burning of poppies

[Viking Warrior]

I am incensed that Mr Choudhury only got fined £50 for burning replica poppies during the 2 minutes of silence on Armistice day last year.

 

You get fined more for a car park fine

It must have cost the police and courts an absolute fortune to hear the case yet they only fine him £50 it was a dispicable act and he was also shouting obscenties like British soldiers burn in hell

 

And now he is apparently stating he does not regret his actions and is considering doing it again this year.

 

So mush for the deterrent. The guy who ****ed on a war memorial got a massive fine yet this anti brit protestor all but gets away with a similar offence.

 

The law is an ass . The moment we harp on about anti islamic feeling we are jumped upon

[Verbal]

You're doing exactly what he wants you to do. Don't be manipulated by a monumental wind-up merchant.

[georgeweahscousin]

The ultimate **** take is that the guy gets £800 a month benefits, so he isn't even paying the fine himself!

[dubai_phil]

The most eloquent condemnation of this came on Sky News yesterday by the Muslim MP (Khaled Mahmood I think) from B'ham who called it a disgrace and showed how badly warped the UK legal system is that this idiot could act like this towards a Charity and yet in a different context, an EDL member doing something with a Muslim symbol would be heavily fined for Racism. Free speech is relative as he went on to say, he caused massive offence. The idiot in the court is a fool. If HE couldn't do anything then the Law is an Ass

 

Simple answer to be honest to people like these - revoke their passports or at least their benefits if they do not wish to live in the society.

[Hatch]

Simple answer to be honest to people like these - revoke their passports or at least their benefits if they do not wish to live in the society.

 

Nail. Head.

[benjii]

Shouldn't have been convicted of anything let alone fined IMO.

[Lighthouse]

Without going into benefit abuse, which is a completely different issue, I agree with Benji and Verbal on this. This nobber is clear out to stir up racial hatred and xenophobia by disrepecting out national heroes. There's no crime here really IMO. He hasn't damaged property, assaulted anyone. You can't exactly accuse him of inciting racial hatred either, even if it is his aim, because he hasn't said anything racist.

 

I would treat it like I'd treat that muslim organisation who wanted to march through Wooton Bassett. Let him. At the end of the day nobody gets hurt and everyone knows what a disrespectful piece of sh*t this guy is. He will probably get his head kicked in by a couple of skinheads to boot.

[sebastian firefly]

Shouldn't have been convicted of anything let alone fined IMO.

 

+1 freedom is a complex creature with many contradictions and paradoxical positions

[dune]

It's on the front page of todays Express that the c/nt is on benefits so we the taxpayer are paying his fine.

[sebastian firefly]

It's on the front page of todays Express that the c/nt is on benefits so we the taxpayer are paying his fine.

 

if hes on the front of the expressd they think he topped Diana was ther burnt poppy petals in the pont d'alma

[OldNick]

people should remember that the Poppy is symbolic of the sacrifice made by millions of people (who were younger than the majority on here) so that he could do much as he likes likes. To me his action was similar to that of me burning the Koran to him. It is amusing that these people talk about how bad it is here but dont wish to go to their homeplace

[dune]

The guy the scum UAF invited to speak at Luton has offered to pay the fine.

 

The extremist told how radical Muslim cleric Anjem Choudary had offered to foot the bill, adding: “He’s a good friend of mine. He called me up and said ‘Don’t worry, I’ll pay it’. We were having a bit of a laugh about it.”

 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/233243/Court-fine-is-badge-of-pride-says-jeering-poppy-burnerCourt-fine-is-badge-of-pride-says-jeering-poppy-burner#ixzz1G0MuBPnq

[thesaint sfc]

I read this puppies

[Sour Mash]

Shouldn't have been convicted of anything let alone fined IMO.

 

Why not?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

He should be allowed to speak out. That is a very sacred value.

[Special K]

I read this puppies

 

Now, that would cause outrage on this forum.

[Lighthouse]

It's on the front page of todays Express that the c/nt is on benefits so we the taxpayer are paying his fine.

 

A typical sensationalist response to something which will cost us each 0.00008 pence. I'm not saying it's morally right, but when compared to the billions at stake in cuts to defence and other public sector jobs it really is silly. If I had my way this wouldn't even be in the news. "Man is bit of a mong" hardly life changing stuff.

[bridge too far]

people should remember that the Poppy is symbolic of the sacrifice made by millions of people (who were younger than the majority on here) so that he could do much as he likes likes. To me his action was similar to that of me burning the Koran to him. It is amusing that these people talk about how bad it is here but dont wish to go to their homeplace

 

I think you're comparing apples with pears here, Nick. As you rightly say, the poppy is a symbol. But the Koran is a faith text, similar to the Christian bible. It isn't a symbol.

 

I think the man was very wrong to do what he did, but I defend his right to freedom of expression. After all, that's what we celebrate by wearing poppies, surely. But the irony of that was, no doubt, not apparent to him.

[dubai_phil]

A typical sensationalist response to something which will cost us each 0.00008 pence. I'm not saying it's morally right, but when compared to the billions at stake in cuts to defence and other public sector jobs it really is silly. If I had my way this wouldn't even be in the news. "Man is bit of a mong" hardly life changing stuff.

 

Man is not a bit of a Mong. he is a part of a section of this planet's population who wishes to see all of us living in caves and mud huts, under the FALSE name of Islam.

 

He is hated and detested by millions of TRUE Muslims, he and his colleagues roles are there to stir up racial hatred that they can expolit. This is not free speech, it is as deliberate and divisive as if the EDL had held Koran burning sessions.

 

These people were cast out by ISLAMIC societies as being in conflict with the majority interpretation of Islam by Muslims.

 

This is NOT a political left/right issue - as I said, the BEST attack on this guy came from a LABOUR MUSLIM MP

[OldNick]

I think you're comparing apples with pears here, Nick. As you rightly say, the poppy is a symbol. But the Koran is a faith text, similar to the Christian bible. It isn't a symbol.

 

I think the man was very wrong to do what he did, but I defend his right to freedom of expression. After all, that's what we celebrate by wearing poppies, surely. But the irony of that was, no doubt, not apparent to him.

to you it may be apples and pears but to me the symbol of the Poppy is more important than the bible, and i would not worry if the bible was burnt. It is a way of honouring the young who died. i doubt many wanted to sacrifice the rest of their lives to enable these people to dis-honour them. It is right that he did it for publicity, and no doubt thrives on that, the stupid thing is he is allowed to do so whilst others could not retaliate.

[Sour Mash]

A typical sensationalist response to something which will cost us each 0.00008 pence. I'm not saying it's morally right, but when compared to the billions at stake in cuts to defence and other public sector jobs it really is silly. If I had my way this wouldn't even be in the news. "Man is bit of a mong" hardly life changing stuff.

 

It's the principle that is important, not the actual value.

[Lighthouse]

Man is not a bit of a Mong. he is a part of a section of this planet's population who wishes to see all of us living in caves and mud huts, under the FALSE name of Islam.

 

He is hated and detested by millions of TRUE Muslims, he and his colleagues roles are there to stir up racial hatred that they can expolit. This is not free speech, it is as deliberate and divisive as if the EDL had held Koran burning sessions.

 

These people were cast out by ISLAMIC societies as being in conflict with the majority interpretation of Islam by Muslims.

 

This is NOT a political left/right issue - as I said, the BEST attack on this guy came from a LABOUR MUSLIM MP

 

I get it. I get why this guy hates Britain, I get that he is in a small minority and that most Muslims despise his principles. My point is that we shouldn't be publicising this guy by making a massive deal of it. The only value his actions have is the value we give it. I could burn a poppy, Quran, Bible or whatever in my house right now. Would it matter? No, because nobody is there to see it.

 

People like this should be ignored, then their gestures are powerless. This guy wants to burn a poppy, fine here's a lighter, go nuts. I'll just get on with my life. However by creating a media sh*tstorm about it we're giving this guy the attention and conflict he craves.

 

It's the principle that is important, not the actual value.

 

I know. I just think there are bigger and more tropical fish to fry.

Edited 8 March, 2011 by Lighthouse

[Griffo]

I hope he drowns.

[Viking Warrior]

Kalid Mahmood is dead right on this and I entirely respect his views on this case . The legal system here is such a mess.

As for Mr Choudhury. While I can see where you are coming from Benji but I have to disagree. He was inciting hatred full stop

burning poppies and calling for our soldiers to be burnt in hell. and you intimate he has done nothing wrong.

 

There were other instances of war memorials be daubed with paint by some more extreme muslims supporting Bin Laden

were cleared of any offence once they were charged

 

What sentence did the guy get for painting a poppy on the Jumii mosque in skatesville

[Gemmel]

Ive been shot down on here before for this opinion, but for me this a perfect example of how "Social Justice" should right the wrongs of our own judicial system.

 

Plaster his name and face over as many papers as possile, give him the publicity he seeks. Then let him walk around the streets with a smile on his face.

 

I hope the budget cuts don't mean the Police couldn't make it on time, if someone took offence to his actions.

[benjii]

I get it. I get why this guy hates Britain, I get that he is in a small minority and that most Muslims despise his principles. My point is that we shouldn't be publicising this guy by making a massive deal of it. The only value his actions have is the value we give it. I could burn a poppy, Quran, Bible or whatever in my house right now. Would it matter? No, because nobody is there to see it.

 

People like this should be ignored, then their gestures are powerless. This guy wants to burn a poppy, fine here's a lighter, go nuts. I'll just get on with my life. However by creating a media sh*tstorm about it we're giving this guy the attention and conflict he craves.

 

 

 

I know. I just think there are bigger and more tropical fish to fry.

 

Quite right, IMO.

[hypochondriac]

Everyone should just ignore him, I mean seriously just totally turn a blind eye. I bet that would p*ss him right off.

[miserableoldgit]

to you it may be apples and pears but to me the symbol of the Poppy is more important than the bible, and i would not worry if the bible was burnt. It is a way of honouring the young who died. i doubt many wanted to sacrifice the rest of their lives to enable these people to dis-honour them. It is right that he did it for publicity, and no doubt thrives on that, the stupid thing is he is allowed to do so whilst others could not retaliate.

Quite right, but let`s not forget that this is not just about the service personel who are losing their lives currently. The poppy represents the hundreds of thousands of soldiers, sailors etc who have died defending this country, whether it was against Hitler, the Kaiser or even Napoleon. By defiling the poppy, they are not making a stand against what is happening in Iraq or Afghanistan, they are dishonouring the memory of everyone who has died preserving the freedom that they now abuse.

[holepuncture]

Everyone should just ignore him, I mean seriously just totally turn a blind eye. I bet that would p*ss him right off.

 

Nah - send him to libya and see how much he dislikes us and our way of life then! Its mental that the country pays people like this benefits, can you imagine one of us trying to do that..!

 

It always seems to be the british born pakistanis/islamites/jihadis et al that have these chips on their shoulders (and yes i know i have one too)... the ones that have snuck in from the M.E seem to be far more respectful, as they dont want to be sent back to thier sand lands, oppressive reigimes and barbaric laws. choudary dosent realise how lucky he is.

 

choudary was on R2 about half an hour ago. He tried his best to sound reasonable, but eventually just fell into that same ****ty little attitude of talking over people, saying innit innit innit... that REALLY annoys me... innit!

 

this is the future people - people like choudary all over the place. there seems to be gangs of aggressive little asians everywhere you go nowadays, we cant even manage our own let alone this bloody lot!

 

Cheers Tony.

[Mattio]

I just heard him on Jeremey Vine and he sounds like one of the characters in Four Lions!

 

 

[bridge too far]

 

this is the future people - people like choudary all over the place. there seems to be gangs of aggressive little asians everywhere you go nowadays, we cant even manage our own let alone this bloody lot!

 

Cheers Tony.

 

No - he's the exception rather than the rule. Most Muslims are decent, law-abiding people, I think.

[Verbal]

Nah - send him to libya and see how much he dislikes us and our way of life then! Its mental that the country pays people like this benefits, can you imagine one of us trying to do that..!

 

It always seems to be the british born pakistanis/islamites/jihadis et al that have these chips on their shoulders (and yes i know i have one too)... the ones that have snuck in from the M.E seem to be far more respectful, as they dont want to be sent back to thier sand lands, oppressive reigimes and barbaric laws. choudary dosent realise how lucky he is.

 

choudary was on R2 about half an hour ago. He tried his best to sound reasonable, but eventually just fell into that same ****ty little attitude of talking over people, saying innit innit innit... that REALLY annoys me... innit!

 

this is the future people - people like choudary all over the place. there seems to be gangs of aggressive little asians everywhere you go nowadays, we cant even manage our own let alone this bloody lot!

 

Cheers Tony.

 

Well done. Choudhury's got you jumping through his hoops, just as he wanted to. He know perfectly well that there's a knee-jerk fraternity just waiting to react with apoplectic incoherence. It's what he wants: swivel-eyed rage, blaming all Asians for the deliberately provocative nonsense of people like Choudhury and Hassan Bhutt. He knows that violent thoughts will eventually turn into violence itself, and polarise people still further. He gets a kick out of manipulating the gullible on both sides of the 'argument'.

[hypochondriac]

Nah - send him to libya and see how much he dislikes us and our way of life then! Its mental that the country pays people like this benefits, can you imagine one of us trying to do that..!

 

It always seems to be the british born pakistanis/islamites/jihadis et al that have these chips on their shoulders (and yes i know i have one too)... the ones that have snuck in from the M.E seem to be far more respectful, as they dont want to be sent back to thier sand lands, oppressive reigimes and barbaric laws. choudary dosent realise how lucky he is.

 

choudary was on R2 about half an hour ago. He tried his best to sound reasonable, but eventually just fell into that same ****ty little attitude of talking over people, saying innit innit innit... that REALLY annoys me... innit!

 

this is the future people - people like choudary all over the place. there seems to be gangs of aggressive little asians everywhere you go nowadays, we cant even manage our own let alone this bloody lot!

 

Cheers Tony.

 

Can't say I have seen any.

[OldNick]

Well done. Choudhury's got you jumping through his hoops, just as he wanted to. He know perfectly well that there's a knee-jerk fraternity just waiting to react with apoplectic incoherence. It's what he wants: swivel-eyed rage, blaming all Asians for the deliberately provocative nonsense of people like Choudhury and Hassan Bhutt. He knows that violent thoughts will eventually turn into violence itself, and polarise people still further. He gets a kick out of manipulating the gullible on both sides of the 'argument'.

Perhaps the people in their community should stand up and give him a kicking, they would go up in the majorities opinion if they did.No they sit back say nothing and in doing so leave him to create more division and resentment.

[Verbal]

Perhaps the people in their community should stand up and give him a kicking, they would go up in the majorities opinion if they did.No they sit back say nothing and in doing so leave him to create more division and resentment.

 

If you only read this thread, Nick, you'll see that's exactly what they do.

[dune]

Perhaps the people in their community should stand up and give him a kicking, they would go up in the majorities opinion if they did.No they sit back say nothing and in doing so leave him to create more division and resentment.

 

Exactly. The Hindu and Seikh communities for example wouldn't tolerate such behaviour and they keep their houses in order. Elders in these communities respect Britain and British values.

Edited 8 March, 2011 by dune

[holepuncture]

No - he's the exception rather than the rule. Most Muslims are decent, law-abiding people, I think.

 

ridiculous suggestion - that wouldnt fit my agenda one bit. interesting to note that you are not convinced yourself though (as you normally know it all)

 

I agree though.

 

Well done. Choudhury's got you jumping through his hoops, just as he wanted to. He know perfectly well that there's a knee-jerk fraternity just waiting to react with apoplectic incoherence. It's what he wants: swivel-eyed rage, blaming all Asians for the deliberately provocative nonsense of people like Choudhury and Hassan Bhutt. He knows that violent thoughts will eventually turn into violence itself, and polarise people still further. He gets a kick out of manipulating the gullible on both sides of the 'argument'.

 

And you seem to know the workings of this fool a little too well! Are you involved with some of these tribes? Are you a 'cell' for choudary?!

 

I like this response however, it made me chuckle, nice emotive language 'swivel-eyed rage'!

 

I think it will be choudary himself that will turn violent, probably in classic 'im going to stick explosives on me and blow my balls off' style.

 

Its strange that he is publically embarrassing his people though. Im sure he is starstruck by 10mins on R2, but all he has achieved is lowering the general opinion of islam etc.

 

he is making islamics unemployable.

 

Can't say I have seen any.

 

lucky you

 

Perhaps the people in their community should stand up and give him a kicking, they would go up in the majorities opinion if they did.No they sit back say nothing and in doing so leave him to create more division and resentment.

 

when our leaders fall foul the whole country ousts them, we can certainly take the high ground when it comes to integrity.

 

this is where the whole argument falls apart, the communities and their leaders are not doing anything. if you read that muslim manifesto, you will see that the leaders tow the same line as choudary, they are simply more diplomatic in their approach.

 

At the end of the day, white/asian/black/blue few what ever - religion should not be dictating the modern world, its insane!

[bridge too far]

Having a rant here........

 

It's TOE the line, not TOW the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://grammartips.homestead.com/toetheline.html

 

[trousers]

Having a rant here........

 

It's TOE the line, not TOW the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

http://grammartips.homestead.com/toetheline.html

 

 

Give him a break. Perhaps he's been brought up reading the Guardian. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

 

;-)

[bridge too far]

Give him a break. Perhaps he's been brought up reading the Guardian. Benefit of the doubt and all that.

 

;-)

 

Hmmm - as my dear old Dad would have said 'You're so sharp, you'll bloody cut yourself one day'.

 

I wasn't having a pop at him, particularly. I see this error so many times, it bugs me.

[Viking Warrior]

Choudhury is part of a small group of nasty individuals. he seems to have forgotten that many of his kinfolk also laid down their lives as did sikhs , Hindus etc in various conflicts for Graet Britain.

 

Its scum tlike him who give all the other law abiding ethnic communnities a bad name. sadly the decision by the courts have now given him celebrity status. Jeremy Vine and co you have a lot to answer for.

 

he should have been made an example off and even his side kick was found not guilty of the same offence.

 

Knowing my luck I will get done for doing 32 miles an hour in a 30 miles zone in the next few days .

[trousers]

 

Knowing my luck I will get done for doing 32 miles an hour in a 30 miles zone in the next few days .

 

"Luck"? More like poor judgement, surely?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

+1 freedom is a complex creature with many contradictions and paradoxical positions

 

Eloquence has no place on this forum thank you ;-)

[Saintandy666]

It's not nice at all what he did, but we can't stop him saying or doing what he does. In these kind of situations, banning is not the solution. His point was that we were all for remembering our dead, but we forget who they have killed.

[Deppo]

As Stewart Lee said in his show that is a reaction to the Christian Voice condemnation of his portrayal of Christ in Jerry Springer: The Opera:

 

"Firstly, (...)a symbol, be it an icon or a flag or whatever, is only as worthy of respect as the values of the people that appropriate it. Secondly, that if a symbol goes out into the world, into places where it's perhaps not understood or valued, you shouldn't be too upset if it then takes on a shape that you don't recognise as your own. And thirdly, that if you attempt to apply limits to freedom of expression, either through legislation or intimidation or threats, what will then happen is that reasonable people, often against their own better judgement, will feel obliged to test those limits..."

[Gemmel]

It's not nice at all what he did, but we can't stop him saying or doing what he does. In these kind of situations, banning is not the solution. His point was that we were all for remembering our dead, but we forget who they have killed.

 

In some ways you are right about not banning, but at least now he has had his face all over the papers and his gob on the radio. I am sure someone, somewhere will take suffficient offence to dish out some "Social Justice".

[Seaford Saint]

As Stewart Lee said in his show that is a reaction to the Christian Voice condemnation of his portrayal of Christ in Jerry Springer: The Opera:

 

"Firstly, (...)a symbol, be it an icon or a flag or whatever, is only as worthy of respect as the values of the people that appropriate it. Secondly, that if a symbol goes out into the world, into places where it's perhaps not understood or valued, you shouldn't be too upset if it then takes on a shape that you don't recognise as your own. And thirdly, that if you attempt to apply limits to freedom of expression, either through legislation or intimidation or threats, what will then happen is that reasonable people, often against their own better judgement, will feel obliged to test those limits..."

 

Did yu put this together Deppo? On your own? Top marks

[Johnny Bognor]

The hypocrisy on this thread is unbelievable.

 

Many of you who are apologising for this **** are the same people who throw a complete hissy fit when Dune posts something contraversial. Considering that Dune is often clearly winding people up, the cleric **** is doing the same except that what he is doing is far more inflammatory, on a far larger stage.

 

I do despair at this place sometimes.

[Verbal]

Calm down johnny, it's not hypocrisy at all - just rational peer pressure. Just as many in the Asian community act by standing apart from and condemning Choudhury's brainless, attention-seeking loopiness, so do we with dune.

 

We are dune's Asian community.

[dune]

We are dune's Asian community.

 

Is that the royal we?