Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 A win against Oldham would have seen us in the play-offs - instead it was 0-0. That was a pressure game. A win in some of crap away defeats would have done it too. A win against Swindon at home....there are loads of games when we really needed a win and didn't get it. Because the task was too tall. No club is going to win all of their games,take Man U as a reference,best there is in the UK but they still draw games and lose the odd one.You cannot ask players to win 8/9/10 games in a row,it's not about bottling it but rather about recovering enough from performance after performance. We didn't have a massive,homogeneous squad to fall back on, Morgan and Deano got injured and suspended from time to time and the cover wasn't good enough.What is more we were playing on 3 fronts until February and then on 2 until the end of March.Too much was asked of the players that's all but they put in a fantastic stint and kept our hopes alive for a long,long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Top! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 Top two, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 But the odds are lengthening. We were about 4/1 on,now it's only about 2/1 on or even 9/4 on.Another defeat will probably have us into the even money region. that's what I'm waiting for. Defeat today and then the odds will be taken just before we embark on a ten game winning run. Time for bed me thinks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 Under Pardew we would have been 10 points clear and walked this league..no problem.. Under Adkins we are going to get promoted in a much more difficult route... End product will be the same....nerves will suffer but CCC here we come... WIFM 3 points after a 3-0 win today...please Nigel, pull your finger out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 1st, without a doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 probably much the same, maybe 3 or 4 points worse off, maybe 3 or 4 better off. Think Adkins fits in better for united club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 Even with -10 we should have made the play offs. Pardew's side started poorly this season and whilst they undoubtably would have picked up, dont think it would have picked up much more that NA's side has done. So I reckon we'd have been pretty much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 well, pardew lost at colchester last season...so Neeeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 Top, its Parr-dooos team Adkins has that excuse to fall back on if you blow it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 5 March, 2011 Share Posted 5 March, 2011 well, pardew lost at colchester last season...so Neeeer That was Pardew's internal thoughts coming out in the post match interview. "We played two big central defenders because of the threat of their big target men." But they went and played a couple of diddy forwards who just had too much mobility, still too late to change then Alan, hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 I don't think there is much between Adkins and Pardew. Tactically I thought Pardew was left groping in fresh air too many times but he had other qualities. With no previous history and we were considering the two for manager, I would not mind either. Pardew was rightly sacked because he fooked up pre season, that cost us a load of points whether Pardew stayed or Adkins came in. That was a sheite fest that took a long time to clean up and IMO why we are not above Brighton at this moment. I doubt Pardew will make that mistake again, it's done and we have to live with it. Utter cobblers. We were mugged by Plymouth and just over a week later slammed Bristol Rovers away 4-0. Three games, four points. Not brilliant but not a disaster either. When he left we had a game in hand to go seventh after four games... There was no problem with the team. Adkins won his first game FFS, that's how hard it was to turn around. There was no mess, nothing wrong at all when Pardew went, other than we lost our first game. And guess what? It wasn't to Rochdale at home or Wallfeckingsall away! Good luck with the Booker prize... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Adkins had defeat then draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Come on lads, it's impossible to say. Let's put all this crap to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 I think we would be in a pretty similar place under Pardew, or perhaps slightly worse, we are doing better away from home under Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Adkins is a terrible manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 I think we would be in a pretty similar place under Pardew, or perhaps slightly worse, we are doing better away from home under Adkins. I think both managers are within a gnat's c o ck of each other. But I reckon we would be higher in the league under Pardew because he bought the players and built the team. He knows them (had at least a season with them). Even if he wasn't really paying attention, he has a season's worth of experience to use, whereas Adkins is starting all over again. For me this is not a question of who the better manager is - but where we would be without the turmoil and wasted opportunity of the three games while Wilkins was gifting the remainder of the league a nine point advantage.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 (edited) IF everything in the garden had been rosy then no doubt we would have walked this League. But it wasn't. There was friction between AP & NC and an entire close & pre-season did not resolve that situation. That was a fault of NC as he was one of the parties to whatever breakdown in relationship occurred, But it was also a fault of AP who could have accepted whatever conflict was occuring and worked within it. So with ML still around at the time NC wasn't going to be fired. AP held his ground or principles or whatever else happened and there was a clear conflict. So IF AP had stayed that would have eaten away like a cancer, ergo he could not stay, ergo any comparison or If Only scenario is flawed from the beginning. IF AP had stayed in that situation I personally do not believe we would even be in the play off places. AP would have lasted another month or two and still been fired. That's reality IMHO. In La La land where everything stayed rosy & NC listened when having a conversation with anyone, we'd have been top Edited 6 March, 2011 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 IF everything in the garden had been rosy then no doubt we would have walked this League. But it wasn't. There was friction between AP & NC and an entire close & pre-season did not resolve that situation. That was a fault of NC as he was one of the parties to whatever breakdown in relationship occurred, But it was also a fault of AP who could have accepted whatever conflict was occuring and worked within it. So with ML still around at the time NC wasn't going to be fired. AP held his ground or principles or whatever else happened and there was a clear conflict. So IF AP had stayed that would have eaten away like a cancer, ergo he could not stay, ergo any comparison or If Only scenario is flawed from the beginning. IF AP had stayed in that situation I personally do not believe we would even be in the play off places. AP would have lasted another month or two and still been fired. That's reality IMHO. In La La land where everything stayed rosy & NC listened when having a conversation with anyone, we'd have been top Good call Phil - but I don't think that scenario would be a fair reflection of the two managers. What you're really saying is that the outcomes are shaped by the Chairman's support (or not) of the man in the saddle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Good call Phil - but I don't think that scenario would be a fair reflection of the two managers. What you're really saying is that the outcomes are shaped by the Chairman's support (or not) of the man in the saddle... Lol isn't that the most blatantly obvious post ever :-) the outcomes are shaped by the Chairman's support (or not) of the man in the saddle Let's just revisit our recent past Souness not backed Dave Jones (difficult position but had to leave as it wasn't good to back him) 'Arry - well, C'mon let's face it he's pretty rubbish at Spuds Pearson Go elsewhere and you could add in Jose at Chelsea etc etc etc Being a successful MANAGER in ANY type of job is about TWO way role - you manage your employees for sure, but you MUST also manage your manager. AP - Nicko I need to buy a Centre Forward for 1mil - a year ago - no problemo Al baby. This summer? 'Arry to Rupes in the pL - I need to buy a CB - no way you dodgy peice of poopey slime go ask SCW. If the relationship is BAD then it affects the performance of the manager - players don't like their boss - they won't play for him. "He loses the dressing room" It ain't rocket science to understand that the same happens up the chain. NC is a single minded focused wants success at costs man. Does NOT mean he is not a complete c**k to work for. I'm sure MANY on here have seen their performance drop off in a job somewhere simply becausse they couldn't manage their manager, often through no fault of their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Cortese is a terrible chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 If the relationship is BAD then it affects the performance of the manager - players don't like their boss - they won't play for him. "He loses the dressing room" It ain't rocket science to understand that the same happens up the chain. NC is a single minded focused wants success at costs man. Does NOT mean he is not a complete c**k to work for. I'm sure MANY on here have seen their performance drop off in a job somewhere simply becausse they couldn't manage their manager, often through no fault of their own Don't think they have to like him, just respect him. One of the things that people like Cortese often fail to understand - in my very amateur assessment of him - and that Lowe definitely failed to understand, is that there is no 'right way' to manage a football team. Just look at Fergie vs Mourinho vs Wenger - you could not find three more different headmasters. Fergie - the man you fear like no other and perform because you have to prove yourself week in and week out. You know he will back you today and drop you tomorrow without a second thought. Jose - your pal in the staff room. He will fight for you, is one of you. It's you and him against the world. Arsene - the professor. The man in whom you place your faith because of his apparent knowledge, which you occasionnaly question because it fails to deliver the result you were expecting, but then you fall right in behind again... Now. How would Cortese or Lowe manage these men? My guess, they couldn't. Just like Lowe could not accept Arry is a cheque-book manager but with an exemplary record, albeit with a chequered personal history around cash... I don't believe that Pardew's relationship with Cortese affected his performance, but I do believe managers will deliberately change the way their team performs to make a point. Case in point is Arry losing at Southend with a team full of kids... He knew what he was doing and the point he was making. With Pardew I think Cortese found a man who was not willing to roll over. He (Pardew) knew better because he's been there and done it. In Adkins, we have a manager in his first big job. That doesn't make him better for the club in the long run. It makes him better for Cortese. He's not going to argue over cash for a player is he? I bet there isn't a week goes by mind when the Manchester United board don't wish that they didn't have a manager who has won so much for them that he's unfireable. Equally, I bet there's not a week goes by when they don't thank their lucky stars they have him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 I think both managers are within a gnat's c o ck of each other. But I reckon we would be higher in the league under Pardew because he bought the players and built the team. He knows them (had at least a season with them). Even if he wasn't really paying attention, he has a season's worth of experience to use, whereas Adkins is starting all over again. For me this is not a question of who the better manager is - but where we would be without the turmoil and wasted opportunity of the three games while Wilkins was gifting the remainder of the league a nine point advantage.... I completely agree with all of that, but I still believed he deserved the sack. Why, because you can only make so many fook ups that it becomes very difficult to factor in how many more you have left in your locker. Cortese and Pardew had a head on clash over the priority for the team that first season. When Cortese says the league is the top, top priority only to find Pardew comes out in the programme notes to say the cup is the top priority, that is major. In any other business your job is immediately on the line. Cortese without doubt was upset about this, but weighed up all the good and the bad of Pardew to believe he was the best man to take us forward. When the issue of pre-season training raised it's head, Cortese allowed Pardew to manage as he wanted, even though senior figures within the club structure said the training methods were doing more harm than good. Come the strart of the season we could all see something was not right, with many of those who watched the Bristol Rovers win saying don't be fooled by this performance, we still have a lot of issues. From Cortese's point of view he will have weighed all of this up and come to his own conclusions, can I trust Pardew to do the best for the club? With two monumentals such as this, it would be a major surprise for anyone to stick with him. Throw in the small detail of Pardew stating after the Bolton league cup game, "this was not a priority, but we treated it as such anyway". If Cortese had any doubts, that would certainly of made his decision very clear. Cortese knew full well the impact that sacking Pardew would have on the short term and commented on that at the time of making the decision. The trust between Cortese and Pardew had now gone completely, with Cortese wondering what next. Pardew made two major fook ups that either could result in the sack. All trust between the manager and CEO had now broken down and Pardew has no one to blame but himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 I completely agree with all of that, but I still believed he deserved the sack. Why, because you can only make so many fook ups that it becomes very difficult to factor in how many more you have left in your locker. Cortese and Pardew had a head on clash over the priority for the team that first season. When Cortese says the league is the top, top priority only to find Pardew comes out in the programme notes to say the cup is the top priority, that is major. In any other business your job is immediately on the line. Cortese without doubt was upset about this, but weighed up all the good and the bad of Pardew to believe he was the best man to take us forward. When the issue of pre-season training raised it's head, Cortese allowed Pardew to manage as he wanted, even though senior figures within the club structure said the training methods were doing more harm than good. Come the strart of the season we could all see something was not right, with many of those who watched the Bristol Rovers win saying don't be fooled by this performance, we still have a lot of issues. From Cortese's point of view he will have weighed all of this up and come to his own conclusions, can I trust Pardew to do the best for the club? With two monumentals such as this, it would be a major surprise for anyone to stick with him. Throw in the small detail of Pardew stating after the Bolton league cup game, "this was not a priority, but we treated it as such anyway". If Cortese had any doubts, that would certainly of made his decision very clear. Cortese knew full well the impact that sacking Pardew would have on the short term and commented on that at the time of making the decision. The trust between Cortese and Pardew had now gone completely, with Cortese wondering what next. Pardew made two major fook ups that either could result in the sack. All trust between the manager and CEO had now broken down and Pardew has no one to blame but himself. The challenge here for me is this: 1. Whatever problems people believe existed at the start of the season, haven't gone away under Adkins. We're still inconsistent, a number of our players look unfit or at least slovenly and results are more or less the same. You say Bristol Rovers was flattering, but to me so was Swindon, so I think it's best just to focus on results. And the results are pretty much knock for knock. 2. I don't think you can only blame one party when a relationship breaks down. In the case of Cortese, he must back his manager if he appoints him. Even if there are a string of people at his door complaining. That's the basis of successful leadership. If his manager speaks out against him (and I don't believe it was as black and white as people make out), then they have to settle this behind closed doors. I happen to think that Pardew was right - we needed to learn how to win, to feel victory and that the cup was able to give a lift to the whole club - I don't recall Markus looking upset at Wembley... But that's just me. I'm not convinced it cost us anything in the league. Promotion from -10 was a massive ask and in 20 cases of clubs deducted points (even as few as three) only one has ever been promoted. We simply couldn't afford to lose games. But I agree with you 100%, having lost trust in Pardew, Cortese should have acted in June. If we don't go up, the only person to blame will be Cortese and not, as so many keep assuming, Adkins. Adkins results are as good as you could expect from a League One quality manager in his first big job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 If we fail to go up again then the person who must take ultimate responsibility is Cortese. Adkins is obviously a good manager, if he less successful here than at S****horpe then the Leibherrs have to ask why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Cortese is a terrible chairman. honestly think he is the best one we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 All hypothetical so I don't know and don't care - pointless thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 All hypothetical so I don't know and don't care - pointless thread. 99% of these threads are hypothetical unless we started to pick the team, tactics and appoint the manager since I last checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 18th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 All hypothetical so I don't know and don't care - pointless thread. You're right we should only discuss things on these boards we have control over as fans like ehhh.... ummm.......... pretty much nothing really................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 The challenge here for me is this: 1. Whatever problems people believe existed at the start of the season, haven't gone away under Adkins. We're still inconsistent, a number of our players look unfit or at least slovenly and results are more or less the same. You say Bristol Rovers was flattering, but to me so was Swindon, so I think it's best just to focus on results. And the results are pretty much knock for knock. 2. I don't think you can only blame one party when a relationship breaks down. In the case of Cortese, he must back his manager if he appoints him. Even if there are a string of people at his door complaining. That's the basis of successful leadership. If his manager speaks out against him (and I don't believe it was as black and white as people make out), then they have to settle this behind closed doors. I happen to think that Pardew was right - we needed to learn how to win, to feel victory and that the cup was able to give a lift to the whole club - I don't recall Markus looking upset at Wembley... But that's just me. I'm not convinced it cost us anything in the league. Promotion from -10 was a massive ask and in 20 cases of clubs deducted points (even as few as three) only one has ever been promoted. We simply couldn't afford to lose games. But I agree with you 100%, having lost trust in Pardew, Cortese should have acted in June. If we don't go up, the only person to blame will be Cortese and not, as so many keep assuming, Adkins. Adkins results are as good as you could expect from a League One quality manager in his first big job. Taking your original point, if we had started with Adkins we would have theoretically been so many points better off and right up there with Brighton. Just as I accept this could well have been the case with Pardew. In this particular case I can lay no blame with Cortese. You say he should have been sacked in June, the problem is that he had one section of the staff saying one thing and Pardew saying another. Pardew would have obviously said things will sort themselves out come the start of the season and who is Cortese to believe? He stuck with the manager until it was as clear as day he had buggered up and the rest was history. Cortese never insisted we made the play off's, just that it was given the top priority. Now when Pardew went into print in the Pompey programme, stating he had prioritised the cups it all came out from Cortese in the planned Solent interview the Pompey weekend. Cortese made it very clear that all the players bought in January were to maximise our efforts in getting into those play offs, nothing else. You can go into the rights or wrongs of what Pardew did, but to state it in print like that was particularly dumb. In a way I am grateful Markus got to see something special before passing, otherwise I was of the same mind as Cortese over the cups. You are correct in that there does not seem much between Adkins and Pardew, but Pardew had a 30 goal striker in his team, not some buggered up crock that he left for Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 6 March, 2011 Share Posted 6 March, 2011 Taking your original point, if we had started with Adkins we would have theoretically been so many points better off and right up there with Brighton. Just as I accept this could well have been the case with Pardew. In this particular case I can lay no blame with Cortese. You say he should have been sacked in June, the problem is that he had one section of the staff saying one thing and Pardew saying another. Pardew would have obviously said things will sort themselves out come the start of the season and who is Cortese to believe? He stuck with the manager until it was as clear as day he had buggered up and the rest was history. Cortese never insisted we made the play off's, just that it was given the top priority. Now when Pardew went into print in the Pompey programme, stating he had prioritised the cups it all came out from Cortese in the planned Solent interview the Pompey weekend. Cortese made it very clear that all the players bought in January were to maximise our efforts in getting into those play offs, nothing else. You can go into the rights or wrongs of what Pardew did, but to state it in print like that was particularly dumb. In a way I am grateful Markus got to see something special before passing, otherwise I was of the same mind as Cortese over the cups. You are correct in that there does not seem much between Adkins and Pardew, but Pardew had a 30 goal striker in his team, not some buggered up crock that he left for Adkins. We'll neverf know the ins an outs but I'm not convinced Rickie is a crock. Pardew played direct often and that plays to Lambert's strengths. In Adkins team he seems to sit deeper and just doesn't get the ball in the same sort of places. That's why I liked the 4-5-1, it plays to Rickie's strengths. The tippy-tappy approach Adkins favours does not suit Lambert. He's not a mobile striker, even last season. Although I readily accept he doesn't look right. Is that fitness/injury? And how does Pardew carry the blame eight months on? I also don't see how you can say it was clear as day Pardew had buggered up? Buggered up what? We started against Plymouth like we finished the season but Hammond missed a sitter as did Harding... if those go in we could have won that game 3-4-0... we didn't. We were mugged. Two weeks later we had run Birmingham to within a kick of a replay and then thumped Bristol. Those four games under Pardew were no different to how we're playing now as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure what Pardew is supposed to have done wrong? Other than a lot of innuendo and people complaining we wasted pre-season - which may or may not be the case. If it is, why has Adkins not rectified whatever Pardew did? I also think you're being kind to Cortese. The timing of his decision to fire Pardew was crass. I imagine there are a string of managers fired after winning 4-0 away from home...!! Any Chairman who fires a manager four games into a season just as the transfer window closes must surely be considered naive at best?? The only reason I think we would have had more points under Pardew is quite simply that he built the team. The players came in to play in one of his two formations. In October last year when Pardew had assembled his squad we scored 17 goals. There were 6 games. In Adkins first 6 games we scored 6 goals. I know that's pretty rudimentary maths but it does kind of demonstrate that it took Adkins a while to find his feet and get us playing his way - which had Pardew been here we most likely wouldn't have needed. I do agree with you, however. Had Adkins been here from June we could equally be much further up the table. I'm convinced we would be. Which is why the blame really does have to sit with the Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 The challenge here for me is this: 1. Whatever problems people believe existed at the start of the season, haven't gone away under Adkins. We're still inconsistent, a number of our players look unfit or at least slovenly and results are more or less the same. You say Bristol Rovers was flattering, but to me so was Swindon, so I think it's best just to focus on results. And the results are pretty much knock for knock. 2. I don't think you can only blame one party when a relationship breaks down. In the case of Cortese, he must back his manager if he appoints him. Even if there are a string of people at his door complaining. That's the basis of successful leadership. If his manager speaks out against him (and I don't believe it was as black and white as people make out), then they have to settle this behind closed doors. I happen to think that Pardew was right - we needed to learn how to win, to feel victory and that the cup was able to give a lift to the whole club - I don't recall Markus looking upset at Wembley... But that's just me. I'm not convinced it cost us anything in the league. Promotion from -10 was a massive ask and in 20 cases of clubs deducted points (even as few as three) only one has ever been promoted. We simply couldn't afford to lose games. But I agree with you 100%, having lost trust in Pardew, Cortese should have acted in June. If we don't go up, the only person to blame will be Cortese and not, as so many keep assuming, Adkins. Adkins results are as good as you could expect from a League One quality manager in his first big job. This is so wrong in so many ways but lets just deal with one point. The simple fact is that under Pardew we were hovering around the relegation zone. How can the results be the same!!!!!! But the most most important things is that Alan Pardew has nothing absolutely nothing to do with this football club. Why are we discussing him on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 It's academic of course, because AP was clearly thoroughly fed up with many things before he was sacked. Certainly, he lacked the dynamic involvement on the pitchside during matches that he had when he first came here. His body language during his last matches was of a defeated man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Up and Away has written a lot of sense on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 This is so wrong in so many ways but lets just deal with one point. The simple fact is that under Pardew we were hovering around the relegation zone. How can the results be the same!!!!!! But the most most important things is that Alan Pardew has nothing absolutely nothing to do with this football club. Why are we discussing him on here? After 3 whole matches...... I don't know but your keeping the thread alive so good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Let's be honest. The defeat at home to argyle was every much a disgrace as the away defeat to walsall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 (edited) This is so wrong in so many ways but lets just deal with one point. The simple fact is that under Pardew we were hovering around the relegation zone. How can the results be the same!!!!!! But the most most important things is that Alan Pardew has nothing absolutely nothing to do with this football club. Why are we discussing him on here? Really? Pardew was fired after three games. At that point we were 14th with a plus 3 goal difference. We had a game in hand on Bournemouth in 5th - on plus 6 goal difference. At worst had we won our game in hand we would have been 6th. Brighton were on seven points having played one game more. So tell me, how has the situation improved?? What bugs me about the internet is that facts are readily available to anyone but only some of us bother to use them... and they're FREE. To anyone. No really they are... even 'simple ones'. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2010-2011/table/2010-08-28 (As to why discuss Pardew, it's the fecking internet and I didn't ask you to join in did I??) Edited 7 March, 2011 by Legod Third Coming crap keybopard! See! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Let's be honest. The defeat at home to argyle was every much a disgrace as the away defeat to walsall Totally agree. If I had my way the players would be horse whipped through the city centre after every defeat as punishment................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 March, 2011 Share Posted 7 March, 2011 Let's be honest. The defeat at home to argyle was every much a disgrace as the away defeat to walsall I agree with that DD. However you cut it, we should be beating teams with a fraction of our resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 8 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 8 March, 2011 Interesting reactions to thoughts of a fan from another team. I'll let him know it was a 50-50 split between better/worse off shall I? For my part, isn't being a socc...sorry football fan (it's living in Melbourne that's making me say that obnoxious word) all about hypotheticals, dreams and aspirations for our team? Thread titles are split 50-50 between fact and what if's and lets be honest, a bit of banter about the latter is a whole lot better than the derogatory comments that accompanies many of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken With A Banjo Posted 27 March, 2011 Share Posted 27 March, 2011 Haven't seen this rumour anywhere on this site before but could explain Cortese's original decision. http://talk-of-the-tyne.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=17259 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 March, 2011 Share Posted 27 March, 2011 Haven't seen this rumour anywhere on this site before but could explain Cortese's original decision. http://talk-of-the-tyne.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=17259 Blimey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 March, 2011 Share Posted 27 March, 2011 Haven't seen this rumour anywhere on this site before but could explain Cortese's original decision. http://talk-of-the-tyne.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=17259 What a load of ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 27 March, 2011 Share Posted 27 March, 2011 I agree with that DD. However you cut it, we should be beating teams with a fraction of our resources. Never thought i would say it but i agree with DD also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 March, 2011 Share Posted 27 March, 2011 Just a thought and forgive me if it's already been brought up but my Forest mate reckons we were mad to have gotten rid of him. Says we'd be in the auto prom places if he was in charge. Have to say, I'm wondering if he might be right. 53% win ratio at Saints, best of his career. I think we'd be in almost exactly the same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I think we'd be in almost exactly the same position. So do I, although we would be nine points better off... Not because of Pardew but because we most likely would have won the games that Wilkins lost. That's just common sense... As for the idea he is paying off a gamblng debt by working for Ashley.... Did I tell you about the time I found a double decker bus on the moon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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