St Chalet Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Quite a bit of debate on whether to do this. Personally I was open to the idea, but having done it on a thread earlier I am not so sure it is a good idea. The forum software does not make it easy (or even possible as far as I aware) to do this in an automated way so it would be down to Mods and admin to manually post them manually. In addition a lot of the posts we infract are deleted without the majority of the users getting to see them. Having to leave posts there, or the mystery of what they might of been is probably more damaging than the offence itself. If you are interested how it panned out see the thread in question http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28699-Wonders-of-the-solar-system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 In answer to your question Dune, I took all the previous 6646 crimes into account. But why did you have to announce the infraction? Talk about loving the power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 I don't think it was the announcement that ruined the thread, it was the unexpected nature of it. People were not expecting to see your announcement as it hadn't been announced! Personally, think it's a decent enough idea. I would edit the offending post with a heading INFRACTION AWARDED and in the reason for editing bit state the reason for the infraction. If the post was offensive then you could remove the offensive words. You would need to stop the poster from reediting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 I'm actually pretty sorry for my post, just because St Chalet is getting some grief now and he's actually a good egg. I feel responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Some people call for Infractions to be made clear..... a test is done on one of them and it's a mod being power mad. They can't win. Wonders of the Solar system was bloody brilliant last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 I thought it was a good idea and in the most people reacted the way they did because they didn't understand what the f*ck was going on, TBF the majority of MOD abusing power was because they didn't realise you were going to do it and forewarning would have minimised it. Also, you Infracted Deppo for making a snipe remark about Hypo which is a little bit double standards when you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 I suggested a "member departures" thread a while ago. An example of where this works can be found here; http://www.footballforums.net/forums/showthread.php/144876-Member-Departures But tbh it's up the two admins if they want something like that to go ahead. I think it'd work brilliantly here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 7 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 March, 2011 I thought it was a good idea and in the most people reacted the way they did because they didn't understand what the f*ck was going on, TBF the majority of MOD abusing power was because they didn't realise you were going to do it and forewarning would have minimised it. Also, you Infracted Deppo for making a snipe remark about Hypo which is a little bit double standards when you think about it. Don't disagree with your first paragraph, in hindsight a bit of warning would have been a better idea. PS. How do you know Hypo hasn't been infracted for the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 How do you know Hypo hasn't been infracted for the same? Deppo didn't report him ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 7 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Yeah public infractions is bull****. Mods going mental. Deppo means no harm and lightens things up. Yet he gets infractions. Alpine destroys the main forum and nothing. Utter ********. He's a ***** isn't he. Infract me sideways. Add some sarcasm too. A thread discussing the wonders of the universe descends into a mod wielding his power to dish out infractions on an Internet forum. Good stuff. And you know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Adrian, if we were as "power hungry" and strict as you like to think, Deppo would have been perma-banned a long, long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Leave Deppo alone ( in pure Britney fan glory) TBF he brings a bit of life to a forum that has died a lot over the past few years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Leave Deppo alone ( in pure Britney fan glory) TBF he brings a bit of life to a forum that has died a lot over the past few years I agree...he does actually make me laugh and it's blatantly obvious that half of what he posts is not serious. The real problem is the people who can't use common sense and tell the difference between having a bit of a laugh and being a c*nt, and then report every tiny little thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 I agree...he does actually make me laugh and it's blatantly obvious that half of what he posts is not serious. The real problem is the people who can't use common sense and tell the difference between having a bit of a laugh and being a c*nt, and then report every tiny little thing. Exactly this Can we infract anyone who reports as being a little bit too serious ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 7 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 March, 2011 To paraphrase the soon to be sacked Blackburn manager, if we gave an infraction for every breach of the rules we'd have 10 bannings a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 To paraphrase the soon to be sacked Blackburn manager, if we gave an infraction for every breach of the rules we'd have 10 bannings a day. Is he a mod then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Quite a bit of debate on whether to do this. Personally I was open to the idea, but having done it on a thread earlier I am not so sure it is a good idea. The forum software does not make it easy (or even possible as far as I aware) to do this in an automated way so it would be down to Mods and admin to manually post them manually. In addition a lot of the posts we infract are deleted without the majority of the users getting to see them. Having to leave posts there, or the mystery of what they might of been is probably more damaging than the offence itself. If you are interested how it panned out see the thread in question http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28699-Wonders-of-the-solar-system I think there's a compelling argument in this for keeping infractions private. Sadly, the problem is a wider one of perceived fairness. When Deppo was briefly banned, dune sailed on regardless - and yet EVERYONE knows he's been banned before and has been allowed for no obvious reason to breach rules which apply to others. It was the same thing with Nineteen Canteen et al. He even boasted to several of us by PM that he had re-emerged in about five different guises - all known to Admin. If there were a clear argument that justifies this, the clamour for making infractions public would probably go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 People who call for others to be banned should themselves be infracted. It's ****ing sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I like the idea, I think before when this has been discussed I came to the conclusion that it was a good idea. The only concern for me is work, there's not an easy way of implementing this, we would have to write the code ourselves and we're busy enough as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I was almost certain this was enabled just by changing a 'Registered User' and 'Full Member' permission in the VB CP? Lots of other forums have it. You just click on their profile and it tells you all about them etc as it does normally and has a page of their infractions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I like the idea, I think before when this has been discussed I came to the conclusion that it was a good idea. The only concern for me is work, there's not an easy way of implementing this, we would have to write the code ourselves and we're busy enough as it is. The "member departures thread" could just be typed out manually, no need to over complicate it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 The "member departures thread" could just be typed out manually, no need to over complicate it really. That'd just never ever ever happen. Anything manual is too much hassle to consistently keep up to date. We tried that just between the admins and it didn't work - so would be even less likely to work on here for everyone to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 That'd just never ever ever happen. Anything manual is too much hassle to consistently keep up to date. We tried that just between the admins and it didn't work - so would be even less likely to work on here for everyone to see. Why would it be too much hassle? It works fine on footballforums with far more members. It'd take about 60 seconds to type out the username, the infractions given and the reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I guess if someone was given the job to do it, it might get done. Things are pretty slack here in comparison to those other forums tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 The amount of time I spend on here anyway i'm not too fussed about taking a few moments whenever I infract someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 The "member departures thread" could just be typed out manually, no need to over complicate it really. Sorry mate, but I'm buggered if I'm updating another thread each time I have to infract. Automation of the information is the only way really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I bet everytime you updated the thread with the latest infraction it would get another thread made about it too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I bet everytime you updated the thread with the latest infraction it would get another thread made about it too! This is the other fear isnt it, we spend so long arguing about infractions as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Yeah public infractions is bull****. Mods going mental. Deppo means no harm and lightens things up. Yet he gets infractions. Alpine destroys the main forum and nothing. Utter ********. He's a ***** isn't he. Infract me sideways. Add some sarcasm too. A thread discussing the wonders of the universe descends into a mod wielding his power to dish out infractions on an Internet forum. Good stuff. It was a sensible thread to discuss a really good programme. I didn't want him clogging it up with his bullsh*t as he does on every thread whether it is the muppet show where it is appropriate or not. And no I didn't report him, I just saw it a minute ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 This is the other fear isnt it, we spend so long arguing about infractions as it is. The solution to that is to have a thread dedicated to infractions so it is confined to one area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Sorry mate, but I'm buggered if I'm updating another thread each time I have to infract. Automation of the information is the only way really How often do you infract people then? Must admit there are a few things which would *technically* be worth infractions which I either edit out or delete entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 How often do you infract people then? Must admit there are a few things which would *technically* be worth infractions which I either edit out or delete entirely. A cynic would suggest that if infractions were made public that Baj would be accused of double standards and so it is in his interest that that doesn't happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 My ideal, I guess, would be to have the thread, but it's updated automatically by a bot. That way people can read it, but we don't have to go to any extra lengths beyond giving the infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 A cynic would suggest that if infractions were made public that Baj would be accused of double standards and so it is in his interest that that doesn't happen... Yawn, would probably bite if I'd not already had lunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 That's a yes then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 That's a yes then. Infraction I've openly stated on the thread that I am in favour of displaying infractions. I am discussing the different methods to apply this, as well as the easiest ways for moderators to maintain the information. Your post is, as always, nothing short of a wind up, and that is why you are getting this infraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 And guess what? Baj gives me an infraction. Again. To my knowledge I have never received an infraction from anyone other than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 And guess what? Baj gives me an infraction. Again. To my knowledge I have never received an infraction from anyone other than him. Probably because he's the one online when the (countless) reports about your posts flood in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Probably because he's the one online when the (countless) reports about your posts flood in. Nothing wrong with most of the infractions I receive, it's the double standards I dislike. Infracting me for something and ignoring everyone else who have done the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 And I can also guess who does the reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 In the interests of openess and transparency, Hypo, Ill list the other 2 infractions that you have had from me in the last SIX MONTHS On my thread about selling a macbook in the buy/sell forum, you said you would buy my macbook for £500 if it had a pubic hair in it. You were infracted for a pointless remark On the thread about "Refusing to sell a season ticket", you referred to another poster as "spastic saint". You were infracted for insulting another member. This, and the two listed above are the only infractions you have received from me since 31st July last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 In the interests of openess and transparency, Hypo, Ill list the other 2 infractions that you have had from me in the last SIX MONTHS On my thread about selling a macbook in the buy/sell forum, you said you would buy my macbook for £500 if it had a pubic hair in it. You were infracted for a pointless remark On the thread about "Refusing to sell a season ticket", you referred to another poster as "spastic saint". You were infracted for insulting another member. This, and the two listed above are the only infractions you have received from me since 31st July last year. Those are my only other two. There are also ones from last year, all from you. As I said, it is not the infractions I mind about, but the double standards of yourself. The macbook comment is an infractional offence sure but then you ignore all the other buy and sell threads full of light hearted comments and even other light hearted comments in that thread itself. Surely infract them all? But no you just infract my comment and leave all the others alone. Spastic saint one is fair enough, but it gets tiring when he constantly follows my posts referring to me in most things he writes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 And I can also guess who does the reporting. Considering your proficient use of the "report post" button, usually because you simply just don't like the person who's posted, I really wouldn't be complaining about people reporting your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Spastic saint one is fair enough, but it gets tiring when he constantly follows my posts referring to me in most things he writes. I know how you feel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 In the interests of openess and transparency, Hypo, Ill list the other 2 infractions that you have had from me in the last SIX MONTHS On my thread about selling a macbook in the buy/sell forum, you said you would buy my macbook for £500 if it had a pubic hair in it. You were infracted for a pointless remark On the thread about "Refusing to sell a season ticket", you referred to another poster as "spastic saint". You were infracted for insulting another member. This, and the two listed above are the only infractions you have received from me since 31st July last year. Which is quite a useful demonstration of how public reporting of infractions can work. At least it might stop the victim mentality. I'm a little agnostic on it, to be honest. A bit of give and take around the rules is desirable, i'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Surely infract them all? But no you just infract my comment and leave all the others alone. How do you know we "leave all the others alone"? You have no way of knowing whether a user's been given an infraction unless that person reveals it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 How do you know we "leave all the others alone"? You have no way of knowing whether a user's been given an infraction unless that person reveals it themselves. Read the posts by saint stevo. Baj himself also confirmed it to be the case in the thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28044-Macbook-for-sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Out of sheer idle curiosity, roughly how many infractions are issued, say, every week on average? A handful? Dozens? Hundreds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 I know how you feel... Clearly not the case though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2011 Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Considering your proficient use of the "report post" button, usually because you simply just don't like the person who's posted, I really wouldn't be complaining about people reporting your posts. Who have I reported other than deppo and the other idiot? In fact, how many people have I actually reported in the last 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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