Is it me, or is John McCain....

[bridge too far]

Very creepy and not quite with it?

 

I watched the Newsnight special last night and excerpts from the 'debate' were shown.

 

I have nothing against 'old' people (being one myself) but he doesn't seem to know how to debate.

 

He just kept repeating the same old mantras (or should that be 'mantrae') regardless of the topic and, at times, seemed to be on another planet.

 

He did himself and his cause no favours IMO.

 

Unless something fraudulent or underhand happens, Obama has this in the bag I think.

 

Views / opinions / abuse?

[jeff leopard]

McCain looks like a muppet, not as in 'shut it, you muppet' but as in an actual muppet, like one of the old men in the box, but a much weaker looking version.

 

It really does look like he's blown it. If the rumours that he wasn't tortured in Vietnam are proved true, then he has nothing and will get his sorry arse whooped.

 

Thanks, primarily, must go to the credit crisis for swinging it Obama's way. It may even save Brown's job.

[doublesaint]

My registered staunch Republican work mate has even admitted that McCain has little chance now, though he would like the Republican party to ask some pertinent questions of Obama's links to the now 'reformed' lecturer?, who waged a campaign of violence against the Vietnam war in the 70's, and also to probe further into Obama's involvement in Chicago politics where he started his political career, seemingly Chicago is one of the most politically corrupt areas of America along with perhaps Boston and other areas such as Louisiana.

 

Still I get to win 100 dollars off him if Obama wins, which will then go straight to another American mate of mine who I owe the same amount to due to a losing wager on the Ryder Cup outcome. And today I sent him the words of the Red Flag to learn seeing as he is now living in a 'socialist state", he is not particularly amused by that!!

[MongoNeil]

I'm not so sure about Obama any more since his new campaign to make C02 a pollutant! How exactly are they going to enforce that then, make breathing illegal? Any legislation like that will send the US back to the dark ages faster than you can say "Osama Bin Laden".

[Saint Keith]

tbf, mcCain is probably a bit weak-kneed after being tossed of by Sarah Palin under the table

[Arizona]

So it's not just me who thinks McCain isn't dealing with a full deck. The thought of him and Sarah "I lived next to Russia, so I know all about them and I'm not scared of starting World War III" Palin having control of the most powerful nation on Earth sends shivers down my spine.

[Saint Keith]

So it's not just me who thinks McCain isn't dealing with a full deck. The thought of him and Sarah "I lived next to Russia, so I know all about them and I'm not scared of starting World War III" Palin having control of the most powerful nation on Earth sends shivers down my spine.

 

 

as opposed to an angry black terrorist lover with a chip on his shoulder?

[bridge too far]

as opposed to an angry black terrorist lover with a chip on his shoulder?

 

So you believe the racist hype perpetrated by the extreme right-wing media too, eh?

 

Even McCain told a stupid lemming at his rally that Obama wasn't a terrorist (or an Arab for that matter).

[norwaysaint]

So you believe the racist hype perpetrated by the extreme right-wing media too, eh?

 

Even McCain told a stupid lemming at his rally that Obama wasn't a terrorist (or an Arab for that matter).

 

 

I don't think he was saying he was a terrorist and a lover, mor a lover of terrorists.

 

It was a pretty moronic comment though, from the Daily Mail school of believing lowest common denominator journalism.

[revolution saint]

McCain also has an annoying tendency to hold his arms out like a scarecrow. It's as if he's got a coathanger in his jacket. I notice he also says 'my friend' a lot.

 

I thought he lost the debate and especially that 'Joe the plumber' argument he kept coming back to. I couldn't understand why he continued to return to it - it's fine to make a point but to keep repeating it isn't very clever.

 

I enjoyed the debates though - it's a shame we don't have them over here.

[doublesaint]

So you believe the racist hype perpetrated by the extreme right-wing media too, eh?

 

Even McCain told a stupid lemming at his rally that Obama wasn't a terrorist (or an Arab for that matter).

 

But he does have links to William Ayers who was associated with terrorist attacks within America. Though Obama was only a youth at the time, he did later on in life....

 

The Associated Press and other news organizations have reported that Obama and Ayers, now a college professor who lives in Obama's Chicago neighborhood, are not close but that they worked together on two nonprofit organizations from the mid-1990s to 2002. In addition, Ayers hosted a small meet-the-candidate event for Obama in 1995 as he first ran for the state Senate.

[Deppo]

That 'Joe the plumber' argument has been shown up to be a crock of ****.

[bridge too far]

I don't think he was saying he was a terrorist and a lover, mor a lover of terrorists.

 

It was a pretty moronic comment though, from the Daily Mail school of believing lowest common denominator journalism.

 

Yes, you're right - he wasn't. My bad!

 

However, I think he first met this 'terrorist' (a preacher, I believe) when he was 8! He must have been radicalised then, then.

 

I'm not sure why he's perceived to have a chip on his shoulder though. I would have thought to have achieved what he has (not just being a presidential candidate but also being a professor at a very young age and going to the two best US universities) would polyfill any chips there might have been.

[Master Bates]

What's scary bout this?

 

 

Edited 17 October, 2008 by Master Bates

[Saint Martini]

Did anyone see McCain in the debate the other day saying he had voted against his party numerous times and had the scars to prove it? I thought he got those in Vietnam?

[bridge too far]

Did anyone see McCain in the debate the other day saying he had voted against his party numerous times and had the scars to prove it? I thought he got those in Vietnam?

 

But now, allegedly, he didn't get scars in Vietnam at all

[Andy_Porter]

Joe the plumber just wants to live the America dream.

 

Poor Joe.

[bridge too far]

Joe the plumber just wants to live the America dream.

 

Poor Joe.

 

Didn't it transpire that Joe the Plumber isn't actually a qualified plumber at all? So he couldn't fulfil the American Dream (unless he goes to college of course).

[revolution saint]

Didn't it transpire that Joe the Plumber isn't actually a qualified plumber at all? So he couldn't fulfil the American Dream (unless he goes to college of course).

 

This is true, he works for a plumbing company but isn't a plumber. The union that represents plumbers in the US is supporting Obama.

[No 2 to Maybush]

Is that the same Obama who was allegedly born in Kenya (thus making him ineligible to be US President) but claims he was born in Hawaii? The same Obama who is obfuscating producing his birth certificate under subpoena in the hope that he can get to the election before he needs to show it? The same hypocrite Obama who stood in Berlin and demanded a world without walls the day after flying in from Israel?

 

I pity the Americans. It'll be same sh it, different face. Both main candidates are OWNED by corporate america. Still, it'll be interesting to see if the election goes ahead after the cr ap hits the fan on the 21st October.

 

Stock up on food and make sure you have enough cash to get you through the next few weeks when the banks close.

[St Landrew]

Is that the same Obama who was allegedly born in Kenya (thus making him ineligible to be US President) but claims he was born in Hawaii? The same Obama who is obfuscating producing his birth certificate under subpoena in the hope that he can get to the election before he needs to show it? The same hypocrite Obama who stood in Berlin and demanded a world without walls the day after flying in from Israel?

 

I pity the Americans. It'll be same sh it, different face. Both main candidates are OWNED by corporate america. Still, it'll be interesting to see if the election goes ahead after the cr ap hits the fan on the 21st October.

 

Stock up on food and make sure you have enough cash to get you through the next few weeks when the banks close.

 

This should clear up a bit of confusion:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

[Master Bates]

This should clear up a bit of confusion:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

 

Cheers St Landy, I now have his signature which can be used in many ways, mwah ha ha ha ha :smt045

 

Kind regards

[St Landrew]

Cheers St Landy, I now have his signature which can be used in many ways, mwah ha ha ha ha :smt045

 

Kind regards

 

Sorry to p!ss on your exclusive parade MB, but everyone who wants it, now has Barack Obama's signature.

[St Landrew]

Don't suppose you want this bloke's then..?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

[Saint George]

You gotta laugh ....You lot fell for Blair and Brown 3 times in a row and now you're doing it all over again with the socialist over here

 

http://www.neverfindout.org/

 

I if you knew the facts, then you'd know that 'Joe the Plumber' wanted to buy a plumbing business but was concerned at Noboma's proposed Tax rate ......To which Noboma replied that although he didn't want to 'punish' him for success, he just wanted to 'share the wealth"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZQ03kgB6Bg&feature=related

 

Joes personal status is irrelevant .....He's not running for President....Nobama 'is'......and like the a lot of the left wing media ...all you want to do is kick the ordinary guy for having the ordacity to ask the 'One' a question

 

And if ya'll cant see why Nobama's judgement should be questioned when you look into his choice of past associates and friendships then there aint much hope for you ....

 

http://paganpower.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/guilt-by-participation/

 

 

But its a whole lot easier just to ignore it ...pretend it aint so....but it is, the facts are out there .....Not smears, not rumors but substantiated facts,....but hey, he talks good in front of a teleprompter so he must be ok eh...yeah just like Blair

 

Bill Ayers

 

Bernardine Dohrn

 

Kwame Malik Kilpatrick

 

Antoin "Tony" Rezko

 

Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr

 

Cynthia K. Miller

 

Dr. Khalid al-Mansour

 

and now we have 'Acorn' and Nation wide voter fraud and intimidation on a massive scale ....For those that don't know thats another organization the Nobama was involved in.....http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/acorn1.htm

 

Oh lets not forget the Berg Lawsuit and others being filed as we speak......Its questionable whether he'll even still be on the ballet come nov 4

[bridge too far]

Don't suppose you want this bloke's then..?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

 

Cripes! He started dating his second wife whilst still married to his first wife. :shock:

 

His first wife suffered 'crippling injuries'. So he left her?

 

Scum

[bridge too far]

Saint George in 'rising to the bait' shocker

[AndyNorthernSaints]

IMO it doesn't really matter how stupid McCain comes across. This was a country that voted George Bush in. I just can't see America voting in a black president sadly.

[St Landrew]

You gotta laugh ....You lot fell for Blair and Brown 3 times in a row and now you're doing it all over again with the socialist over here

 

http://www.neverfindout.org/

 

I if you knew the facts, then you'd know that 'Joe the Plumber' wanted to buy a plumbing business but was concerned at Noboma's proposed Tax rate ......To which Noboma replied that although he didn't want to 'punish' him for success, he just wanted to 'share the wealth"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZQ03kgB6Bg&feature=related

 

Joes personal status is irrelevant .....He's not running for President....Nobama 'is'......and like the a lot of the left wing media ...all you want to do is kick the ordinary guy for having the ordacity to ask the 'One' a question

 

And if ya'll cant see why Nobama's judgement should be questioned when you look into his choice of past associates and friendships then there aint much hope for you ....

 

http://paganpower.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/guilt-by-participation/

 

 

But its a whole lot easier just to ignore it ...pretend it aint so....but it is, the facts are out there .....Not smears, not rumors but substantiated facts,....but hey, he talks good in front of a teleprompter so he must be ok eh...yeah just like Blair

 

Bill Ayers

 

Bernardine Dohrn

 

Kwame Malik Kilpatrick

 

Antoin "Tony" Rezko

 

Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr

 

Cynthia K. Miller

 

Dr. Khalid al-Mansour

 

and now we have 'Acorn' and Nation wide voter fraud and intimidation on a massive scale ....For those that don't know thats another organization the Nobama was involved in.....http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/acorn1.htm

 

Oh lets not forget the Berg Lawsuit and others being filed as we speak......Its questionable whether he'll even still be on the ballet come nov 4

 

We didn't fall for Blair, Brown and the Labour Government, we voted them in. Just as another generation didn't fall for the Conservative government over their tenure either.

 

By the way, I think you've mispelled Obama. We don't put an N in front of his surname over here.

[Saint George]

Yes, you're right - he wasn't. My bad!

 

However, I think he first met this 'terrorist' (a preacher, I believe) when he was 8! He must have been radicalised then, then.

 

I'm not sure why he's perceived to have a chip on his shoulder though. I would have thought to have achieved what he has (not just being a presidential candidate but also being a professor at a very young age and going to the two best US universities) would polyfill any chips there might have been.

 

Wrong .....the Preacher Is just a radical racist American hater who just happend to be Nobama's pastor for the last 20 years...and not when he was 8 ....Nobama was living in Indonesea back then, as a Indonesian citizen

 

The terorist in question is Bill Ayers ....Look him up. i dare ya...and while your at it ...try 'Tony Rezko' thats the guy who sorted out Nobama's real estate and owns the lot next to Nobama's house, through which. BTW is the only way you can access it

[Saint George]

We didn't fall for Blair, Brown and the Labour Government, we voted them in. Just as another generation didn't fall for the Conservative government over their tenure either.

 

By the way, I think you've mispelled Obama. We don't put an N in front of his surname over here.

 

I see what you're trying to do there, and i'm really not surprised ...So for clarification for those that might fall for it ......'Nobama' is a acronym for NO 'BAMA ...clear enough for ya?

[Draino76]

I think they are 2 really bad candidates. McCain is too old and Obama is too inexperienced and just like what Tony Blair was in 1997; all hype and no policy. Just like Cameroon today. Politics both side of the Atlantic need to get better people in there. Its all very depressing.

[hypochondriac]

I see what you're trying to do there, and i'm really not surprised ...So for clarification for those that might fall for it ......'Nobama' is a acronym for NO 'BAMA ...clear enough for ya?

 

Thank God SG cannot post any more today. What a looney.

[St Landrew]

Thank God SG cannot post any more today. What a looney.

 

Hooray, someone who saw through my ploy..!

[Guest Hacienda]

St George, you're a moron.

 

Anyone who is on the record, as you are, as saying that George W Bush has been a good president is clearly a moron.

 

Thankfully you cannot post anymore of your ill informed braindead drivel today so run along back to Fox News.

 

Freak

[St Landrew]

I see what you're trying to do there, and i'm really not surprised ...So for clarification for those that might fall for it ......'Nobama' is a acronym for NO 'BAMA ...clear enough for ya?

 

Oh I see. But we don't do political propaganda on this website, just political humour, so it's Obama as far as GB is concerned. Perhaps when you return tomorrow you can keep your Nobama for your friends. I would be just as even-handed to McCain, so why can't you..?

[revolution saint]

Wrong .....the Preacher Is just a radical racist American hater who just happend to be Nobama's pastor for the last 20 years...and not when he was 8 ....Nobama was living in Indonesea back then, as a Indonesian citizen

 

The terorist in question is Bill Ayers ....Look him up. i dare ya...and while your at it ...try 'Tony Rezko' thats the guy who sorted out Nobama's real estate and owns the lot next to Nobama's house, through which. BTW is the only way you can access it

 

Obama has already criticised Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr so that one doesn't really hold much water.

 

Bill Ayers was a terrorist I guess but he's also been Chicago's citizen of the year. In any case Ayers and Obama served on a couple of charity boards together - big deal. Ayers hosted some fund raising events for Obama..again big deal.

 

None of this matters because as you pointed out with 'Joe the Plumber' none of them are running for president.

 

I think it's good that there is clear policy difference beween the two though. Obama states quite clearly that 95% of the population will benefit from his policies while McCain favours policies that reward the health insurance companies and the rich. It's a legitimate choice rather than a choice between two politicians that essentially say the same thing.

 

BTW if you really want to have a look at scandal then look at how the republicans stole the election between Bush and Gore. They actually did that. Ironically if they hadn't then America might not be in the mess it's in now and McCain might have stood a better chance of getting elected.

[OldNick]

Obama is just a trendy lets try a different approach like Blair.

He has used the 'leave Iraq Afganistan' card. To me that is madness that the generations in the future will find to their cost. Iraq is on its way to becoming a safer place, the moment you withdraw those troops and it will turn into an unstable disaster zone.It is not fashionable to say it but it is correct IMO

 

I like Obama in many ways and think that to have a black president is tremendous, and for all those who think USA are full of crackpot rascists, hand on heart how much chance would a polital party in the UK elect a leader called Obama, or a black man. Even the good old labour party dont wheel them out, and they are supposedly the voice of the working people.

[simo]

I still do not think America will vote in a black president no matter how good a politician they are!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Very creepy and not quite with it?

 

I watched the Newsnight special last night and excerpts from the 'debate' were shown.

 

 

 

Unless something fraudulent or underhand happens, Obama has this in the bag I think.

 

Views / opinions / abuse?

 

In a nutshell, please note this for when he is elected (much to my dismay).

[bridge too far]

In a nutshell, please note this for when he is elected (much to my dismay).

 

I'll be delighted to eat my words and buy everyone on here a virtual pint if he does win!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I'll be delighted to eat my words and buy everyone on here a virtual pint if he does win!

 

I didn't phrase my reply correctly, apologies!

 

I would love Obama to win, the cynic in me tells me that either he'll not be allowed to win or if he wins then he'll be assassinated within 6 months.

 

I believe that the U.S. establishment is more corrupt than most other 'Western' democracies.

 

I think we run them hard for the title though!

[TopGun]

Even for St George who claims we vote muppets in as UK leaders I think it's quite obvious that the US voters are going to elect Obama. The opinion polls now are are going to be hard to reverse.

 

So St George, that'll leave you with muppets in charge of both the US and UK. And both elected. How about that?

[Guest Hacienda]

Even for St George who claims we vote muppets in as UK leaders I think it's quite obvious that the US voters are going to elect Obama. The opinion polls now are are going to be hard to reverse.

 

So St George, that'll leave you with muppets in charge of both the US and UK. And both elected. How about that?

 

Especially now the USofA is more Socialist than sunny blighty.

[Mao Cap]

Even for St George who claims we vote muppets in as UK leaders I think it's quite obvious that the US voters are going to elect Obama. The opinion polls now are are going to be hard to reverse.

 

So St George, that'll leave you with muppets in charge of both the US and UK. And both elected. How about that?

 

Time to grab your stack of guns and ammo, get in your pick-up truck and head to the Montana hills to join up with the other freedom fighters, before Nobama invites the commie UN to requisition your house for the storage of pig iron

[Badger]

I would love Obama to win, the cynic in me tells me that either he'll not be allowed to win or if he wins then he'll be assassinated within 6 months.

 

 

 

I expect this will be the subject of many sweepstakes.

[RoswellSaint]

You gotta laugh ....You lot fell for Blair and Brown 3 times in a row and now you're doing it all over again with the socialist over here

 

http://www.neverfindout.org/

 

I if you knew the facts, then you'd know that 'Joe the Plumber' wanted to buy a plumbing business but was concerned at Noboma's proposed Tax rate ......To which Noboma replied that although he didn't want to 'punish' him for success, he just wanted to 'share the wealth"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZQ03kgB6Bg&feature=related

 

Joes personal status is irrelevant .....He's not running for President....Nobama 'is'......and like the a lot of the left wing media ...all you want to do is kick the ordinary guy for having the ordacity to ask the 'One' a question

 

And if ya'll cant see why Nobama's judgement should be questioned when you look into his choice of past associates and friendships then there aint much hope for you ....

 

http://paganpower.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/guilt-by-participation/

 

 

But its a whole lot easier just to ignore it ...pretend it aint so....but it is, the facts are out there .....Not smears, not rumors but substantiated facts,....but hey, he talks good in front of a teleprompter so he must be ok eh...yeah just like Blair

 

Bill Ayers

 

Bernardine Dohrn

 

Kwame Malik Kilpatrick

 

Antoin "Tony" Rezko

 

Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr

 

Cynthia K. Miller

 

Dr. Khalid al-Mansour

 

and now we have 'Acorn' and Nation wide voter fraud and intimidation on a massive scale ....For those that don't know thats another organization the Nobama was involved in.....http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/acorn1.htm

 

Oh lets not forget the Berg Lawsuit and others being filed as we speak......Its questionable whether he'll even still be on the ballet come nov 4

 

This is the kind of nonsense that gets people over here a bad name.

 

Fact is that anyone who runs for president is going to have skeletons in the closet somewhere that people will twist to their advantage.

 

I haven't heard the suggestion from BTF that McCain wan't torured in Vietnam - even the left leaning media here probably wouldn't dare suggest that but I find it hard to believe that could have been covered up.

 

I do believe McCain is too old, he has leant to the right to get the extreme right on his side. He made a bad choice for VP.

 

I believe Obama is inexperienced but I think he will do more to rebuild American relations with the rest of the world. I will probably pay more in taxes if he wins.

 

This is my first opportunity to vote here. Who do I vote for? A tough choice between two flawed candidates. 18 days to decide.

[RoswellSaint]

I didn't phrase my reply correctly, apologies!

 

I would love Obama to win, the cynic in me tells me that either he'll not be allowed to win or if he wins then he'll be assassinated within 6 months.

I believe that the U.S. establishment is more corrupt than most other 'Western' democracies.

 

I think we run them hard for the title though!

 

I don't think they can stop him but I don't think he will be assassinated.

 

As for corruption, don't get me started. If you insist though, pork is a good place to begin.

[bridge too far]

.............

I haven't heard the suggestion from BTF that McCain wan't torured in Vietnam - even the left leaning media here probably wouldn't dare suggest that but I find it hard to believe that could have been covered up........

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/14/uselections2008-johnmccain

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/johnmccain/3194087/John-McCain-was-not-tortured-in-Vietnam-prison-guard-claims.html

 

Just two of the many newspaper articles on this topic.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

 

I would love Obama to win, the cynic in me tells me that either he'll not be allowed to win or if he wins then he'll be assassinated within 6 months.

 

Probably by St George and his white sheet wearing mates.

Edited 18 October, 2008 by St Landrew
Sorted the quote out