Thoughts from Saints Forum !

[rooney]

I listened to the Forum via this site last night and felt what was said nawx very refreshing . Good to know that Jacksons Farm has no intention of being sold as it does not fit within the Planning boundaries at prsent. Even if it did, the Building Companies have no cash. Also likewise Stapelwood ,where we own part of the complex and lease the the other part.

[Ian the Red]

A standard post by PMD who seems worried that Lowe's decisions will bring success, and undermine his negative attitude. Of course, we're all entitled to our opinions, but if the current side is more mediocre than last year's then Saints will be relegated, as that is the only way to do worse. For every week that we are above 20th place, PMD will be demonstrably wrong.

This could prove a dilemma for the anti-Lowe faction, wanting Saints to succeed and Lowe to fail, when the two things are bound together. Maybe the lifeline will be AC stating at the Forum that the board are still looking for investment, if its on acceptable terms. That is one thing that could get the anti-Lowe faction off the hook, but its not under their control. The better approach would be to bury the hatred and focus on the club as a whole and less on the club management.

 

Excellent point Prof!! Agree totally...... this why I have not be posting for the last 18 or so months too much negativity. We have no choice Lowe is here and will be until someone has the cash to buy him out. If you love Saints get behind them now!!

Edited 8 August, 2008 by Ian the Red

[rpb]

He certainly talks the talk, but will he walk the walk with the most mediocre Saints side in the last 30 years?

 

From what I have seen so far, he has created the most exciting Saints side for many years!

[Larrylove]

Missed it last night any idea when the listen again will be available?

[miserableoldgit]

Missed it last night any idea when the listen again will be available?

Later today apparently.

[derry]

It would help if some of the posters actually saw this young team before coming out with such tripe based on last year.

 

It is easily the best team we have had since the Premier and a pleasure to watch. Schneiderlin is the best midfield passer of the ball we have had since Alan Ball.

[Wes Tender]

It would help if some of the posters actually saw this young team before coming out with such tripe based on last year.

 

It is easily the best team we have had since the Premier and a pleasure to watch. Schneiderlin is the best midfield passer of the ball we have had since Alan Ball.

 

So Matt Le Tissier was a really crap passer of the ball and not as good as Schneiderlin? But you don't even need to look to players even as illustrious a footballer as MLT. Both Belmadi and Idiakez were skilled passers of the ball, as was Berkovic a few years back to name a few names that spring to mind.

 

I think that until we have actually played some games against other teams in this division, some people need to get a reality check.

[pedg]

I think that until we have actually played some games against other teams in this division, some people need to get a reality check.

 

Which should be applied to those posters who are overly negative as well I assume?

[alpine_saint]

Which should be applied to those posters who are overly negative as well I assume?

 

Why is expressing major disappointment at our best players being transfer listed and expressing concern over the ability of the youngsters to deal with the rigours of a season of CCC footbal regarded as "overly negative" ? These two points appear to be realistic issues to me.

[hypochondriac]

Why is expressing major disappointment at our best players being transfer listed and expressing concern over the ability of the youngsters to deal with the rigours of a season of CCC footbal regarded as "overly negative" ? These two points appear to be realistic issues to me.

 

A lot of posters are overly negative. I don't think this comment was aimed specifically at you (I could be wrong!)

[John B]

Why is expressing major disappointment at our best players being transfer listed and expressing concern over the ability of the youngsters to deal with the rigours of a season of CCC footbal regarded as "overly negative" ? These two points appear to be realistic issues to me.

 

 

I dont think you understand the direction the club is going in but you may do and disagree with it.

 

The main problem at SFC is of course finance which everybody knows about.

 

So the strategy appears to be to get rid of overpaid and under achieving players are replace them with keen and talented youngsters on lower salaries.

 

The Benefits of this Stategy

 

1 Lowers the risk of Administration

 

2 Keeps the Bank happy

 

3 Gives the fans a better type of football

 

4 Develops Players who may wish to be sold off thus enabling the financial situation to improve.

 

5 Develops a team which may be able to push for promotion in 2 to 5 years and stay in the Premiership.

 

 

Disadvantages

 

1 The team may not perform and will be relegated.

 

2 The team may not perform to the fan's satisfaction with lower gates and less income.

 

I feel that the advantages are real provided SFC pick up 6 or 7 points per month and stay in the Championship this season but of course we will have to wait and see.

Edited 8 August, 2008 by John B

[Wes Tender]

Which should be applied to those posters who are overly negative as well I assume?

 

Is caution or realism negativity? I don't think so. Look it up in a dictionary if you don't agree.

[John B]

Is caution or realism negativity? I don't think so. Look it up in a dictionary if you don't agree.

 

Yes yuo are correct Realism is not negative.

 

I feel I am a Realist and I think the Current long term Stategy is the only Realistic chance we will ever have of returning to the Premiership without tens of millions being invested.

 

I think we will have to be patient it is going to take sometime until we are a force to be reckoned with again

Edited 8 August, 2008 by John B

[alpine_saint]

I dont think you understand the direction the club is going in but you may do and disagree with it.

 

The main problem at SFC is of course finance which everybody knows about.

 

So the strategy appears to be to get rid of overpaid and under achieving players are replace them with keen and talented youngsters on lower salaries.

 

The Benefits of this Stategy

 

1 Lowers the risk of Administration

 

2 Keeps the Bank happy

 

3 Gives the fans a better type of football

 

4 Develops Players who may wish to be sold off thus enabling the financial situation to improve.

 

5 Develops a team which may be able to push for promotion in 2 to 5 years and stay in the Premiership.

 

 

Disadvantages

 

1 The team may not perform and will be relegated.

 

2 The team may not perform to the fan's satisfaction with lower gates and less income.

 

I feel that the advantages are real provided SFC pick up 6 or 7 points per month and stay in the Championship this season but of course we will have to wait and see.

 

A good post - thanks for taking the time.

 

Couple of issues with it. Point 1 & 2 are the same for me. Point 3 is for me is not critical, and point 4 is a major irritation and for me not the right approach to a long-term strategy.

 

I also dont understand why a manager cannot earn his money and re-motivate one or two of these players into performing. I reckon we could afford to keep a couple of the 7 if we were certain of their contribution, and I think they would make a difference. I reckon we are light up front, and I dont like the look of the midfield, though I will conceed that I havent seen them play.

[70's Mike]

I dont think you understand the direction the club is going in but you may do and disagree with it.

 

The main problem at SFC is of course finance which everybody knows about.

 

So the strategy appears to be to get rid of overpaid and under achieving players are replace them with keen and talented youngsters on lower salaries.

 

The Benefits of this Stategy

 

1 Lowers the risk of Administration

 

2 Keeps the Bank happy

 

3 Gives the fans a better type of football

 

4 Develops Players who may wish to be sold off thus enabling the financial situation to improve.

 

5 Develops a team which may be able to push for promotion in 2 to 5 years and stay in the Premiership.

 

 

Disadvantages

 

1 The team may not perform and will be relegated.

 

2 The team may not perform to the fan's satisfaction with lower gates and less income.

 

I feel that the advantages are real provided SFC pick up 6 or 7 points per month and stay in the Championship this season but of course we will have to wait and see.

 

Surely 4 and 5 are in conflict , and where is the ambition.

 

The club suffered through the 50's and early 60's because the board were happy with our lot, Ted changed that way of thinking.

[John B]

Surely 4 and 5 are in conflict , and where is the ambition.

 

The club suffered through the 50's and early 60's because the board were happy with our lot, Ted changed that way of thinking.

 

Unfortunately you are correct about 4 and 5 but in the real world top class players of international standard will want to play European Football .

 

How many of the current regular England team play for Bolton Blackburn West Ham etc

[John B]

A good post - thanks for taking the time.

 

Couple of issues with it. Point 1 & 2 are the same for me. Point 3 is for me is not critical, and point 4 is a major irritation and for me not the right approach to a long-term strategy.

 

I also dont understand why a manager cannot earn his money and re-motivate one or two of these players into performing. I reckon we could afford to keep a couple of the 7 if we were certain of their contribution, and I think they would make a difference. I reckon we are light up front, and I dont like the look of the midfield, though I will conceed that I havent seen them play.

 

I originally had 1 and 2 combined but I thought they were slightly different in that if we are keeping to the Stategy the bank may in fact give another loan if we are doing well at Xmas for new players.

 

I think you are wrong about Point 4 Players like Davis Rasiak Saga Safri Euell etc are not good enough for the Premiership and will be in all likelihood off after there contract ends.

 

Where as the younger ones may well develop into Premiership players given the chance.

 

By the way I find most of the threads have very similar content this one could easily be the Saga one

Edited 8 August, 2008 by John B

[pedg]

I think a good analogy for the plan is to think of it being like a managed forest. Yes you need to have the tree's to have your forest but if you don't fell and sell trees on a regular basis you have no income. Its all about getting the balance right between the two. With Saints it appears unlikely they we will be able to balance the books, and thus stay in existence, without regular player sales. In an ideal world we would not have to do this but this is not an ideal world and people need to understand that.

Edited 8 August, 2008 by pedg
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[70's Mike]

I think a good analogy for the plan is to think of it being like a managed forest. Yes you need to have the tree's to have your forest but if you don't fell and sell trees on a regular basis you have no income. Its all about getting the balance right between the two. With Saints it appears unlikely they we will be able to balance the books, and thus stay in existence, without regular player sales. In an ideal world we would not have to do this but this is not an ideal world and people need to understand that.

 

totally agree i just think people believe that rupert will sell , whether it is necessary or not, and pay a dividend on the proceeds once the books are balanced.

[pedg]

totally agree i just think people believe that rupert will sell ' date=' whether it is necessary or not, and pay a dividend on the proceeds once the books are balanced.[/quote']

 

A situation that is, in most likelihood, so far in the future as to be total speculation. My opinion is that we will probably not turn a profit that would lead to dividends while we are in this league. Maybe in the end we will know which is right but I don't see the point about complaining about something Lowe might do at some point in the relatively distance future.

[John B]

totally agree i just think people believe that rupert will sell ' date=' whether it is necessary or not, and pay a dividend on the proceeds once the books are balanced.[/quote']

 

Who has he actually sold apart from Richards Walcott and Bridge

[NickG]

Ferguson is stuggling to hang onto Ronaldo, O'Neill -Barry, its the way of the world players move on.

[derry]

So Matt Le Tissier was a really crap passer of the ball and not as good as Schneiderlin? But you don't even need to look to players even as illustrious a footballer as MLT. Both Belmadi and Idiakez were skilled passers of the ball, as was Berkovic a few years back to name a few names that spring to mind.

 

I think that until we have actually played some games against other teams in this division, some people need to get a reality check.

 

MLT wasn't a playmaker more a free role striker. Berkovich was a decent player, this lad looks like a real find and can head, tackle and link up the play.

 

Belmadi and Idiakez played in teams with no pace, movement or dynamism, I thought neither were as influential as they should have been, apart from long periods injured.

 

Results are not everything. I want to watch decent football not the crap served up in recent years by the so called experienced and may I say, slow, disappointing, overpaid, underperforming, unmotivated, unfit and disinterested players.

 

Why wouldn't I and others be optimistic we are getting rid of the players who let us down.

[Mr X]

TSF was good but SWF is better IMO

[Wes Tender]

MLT wasn't a playmaker more a free role striker. Berkovich was a decent player, this lad looks like a real find and can head, tackle and link up the play.

 

Belmadi and Idiakez played in teams with no pace, movement or dynamism, I thought neither were as influential as they should have been, apart from long periods injured.

 

Results are not everything. I want to watch decent football not the crap served up in recent years by the so called experienced and may I say, slow, disappointing, overpaid, underperforming, unmotivated, unfit and disinterested players.

 

Why wouldn't I and others be optimistic we are getting rid of the players who let us down.

 

I invite anybody else who has seen MLT play over many years to debate whether he was a great playmaker or not. I'm amazed that I seem to be the only one challenging this assertion from Derry that Schneiderlin is the best playmaker we have seen at the club since Ball.

 

The number of assists that MLT had credited to him over many seasons was testament enough to his prowess as a playmaker. In sharp contrast, you seem to have gone orgasmic about this Schneiderlin fella based on half a dozen friendlies, half of which were against lower league sides. How do you know that he hasn't shone because the rival midfield hasn't closed him down and denied him space? Until we have seen him play regularly against the other teams in this division, it is foolish to credit him with this over the top praise.

 

Just a simple question that I'd be interested to hear your opinion about. If players are slow, disappointing, overpaid, under-performing, unmotivated, unfit and disinterested, then is that their fault, or the fault of the manager?

[St_Tel49]

Don't worry - you're not. Of course we all want the fairytale to come true, but the signs are there that this will be a rough season and if we get hit with injuries we will find ourselves in the same mess as the last Prem season, except this time we'll face L1 and administration. Make no mistake - this is still a massive gamble.

 

Any decision made in a situation where you have no money to chuck about is a gamble. Gambles can be wild or calculated. In my opinion this is calculated. Of course we don't know the outcome but I am quietly confident. You arent - that is your prerogative.

[St_Tel49]

He certainly talks the talk, but will he walk the walk with the most mediocre Saints side in the last 30 years?

 

On what basis are you describing the team as mediocre? Results? We have not had any yet but you still take it upon yourself to describe the team as mediocre. I get a bit ****ed off with people passing opinion based on the square root of **** all.

[Totton Red]

On what basis are you describing the team as mediocre? Results? We have not had any yet but you still take it upon yourself to describe the team as mediocre. I get a bit ****ed off with people passing opinion based on the square root of **** all.

 

Like the mathematical reference....probability?

[St_Tel49]

Like the mathematical reference....probability?

If he had said "Might be Mediocre" I could not have argued because until we have a few results under our belts we do not really know. But to describe them as mediocre without any competitive results to base his opinion on is just stupid. As I said in my previous post I am quietly confident based on what I have seen so far. But the real test starts tomorrow.

[Totton Red]

If he had said "Might be Mediocre" I could not have argued because until we have a few results under our belts we do not really know. But to describe them as mediocre without any competitive results to base his opinion on is just stupid. As I said in my previous post I am quietly confident based on what I have seen so far. But the real test starts tomorrow.

 

Lets hope that the season is not judged on one game!

Edited 9 August, 2008 by Totton Red

[St_Tel49]

Lets hope that the season is not judged on one game!

 

Amen to that

[70's Mike]

I invite anybody else who has seen MLT play over many years to debate whether he was a great playmaker or not. I'm amazed that I seem to be the only one challenging this assertion from Derry that Schneiderlin is the best playmaker we have seen at the club since Ball.

 

The number of assists that MLT had credited to him over many seasons was testament enough to his prowess as a playmaker. In sharp contrast, you seem to have gone orgasmic about this Schneiderlin fella based on half a dozen friendlies, half of which were against lower league sides. How do you know that he hasn't shone because the rival midfield hasn't closed him down and denied him space? Until we have seen him play regularly against the other teams in this division, it is foolish to credit him with this over the top praise.

 

Just a simple question that I'd be interested to hear your opinion about. If players are slow, disappointing, overpaid, under-performing, unmotivated, unfit and disinterested, then is that their fault, or the fault of the manager?

 

Wes,

the original post is just another example of people trying to re write history to justify todays events. never thought i would read a criticsm of MLT.

[Wes Tender]

Wes,

the original post is just another example of people trying to re write history to justify todays events. never thought i would read a criticsm of MLT.

Me neither, Mike. I hope that Schneiderlin is a revelation, but worry that if he is, he will soon be of to Arsenal if rumours are correct and we will be back to square one again. But saying that he is better as a playmaker than anybody in the Southampton midfield since Alan Ball just shows how some are prepared to make broad sweeping statements in support of their claims without foundation of deeper thought. Matty was the obvious glaring example that knocks the statement for six, but apart from the others I mentioned, further thought has produced another couple of glaring omissions. Jimmy Case and David Armstrong would surely have qualified. I'm sure that there are many more.

 

Less of the hyperbole I think, until there is more evidence to back it up.

[JustMike]

Fairly predictable IMO but highlights so far :

Rudi, Davis, Rasiak & Saga for sale as they are high earners! No mention of John or Euell !

Full backs position, no problem as James and Surman are proper footballers and will start the attacks!

Cowan reckons that he didn't know what the previous directors earned (pinch of salt !) but that we get good value from the present lot! He works 3 days per week !

Otherwise Killer welcomed back, confidence critical and fairly optimistic all round !

 

 

I know i have harped on and on about this on previous threads but come on, am i the only one that is worried by this?? Surman is not a LB and we havent seen enough of the other lad to know, but what if one or both gets injured?? We need another RB and LB imo

[John B]

I invite anybody else who has seen MLT play over many years to debate whether he was a great playmaker or not. I'm amazed that I seem to be the only one challenging this assertion from Derry that Schneiderlin is the best playmaker we have seen at the club since Ball.

 

The number of assists that MLT had credited to him over many seasons was testament enough to his prowess as a playmaker. In sharp contrast, you seem to have gone orgasmic about this Schneiderlin fella based on half a dozen friendlies, half of which were against lower league sides. How do you know that he hasn't shone because the rival midfield hasn't closed him down and denied him space? Until we have seen him play regularly against the other teams in this division, it is foolish to credit him with this over the top praise.

 

Just a simple question that I'd be interested to hear your opinion about. If players are slow, disappointing, overpaid, under-performing, unmotivated, unfit and disinterested, then is that their fault, or the fault of the manager?

 

MLT was not a playmaker IMO he did not sit in Midfield and spray passes about

 

Terry Paine like MLT was not a play maker in his prime but assisted in hundreds of goals

Jimmy Melia Jim Mcalliog Alan Ball Jimmy Case were

Edited 9 August, 2008 by John B

[John B]

I know i have harped on and on about this on previous threads but come on, am i the only one that is worried by this?? Surman is not a LB and we havent seen enough of the other lad to know, but what if one or both gets injured?? We need another RB and LB imo

 

I should leave the worrying to Jan he is the judge of what players are required in his team.

 

Of course you are right Luke Young and Wayne Bridge would be better but we are not in the position at the moment to recruit players

[JustMike]

MLT was not a playmaker IMO he did not sit in Midfield and spray passes about

 

Terry Paine like MLT was not a play maker in his prime but assisted in hundreds of goals

Jimmy Melia Jim Mcalliog Alan Ball Jimmy Case were

 

jimmy case was more of a tough tackling CM than a playmaker (but yes he could do both)

[JustMike]

I should leave the worrying to Jan he is the judge of what players are required in his team.

 

Of course you are right Luke Young and Wayne Bridge would be better but we are not in the position at the moment to recruit players

 

 

Yes maybe he does, time will tell i guess. BUT i am worried and will continue to be until either they prove me wrong or we strengthen, i wasnt talking about spending £££'s on players, there are other options such as loans etc.

 

Still not answered the question....what if one or both get injured, who will play then, the cleaners?

[Wes Tender]

MLT was not a playmaker IMO he did not sit in Midfield and spray passes about

 

Terry Paine like MLT was not a play maker in his prime but assisted in hundreds of goals

Jimmy Melia Jim Mcalliog Alan Ball Jimmy Case were

 

Ah! So assists aren't playmaking? Am assist is a pass to another player who scores from it. In other words, the most deadly and effective pass of all. MLT sprayed passes around from midfield any time when that was the best option. I personally have never witnessed any other player at this club who did that quite so well. I think that his goalscoring prowess tends to have him labelled as a roaming striker, but his assists and passing were also way above the abilities of most players in the game.

 

An interesting question to Derry that ought to put things into perspective. If he could have Schneiderlin or MLT both at 18, which would he choose to play in midfield? I suspect that most on here would say it was a no brainer.

[John B]

Ah! So assists aren't playmaking? Am assist is a pass to another player who scores from it. In other words, the most deadly and effective pass of all. MLT sprayed passes around from midfield any time when that was the best option. I personally have never witnessed any other player at this club who did that quite so well. I think that his goalscoring prowess tends to have him labelled as a roaming striker, but his assists and passing were also way above the abilities of most players in the game.

 

An interesting question to Derry that ought to put things into perspective. If he could have Schneiderlin or MLT both at 18, which would he choose to play in midfield? I suspect that most on here would say it was a no brainer.

 

MLT was a of course a great player I saw MLT in 1986 score two goals against Man Utd at the Dell Big Ron's last game but he did not appear to be a player to me from what I have seen Morgan does.

 

But I do not think he was a midfielder in fact it was very difficult to categorise him probably why he did not play much for England as SFC built their team around him.

 

But to me a playmaker is someone who sits in midfield and spreads the ball about MLT did not do that

Edited 9 August, 2008 by John B

[NickG]

can see both sides and think both should not get stressed!

 

MLT was a legend (better use of the term than on another thread running).

 

Created and scored hundreds of goals but I do see what some are saying in that he is not the type of player who springs to mind as a playmaker. He was a one of a kind.

 

I see a playmaker in more of a traditional static role, relying on a quick turn and pass to create an opening. MLT was so much more.

[John B]

Yes maybe he does, time will tell i guess. BUT i am worried and will continue to be until either they prove me wrong or we strengthen, i wasnt talking about spending £££'s on players, there are other options such as loans etc.

 

Still not answered the question....what if one or both get injured, who will play then, the cleaners?

 

I am not Jan P so I do not know his thoughts but obviously he knows the situation and will have planned for contingecies.

 

Mills maybe on the left must be better than Jermaine Wright Jake Thomson on the right

 

Maybe younger players will not have so many injuries

[John B]

can see both sides and think both should not get stressed!

 

MLT was a legend (better use of the term than on another thread running).

 

Created and scored hundreds of goals but I do see what some are saying in that he is not the type of player who springs to mind as a playmaker. He was a one of a kind.

 

I see a playmaker in more of a traditional static role, relying on a quick turn and pass to create an opening. MLT was so much more.

 

 

Yes that it was I am trying to say.

 

But it is important to have a really good playmaker something we have not had for a long time.

[Foxy]

can see both sides and think both should not get stressed!

 

MLT was a legend (better use of the term than on another thread running).

 

Created and scored hundreds of goals but I do see what some are saying in that he is not the type of player who springs to mind as a playmaker. He was a one of a kind.

 

I see a playmaker in more of a traditional static role, relying on a quick turn and pass to create an opening. MLT was so much more.

 

I'd sort of agree with this. I would define a playmaker as a focal point of a team, setting the pace of the play. Usually such a player would be someone who sits quite deep and provides the link between defence and midfield and/or midfield and attack. For all his merits this wasn't what MTL did. In contemporary football I'd give examples like Deco in his Barca role, or in our division Harper at Reading. I guess another analogy would be to look at the ghastly American-type of football, a playmaker in our game is a bit like the quarterback in that he's the guy who instigates play the majority of the time

[dubai_phil]

MLT was a matchwinner.

 

Hoddle/Alan Ball were playmakers

 

Stuff all good having a playmaker in a team if he has nobody around to play with, but the matchwinner can make something out of nothing and get the ball into the net. MLT was without equal in that regard.

As for the assists argument, a lot of them came from corners - which he had a special skill for.

 

Maybe Spiderman will be a world class playmaker. But unless there is a matchwinner in this team to use the work that is done, then we are going to waste the talent. Any team needs a balance between the two skills, we never really had that in the later PL years.

 

Maybe this year it will be DMG, maybe we will keep one of SJ or GR who will do it, maybe Lallana will be that man.

 

If anyone out there DOES know the answer, can you PM me tonight's winnng lottery numbers, spent too much on a big night out last night so your foresight would be helpful. Thx

[JustMike]

I am not Jan P so I do not know his thoughts but obviously he knows the situation and will have planned for contingecies.

 

Mills maybe on the left must be better than Jermaine Wright Jake Thomson on the right

 

Maybe younger players will not have so many injuries

 

mmm cleaners it is then...or maybe a raffle

 

One too many maybe's in there i fear.

 

The fact remains that once a couple of injuries occur, which is bound to happen over the course of the season we are very very light. Yes money is tight etc etc blah blah but why do we JUST have to depend on kids?

[JustMike]

MLT was a of course a great player I saw MLT in 1986 score two goals against Man Utd at the Dell Big Ron's last game but he did not appear to be a player to me from what I have seen Morgan does.

 

But I do not think he was a midfielder in fact it was very difficult to categorise him probably why he did not play much for England as SFC built their team around him.

 

But to me a playmaker is someone who sits in midfield and spreads the ball about MLT did not do that

 

yes he did, under bally not only did he score a shed load but created a few more besides

[Wes Tender]

Derry made the assertion that Schneiderlin was the best playmaker that the club had had since Alan Ball. Since then, there have been several names put into the hat that fulfilled that role for the club and I personally await his response to my question that if he could chose between Schneirderlin now or Le Tiss at the same age, which one would he have? I've nothing against Schneiderlin and hope that he develops into a really good player, but I just thought that the gushing was a bit premature. What happened to him today? He was substituted, but most thought that he had been effective. Replacing him with Wotton? What was that all about? Was he carrying an injury?

[puff the magic dragon]

From what I have seen so far, he has created the most exciting Saints side for many years!

 

I give up.