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[Baj]

I'm not going to pretend though that the motives for running the forum are entirely selfless

 

Ok, so please clarify for your audience, what benefit do we gain? Your answer will not be taken as slander, I'm just interested in what you suspect we gain from it.

[so22saint]

In the meantime chaps have you tried memcached?

 

Also, I've noticed that the avatar images are served every time somebody hits the page, and served from a php page as well which might be an issue, you might want to utilise browser caching to minimise this - something like:

 

ExpiresActive On

ExpiresByType image/gif "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType image/jpg "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType image/jpeg "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType image/png "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType application/x-javascript "access plus 8 hours"

ExpiresByType application/javascript "access plus 8 hours"

ExpiresByType text/javascript "access plus 8 hours"

ExpiresByType text/css "access plus 8 hours"

 

in whichever conf file you have might help. I say might as the fact that images are coming from image.php worries me, but as the browser will have cached it I would have thought it would work. It would mean that people changing their avatars might not see it for 8 hours - boo hoo? You *might* want to turn off mod_deflate if your server is CPU bound . Do you have any server monitoring installed like "xymon". That could help identify the issue (CPU / IO etc.) - it's proved invaluable in the past to me.

 

Anyway, just trying to be constructive

[hypochondriac]

Ok, so please clarify for your audience, what benefit do we gain? Your answer will not be taken as slander, I'm just interested in what you suspect we gain from it.

 

Well obviously I won't know everything but 'status' is one. Your comments will automatically be seen to hold more weight purely because of you being the admin. Would no doubt help with your job as experience as well. I imagine that admin like Steve wouldn't have been able to get as much 'inside info' than he has done if he hadn't been in charge of this site. I am aware that this is largely down to who you know but the forum will no doubt have played a large part in facilitating that.

 

You are also able to abuse your position and be totally uneven about what you decide to infract or not in secret. I imagine that would give certain admin an amount of satisfaction.

[Thedelldays]

hypo...you are the most ITK...dont worry about the admins...you speak to the bournemouth physio...

[Baj]

Well obviously I won't know everything but 'status' is one. Your comments will automatically be seen to hold more weight purely because of you being the admin. I imagine that admin like Steve wouldn't have been able to get as much 'inside info' than he has done if he hadn't been in charge of this site. I am aware that this is largely down to who you know but the forum will no doubt have played a large part in facilitating that.

 

You are also able to abuse your position and be totally uneven about what you decide to infract or not in secret. I imagine that would give certain admin an amount of satisfaction.

 

So...basically **** all then?

As for comments, I have posted more times on this thread than I have done on the main board as a whole in the last year! My comments mean sod all, and anyone who knows me will know I say "I never comment about saints because I don't know what I'm talking about".

 

So, inside information? Lol, that's a joke. And even if it was true, WOW, that REALLY makes all the effort worth while!

[hypochondriac]

So...basically **** all then?

As for comments, I have posted more times on this thread than I have done on the main board as a whole in the last year! My comments mean sod all, and anyone who knows me will know I say "I never comment about saints because I don't know what I'm talking about".

 

So, inside information? Lol, that's a joke. And even if it was true, WOW, that REALLY makes all the effort worth while!

 

I notice you didn't comment on the satisfaction derived from abusing your power. It must be that which makes it worthwhile.

[hypochondriac]

hypo...you are the most ITK...dont worry about the admins...you speak to the bournemouth physio...

 

Way to take a comment totally out of context.

[Baj]

I notice you didn't comment on the satisfaction derived from abusing your power. It must be that which makes it worthwhile.

 

Yeah, thats the real reason for me doing it isnt it! **** me you're dull. As I said earlier, i'd really hate to live in your world

[Gingeletiss]

Hypo, it's been said before, so a quick reminder.....you really are a prize pratt, you post to annoy.

[hypochondriac]

Yeah, thats the real reason for me doing it isnt it! **** me you're dull. As I said earlier, i'd really hate to live in your world

 

You don't know me and I did ask to leave it but you continued so don't talk to me about being dull. Seriously do you not think that a similar version of this forum would not spring up in the next few days if this was shut down permanently tonight? And do you not think there would be a queue of people willing to do the job that you do? Why do you think that is if it such a thankless and horrible task?

[Baj]

You don't know me and I did ask to leave it but you continued so don't talk to me about being dull. Seriously do you not think that a similar version of this forum would not spring up in the next few days if this was shut down permanently tonight? And do you not think there would be a queue of people willing to do the job that you do? Why do you think that is if it such a thankless and horrible task?

 

See now you're just making yourself look a bit silly. Where did I ever say another forum wouldnt spring up?

[hypochondriac]

See now you're just making yourself look a bit silly. Where did I ever say another forum wouldnt spring up?

 

So do you or do you not think there would be a queue of people willing to fill your shoes if you decided to step down and advertised on here?

[Baj]

So do you or do you not think there would be a queue of people willing to fill your shoes if you decided to step down and advertised on here?

When did I say there wouldnt be...

[JustMike]

Hypo....maybe a queue of people would form to set one up but I bet they wouldnt stick around for as long and put up with as much **** as this place serves up.

[hypochondriac]

When did I say there wouldnt be...

 

And so don't try to pretend you are some sort of selfless martyr doing everything for no reward. There must be some benefits if so many are willing to do it.

[hypochondriac]

Hypo....maybe a queue of people would form to set one up but I bet they wouldnt stick around for as long and put up with as much **** as this place serves up.

 

Keith stuck around for years. Even when someone cut his phone line. Thanks for replying sensibly by the way and not just resorting to the usual senseless insults.

[once_bitterne]

Havent they just got someone on there who threatened to ban people?

 

Not really people, just Stu. Other than that it's been going for over a decade with one one banning, and that was a Skate.

[JustMike]

Keith stuck around for years. Even when someone cut his phone line. Thanks for replying sensibly by the way and not just resorting to the usual senseless insults.

 

yes, one man! Then Baj / Steve took over, there was no queue of people, just 2. Yes there are alternatives and always will be, no one forces you to spend 41.666666p a month on this.

[Baj]

And so don't try to pretend you are some sort of selfless martyr doing everything for no reward. There must be some benefits if so many are willing to do it.

 

and what is that? Come on, you've came up with some twaddle about being ITK and "having power", both of which arent true. Do you want me to tell you about midnight calls to my house, having to go to the police on occasions, filing harrsement suits, being threatened, calls to my wife. Yeah, THAT is why I think I have cause to perhaps say its not all fun and games. Yes I reserve the right to ***** and moan, especially when i have to deal with people like you. Perhaps you should go on to this thread http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28608-I-m-getting-bummed and tell those people they should never moan, at least they have a job.

 

You sir, are an idiot. I dont mean that in an insulting way, I'm being purely observational

[hypochondriac]

yes, one man! Then Baj / Steve took over, there was no queue of people, just 2. Yes there are alternatives and always will be, no one forces you to spend 41.666666p a month on this.

 

No one else was asked.

[JustMike]

No one else was asked.

 

and you know this because....?

[saint_stevo]

In the meantime chaps have you tried memcached?

 

Also, I've noticed that the avatar images are served every time somebody hits the page, and served from a php page as well which might be an issue, you might want to utilise browser caching to minimise this - something like:

 

ExpiresActive On

ExpiresByType image/gif "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType image/jpg "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType image/jpeg "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType image/png "access plus 3 hours"

ExpiresByType application/x-javascript "access plus 8 hours"

ExpiresByType application/javascript "access plus 8 hours"

ExpiresByType text/javascript "access plus 8 hours"

ExpiresByType text/css "access plus 8 hours"

 

in whichever conf file you have might help. I say might as the fact that images are coming from image.php worries me, but as the browser will have cached it I would have thought it would work. It would mean that people changing their avatars might not see it for 8 hours - boo hoo? You *might* want to turn off mod_deflate if your server is CPU bound . Do you have any server monitoring installed like "xymon". That could help identify the issue (CPU / IO etc.) - it's proved invaluable in the past to me.

 

Anyway, just trying to be constructive

 

Pretty sure they tried this a while back....

 

Sorry to detract from the Hypo show

[Saint Billy]

Has anyone ever seen the movie 'Falling Down' with Michael Douglas?

 

I have the feeling hypo is on the verge of one of those moments.

 

Btw, thankyou Baj and Steve, I for one apprectiate your time and efforts....cheers guys.

[Deppo]

I, for one, would bloody love it if hypochondriac set up a forum. Imagine what he'd be like if he actually had some sort of (albeit meaningless) power? He'd be more hilarious than he is on here as self-appointed guardian of the internet.

[hypochondriac]

and what is that? Come on, you've came up with some twaddle about being ITK and "having power", both of which arent true. Do you want me to tell you about midnight calls to my house, having to go to the police on occasions, filing harrsement suits, being threatened, calls to my wife. Yeah, THAT is why I think I have cause to perhaps say its not all fun and games. Yes I reserve the right to ***** and moan, especially when i have to deal with people like you. Perhaps you should go on to this thread http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28608-I-m-getting-bummed and tell those people they should never moan, at least they have a job.

 

You sir, are an idiot. I dont mean that in an insulting way, I'm being purely observational

 

Erm I only have your word that that isnt true. There is a sense of superiority you get from being the admin of the 'largest saints forum'. Ask the mods why they applied for their jobs on here. Of course it isn't all fun and games but to pretend it is entirely selfless is just lying to yourself. Now you are just trying to bring other issues into it (where have I ever said you cannot moan? Or that people losing their jobs shouldn't moan?)

 

Your online persona sir always have been and always will be arrogant, patronising, vindictive and aggressive and I mean that in both an insulting and an observational sense.

 

I would hope that you are not like that in real life but sadly Barrie from some of the things I have heard it seems you can be.

[JustMike]

Because they weren't and even if they were (which they weren't) the vacancies weren't advertised to the forum in general so it wasn't like they were the only 2 people willing to do it.

 

so, you really think, despite all the grief Keith got, that there would be a queue of people willing to take it over? I remember people at the time offering their help but wouldnt commit anywhere as much as Steve and Baj do.

[JustMike]

And that's fine that you think that but then I'm not the admin of the forum seeking to win eternal gratitude from my fellow poster.

 

 

It is hard not to think that when you read some of your posts, not just on this thread but others over a long period of time. Just think at times you need to wind it in a bit

[hypochondriac]

so, you really think, despite all the grief Keith got, that there would be a queue of people willing to take it over? I remember people at the time offering their help but wouldnt commit anywhere as much as Steve and Baj do.

 

Yes I really do think there would be a number of people willing to do it. I know this because a forum very similar to this would be set up should this one be wound up. It is also likely that it would be half decent because almost every half decent sized club has a good fans forum.

[JustMike]

Yes I really do think there would be a number of people willing to do it. I know this because a forum very similar to this would be set up should this one be wound up. It is also likely that it would be half decent because almost every half decent sized club has a good fans forum.

 

and if it got half the **** that this does, would they stick it out too? I know I wouldn't.

[hypochondriac]

It is hard not to think that when you read some of your posts, not just on this thread but others over a long period of time. Just think at times you need to wind it in a bit

 

TBH I don't care what people think of me on here. 90% of the time I am having a laugh and use this as a distraction. Very rarely do I actually get personally abusive towards people and it's quite amusing to watch the same few posters falling over themselves to swear or throw insults in my direction purely because their views differ to mine.

[hypochondriac]

and if it got half the **** that this does, would they stick it out too? I know I wouldn't.

 

How do other fans forums cope?

[suewhistle]

Though I do not think the act of running the forum is entirely selfless or without reward,

 

I think you're accusing him of being a masochist?

 

Whatever, a very sad thread.

[benjii]

Yes I really do think there would be a number of people willing to do it. I know this because a forum very similar to this would be set up should this one be wound up. It is also likely that it would be half decent because almost every half decent sized club has a good fans forum.

 

I agree.

 

And on the forum there would be loads of decent folk and one or two completely insufferable, block-headed budgies.

[Deppo]

hypo, why don't you just use the report function and report Baj and stevegrant for being bad at running forums?

[dune]

I think you're accusing him of being a masochist?

 

mas·och·ism   /ˈmæsəˌkɪzəm, ˈmæz-/ Show Spelled

[mas-uh-kiz-uhm, maz-]

 

–noun

1. Psychiatry . the condition in which sexual gratification depends on suffering, physical pain, and humiliation.

2. gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, especially the tendency to seek this form of gratification.

3. the act of turning one's destructive tendencies inward or upon oneself.

4. the tendency to find pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.

 

Crikey.

[JustMike]

How do other fans forums cope?

 

i am guessing they dont get anywhere near as much grief as our lot has had! hard lot to please saints fans are

[Baj]

mas·och·ism   /ˈmæsəˌkɪzəm, ˈmæz-/ Show Spelled

[mas-uh-kiz-uhm, maz-]

 

–noun

1. Psychiatry . the condition in which sexual gratification depends on suffering, physical pain, and humiliation.

2. gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, especially the tendency to seek this form of gratification.

3. the act of turning one's destructive tendencies inward or upon oneself.

4. the tendency to find pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.

 

Crikey.

 

Ok, I admit it, I'm case 1

[hypochondriac]

i am guessing they dont get anywhere near as much grief as our lot has had! hard lot to please saints fans are

 

Very much doubt it is radically different from running any other football fan forum.

[dune]

Ok, I admit it, I'm case 1

 

Have you tried one of these?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttfe_dCom8Y

[Jonnyboy]

Very much doubt it is radically different from running any other football fan forum.

 

Please change your avatar. It is annoyingly bad.

[dubai_phil]

I don't often do this, but just for once, on this subject, Hypo - shut up..

 

 

 

Thanks Baj & Steve, IT apps are always a nightmare, I bet you've had a barrel of laughs these last few weeks doing the audit to find out what was actually going wrong

[saint_stevo]

The laughs continue for those following Steve on twitter it seems!

[PokingFun]

Tell you what then Hypo, and I don't say this in an antagonistic way, but seriously, set a forum up. Really, it's obviously fairly easy to do and it obviously would satisfy your curiosity about how easy it is to do.

 

He would have no users as he would ban them as soon as they disagreed with his views lol

[hypochondriac]

He would have no users as he would ban them as soon as they disagreed with his views lol

Not at all. I welcome all views contrary to mine as long as people can debate sensibly without resorting to personal insults.

[PokingFun]

Not at all. I welcome all views contrary to mine as long as people can debate sensibly without resorting to personal insults.

 

It was a joke, lighten up man ....

[Mustapha Fag]

without resorting to personal insults.

 

 

so do as i say not as i do ???

 

if i dont like a TV programme i turn it off, you have this option with this forum, dont like it dont come here, easy

[hypochondriac]

so do as i say not as i do ???

 

if i dont like a TV programme i turn it off, you have this option with this forum, dont like it dont come here, easy

 

Where are all these personal insults then? I rarely throw insults around on here yet every other reply to something I write is abuse. I like this forum, it's a bit of a laugh and a distraction.

[St Chalet]

As hilarious as this thread has become could we get back on to the topic of the server update.

 

Suggest we focus our efforts on prayer that 2x MySQL databases can connect.

[Chez]

could someone have missed out on an SWF end of season award and is making damn sure he gets one this time round?

 

Cheers chaps, forum is as fab as ever in my eyes

[the wedge]

Good work Steve and Baj. Always an insightful and relevant experience popping on here to read what the consensus is on our club. Long may it continue.