Adkins: "There is scope to dip into the loan market"

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

The players we signed in Jan were to address our lack of pace and to give us cover in areas we were short. Since N'Guessan has played some good/bad/indifferent games for us (having not had much game time at Leicester recently) and Forte is injured it's difficult to say how good they are.

 

Suffice to say it'll take a LITTLE bit of time to see how they fit in... rather than writing both of them off on the basis of minimal time on the pitch.

 

I think the issue is that people hadn't heard of these players before... which is a pretty **** reason to decide they aren't good enough at this level.

[Whitey Grandad]

What we needed was a midfield general, as has been mooted elsewhere.

[SaintRichmond]

Indeed. Below is taken from the UI site, like with most things on the internet i am not 100% sure of its accuracy but the poster is well known and respected and has been involved in proffesional football himself, make of this what you will but might explain a lot.

 

"You have to question the way we negotiate for players, we saw it last season as well.

The only success we really had has come via a panel which decides a fair price..ie Richardson / Dickson.

These players are disaffected with their clubs and wanted away.

 

We even got a taste of our negotiating tactics when trying to agree compo for Adkins.

Atkins was ADVISED if he resigned there would be no compensation to haggle over.

Who advised him ????? Certainly not his agent, and certainly not anyone from S****horpe. If you remember Adkins refused to do so out of respect for his old club.

So it had to come from someone here at SFC.

 

We also have the example of Matt Philips from Wycombe. After an initial approach Wycombe were infuriated at our "derisory offer". Then an improved offer was tabled, which caused the chairman of Wycombe to refuse to answer the phone to our chairman, and all discussion ended there.

Now I am in a position to know exactly what those 2 offers were. £50k, then £54k! The player was sold two weeks later for £254k, plus add ons.

Suggests to me whoever is advising NC how to negotiate, and how to talk to other clubs, doesn't have a clue.

 

The only transfers that went through with any kind of smoothness, without the two clubs falling out were lambert and Fonte.

Pardew negotiated the Lambert deal in it's entirety. Cortese was involved in the background of the Fonte deal, with Pardew again doing the talking.

Since then, all negotiations for players has been the responsibilty of Nicola with Les Reed advising him.

In fact Les Reed advised NC ion the appointment of our present manager and also advised him on the level of compo he should offer.

 

We all remember the bitter complaints from Southend over the Barnard deal and the way they were treated. And again Gillingham refusing to speak to us over the aborted Jackson deal.

Coventry City and WARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to realise what is going on"!

 

 

Say no more

 

I am amazed that Cortese could actually think that Reed is a POSITIVE influence at St Mary's

 

A lot of the "disquiet " triggers from when he arrived

 

Is Cortese too THICK to see that ???

[Window Cleaner]

Pat in his Ugly posts seems to think that we didn't sign CMS from Posh because we didn't offer enough and we wanted 2 players from them and would only deal for the pair.Posh only wanted to sell us one.Now I would assume that the other one was Joe Lewis

which would mean that the replacement of Kelvin was imminent at that time.How that would affect his form is difficult to surmise.

[SaintRichmond]

Indeed. Below is taken from the UI site, like with most things on the internet i am not 100% sure of its accuracy but the poster is well known and respected and has been involved in proffesional football himself, make of this what you will but might explain a lot.

 

"You have to question the way we negotiate for players, we saw it last season as well.

The only success we really had has come via a panel which decides a fair price..ie Richardson / Dickson.

These players are disaffected with their clubs and wanted away.

 

.

 

We also have the example of Matt Philips from Wycombe. After an initial approach Wycombe were infuriated at our "derisory offer". Then an improved offer was tabled, which caused the chairman of Wycombe to refuse to answer the phone to our chairman, and all discussion ended there.

Now I am in a position to know exactly what those 2 offers were. £50k, then £54k! The player was sold two weeks later for £254k, plus add ons.

Suggests to me whoever is advising NC how to negotiate, and how to talk to other clubs, doesn't have a clue.

 

"!

 

Eureka ........ Mystery solved

 

Cortese said £254K, but, it came out as £54K

 

Easy mistake for a non Brit to make

[Turkish]

Pat in his Ugly posts seems to think that we didn't sign CMS from Posh because we didn't offer enough and we wanted 2 players from them and would only deal for the pair.Posh only wanted to sell us one.Now I would assume that the other one was Joe Lewis

which would mean that the replacement of Kelvin was imminent at that time.How that would affect his form is difficult to surmise.

 

The other one was Joe Lewis apparantly. He also said he lives next door to Joe Lewis, make of that what you will.

[Window Cleaner]

The other one was Joe Lewis apparantly. He also said he lives next door to Joe Lewis, make of that what you will.

 

It could well be so, Pat has a boy who's a keeper, I'm not sure that it's not the lad who's at Wycombe now (that's just me just putting 2+2 together and maybe coming up with 6.894) seems to be about the right age and his Grays/Norwich/Eastleigh pedigree would seem about right. We know he lives in East Anglia so why not next door to Joe Lewis.

[SaintRichmond]

Me thinks he doth protest too much! Considering we didn't have a strong Jan transfer window, he is making himself look slightly silly by saying how well he has been supported by chairman and how well financed we are! Sounds to me like he was told there was nothing to spend and make do whilst singing from the Chairmans hymn sheet! I am convinced CMS would be our player if we had wanted him enough! For whatever reason, we didn't spend, now we are paying the price! We aren't strong enough away from home and it will come back to bite us in the arse! Rant over

 

 

Got it in one TTS .....

 

I think that Adkins has got his head shoved so far up Cortese's 'rse, he just can't see what is happening on the pitch

 

We NEEDED Fresh NEW players in January, but we didn't get any

 

If Adkins thinks that is OK, then he is NOT his own man and should F Off

 

Walsall was a defeat which triggered the Grumblers, but if everyone is honest, things have NOT been right for a while, something IS definitely wrong somewhere

 

Long before Pardew left, there were rumours of unrest etc. Well, for my money, things are pretty much the same now behind the scenes

 

I can just imagine Craig Mackail Smith getting a few against us in a Play off match

[david in sweden]

FFS All of you saying Forte hasn't impressed really should hang your heads in shame.

 

Agreed. For some people nothing less than a debut hat-trick is good enough!

.....otherwise they are called sh*t and written off.

[Whitey Grandad]

Agreed. For some people nothing less than a debut hat-trick is good enough!

.....otherwise they are called sh*t and written off.

 

Maybe, but do you think he was the sort of player that we needed, and has he been effective since arriving?

[Turkish]

Maybe, but do you think he was the sort of player that we needed, and has he been effective since arriving?

 

a quick wideman? yes. He's played for about 20 minutes since he's been here, been injured for a large part of it, what sort of impact do you expect?

[Dig Dig]

Maybe, but do you think he was the sort of player that we needed, and has he been effective since arriving?

 

No he's not been effective.......because he is injured

[david in sweden]

Maybe, but do you think he was the sort of player that we needed, and has he been effective since arriving?

 

Uh ..two short sub.appearances, and now he's injured.

Do you think that's enough to make a decision like that ?

[miserableoldgit]

Uh ..two short sub.appearances, and now he's injured.

Do you think that's enough to make a decision like that ?[/QUOTE]

It is for some people. A lot of people on here condemn player before they even sign!

[David Strover]

I seem to remember Guly was '****e' and should be sent back to Italy or Brazil and likewise Papa Wago but that soon changed did it not?...

[doddisalegend]

No he's not been effective.......because he is injured

 

Uh ..two short sub.appearances, and now he's injured.

Do you think that's enough to make a decision like that ?

 

Uh ..two short sub.appearances, and now he's injured.

Do you think that's enough to make a decision like that ?[/QUOTE]

It is for some people. A lot of people on here condemn player before they even sign!

 

Nobody can really judge his playing ability on twenty minutes. More worrying is that his injuried after only twenty miniutes, we've had more than our far share of sicknotes that promise much and then spend most of their time in the treatment room lets hope Forte isn't going to be another one of them.

[Dark Munster]

Me thinks he doth protest too much! Considering we didn't have a strong Jan transfer window, he is making himself look slightly silly by saying how well he has been supported by chairman and how well financed we are! Sounds to me like he was told there was nothing to spend and make do whilst singing from the Chairmans hymn sheet! I am convinced CMS would be our player if we had wanted him enough! For whatever reason, we didn't spend, now we are paying the price! We aren't strong enough away from home and it will come back to bite us in the arse! Rant over

 

I'm having this nightmare that CMS will score the winner against us in the playoff final.

[Dark Munster]

I would hope he is looking hard for a keeper as an injury to Davis would not be a good thing at the moment!

 

Slight understatement. I forecast a disaster if that happens.

[Chez]

We also have the example of Matt Philips from Wycombe. Now I am in a position to know exactly what those 2 offers were. £50k, then £54k! The player was sold two weeks later for £254k, plus add ons.

this can't be true can it? The guy looked the absolute nuts against us.

[hypochondriac]

Indeed. Below is taken from the UI site, like with most things on the internet i am not 100% sure of its accuracy but the poster is well known and respected and has been involved in proffesional football himself, make of this what you will but might explain a lot.

 

"You have to question the way we negotiate for players, we saw it last season as well.

The only success we really had has come via a panel which decides a fair price..ie Richardson / Dickson.

These players are disaffected with their clubs and wanted away.

 

We even got a taste of our negotiating tactics when trying to agree compo for Adkins.

Atkins was ADVISED if he resigned there would be no compensation to haggle over.

Who advised him ????? Certainly not his agent, and certainly not anyone from S****horpe. If you remember Adkins refused to do so out of respect for his old club.

So it had to come from someone here at SFC.

 

We also have the example of Matt Philips from Wycombe. After an initial approach Wycombe were infuriated at our "derisory offer". Then an improved offer was tabled, which caused the chairman of Wycombe to refuse to answer the phone to our chairman, and all discussion ended there.

Now I am in a position to know exactly what those 2 offers were. £50k, then £54k! The player was sold two weeks later for £254k, plus add ons.

Suggests to me whoever is advising NC how to negotiate, and how to talk to other clubs, doesn't have a clue.

 

The only transfers that went through with any kind of smoothness, without the two clubs falling out were lambert and Fonte.

Pardew negotiated the Lambert deal in it's entirety. Cortese was involved in the background of the Fonte deal, with Pardew again doing the talking.

Since then, all negotiations for players has been the responsibilty of Nicola with Les Reed advising him.

In fact Les Reed advised NC ion the appointment of our present manager and also advised him on the level of compo he should offer.

 

We all remember the bitter complaints from Southend over the Barnard deal and the way they were treated. And again Gillingham refusing to speak to us over the aborted Jackson deal.

Coventry City and WARD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to realise what is going on"!

 

That's very enlightening and quite concerning thanks for posting.

[NickG]

and the acccuracy of that poster??!!

 

If its who I think, look at some old "facts" posted to judge.

[SaintRichmond]

Slight understatement. I forecast a disaster if that happens.

 

 

Or a Forecast disaster even

[SaintRichmond]

I'm having this nightmare that CMS will score the winner against us in the playoff final.

 

 

It's in the Runes I tell you

[thorpie the sinner]

and the acccuracy of that poster??!!

 

If its who I think, look at some old "facts" posted to judge.

 

That name Les Reed keeps popping up!! I don't care what anyone says, we f@~cked up the Jan transfer window and now promotion hangs in the balance! Lose today and against Bompey and utomatic promotion is out of reach! For a team who have to get promoted this season (for lots of reasons), the lack of activity was alarming! Forte might be a good player in time, n'guesson too early to tell, but the point is, we needed players who would help now! We ballesed up the opportunity, and we may well pay the price! Even winning I can 't remember he last time we looked like a cohesive side! Sorry for the negativity, but this is being written in the cold light of day with a clear head! We need a new advisor!!

[Turkish]

this can't be true can it? The guy looked the absolute nuts against us.

 

I'm only the messenger but it wouldn't surprise me. Given that Southend, Gilllingham and Coventry were all angry with us for our treatment of them with the bids/transfers of Barnard, Jackson and Ward. Adkins move hit a speed bump because he wouldn't resign etc. Is it just conicidence that the only moves that went through in January were loans, loans become permemnant and one permenant deal for a player S****horpe wanted out? This depsite us apparantly putting in "substancial" bids for players early in the window.

Edited 5 March, 2011 by Turkish

[Whitey Grandad]

Uh ..two short sub.appearances, and now he's injured.

Do you think that's enough to make a decision like that ?

 

Hindsight is wonderful. Let's just hope that he's not 'injury prone'.

[itchen]

I'm only the messenger but it wouldn't surprise me. Given that Southend, Gilllingham and Coventry were all angry with us for our treatment of them with the bids/transfers of Barnard, Jackson and Ward. Adkins move hit a speed bump because he wouldn't resign etc. Is it just conicidence that the only moves that went through in January were loans, loans become permemnant and one permenant deal for a player S****horpe wanted out? This depsite us apparantly putting in "substancial" bids for players early in the window.

 

If we've learned nothing else since our club was brought back from administration, it's that those who claim to be "in the know" quite simply aren't. None of the ITKers thought we'd hang on to AOC or Lallana. None of them knew we were signing any of the players we signed in the last two seasons until the club announced it. And yet whole threads can be kept going because someone said on another message board that one or two other clubs are upset by our negotiating tactics.

 

We're seen by many clubs that are living on much lower incomes as rich. Therefore when we express an interest in player they believe we should pay more and then are upset when we only offer what we think the player is worth. It may be that we sometimes pitch too low but we're hardly unique in that, are we? How many times do you see managers or chairmen of other clubs quoted as saying that team x "made a derisory offer"? It's just a part of football. If we really want a player (and the players wants to come) then we'll pay the market price to get him. But we won't be held to ransom because we're perceived to have loads of dosh.

 

Seems sensible to me.

 

We're upset by the negotiating tactics of Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U when they try to unsettle our players.