niceandfriendly Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Has anyone else been impressed with Goberns little cameo sub appearances in recent weeks? Whenever he's come on he looks assured, strong in the tackle and has a decent first time shot on him too. Look at the Forte chance yesterday, all down to Oscar making a well timed challenge in the middle and slotting a decent ball through only for it to be squandered, and he almost scored when he made a great chance for himself a few minutes later. Could be another gem for the future if his development continues.
Saint_clark Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Been very impressed. It seems to be the norm for our fans nowadays to not like anyone who didn't cost us a bomb or come with glowing reports from their previous club. I could understand if people were biased because of his disastrous performance away to MK Dons last season when he was chucked on at left back, but no-one has even mentioned it before. If he keeps up this level of performance i'm more than happy with our cover at CM.
paulwantsapint Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Think he looks like good cover for now and if he keeps getting 20 min sub cameos with team winning should be looking good for starting soon Like his willingness to shoot
Ricky Redstripe Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He is getting better all the time. I was also hoping to see more of Callum McNish though, he was being touted as a player similar in style to a Patrick Viera. If so our midfield for the future looks promising.
shirleysfc Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He is getting better all the time. I was also hoping to see more of Callum McNish though, he was being touted as a player similar in style to a Patrick Viera. If so our midfield for the future looks promising. I was wondering about McNish too, it seems to have gone quiet for him over the last 6-12 months.
S-Clarke Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He's a decent player, has been unfairly labelled as deadwood at times. I remember his debut (i think it was hid debut?) when he came on against Preston and played a massive part in us winning that at the death. He's had problems with injuries in the last year or so - but if he can keep himself fit and get some games under his belt then he's a very handy player.
LGTL Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He came through with the likes of Mcgoldrick and Dyer didn't he? I don't think the asscociation with that season does him much good! Seems to have taken longer to come through then others, but he has definately improved greatly.
toofarnorth Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Is he not out of contract in the summer? If he's not been offered a new deal they may not think he can cut it in the championship, should that be where we find ourselves next season.
Mowgli Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Great game on Tuesday. we actually improved a bit when he replaced the cautious (yellow carded) Chaplow. I know NA rated him very highly as soon as he arrived here. Seems a lot bigger and stronger than when he first debuted for us (a few years ago now!)
so22saint Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Could he be Neil Maddison to the Ox's Alan Shearer?
Ken Tone Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Has anyone else been impressed with Goberns little cameo sub appearances in recent weeks? Whenever he's come on he looks assured, strong in the tackle and has a decent first time shot on him too. Look at the Forte chance yesterday, all down to Oscar making a well timed challenge in the middle and slotting a decent ball through only for it to be squandered, and he almost scored when he made a great chance for himself a few minutes later. Could be another gem for the future if his development continues. Agreed. Thought he looked like the new Drew Surman when he played before, mostly in left midfield. Now he's back in the frame he looks promising at CM.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Mmm, sorry to be the voice of dissent here, but for me he is far away being good enough unless we're content to remain in L1 forever and certainly not good enough for the NPC. Not got a problem with him being 4th choice while we're in this league, but to harbour thoughts of him remaining with us as we climb back through the NPC is daft IMO. He's far too lightweight in the tackle and not decisive or precise in his passing to be an effective CM beyond L1.
southamptonfclegend Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 to disagree with you all, he's a shocking player, not good enough for league one, falls over ALL the time, like bambi on ice and can't pass, shockingly bad.
Firead Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Disagree with the previous poster! He had a great game Tuesdy and is improving all the time...Chaplow and Hammond watch out!
saints-cris Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Looked good on Tuesday, the fact that hes filling out now definately helps as well.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Was shocking last season against MK Dons - absolute garbage!
Firead Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 One game and he is written off by Glasgow Saint.....nonsense!
supersonic Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Was shocking last season against MK Dons - absolute garbage! Swindon away the whole squad was shocking but nobody is berating them
(not THE) Kevin Moore Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Mmm, sorry to be the voice of dissent here, but for me he is far away being good enough unless we're content to remain in L1 forever and certainly not good enough for the NPC. Not got a problem with him being 4th choice while we're in this league, but to harbour thoughts of him remaining with us as we climb back through the NPC is daft IMO. He's far too lightweight in the tackle and not decisive or precise in his passing to be an effective CM beyond L1. remind me how old he is again? That you've written off any chance of him ever improving?
TheSaint75 Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 I'll hold on judging him just yet, he has potential but i've not seen enough of it to be sure he will be worthy of a 1st team slot
Minty Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 None of us are able to judge his long term ability on the few appearances he has made, however what has been clear from those is that he is improving in training with the first team and has is earning his appearances. Only when he starts to have a few 90 minutes under his belt will we be able to see his full potential, so unless those who criticise him have seen him regularly in training, I think the only thing we can sensibly conclude is that he is showing promise and we should be cautiously optimistic about his progress. Adkins is blooding him gradually in a position that is difficult for young players to break into and I trust his judgement.
Ken Tone Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 to disagree with you all, he's a shocking player, not good enough for league one, falls over ALL the time, like bambi on ice and can't pass, shockingly bad. Hence my comparison with Surman, or maybe I should have mentioned Oakley. The sort of player some fans never appreciate, however much other fans and the manager do.
Turkish Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Mmm, sorry to be the voice of dissent here, but for me he is far away being good enough unless we're content to remain in L1 forever and certainly not good enough for the NPC. Not got a problem with him being 4th choice while we're in this league, but to harbour thoughts of him remaining with us as we climb back through the NPC is daft IMO. He's far too lightweight in the tackle and not decisive or precise in his passing to be an effective CM beyond L1. You obviously didn't see his tackle and through ball to Forte on tuesday night then. it's a long time since i've seen one of our midfielders clatter another player without giving away a free kick and then actually do something with the ball. I know it was only 20 seconds of football but the lad is improving.
Gis Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 You obviously didn't see his tackle and through ball to Forte on tuesday night then. it's a long time since i've seen one of our midfielders clatter another player without giving away a free kick and then actually do something with the ball. I know it was only 20 seconds of football but the lad is improving. Agreed. I can't see many players messing with Gobern at this level and yet he's still just 20 years. He could be a good enforcer for Lallana over the next year or so.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 One game and he is written off by Glasgow Saint.....nonsense! Good point - i will give him a 2nd chance. Everyone deserves that right? Support the Saints win, lose or draw...... I know I will
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 You obviously didn't see his tackle and through ball to Forte on tuesday night then. it's a long time since i've seen one of our midfielders clatter another player without giving away a free kick and then actually do something with the ball. I know it was only 20 seconds of football but the lad is improving. Listen, don't get me wrong - he may well be improving (I'd be even more disappointed if he wasn't), however I don't see enough in his game to indicate that he'll make the step up to NPC level (unlike most of our other midfielders). He is probably not too far from being on a par with Hammond TBF but I don't see him being with us all the way through to the Prem - do you?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 remind me how old he is again? That you've written off any chance of him ever improving? You make a good point - he might improve enough to be useful, however my feeling is he will not be good enough to improve in the NPC. If we field anyone of his ability in that league we will be found out (like we were so many times when we played sub-standard youth during Lowe's tenure). Can't afford to be sentimental about this - the club intends moving forward at a pace and that means always improving the overall level of competency across the squad. If he was good enough to do that he would be displacing Schneiderlin for example.
John Boy Saint Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Always pleased when its Oscar coming on, as he is a very competent, and increasingly combative player, and does nothing stupid. The moaners on here who know so much about football really should go and get a job in football then come on here and pontificate about a nipper who is doing alright. The lad is only 20, he is tall and gangly and has just really come out of his awkward growing age which does not help some lads. Just because he has not exploded onto the scene like Oxo or Theo in their teens, does not make him a crap player who will not make it above our current level.
SparkySaint Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 My Dad and I were talking about how good he is. Some players are slow burners and take a while to find their feet. Looks like Oscar is doing that and impressing NA
LeBenali Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He comes across as gangly and clumsy to me, but he must have 'something' for Adkins to have a certain amount of faith in him, so I'm prepared to give him a chance to prove himself!
Colinjb Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He's looked quite promising whenever i've seen him, certainly becoming better with every appearance. Let's hope he can keep progressing.
NickG Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 Mmm, sorry to be the voice of dissent here, but for me he is far away being good enough unless we're content to remain in L1 forever and certainly not good enough for the NPC. Not got a problem with him being 4th choice while we're in this league, but to harbour thoughts of him remaining with us as we climb back through the NPC is daft IMO. He's far too lightweight in the tackle and not decisive or precise in his passing to be an effective CM beyond L1. were you there on Tuesday?
NickG Posted 10 March, 2011 Posted 10 March, 2011 He seems to get bigger each game as well! Showed excellent first touch, quick feet, got into the speed of the game etc - would not imagined that Hammond or Chaplow coming off the bench would have done any better at all. Not saying he will be great, just as I wouldn't right off a player after brief subs appearance, but looks very promising as potential first team player. Adkins was talking about him after his frist couple of weeks here so has seen something. Only turned 20 a few weeks ago - very young for CM in this league
niceandfriendly Posted 11 March, 2011 Author Posted 11 March, 2011 You obviously didn't see his tackle and through ball to Forte on tuesday night then. it's a long time since i've seen one of our midfielders clatter another player without giving away a free kick and then actually do something with the ball. I know it was only 20 seconds of football but the lad is improving. Absolutely. What's most incouraging about Gobern is his ability to tackle despite not being the biggest physically and then doing something creative. He's probably a player who would actually benefit from us staying down one more season, but if (when, please when) we go up we can always loan him out to a League One club if he isn't quite up to NPC level at that point.
NickG Posted 11 March, 2011 Posted 11 March, 2011 Yep - were you? Yes. Gobbern was excellent, albeit brief appearance. Strong, quick feet, tidy passing, good tackles etc. You must have been impressed.
NickG Posted 11 March, 2011 Posted 11 March, 2011 (edited) Absolutely. What's most incouraging about Gobern is his ability to tackle despite not being the biggest physically and then doing something creative. He's probably a player who would actually benefit from us staying down one more season, but if (when, please when) we go up we can always loan him out to a League One club if he isn't quite up to NPC level at that point. possibly bigger than all our other CMs? edit - no, Hammond is biggest but Gobbern bigger than Chaplow. Not sure stats right as we were saying on Tuesday that he looks bigger! Edited 11 March, 2011 by NickG
St_Tel49 Posted 11 March, 2011 Posted 11 March, 2011 to disagree with you all, he's a shocking player, not good enough for league one, falls over ALL the time, like bambi on ice and can't pass, shockingly bad. Are you judging him on this year's performances or previous years. Either way take another look.
sammysaint Posted 11 March, 2011 Posted 11 March, 2011 I Liked him the season we went down he looked ok for a 18/19 year old at the time and this season he's slowly getting the mins and proving he can come on and help us with 15-20 mins left, defo keep him if we go up 4th choice cm.
southamptonfclegend Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 I'm judging him by everytime I've seen him play the last two home games are when people are starting to think he looks 'good', because he has come on when a side is 3-0 up or what 3-1 up? he was playing against two of the poorest teams in the league when we were in control and comfortable, it doesn't take a good footballer to look okay in these situations , I will go with my shocking views of him, he's an awful footballer.
chrisobee Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 Alan Ball had already played for England when he was 20, Gobern is clearly useless as indeed Lallana surely is. 22 and still no England caps ? In fact worse than useless:rolleyes:
Saf... Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 I'm judging him by everytime I've seen him play the last two home games are when people are starting to think he looks 'good', because he has come on when a side is 3-0 up or what 3-1 up? he was playing against two of the poorest teams in the league when we were in control and comfortable, it doesn't take a good footballer to look okay in these situations , I will go with my shocking views of him, he's an awful footballer. away okay, so because the opposition were poor that means Gobern is ****? Understood, understood. So we should probably drop Barnard pretty sharpish? He played well against yeovil but as they're so sh*t i
Saf... Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 Continued... ...assume it means Barney is too. fonte and lambert also played against these poor Yeovil and Swindon sides, we'd better write them off as footballers too. Honestly... Some people
SparkySaint Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 It is usually best to judge a player after they have had a good run in the team. He was a bit lightweight a few seasons ago but now looks much better now
ribbo Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 It is usually best to judge a player after they have had a good run in the team. He was a bit lightweight a few seasons ago but now looks much better now aye, wenger says that you dont know how a young player truely is going to turn out until they're 23, goberns got time yet and is getting better, good luck to him.
NickG Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 He isn't a current first team player for a premiership, or top 6 championship side, therefore not good enough for our bench. I know that professor told me
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 Yes. Gobbern was excellent, albeit brief appearance. Strong, quick feet, tidy passing, good tackles etc. You must have been impressed. And another completely inept appearance today. ******* 3-1 up...only been on the pitch 5 minutes...and the twerp gets himself sent off!!! What a top player he really is.
Minty Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 And another completely inept appearance today. ******* 3-1 up...only been on the pitch 5 minutes...and the twerp gets himself sent off!!! What a top player he really is. Oh please. Were you there? Have you just watched his 12 minutes on the pitch? It doesn't get much more knee-jerk than that. Red card certainly sounded harsh to me for his only foul, and yes, perhaps it was silly and his inexperience showed. But no one can judge him for it so soon after the incident.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 March, 2011 Posted 12 March, 2011 Oh please. Were you there? Have you just watched his 12 minutes on the pitch? It doesn't get much more knee-jerk than that. Red card certainly sounded harsh to me for his only foul, and yes, perhaps it was silly and his inexperience showed. But no one can judge him for it so soon after the incident. Damn right I can judge him. And believe me if Bompey had come back into the game and drawn or won because we went to 10 men, a lot more would be slamming him. It was a stupid challenge that was completely unnecessary given Saints position and the type of decision from a player out of his depth. IMO of course.
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