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Thedelldays

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See spending.

 

that means nothing...there are so many variables...wages, level of capability per unit of hardware the fact we were fighting in Iraq and for the last 10 years, afghan....

Window Cleaner

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What did I say in the first place...em should have nuked the bastards when we had a chance...no change of opinion then.

Perhaps we could just winch up a few overheating fuel rods from Fukushima and dump them on Tripoli , two birds with one stone.

Thedelldays

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The West doing Israels dirty work again..................

 

probably better for all concerned than isreal upsetting everyone and doing it themselves...imagine the mess we would be in then....

mack rill

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probably better for all concerned than isreal upsetting everyone and doing it themselves...imagine the mess we would be in then....

 

Whats the betting the Israelis would do a proper job TDD,

manji

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probably better for all concerned than isreal upsetting everyone and doing it themselves...imagine the mess we would be in then....

 

So we do it and risk more anger in the Arab world ? Forget the Oil smokescreen it about removing another potential threat to Israel.

Thedelldays

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So we do it and risk more anger in the Arab world ? Forget the Oil smokescreen it about removing another potential threat to Israel.

 

the arab world..?

the arab league are onside and want to contribute...!!

Saintandy666

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that means nothing...there are so many variables...wages, level of capability per unit of hardware the fact we were fighting in Iraq and for the last 10 years, afghan....

 

Ok, but we still have lots of resources.

Saintandy666

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but you said we have alot...we dont..that is a fact

 

I never said we had a lot. I said we have a lot of spending. Numbers in the army is not the be all and end all, the larger picture matters too.

manji

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the arab world..?

the arab league are onside and want to contribute...!!

 

Arab League = Despotic led countries unpopular with thier people.

Thedelldays

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I never said we had a lot. I said we have a lot of spending. Numbers in the army is not the be all and end all, the larger picture matters too.

 

I know, have been in amongst it for 12 years...we spend big because for the best part of 10 years, we were fighting in 2 conflicts...

aintforever

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****ing stupid getting involved in another war, doing it when we are skint is mind-numbingly dumb.

 

What is it about the British psyche that makes us think that something happening a thousand miles away is our problem to sort out?

Sheaf Saint

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****ing stupid getting involved in another war, doing it when we are skint is mind-numbingly dumb.

 

What is it about the British psyche that makes us think that something happening a thousand miles away is our problem to sort out?

 

If this is truly a humanitarian mission with the sole aim of preventing a lunatic dictator from committing genocide against his own people then I think that the UN has a responsibility to carry it out in the name of protecting innocent civilians. This is one of the founding principles of the organisation.

 

However, as much as I believe in the ideal of using the relative prosperity of the western world to stand up for the rights of people everywhere, the cynic inside me is saying that the only reason the US, UK and others would take this action is if there was some economic benefit to be gained from it, as this is historically the only reason that nations ever go into conflict unless attacked first.

 

We shall see. It is clear that this situation is completely different from Iraq in 2003, and of course we have a different government in power now (I wonder what Phoney Blair would be planning right now if he was still PM, seeing as he has always been a close buddy of Gadaffi), but one thing that I have learned over the years is that no matter which party they may represent, politicians are all the same at the end of the day. Self-serving habitual liars the lot of them.

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Well, that's a giggle. Gaddafi packs in at the thought of being beaten up by the Qataris.

 

Damn, they'll be going on and on about that for years ****y little buggers - one ME War & One World Cup good grief.

 

Ho hum, finished packing - hope Emirates flies over Turkey tomorrow and not over the Med, wouldn't want to try & get into SMS with a sidewinder in my cabin baggage

aintforever

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If this is truly a humanitarian mission with the sole aim of preventing a lunatic dictator from committing genocide against his own people then I think that the UN has a responsibility to carry it out in the name of protecting innocent civilians. This is one of the founding principles of the organisation.

 

However, as much as I believe in the ideal of using the relative prosperity of the western world to stand up for the rights of people everywhere, the cynic inside me is saying that the only reason the US, UK and others would take this action is if there was some economic benefit to be gained from it, as this is historically the only reason that nations ever go into conflict unless attacked first.

 

We shall see. It is clear that this situation is completely different from Iraq in 2003, and of course we have a different government in power now (I wonder what Phoney Blair would be planning right now if he was still PM, seeing as he has always been a close buddy of Gadaffi), but one thing that I have learned over the years is that no matter which party they may represent, politicians are all the same at the end of the day. Self-serving habitual liars the lot of them.

 

I don't disagree with the idea of the UN sorting Gaddafi out, just hate the way our country is so keen to send our boys to their deaths.

 

Put pressure on Libya, sign the bit of paper that makes it legal, then just shut the **** up and let someone else do something for a change.

 

Isn't it about time Ireland, Spain or Norway sent some of their kids to their bloody deaths, what makes our small skint Island so special?

Sheaf Saint

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what makes our small skint Island so special?

 

Ask dune; he clearly still yearns for the days of the empire and I'm sure he will be ecstatic that we are now getting another chance to prove to the rest of the world just how great Great Britain really is.

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Actually, in all seriousness aintforever, it might have something to do with the UK being one of the five permanent members of the UN security council. Clearly there are benefits of being part of that elite, but with it also comes responsibility that we can't just abandon as and when we decide that there is nothing to gain from it.

Thedelldays

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Ask dune; he clearly still yearns for the days of the empire and I'm sure he will be ecstatic that we are now getting another chance to prove to the rest of the world just how great Great Britain really is.

 

its a simple answer, these countries do not have the capability...like it or not we (still) do....and surely the lefty inside of you (ainforever) should have the will to protect the general public where we can...? you are all for looking after every tom **** and arry on these shores...why not else where..or do we wait for them to come here first..?

 

of course that does not mean we can go around the world and do this every time in every state....but no two situations are the same..right here, right now we appear to be able to do something....surely, you applaud that

aintforever

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because, compared to those nations you mention...we are not this quote above

 

They were just random examples, there are 195 other countries on this planet, 194 of those have as much to do with Libya as us.

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Actually, in all seriousness aintforever, it might have something to do with the UK being one of the five permanent members of the UN security council. Clearly there are benefits of being part of that elite, but with it also comes responsibility that we can't just abandon as and when we decide that there is nothing to gain from it.

 

Therefore we have to get stuck in when there's plenty in it for the World's peacekeepers (YewessofA).

aintforever

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its a simple answer, these countries do not have the capability...like it or not we (still) do....and surely the lefty inside of you (ainforever) should have the will to protect the general public where we can...? you are all for looking after every tom **** and arry on these shores...why not else where..or do we wait for them to come here first..?

 

of course that does not mean we can go around the world and do this every time in every state....but no two situations are the same..right here, right now we appear to be able to do something....surely, you applaud that

 

Do we go to war at the drop of a hat because we have the capability, or is it the other way round?

 

I agree with the aim, just don't agree with our boys paying the price when so many other countries, as rich or richer, do **** all. the rest of Europe must be laughing their tits off at us, spending our money, killing our soldliers why they sit back doing nothing. Look at those Bristish fools doing all our work again.

Thedelldays

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Do we go to war at the drop of a hat because we have the capability, or is it the other way round?

 

I agree with the aim, just don't agree with our boys paying the price when so many other countries, as rich or richer, do **** all. the rest of Europe must be laughing their tits off at us, spending our money, killing our soldliers why they sit back doing nothing. Look at those Bristish fools doing all our work again.

you seem to think we are taking the lead with this..?

you would be wrong

scotty

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Well, that's a giggle. Gaddafi packs in at the thought of being beaten up by the Qataris.

 

Damn, they'll be going on and on about that for years ****y little buggers - one ME War & One World Cup good grief.

 

Ho hum, finished packing - hope Emirates flies over Turkey tomorrow and not over the Med, wouldn't want to try & get into SMS with a sidewinder in my cabin baggage

 

with the way the middle east is going right now phil, I'd be checking the headlines pretty carefully before booking the return flight.

dubai_phil

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you seem to think we are taking the lead with this..?

you would be wrong

 

A wise Politician would have said during the negotiating phase - look we have this fook off great big Aircraft Carrier in the Med you can use, it's called RAF Akotiri Cyrpus.

An even wiser one would have said Yep no probs UN baby. How much an hour are we on?

 

But then you have Expense Claimers so,,,,,

dubai_phil

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with the way the middle east is going right now phil, I'd be checking the headlines pretty carefully before booking the return flight.

 

Nah, we're fine, why. we even declared we are going to have elections....

 

 

OK well the Emiratis are...

 

Lot safer down here - we only have the Iranians with their Dodgy Nuke Programme to worry about...

 

Oh

aintforever

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you seem to think we are taking the lead with this..?

you would be wrong

 

Considering the disproportionate amount we are doing in Afganistan compared to other nations I would say we are well within our rights to sit back, do nothing and watch Libya get sorted out while Germany, France etc bring home their dead.

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Nah, we're fine, why. we even declared we are going to have elections....

 

 

OK well the Emiratis are...

 

Lot safer down here - we only have the Iranians with their Dodgy Nuke Programme to worry about...

 

Oh

 

You can always trust the iranians....

 

 

on a side note, its sometimes worth going with your gut instinct about things. A mate of mine is in thailand on a months holiday at the moment, probably nuts deep in some ladyboy hahahaaa, he had a trip to japan booked as he hasnt been there before. Had a hotel in Tokyo arranged and flights booked, his mate said lets stay here, I cant be bothered with the trip, my mate reluctantly agreed. They were due in Tokyo the day befor the earthquake hit. I was phoning and texting him for two hours before he managed to get back to me to say theyd cancelled it.

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Back to the point for a moment, Gaddafi won't have forgotten that US carrier-borne F14s shot down a couple of his MIGs over the Gulf of Sirte a few years ago.

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Back to the point for a moment, Gaddafi won't have forgotten that US carrier-borne F14s shot down a couple of his MIGs over the Gulf of Sirte a few years ago.

 

True. But his MIGs and a few Mirages would be cannon fodder (more likely missile fodder) for modern warplanes like a Eurofighter Typhoon.

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I can tell you that in nearly 12 years service, I have never seen or heard of a lightbulb that costs £26

 

dont believe all you read in the papers

 

Or internet forums...

 

;-)

dune

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****ing stupid getting involved in another war, doing it when we are skint is mind-numbingly dumb.

 

What is it about the British psyche that makes us think that something happening a thousand miles away is our problem to sort out?

 

We must find new lands from which we can easily obtain raw materials and at the same time exploit the cheap slave labour that is available from the natives of the colonies. The colonies would also provide a dumping ground for the surplus goods produced in our factories.

 

Cecil Rhodes

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Ask dune; he clearly still yearns for the days of the empire and I'm sure he will be ecstatic that we are now getting another chance to prove to the rest of the world just how great Great Britain really is.

 

:toppa:

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Now it would appear that the insurgent rabble defied the "no fly zone" and then shot down their own plane.

 

It's just much ado about nothing, I remember how it was in Lebanon in the 80s, just a lot of unruly riff-raff shooting at anything and everything.Gaddafi is a nut job and always has been, I've come across various Italians who were summarily kicked out of Libya in the 70s and there are some sad sad stories there.We should have done something about him years ago when he was sponsoring wholesale terrorism and backing any sort of godbotherers and other assorted nutjobs with arms, facilities and immunity.However it's not a few idiots with AK47s and RPGs who are going to solve the problem for us.

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Has anyone got an idea why the French are being so gung ho about Libya?

 

Because we don't want the bastards over here in France and the Front National are running riot in the opinion polls for the 2012

presidential election.Sarkozy needs to show himself as hard on dictators etc because if not he might not even make the second round of the next presidential election.Then we would be faced with a choice between half witted anarchists posing as socialists and the National Front.

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dune

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now, UK submarines striking Libya with cruise missiles....

 

Nice one. We don't want the French and Americans to have all the fun.

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