Goalie66 Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I having serious doubts about Chaplow.He gets lost in too many games and his passing yesterday was very poor. His strength is running into spaces created by others. His weakness is lack of vision and the inability to get the ball accurately out wide. Hammond is having to perform both creator and holding midfielder. Do you agree?
Tony F Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I agree that yesterday he had a "below par" game. But in the first half he was being asked to play a new system by NA, as the tip of a Saints midfield diamond. You'll probably think again when you see him on a better day.
Saint Charlie Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Agree, he doesn't touch the ball much for a central midfielder and isn't too good at winning it back. He does offer a goal threat but is better suited to a 3 man central midfield than in a 4-4-2.
beatlesaint Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Well unless NA goes out and gets a decent central midfielder in on loan before Thursday instead of just a covering player who can sit on the bench then Chaplow out of form or not is the best we are going to get along with Hammond who can also slip in and out of form fairly regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if Chaplow isnt carrying a slight injury, he doesn't seem as quick as he was a few weeks ago.
Dellman Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 it seems to me he follows the ball, up and down, up and down and gets a kick occasionally. I used to be like that!
positivepete Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 He made some great runs yesterday and got into some really good positions, but hardly received a pass in the first half. I thought Chaplow took more control of the game when their number 4 went off, presumably injured. That was one of the turning points in the game.
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Chaplow has been effing crap for the past five or six games but yesterday he excelled himself by just being a spectator for most of the match as the ball sailed past him back and forth. In fact since we signed the bugger full time he's only had about one decent game. He just seems incompetent, unable to work out what his role is but for sure he's no creative midfielder and certainly can't hold the ball up and distrbute it - so what is he there for? Time for the transfer list? But what can we do? Morgan is out and that stupid plonker Gobern has got himself suspended; yesterday we didn't have a midfielder on the bench and N'Guessan is so effing useless that even Adkins won't risk him, preferring Seaborne as a replacement for LexOC and moving Dan forward - desperate times indeed, that's how bad things are. I hate to think what if Adam gets injured, we'd be effed and with 11 games to go all bets are off that he'll stay fit for all 11! Obviously Chaplow soon gets found out by clubs who quickly move him on and Adders needs to get a bit more streetwise and realise that if nobody else has been able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear then he'd better be a darned sight more knowing about who you bring into the building on loan.
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 what was more concerning was his apparently inability to make a challenge without it inevitably leading to a free kick within 25 yards of our box. He looked ok bursting forward into space and arriving late into the box but he's certainly not a complete player... but then what do we expect at this level? He is obviously capable of playing to a high standard as his performance against Manure (1st half) proves, maybe it's the inconsistency that has stopped him playing higher.
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Chaplow is a decent player but not in the role he has with us. He's an offensive midfielder and we already have shedloads of those. I just suppose that we brought him here to play in a 4-2-3-1 sort of system and have since abandoned that,mainly because our strike force had a long period of not striking.
benjii Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 He's not the most gifted on the ball but he does add the movement and dynamism that Hammond and Schneiderlin do not naturally exhibit. If he was playing for the opposition you would hate him. He's a player the squad completely lacked but now, as usual, some will criticise him for not being a different type if player. Is he top Championship standard? No. Is he exactly what we needed to add to our squad? Yes. Hammond is our best central midfielder and Chaplow probably complements him more than Morgan.
Gemmel Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Chaplow was poor yesterday and unfortuneately the poor performances are outweighing the good ones, by some margin now. I tend to agree with Derry that it is perhaps the system that doesnt suit his style of play, but we cannot keep leaving a big gapping hole in the centre mid.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Chaplow is Nigels only good signing............. oh
rshephard3 Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Most of these posts echo what my mates and i were saying at the game yesterday, he needs to pull his finger out. Clearly a decent enough player but hammond has to do too much of chaplows work imo. Can see how he was failing to get into prestons team. Probably as much to do with his play as with the bust up with management. Just on this topic how much of a consistently superb performer is dean hammond?! His workrate is 2nd to none of pretty much any player you'll ever see and his general decision making is fantastic.
saintmatt Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I having serious doubts about Chaplow.He gets lost in too many games and his passing yesterday was very poor. His strength is running into spaces created by others. His weakness is lack of vision and the inability to get the ball accurately out wide. Hammond is having to perform both creator and holding midfielder. Do you agree? He's been worryingly anonymous for a few games now. Dean Hammond, on the other hand, has been outstanding (as usual). Comfortably our most underrated player, couldn't believe it when I saw a long thread slating him a while back. He covers so much ground, has desire etc. but people rarely notice how good his vision/long ball play is as well
Avenue Saint Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Hammond is a grafter I give u that and has improved last few games but the need for players like him recede with the better quality of players you come up against. Chaplow plays much better alongside Morgan. Those two ate the pick without doubt
Avenue Saint Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Hammond is a grafter I give u that and has improved last few games but the need for players like him recede with the better quality of players you come up against. Chaplow plays much better alongside Morgan. Those two ate the pick without doubt *are the pick
up and away Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 When you are playing with two attacking wingers as we are, we are basically left with a two man midfield. I don't care who comes in, it's going to be a big ask for two to hold back the opposition unless the wingers are exerting the pressure to make things easier for them. The Brentford game at home epitomises this for me, they doubled up on the wingers, then the physical attributes challenged our midfield and we just could not contain them. They were nothing special, but the way they applied themselves with their physical talent, just split us wide open. This is a weakness in the way we set up and will always be an issue when the team is not on top form. When we rip into teams it's a different story, with everyone having to do less and more openings than you can poke a stick at. When it's not on top form, all of a sudden it's a lot more work with only 2 in midfield to get the job done.
benjii Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Hammond is a grafter I give u that and has improved last few games but the need for players like him recede with the better quality of players you come up against. Chaplow plays much better alongside Morgan. Those two ate the pick without doubt Completely wrong.
Rebel Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Hammond had a good game yesterday - but in the previous two home games he was terrible. He is not a great passer of the ball and his first touch is often terrible. He's not the best tackler either. Saying that Chaplow hasn't had a great game lately either.
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Hammond had a good game yesterday - but in the previous two home games he was terrible. He is not a great passer of the ball and his first touch is often terrible. He's not the best tackler either. Saying that Chaplow hasn't had a great game lately either. I agree. I'm not impressed with our midfield at the moment. We're getting results but it's the midfield that looks most exposed and least comfortable.
KK the 2nd Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Thought he was unusually poor yesterday and central midfield is lacking at the moment. We are missing Morgan.
Thedelldays Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I agree. I'm not impressed with our midfield at the moment. We're getting results but it's the midfield that looks most exposed and least comfortable. yet we have only let in 3 goals in the last 8
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 yet we have only let in 3 goals in the last 8 Our defence is fine! The midfield looks disjointed I think because Chaplow and Hammond are too similar. It looked far better against Swindon when Morgan came on.
Thedelldays Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Our defence is fine! The midfield looks disjointed I think because Chaplow and Hammond are too similar. It looked far better against Swindon when Morgan came on. also, our CMers have scored more goals already than they did the whole of last season, league and cup....
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 also, our CMers have scored more goals already than they did the whole of last season, league and cup.... I think that's because we play a different way now. Last season the aim was to give it to Lambert!!
Stubby Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 He made some great runs yesterday and got into some really good positions, but hardly received a pass in the first half. I thought Chaplow took more control of the game when their number 4 went off, presumably injured. That was one of the turning points in the game. This.
Thedelldays Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I think that's because we play a different way now. Last season the aim was to give it to Lambert!! i think people expect too much, we are league 1......we have league 1 players in the team, our CMers are probably better than at least 22 teams CMers in league 1...they have scored more goals already than the whole of last season..they help us to have an unbelievably tight defence.... sometimes it is not pretty and they have off days...but it works
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 i think people expect too much, we are league 1......we have league 1 players in the team, our CMers are probably better than at least 22 teams CMers in league 1...they have scored more goals already than the whole of last season..they help us to have an unbelievably tight defence.... sometimes it is not pretty and they have off days...but it works True, it's working but only just. When we come up against a good side, we'll need to raise our game. But then I'm sure we will. You could see how exposed we were against Peterborough. The lack of mobility allowed them to have far too much of the ball and we did the same last night. The difference last night was that Wednesday couldn't use the ball and couldn't finish a ham sandwich. All the time we get results I'm not complaining but if you were looking to improve the side (which we should always do) then it's CM that you would look, in my view, that's all.
Thedelldays Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 True, it's working but only just. When we come up against a good side, we'll need to raise our game. But then I'm sure we will. You could see how exposed we were against Peterborough. The lack of mobility allowed them to have far too much of the ball and we did the same last night. The difference last night was that Wednesday couldn't use the ball and couldn't finish a ham sandwich. All the time we get results I'm not complaining but if you were looking to improve the side (which we should always do) then it's CM that you would look, in my view, that's all. against the posh...we beat them and then drew....not bad considering...we went to 2nd place and won.....beat blackpool 2-0 gave man u a very good game.... cant say "only just"...that is very harsh.....
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 against the posh...we beat them and then drew....not bad considering...we went to 2nd place and won.....beat blackpool 2-0 gave man u a very good game.... cant say "only just"...that is very harsh..... Like I said, I won't complain while we get results, but you yourself called the first half dog shyte... But you do't want ideas to improve it??
Thedelldays Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Like I said, I won't complain while we get results, but you yourself called the first half dog shyte... But you do't want ideas to improve it?? it was dog shyt, but not a great deal is going to change in the next 6 weeks or so we have left.....I also accept that the dog shytyness has a great deal to do with being in league 1 and having many league 1 players.....sadly
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I thought he was poor at Bournemouth as well.
shurlock Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Apart from Colchester away, has been poor recently.
benjii Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Our defence is fine! The midfield looks disjointed I think because Chaplow and Hammond are too similar. It looked far better against Swindon when Morgan came on. No. It looked better becaause Swindon capitulated having gifted us two goals.
benjii Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 The first half was not dog shyte at all. We were in complete control. We had chosen to play a very narrow system. In hindsight, this didn't work as we struggled to play the final ball. Adkins saw that and changed it and we won easily. Solid professional performance. If you watched Man U or Chelsea win a home league game like that you would be impressed with how clinical and what a machine they are.
Tom28 Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 I still quite like Chaplow. I agree his direct contribution to games over the last 4 or 5 has dropped off but what he does is make good forward runs and take players with him. It allows Hammond more space and that's why everything suddenly thinks Hammond is playing so well. I personally think Chaplow with one of Schneiderlin and Hammond would be the ideal pairing because we get the most productivity from either of those pairings than we do Schneiderlin and Hammond playing together.
Tom28 Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 'everyone' not 'everything'. Damn iPhone predictive text.
georgeweahscousin Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 The best partnership we have is clearly Chaplow and Schneiderlin. When it is Chaplow and Hammond we lack a bit of quality for me, and no Morgan restricts Chaplow in other areas.
Mowgli Posted 20 March, 2011 Posted 20 March, 2011 Frankly Chaplow summed up Saints yesterday. Rarely got out of first gear but had a much better second half. Whoever pointed out that he rarely gets the ball was spot on but he does make some intelligent runs creating space for others. For me his strength is breaking up play but he backed off yesterday - probably because of his yellow card count - and only won 20% of his tackles. But he did intercept quite a few passes and completed all bar two of his own two dozen passes which is not bad. In truth he rarely loses the ball and covers a great deal of the pitch in a game. All in all worth his place.
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