Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 what are the chances..? no fly zone authorised by the UN military build up by western forces in the region hmmm, sounds familiar.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Sounds like we are considering dangerously overstreching our already stretched forces (if that makes any sence). We ask far too much of them as it is - let's pass on this one for a change - let somebody else clear it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Sounds like we are considering dangerously overstreching our already stretched forces (if that makes any sence). We ask far too much of them as it is - let's pass on this one for a change - let somebody else clear it up. considering..? its already being put in place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Haven't there been major cut backs in the military the last 12 months? Mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Well, the Arab League asked for it. They've shown some of their member states can operate "overseas" in the last couple of days. Let them get on with it and just let the Yanks provide Logistics & Awacs support. yeah, right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Fantastic to see David Cameron leading the way at the United Nations. Gone are the days when we were the poodles to the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Umm... so when it comes to a violent uprising and the dictator uses military force, we act. When it comes to an election fix to keep a dictator in and torture, starvation and terror to keep the populus down we ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 (edited) Umm... so when it comes to a violent uprising and the dictator uses military force, we act. When it comes to an election fix to keep a dictator in and torture, starvation and terror to keep the populus down we ignore. We can't act unless the people want us to because it'd leave us in a similar position to when we invaded Iraq. Thankfully we now have a Conservative government leading us. The people of Benghazi let off fireworks and fired shots into the air in appreciation of Britain, France and the Lebanon. The Conservatives have always been the party to represent Britain on the world stage. Conservative Rule = the Empire Strikes Back! [video=youtube;-bzWSJG93P8] Great tune. Edited 18 March, 2011 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 (edited) One for the leftys... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/mar/18/davidcameron-libya Don't cry. Edited 18 March, 2011 by dune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 well, the military build up begins....only a matter of time it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Only the Tories could announce massive military cutbacks and then go to war. They'll be telling us we will be producing the best graduates in the world next...... Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Only the Tories could announce massive military cutbacks and then go to war. They'll be telling us we will be producing the best graduates in the world next...... Fantastic. eh, you do realise that this is not just a UK venture...loads of countries are involved.........against a poor military force that is Libya...somehow, it should not been a problem between, the UK, France, US and co to muster up a few planes, Drones and cruise missiles....infact, we already have... not too sure of your point..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycombe Saint Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Looks like my holiday for this year is sorted then. At least there is Sun, Sea and sand. Dont think i will get any of the 4th S!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 It will be Libya this time, but who's next? My point was more never take the military for granted, as you never know what's around the corner. Cutbacks in these areas of defence are short-sighted IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 (edited) It will be Libya this time, but who's next? My point was more never take the military for granted, as you never know what's around the corner. Cutbacks in these areas of defence are short-sighted IMO. totally agree.....when people say we dont need a military anything the size we do...just look at the chaos in the world today... its not going to get much better in the medium term.. sadly, even when the country was on a credit binge, the forces were getting smaller then..what hope have they/we got now Edited 18 March, 2011 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 It amuses me how quiet the middle eastern peace envoy has been throughout all of this, wonder if it has anything to do with him being mates with Gaddafi . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I assume we'll send one of our carriers over to patrol the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I assume we'll send one of our carriers over to patrol the coast If so, they'd have misunderstood the meaning of 'no-fly zone'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Only the Tories could announce massive military cutbacks and then go to war. They'll be telling us we will be producing the best graduates in the world next...... Fantastic. You do understand why there's a need for these cut backs, don't you? You red friends caused this financial mess, ask Gordon about the gold reserves, or the pension funds. We aere where we are due to labour, don't blame the Tories for this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I never knew George Osborne was a member of the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 (edited) Its interesting to se the typical spin spouted about this in the Media oh and a few nice fluffy wuffies on this forum. Im not so sure the UK is going it alone on this although the way the popular media would have it we are. I suspec that what we are doing is allowing the yanks french etc to use the Akrotiri as a base for the crews of planes who will be involved in enforces the no fly zone. We probably will have a few piots involved either as refuelling planes and or the odd fighter plane. While the harriers may have gone we do have other planes we can use Typhoon etc. Im not suprised some labour MPs are against this strategy after all they spent their time licking gaddafis balls Sofor those that are opposed are you saying we do nothing and let gaddafi get aeway with genocide. sad if you do I was in cyprus when the libyans attacked akrotiri with mortars and also the attemted terrorist attack on a vehicle heading towards dehkelia. Oh the eoka B movement still exists but fortunatley remain extremely dormant but they still exist. Thats why the UN are still based in cyprus. the moment they leave the turkish greek cypriot stuff will kick off again . but hey why should we be bothered. gadaffi needs to be removed he supplied weapons etc to the IRa and who know who else. Edited 18 March, 2011 by Viking Warrior spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Saving a country who want to be saved is a legitimate use of force. If we do engage in Libya, the conflict is likely to be both faster and more successful than either Iraq or Afghanistan. The difference is that the country would largely back the foreign intervention (at least at first). It would be a legitimate conflict, undertaken for the right reasons – unlike Iraq. And I say this as a liberal leftie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 If so, they'd have misunderstood the meaning of 'no-fly zone'. OK I'll take the bait, I'm bored today. Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 OK I'll take the bait, I'm bored today. Why is that? Because the carriers don't 'carry' any planes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I assume we'll send one of our carriers over to patrol the coast Probably, with a few Harriers on, just for good measure..... huh...??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 One for the leftys... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/wintour-and-watt/2011/mar/18/davidcameron-libya Don't cry. But erm, that lefty article is giving a thumbs-up to Cameron for helping the rebels? When it all started a few weeks ago, didn't you say you "liked" Gaddafi and it would be wrong to help the rebels as they were all al-Qaeda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Tornado fighter jets, drones and submarines are being deployed right now by the UK......arab states along with France and the US to provide military assets too not long to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Libyan Navy (what ever it has) has set sail.......I wonder if they dare venture past the 12 mile zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Some woman on Jeremy Vine stating that Gaddafi is a good man ? a very deluded Briitish softee in my humble opinion probably thought sadam, pol pot or Hitler etc wouldnt hurt a fly either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Delldays if we sink one of their ships the public will be calling for an enquiry along the lines of the Belgrano backin 82. They are well armed the libyan army. Have you seen their armour plated pick up trucks and the all seem to be carrying very sophisticated weapons such as the AK47. and since when has tear gas been a weapon of mass distruction. PS Im crying with laughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Delldays if we sink one of their ships the public will be calling for an enquiry along the lines of the Belgrano backin 82. They are well armed the libyan army. Have you seen their armour plated pick up trucks and the all seem to be carrying very sophisticated weapons such as the AK47. and since when has tear gas been a weapon of mass distruction. PS Im crying with laughter its cruel really, we are deploying serious hardware against that lot...then I guess, the threat of force and a few hits from a Tornado will probably be enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Delldays if we sink one of their ships the public will be calling for an enquiry along the lines of the Belgrano backin 82. They are well armed the libyan army. Have you seen their armour plated pick up trucks and the all seem to be carrying very sophisticated weapons such as the AK47. and since when has tear gas been a weapon of mass distruction. PS Im crying with laughter Strangely (or not so, as the case maybe) I made the very same comment after watching a news report last night. Mobile ground defences consisting of a couple of Toyota pick ups with locally fitted gun mounts and a 'gimpy' mounted on top. 'Infantry' equipped, as you say, with 'state of the art' AK's - it is all very, very sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Breaking News.....Live press conference just now in Libya - their foreign office says they will comply with the UN resolution and will commence a cease fire with immediate effect. Stalemate....? Gadaffi calling the UN's bluff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Libyan Navy (what ever it has) has set sail.......I wonder if they dare venture past the 12 mile zone In all seriousness though, I'd hope Gadaffi realises the game is up here. If it comes to a military conflict, I won't be putting any money on Libya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Gaddafi is playing a clever game. He has won back the majority of his loss and can now play a waiting game. There will be lots of small incidents, but not enough to allow the wrath of the UN to take palce . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Gaddafi is playing a clever game. He has won back the majority of his loss and can now play a waiting game. There will be lots of small incidents, but not enough to allow the wrath of the UN to take palce . he will retain power as the UN action was only to protect the general public, not remove a leader.. that is that then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 kin-ell, just taken all morning to dig me old Johnny 7 out the cupboard just in case they needed volunteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 kin-ell, just taken all morning to dig me old Johnny 7 out the cupboard just in case they needed volunteers. no use as you Pompey boys shoot duds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Haven't there been major cut backs in the military the last 12 months? Mental. People forget though that our military budget is still huge despite cut backs. The cut backs to our army do not weaken us to some tiny state. We'd still be in the top 5, though China and the USA's military budgets are stratospheric. I do not think this will go to a war with ground troops. I think it may get as far as targeted bombings and perhaps military advisers... though that sounds a lot like Vietnam and we all know what happened there. Though this is very different from Vietnam. No one is actively supporting Gadaffi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 People forget though that our military budget is still huge despite cut backs. The cut backs to our army do not weaken us to some tiny state. We'd still be in the top 5, though China and the USA's military budgets are stratospheric.I do not think this will go to a war with ground troops. I think it may get as far as targeted bombings and perhaps military advisers... though that sounds a lot like Vietnam and we all know what happened there. Though this is very different from Vietnam. No one is actively supporting Gadaffi. Third highest in 2009 according to Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Fantastic to see David Cameron leading the way at the United Nations. Gone are the days when we were the poodles to the USA. Originally Posted by dune I quite like gadaffi. I hope he wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Third highest in 2009 according to Wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures Exactly! Though China's is most likely a lot higher than officially quoted. We have by no means though, a tiny military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 Exactly! Though China's is most likely a lot higher than officially quoted. We have by no means though, a tiny military. define that..? numbers..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 when we were paying £26 for a lightbulb , it shows our military have too much money, and with that goes waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 when we were paying £26 for a lightbulb , it shows our military have too much money, and with that goes waste I can tell you that in nearly 12 years service, I have never seen or heard of a lightbulb that costs £26 dont believe all you read in the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 The light bulb cost could be right a lexus LS400 mkIV. It cost.....wait for it...........£185!!! or a common house bulb cost This light bulb is costing more than fifty thousand pounds to replace. About a year ago it popped. I replaced it and the new one popped too, taking downstairs' electricity with it. So I replaced it and rang The Electrician. After a couple of hours in the cellar and under the hall floorboards The Electrician pointed out that I had Damp... enough Damp to fuse all the lights and present a small element of Danger. The Electrician disconnected the offending light fitting and told me to get a plumber. So a couple of weeks later The Plumber came and moved the washing machine to find so much Damp he couldn't get the machine back into its slot. He also found some dry rot, disconnected further electrical fittings and said that he had done all he could "in the circumstances"... So The Architect came and said "the best thing to do is pull it all down and start again". The Surveyor agreed. And so The Project has begun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I bog standard USB stick (if you are allowed it) costs not far of £40-50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I prefered the War on a Rack Dvd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 March, 2011 Share Posted 18 March, 2011 I prefered the War on a Rack Dvd The original or the remake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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