alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Funnily enough I seem to remember George Burley taking a similar "let's target the play-offs" stance a few years ago in the Championship, which you continually condemned and mocked Burley for, as did quite a few of fans including me. Sorry but your double standards are hilarious He targeted them from Game 1, FFS, whereas we know we can beat the other teams in playoff positions on the strength of results from THIS season. Its completely different.
Turkish Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Neither. I have never taken the games-in-hand seriously because no team can f**k up like we can, but table position-wise with a bit of luck, it looks like we might fall over the finish line. Sorry, too much history of Saints making tough jobs even more difficult for themselves... The best excuse i have heard so far is that previous form doesnt matter when teams play us and its common for teams to be on a bad run and then suddenly start playing well again. By conicidence Chalrton "suddenly started playing well" in the last ten minutes when we were winning 1-0. Walsall "suddenly started playing well" against us too. So did Tranmere, Yeovil, Nott County. What a coincidence this is!!!
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 The best excuse i have heard so far is that previous form doesnt matter when teams play us and its common for teams to be on a bad run and then suddenly start playing well again. By conicidence Chalrton "suddenly started playing well" in the last ten minutes when we were winning 1-0. Walsall "suddenly started playing well" against us too. So did Tranmere, Yeovil, Nott County. What a coincidence this is!!! Yeah, but its amazing how few of our fans want to see this. Let's face it. Our club and its fans are comfortable with coming "close but no cigar" and blaming a ref decision or something on our misfortune. Last season it was the -10points, despite the fact that the manager deliberately decided to disregard promotion.
PokingFun Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 No by not winning winnable games. We've have several time this season lost games to bottom half sides or like last night not putt the boot into teams on wretched form. We've played very poorly at times this season under three different managers, yes it happens to all teams but those that want promotion make sure it doesn't happen to often. It hasn't happened any more to us than any of the others in the top six, possibly with the exception of Brighton and even they had a min-blip of 5-6 games without a win mid-season. We've won 4 of the last 5 for goodness sake.
Colinjb Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Should we settle for the play-offs when we have games in hand over the teams in 2nd/4th and sit only a couple of points outside of the automatic promotion spots? No, we are still in a fantastic position, it would be a waste to simply 'settle.'
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Yeah, but its amazing how few of our fans want to see this. Let's face it. Our club and its fans are comfortable with coming close but no cigar and blaming a ref decision or something. Not true at all. I want promotion as much as anyone and we will get 2nd, I just don't go over the top when we drop points in games and situations like last night. It wasn't the end of the world in the grand scheme of things. If we don't get 2nd that will be the time to start the moans, not now when it's still ours to lose.
PokingFun Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Neither. I have never taken the games-in-hand seriously because no team can f**k up like we can, but table position-wise with a bit of luck, it looks like we might fall over the finish line. Sorry, too much history of Saints making tough jobs even more difficult for themselves... OK, same scenario as Kingsland presented, but you were say a P'boro or H'field fan, would you feel confident in gaining auto promotion or would you say Saints are favourites to pip you?
Son of Bob Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Alpine - If you want a valid point of view discussed sensibly then don't post such cretinous drivel. Even without the benefit of being posted by a habitual troll your statement is utterly senseless. Mathematically we are favourites for 2nd spot so why the f*king hell would we take our foot off the gas and settle for the lottery of the play-offs???
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 It hasn't happened any more to us than any of the others in the top six, possibly with the exception of Brighton and even they had a min-blip of 5-6 games without a win mid-season. We've won 4 of the last 5 for goodness sake. We've lost 9 and 7 of those 9 loses have come to teams in the bottom half of the table which is poor for a team chasing promotion, the idea we should be happy with that doesn't wash with me. Just saying well everbody else is the same isn't any good if you want promotion you need to be better than those around you. Just like Brighton who have only lost 5 times this season and not once at home.
polegategavin Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 OK, maybe it is a little premature. But that infers that this suggestion isnt all that outrageous, and cricumstances could merit this decision. Let's see what team steps out against MK Dons... I think this could have a positive spin. It now forces Adkins and Cortese to delve into the loan market and sign another midfielder on loan, which in my view they would not have done before the 2 injuries last night, and Adkins would have "made do" with the current squad. We then get Lallana an Oxlade-Chamberlain back fit and we have a better squad capable of securing the automatic spot. Just my opinion.
The9 Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 TBF it would be a nice day out at Wembley but pity you wouldn't be there Alps, eh ?? :) You'll have as much fun at Wembley for the Play-Off Final as I will in south Wales at the wedding I'm attending on that day - the Play Off Final is being held at Old Trafford !
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Alpine - If you want a valid point of view discussed sensibly then don't post such cretinous drivel. Even without the benefit of being posted by a habitual troll your statement is utterly senseless. Mathematically we are favourites for 2nd spot so why the f*king hell would we take our foot off the gas and settle for the lottery of the play-offs??? Are we ? Huddersfield have more points than us. Ahhhhhh - of course. We are certain to win them games in hand 5-0
dronskisaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Why must you be so f**king unpleasant ? You bring out the best in me.... Seriously though - I've tried logic and that didn't work, facts don't appear to alter your perspective....mockery is all I can muster
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Hahhahaha this thread is exactly the reason why I have Alpine on ignore.
Son of Bob Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Are we ? Huddersfield have more points than us. Ahhhhhh - of course. We are certain to win them games in hand 5-0 Well if you had your way we'd lose them 5-0 just so you could slit your wrists a little deeper...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Hahhahaha this thread is exactly the reason why I have Alpine on ignore. Hey everyone, look at meeeee !!! Yes, yes, clever boy knows how to operate the ignore function..
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Well if you had your way we'd lose them 5-0 just so you could slit your wrists a little deeper... Yep, turn to abuse when incapable of discussing the point...
The9 Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Hey everyone, look at meeeee !!! Yes, yes, clever boy knows how to operate the ignore function.. Figured I'd quote it so at least Saint Charlie can see that you're mocking him...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Figured I'd quote it so at least Saint Charlie can see that you're mocking him... Thanks, glad someone did me the favour.
Saint Charlie Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Figured I'd quote it so at least Saint Charlie can see that you're mocking him... Cheers! Sometimes I have to click to view his posts, especially if he starts a thread.
The9 Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Yep, turn to abuse when incapable of discussing the point... That doesn't look like abuse to me ? It looks like a sound analysis of your internet persona. As for debate, dress it up all you like, but the constant searching for a negative spin on everything and the preposterous lack of logic and consistency in your frequently self-contradictory posts is why no-one's bothering to actually argue it with you.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Cheers! Sometimes I have to click to view his posts, especially if he starts a thread. So you are basically a voyeuristic Peeping Tom. Would you oblige again, The9 ?
trousers Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Am I the only one who, somewhat perversely I admit, feels more comfortable with Saints being in the chasing pack than sitting a few points ahead in second place? I would obviously feel even more comfortable being in Brighton's 'clear daylight' position at the top, but with my "knowing Saints" hat on, I'd rather we were chasing 2nd spot than trying to protect it....
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 That doesn't look like abuse to me ? It looks like a sound analysis of your internet persona. As for debate, dress it up all you like, but the constant searching for a negative spin on everything and the preposterous lack of logic and consistency in your frequently self-contradictory posts is why no-one's bothering to actually argue it with you. What do you mean self-contradictory ? My outlook on SFCs chances often swings with my mood caused by a result, but I consider that to be normal behaviour. The people on here saying "we will end up 2nd" after a sh*te game where we have underachieved sound conversely like they are on Prozac or are in therapy. Whatever, it aint particularly honest emotionally. I dont contradict myself on any other aspect of things SFC that I am aware of.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Am I the only one who, somewhat perversely I admit, feels more comfortable with Saints being in the chasing pack than sitting a few points ahead in second place? I would obviously feel even more comfortable being in Brighton's 'clear daylight' position but with my "knowing Saints" hat on, I'd rather we were chasing 2nd spot than trying to protect it.... Exactly. I made the same point earlier. I really dont think you are alone.
Dig Dig Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Yeah, but its amazing how few of our fans want to see this. Let's face it. Our club and its fans are comfortable with coming "close but no cigar" and blaming a ref decision or something on our misfortune. Last season it was the -10points, despite the fact that the manager deliberately decided to disregard promotion. Says the man suggesting we aim for playoffs instead of 2nd.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Says the man suggesting we aim for playoffs instead of 2nd. I would hardly call that "comfortable". Chasing after 2nd with injured players and settling for playoffs both entail a risk.
SFC Chris Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Why settle for the playoffs, that is an utterly rediculous thing to suggest. We have a squad that should hold up enough to take second, and the playoffs are a lottery anyway. Lets be honest, at 1-0 did anyone think that BWP wasn't going to score?!
Dig Dig Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 I would hardly call that "comfortable". Chasing after 2nd with injured players and settling for playoffs both entail a risk. I was pointing out how contradictory it is to say that most fans are comfortable with "coming close but no cigar" on a thread which you started about how because of injuries we shouldn't push too hard for 2nd. Can you not see any irony in that?
CWD Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 I've tried to think of something constructive to post, but honestly I cannot understand why any fan of any team would ever think this was a good idea
The9 Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 What do you mean self-contradictory ? My outlook on SFCs chances often swings with my mood caused by a result, but I consider that to be normal behaviour. The people on here saying "we will end up 2nd" after a sh*te game where we have underachieved sound conversely like they are on Prozac or are in therapy. Whatever, it aint particularly honest emotionally. I dont contradict myself on any other aspect of things SFC that I am aware of. As long as you accept that you contradict yourself depending on your mood, I'll accept that. There's already an example given by someone else on this thread.
Saint_clark Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 OK, maybe it is a little premature. But that infers that this suggestion isnt all that outrageous, and cricumstances could merit this decision. Let's see what team steps out against MK Dons... Are you suggesting that we should rest our best players for the rest of the season then?
Son of Bob Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Yep, turn to abuse when incapable of discussing the point... I am more than articulate enough to discuss the point without turning to abuse. Give me something to debate that isn't utter nonsense and I'll return the favour by entering into a grown up discussion. Until then keep necking the Prozac and keep your chin up.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 I was pointing out how contradictory it is to say that most fans are comfortable with "coming close but no cigar" on a thread which you started about how because of injuries we shouldn't push too hard for 2nd. Can you not see any irony in that? No, not really, since my suggestion was a possible approach for maximising our chances of promotion.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 I am more than articulate enough to discuss the point without turning to abuse. Give me something to debate that isn't utter nonsense and I'll return the favour by entering into a grown up discussion. Until then keep necking the Prozac and keep your chin up. Its nonsense in your opinion. The abuse demonstrates that grown up discussion is beyond you.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Its nonsense in your opinion. The abuse demonstrates that grown up discussion is beyond you. Well it is nonsense. Are you suggesting we should try to lose games? There is no "discussion" to be had, the opening and subsequent posts by you in this thread are beyond words.
Son of Bob Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Its nonsense in your opinion. The abuse demonstrates that grown up discussion is beyond you. I'm really not an abusive person but for some reason you bring this 'monster' out in me. As an Admin I spent a number of years dealing with the fall-out from your often moronic, depressive ramblings on this site (and it's predecessors) so I reserve the right to chuck a small dose of vitriol your way once in a while.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Well it is nonsense. Are you suggesting we should try to lose games? FFS. Where did I say that ? Absolutely f**king mental how things are interpreted on here. I said keep AOC and Lallana away to get them fit for the playoffs. If we still win and get 2nd, fine. If we dont and end up in the playoffs, they are fit and fresh for those 3 games. IT AINT F**KING ROCKET SCIENCE.
suewhistle Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Neither. I have never taken the games-in-hand seriously because no team can f**k up like we can,. ..including in the play-offs, if we end up in that route..
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 (edited) I'm really not an abusive person but for some reason you bring this 'monster' out in me. As an Admin I spent a number of years dealing with the fall-out from your often moronic, depressive ramblings on this site (and it's predecessors) so I reserve the right to chuck a small dose of vitriol your way once in a while. You chose to be a mod. And no doubt you punished me when I broke the site rules. I suggest you accept that was your role and get a grip on yourself now. This site is open for those with differing opinions, not a bunch of clones, so long as the rules are adhered. Edited 23 March, 2011 by alpine_saint
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 ..including in the play-offs, if we end up in that route.. I disagree. We have a reasonably good record this season against the other play-off contenders, though on current form I would hope Posh get 2nd. Therefore I dont see it as a complete lottery.
JackFrost Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 FFS. Where did I say that ? Absolutely f**king mental how things are interpreted on here. I said keep AOC and Lallana away to get them fit for the playoffs. If we still win and get 2nd, fine. If we dont and end up in the playoffs, they are fit and fresh for those 3 games. IT AINT F**KING ROCKET SCIENCE. and if they make good progress and are back up to a decent standard of fitness for the game after next?
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 and if they make good progress and are back up to a decent standard of fitness for the game after next? Unlikely seeing as it is only 3 days after the MK Dons game. So we lose 2 games from them. Starting to get critical.
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Posted 23 March, 2011 Loser talk... But is it ? What was that board game in the early 80s (maybe u are too young) where the TV advert ended with the line "sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war" ?
suewhistle Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 I dont contradict myself on any other aspect of things SFC that I am aware of. I've never thought self-awareness your strongest point though.
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 (edited) FFS. Where did I say that ? Absolutely f**king mental how things are interpreted on here. I said keep AOC and Lallana away to get them fit for the playoffs. If we still win and get 2nd, fine. If we dont and end up in the playoffs, they are fit and fresh for those 3 games. IT AINT F**KING ROCKET SCIENCE. My first clue was that the thread is entitled "Let's settle for the playoffs", which when in a strong position of a mere 2 points behind and 2 games in hand suggests a degree of giving up whilst ahead. Cheer up Alpine (and stop shouting in bold and capitals ). As for ..."Absolutely f**king mental how things are interpreted on here", it is funny that you of all people make that comment. Especially whilst making a thread like this! Edited 23 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God
Son of Bob Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 You chose to be a mod. And no doubt you punished me when I broke the site rules. I suggest you accept that was your role and get a grip on yourself now. This site is open for those with differing opinions, not a bunch of clones, so long as the rules are adhered. OK, will do Alpine. Anything to hush the afflicted.
JackFrost Posted 23 March, 2011 Posted 23 March, 2011 Unlikely seeing as it is only 3 days after the MK Dons game. So we lose 2 games from them. Starting to get critical. No team doesn't play their best players in important games because they 'might' get injured. That makes having better players pointless. Why don't we just play the reserve team in that case? Until Lallana and AOC fully recover from their injuries and are back to a good standard of fitness, leave them out. Should we try and rush them back? no we certainly should not, and NA will have to make the best use of the squad whilst they recover. But as soon as their back up to full fitness and fully recovered let's use what we have at our disposal to push for automatic promotion as we are currently in a better position than our rivals barring Brighton. Besides if we have to go up through the play-offs that means we have to play 3 more games, and that's more opportunities for players to get injured. . .
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