Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Goths and Emu's/Emo's or whatever they are called all want to be different. Fine I can accept it that they have a personality which leads them to crave attention and they think the way to get that is to shock people into giving it to them by looking different. Yet, they hang around with others similar looking to them and go to places which cater for only that kind of person. Surely this makes them the same?! I bet they all sit around in their dungeon-esk clubs moaning about following rules and criteria, yet they all look the frickin same! You never see a goth in full blacked up dress wear in the middle of a nightclub do you? Now that would be different. Bunch of 'Oh look at me, im different' freaks
Hatch Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Where do Goths work? Are they all suited and booted during the day?
Gully Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Good point, they are attention seeking but their insecurity massively outweighs it.
Julian H. Cope Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 I am a life coach.Do you want to talk about it?.
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 I'm different, and so are all my friends.
Jillyanne Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 I'm different, and so are all my friends. We know.
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 It's a rite of passage thing. From beatnicks to rockers, mods, hippies, new romantics, punks etc. etc. etc. They'll grow out of it
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 We know. Thank god my me and my friends are just different, unlike you and yours who are special.
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 16 October, 2008 Author Posted 16 October, 2008 They'll grow out of it You say that but I have seen a fair few late twenties - mid thirties goths. You have to ask how they get on in life. I know prejedism (sp?) isnt allowed in todays soceity, however, you cant imagine many employers seeing past the makeup and dark clothes! I certainly wouldnt employ a goth who dressed that way for work, would scare the clients off!
Jillyanne Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Thank god my me and my friends are just different, unlike you and yours who are special. My other half tells me that I am very special.
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 My other half tells me that I am very special. Does he call you timmy?
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 You say that but I have seen a fair few late twenties - mid thirties goths. You have to ask how they get on in life. I know prejedism (sp?) isnt allowed in todays soceity, however, you cant imagine many employers seeing past the makeup and dark clothes! I certainly wouldnt employ a goth who dressed that way for work, would scare the clients off! I don't think there's any difference between them and their 'uniforms' and us grown ups wearing our 'uniforms', be it suits for work or jeans and Tshirts / football tops for leisure. Don't judge a book by a cover is my maxim.
Julian H. Cope Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 I'm not different at all.I'm the same as all of you.
Jillyanne Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Does he call you timmy? No, he calls me Jill.
Gingeletiss Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Where do Goths work? Are they all suited and booted during the day? Surely, they only work night shifts....
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Goths and Emu's/Emo's or whatever they are called all want to be different. Fine I can accept it that they have a personality which leads them to crave attention and they think the way to get that is to shock people into giving it to them by looking different. Yet, they hang around with others similar looking to them and go to places which cater for only that kind of person. Surely this makes them the same?! I bet they all sit around in their dungeon-esk clubs moaning about following rules and criteria, yet they all look the frickin same! You never see a goth in full blacked up dress wear in the middle of a nightclub do you? Now that would be different. Bunch of 'Oh look at me, im different' freaks What harm are they doing though? Would you prefer they dressed as chavs and beat you up?
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 16 October, 2008 Author Posted 16 October, 2008 What harm are they doing though? Would you prefer they dressed as chavs and beat you up? No harm. It doesnt say they are causing me harm, just an observation. FWIW, Chavs also do my nut in. Why would anyone want to be branded a Chav, knowing full well they are the butt of most peoples jokes?!
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 No harm. It doesnt say they are causing me harm, just an observation. FWIW, Chavs also do my nut in. Why would anyone want to be branded a Chav, knowing full well they are the butt of most peoples jokes?! Maybe because they get a sense of belonging - something they haven't experienced when growing up? Or maybe because they'd rather have attention, even if they're being derided, than no attention at all :smt102
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 No harm. It doesnt say they are causing me harm, just an observation. FWIW, Chavs also do my nut in. Why would anyone want to be branded a Chav, knowing full well they are the butt of most peoples jokes?! Well it would be a bit boring if everyone dressed the same. They might think you look a bit square etc but i'm sure you don't care. This comes from an old punk btw :-)
Ash Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Bunch of 'Oh look at me, im different' freaks If I had a pound for every time I heard a goth say that I would have no pounds. You seem to be making up both sides of the argument here, you have put across the case for goths and emos and then taken it apart. It makes no sense.
Guest Hacienda Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Aren't we all tribal in one sense or another and the clothes/music etc show which tribe we are in? Isn't that why people wear replica kits for example?
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Aren't we all tribal in one sense or another and the clothes/music etc show which tribe we are in? Isn't that why people wear replica kits for example? Which is why it's fun being different / enigmatic. Get people guessing and annoyed because you can't be pigeonholed. Which brings me back to the other thread on this forearm: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3301 and why the short-haired girl gets noticed.
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Which is why it's fun being different / enigmatic. Get people guessing and annoyed because you can't be pigeonholed. Which brings me back to the other thread on this forearm: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3301 and why the short-haired girl gets noticed. Is it because she drinks from the furry cup?
Deppo Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 A lot of people dress in a certain way to make up for a lack of personality. They define themselves by what they wear solely.
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 By a woman! Maybe that's the difference between men and women then. Men look at 'bits' whereas women notice people who are not prepared to be one of the herd and therefore have a bit of personality and individuality.
Ponty Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 How can you tell if someone has any sort of personality from a photo? I meant to say that on the other thread but forgot.
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 How can you tell if someone has any sort of personality from a photo? I meant to say that on the other thread but forgot. Stripey jumper = personality. T-shirts that have "I'm with stupid" printed on them = no personality.
Guest Hacienda Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Which is why it's fun being different / enigmatic. Get people guessing and annoyed because you can't be pigeonholed. But Emos, Goths etc aren't being different, which is the whole point.
Ponty Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 But Emos, Goths etc aren't being different, which is the whole point. They're being different to the mainstream and that is the whole point.
Guest Hacienda Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 They're being different to the mainstream and that is the whole point. Tripe. They've created a new tribe and therefore conformed to the rules of that tribe and ipso facto adopted mainstream rules of acceptance by doing so.
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 But Emos, Goths etc aren't being different, which is the whole point. No that's not the point I was trying to make! I was trying to say that any 'young person' who doesn't dress like a chav, goth, emo IS different. To me, this indicates they're capable of independent thought and confident of their own identity so that they don't feel they need to conform to a stereotype. In the same way - I'm a grandmother but I certainly don't fit the stereotype and that really annoys some people of my age group because I don't neatly fit their perceptions of what a grandmother should look like
Ponty Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 It's their whole point, and I don't think there need be any other.
Guest Hacienda Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 No that's not the point I was trying to make! I was trying to say that any 'young person' who doesn't dress like a chav, goth, emo IS different. That I agree with.
Crouchie's Lawyer Posted 16 October, 2008 Author Posted 16 October, 2008 Tripe. They've created a new tribe and therefore conformed to the rules of that tribe and ipso facto adopted mainstream rules of acceptance by doing so. My point exactly
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Striped jumpers do not equal personality. Oh yes they do!!! Just not very good ones.... I imagine INS has a cupboard full of stripey jumpers
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Oh yes they do!!! Just not very good ones.... I imagine INS has a cupboard full of stripey jumpers :shock: I'm wearing a stripey jumper right now! Or are the rules different for girlies?
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 :shock: I'm wearing a stripey jumper right now! Or are the rules different for girlies? You do not want to hear what pigeon hole girlies with striped jumpers go in :shock:
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 You do not want to hear what pigeon hole girlies with striped jumpers go in :shock: Go on - do tell
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Go on - do tell You know Laurel from Emmerdale
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 You know Laurel from Emmerdale No, sorry. I don't watch trashy soaps
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 No, sorry. I don't watch trashy soaps Can I swap you for Mrs WSS from 7.00pm to 9.00pm??
Saint In Exile Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 No that's not the point I was trying to make! I was trying to say that any 'young person' who doesn't dress like a chav, goth, emo IS different. To me, this indicates they're capable of independent thought and confident of their own identity so that they don't feel they need to conform to a stereotype. In the same way - I'm a grandmother but I certainly don't fit the stereotype and that really annoys some people of my age group because I don't neatly fit their perceptions of what a grandmother should look like Rule 1!!
bridge too far Posted 16 October, 2008 Posted 16 October, 2008 Can I swap you for Mrs WSS from 7.00pm to 9.00pm?? Only if I have unlimited access to the bar
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