PhilippineSaint Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Paul Merson anyone ? Would be better of with Paul Merton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Yet another whingey OP that could just as easily have been posted in one of the other whingey threads. Forget the Wallsall result - we were the better side but we didn't win. This place is fast becoming domain of manic depressives. Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Yet another whingey OP that could just as easily have been posted in one of the other whingey threads. Forget the Wallsall result - we were the better side but we didn't win. This place is fast becoming domain of manic depressives. Get a grip. Yet another poster who cant be bothered to debate football matters on a football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 So, Empirical Evidence is showing that Scientists (esp Dr Ben Goldacre) have been proven to be wrong. Dr Ben espouses a Mathematical Equation in order to calculate The Most Depressing Week of The Year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Monday_(date) Clearly we have now proven that Blue Monday is in fact a Tuesday, and falls in February. Returning to the OP, something seems not quite right. The OP takes that concept, which I agree with. and proposes that it is simply down to Leadership on The pitch, the lack of a wise old head. But is it that simple? is that the reason? We have had old wise heads these past few years - JW, Mule, Paul Wotton, Jaidi, (Possibly) Murty. Is such a simplistic We need an old head the right mantra? Clearly our depression has made us pluck random names out of thin air and hope that we find one. Clearly there is more to it. Wotton was a basic footballer, gave 120% tried to inspire those around him with commitment and aggression - would a Lee Bowyer be that much different? What is that X Factor that makes a declining star into a Leader. My point is that we have needed an on pitch leader since our decline from the PL. We haven't found one in 5 years now. Sorry FF, if we cannot find one in 5 years we (IMHO) have fook all chance of finding one, out of contract, in a matter of a few days. So if FF's theory is right - sorry we are screwed. But could something else be unsettling things at SMS? All we have is the evidence that Blue Monday is now Blue Tuesday. It also comes a month late and confounds the experts. Hmm I wonder if we have been here before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Shanks Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 One name - Robbie Savage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 The situation is only going to get worse over the next month. The injury list is as long as my arm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 One name - Robbie Savage. Err....isn't that two names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 The situation is only going to get worse over the next month. The injury list is as long as my arm... But we have a big squad. And some world class Academy players raring to go. Oh heck, what's happening to me...I'm suddenly getting very cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Worthwhile having a read and giggle over this : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?27411-This-squad-is-good-enough-for-promotion&highlight=squad+strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 You just love it don't you Alpine? Basking in our failure, you completely come out of your shell. If we fail to go up you will be the most active poster, I'm sure of that ''I told you this, I told you that etc etc...'' You go on about others respecting your opinions and ask people to stop calling you names, and there you go generalising saying things like ''look at the happy clappies'' ''all the stupid positive thinkers''. I don't know what to make of you, you just feed off negativity and failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I sit fairly close to the pitch and I have always thought we are a "very quiet team", for example there are times when the ball has been bouncing between Kelvin, Jose and Radhi and the supporters behind the Chapel goal have to shout, "KEEPERS" before the 3 defenders stops looking at each other and Kelvin comes off his line. The one exception to that is when Frazer plays, although not the best at crossing the ball he is about the only player I have heard "talking on the pitch", telling the other players what to do, "man on", "clear long" etc. From memory I think he was captain at Leeds and Charlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Micheal Brown from the skates would do the trick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 You just love it don't you Alpine? Basking in our failure, you completely come out of your shell. If we fail to go up you will be the most active poster, I'm sure of that ''I told you this, I told you that etc etc...'' You go on about others respecting your opinions and ask people to stop calling you names, and there you go generalising saying things like ''look at the happy clappies'' ''all the stupid positive thinkers''. I don't know what to make of you, you just feed off negativity and failure. What goes around comes around. If people werent so abusive towards those who dare to question/criticise the team situation and its performances, maybe the dissidents among us would not bash them over the head when the worst happens. I dont think you quite realise just how abusive this site is. I think its only human nature to point out when something occurs with the club that what we said was not far away from the truth and therefore the level of abuse was unjustified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Kevin Nolan or Steven Gerrard for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 (edited) I sit fairly close to the pitch and I have always thought we are a "very quiet team", for example there are times when the ball has been bouncing between Kelvin, Jose and Radhi and the supporters behind the Chapel goal have to shout, "KEEPERS" before the 3 defenders stops looking at each other and Kelvin comes off his line. The one exception to that is when Frazer plays, although not the best at crossing the ball he is about the only player I have heard "talking on the pitch", telling the other players what to do, "man on", "clear long" etc. From memory I think he was captain at Leeds and Charlton. Martin as well, in those games he played early in the season I was impressed at how he was giving orders to supposedly senoir players around him. Edited 3 March, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Martain as well, in those games he played early in the season I was impressed at how he was giving orders to supposedly senoir players around him. Its drummed into the kids at the Utopia Planitia Training Academy, apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Anyone saying Gerrard didn't see him on Sunday, someone must have told him Liverpool were in Claret and Blue. I must admit that I agree with FF, that we have lacked a proper leader on the pitch, probably since Killer got injured. Oakley would have been a candidate, but Burely prefered to let him go and sign Idiakez instead. However, I can't think of many such players that we have missed out on in this years transfer market. Maybe Kishichev ( spelling? ) who wen't to Brighton or Carsley who went local and a League above. Players like Ball and Case are once in a lifetime signings. The fact that I have seen both in my own lifetime makes me very lucky. Nowadays, players like that would be off to Qatar, USA or Hong Kong, for one last big pay cheque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Anyone saying Gerrard didn't see him on Sunday, someone must have told him Liverpool were in Claret and Blue. I must admit that I agree with FF, that we have lacked a proper leader on the pitch, probably since Killer got injured. Oakley would have been a candidate, but Burely prefered to let him go and sign Idiakez instead. However, I can't think of many such players that we have missed out on in this years transfer market. Maybe Kishichev ( spelling? ) who wen't to Brighton or Carsley who went local and a League above. Players like Ball and Case are once in a lifetime signings. The fact that I have seen both in my own lifetime makes me very lucky. Nowadays, players like that would be off to Qatar, USA or Hong Kong, for one last big pay cheque. The irony of the Oakley-Idiakez situation was that Burley (or whoever) didn't trust Oakley's fitness enough to offer him longer than a one year deal, so Oakley went to Derby while Burley brought in Idiakez as a player who would 'demand the players around him played better'. Incidentally, I remember Oakley saying how Billy Davies sold the move to Oakley by saying he wanted to make him the captain of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 The irony of the Oakley-Idiakez situation was that Burley (or whoever) didn't trust Oakley's fitness enough to offer him longer than a one year deal, so Oakley went to Derby while Burley brought in Idiakez as a player who would 'demand the players around him played better'. Incidentally, I remember Oakley saying how Billy Davies sold the move to Oakley by saying he wanted to make him the captain of the team. The folly of buying Idiakez does not mean that off-loading Oakley was a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Players like Ball and Case are once in a lifetime signings. The fact that I have seen both in my own lifetime makes me very lucky. Nowadays, players like that would be off to Qatar, USA or Hong Kong, for one last big pay cheque. Ball and Case.....surely that's twice in a lifetime. Like you, I certainly saw both of them so, in fact, it's even twice in at least 2 lifetimes!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 The folly of buying Idiakez does not mean that off-loading Oakley was a mistake. We'll never know; Oakley proceeded to captain his team to promotion (although he had injuries that season too) and played in the Premiership before doing the same with Leicester in this crappy division. However there's a good shout to say he needed the move to get away from the post Redknapp + relegation malaise that was SFC at the time and if he'd stayed he'd have underachieved with the rest of them. The main point of my post was that Oakley left essentially because GB didn't trust his fitness over two years but the nearest thing we got to a replacement spent more time injured than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Lets get Claus Lundekvam back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 We'll never know; Oakley proceeded to captain his team to promotion (although he had injuries that season too) and played in the Premiership before doing the same with Leicester in this crappy division. However there's a good shout to say he needed the move to get away from the post Redknapp + relegation malaise that was SFC at the time and if he'd stayed he'd have underachieved with the rest of them. The main point of my post was that Oakley left essentially because GB didn't trust his fitness over two years but the nearest thing we got to a replacement spent more time injured than not. Oakley only played well for those teams because he had the full support of everyone. Here he became completely anonymous as soon as things started to heat up - then he f*cked off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Oakley only played well for those teams because he had the full support of everyone. Here he became completely anonymous as soon as things started to heat up - then he f*cked off. Yep. Much as I see it. He didnt exactly stand up and be counted and take the initiative for leading us out of the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Bowyer available on a free next year, would it be completely impossible for us? NEXT year will be far too late Especially if we are still in Div 1 because we lack a leader THIS year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Oakley only played well for those teams because he had the full support of everyone. Here he became completely anonymous as soon as things started to heat up - then he f*cked off. Who's 'everyone'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I sit fairly close to the pitch and I have always thought we are a "very quiet team", for example there are times when the ball has been bouncing between Kelvin, Jose and Radhi and the supporters behind the Chapel goal have to shout, "KEEPERS" before the 3 defenders stops looking at each other and Kelvin comes off his line. The one exception to that is when Frazer plays, although not the best at crossing the ball he is about the only player I have heard "talking on the pitch", telling the other players what to do, "man on", "clear long" etc. From memory I think he was captain at Leeds and Charlton. What year was that ?? Like so many keepers these days, he's normally rooted to his line whilst the opposing Forward nods, or kicks in from the six yard box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 What year was that ?? Like so many keepers these days, he's normally rooted to his line whilst the opposing Forward nods, or kicks in from the six yard box Sadly, I have to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I thought the original post summed it up very well, but as usual it is likely that what is glaringly obvious from the stand will not translate to the dugout. We need that seasoned pro who has seen it and done it to b*llock and nurture in equal measure - also to provide a positive focal point for the supporters. The problem I fear is that this type of player does not fit into the SFC blueprint, as a big profile / ego, on potentially big wages with no sell on value is not likely to appeal to the Chairman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I thought the original post summed it up very well, but as usual it is likely that what is glaringly obvious from the stand will not translate to the dugout. We need that seasoned pro who has seen it and done it to b*llock and nurture in equal measure - also to provide a positive focal point for the supporters. The problem I fear is that this type of player does not fit into the SFC blueprint, as a big profile / ego, on potentially big wages with no sell on value is not likely to appeal to the Chairman... I reckon NC could be swayed on this - if NA saw the value in this and could identify the player. NC wants promotion. Period. He isnt Rupert Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I'd echo those that say Michael Brown - can't get a game at Pompey due to the contract trigger and although the cost would be high, it's only until May. He'd have a point to prove and is the sort of character that has played enough Premier League football to be respected instantly. The risk is that he can be a bit combustable - there have been numerous rumours of training ground fights - but the Staplewood environment is too comfy at present and needs shaking up. Moreover, Nigel needs an enforcer on the pitch. We need to do something to freshen things up and get the players focused and composed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Who's 'everyone'? The board and manager. He was sick of it here. You could tell by his whole attitude towards the end. In the state things were I really don't blame him, but having a massive personality isn't a trait I would say Oakley had - which is what we could do with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Micheal Brown from the skates would do the trick! Very sound suggestion although I fear too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I think it's difficult to identify one thing (singular) that's not right which if rectified would make everything right. More likely a range of factors affecting results. The only thing that's not right at the moment is that we are not in one of the promotion places. For instance, if some of the marginal results had gone for rather than against and we were where we expect to be, I think we wouldn't be discussing leadership on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 The situation is only going to get worse over the next month. The injury list is as long as my arm... Worthwhile having a read and giggle over this : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?27411-This-squad-is-good-enough-for-promotion&highlight=squad+strong What goes around comes around. If people werent so abusive towards those who dare to question/criticise the team situation and its performances, maybe the dissidents among us would not bash them over the head when the worst happens. I dont think you quite realise just how abusive this site is. I think its only human nature to point out when something occurs with the club that what we said was not far away from the truth and therefore the level of abuse was unjustified. Its drummed into the kids at the Utopia Planitia Training Academy, apparently... The folly of buying Idiakez does not mean that off-loading Oakley was a mistake. Yep. Much as I see it. He didnt exactly stand up and be counted and take the initiative for leading us out of the mess. I reckon NC could be swayed on this - if NA saw the value in this and could identify the player. NC wants promotion. Period. He isnt Rupert Lowe. I thought the first post was brilliant, but they just got better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I thought the first post was brilliant, but they just got better and better. You dont have anything to say about the subject, do you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 You dont have anything to say about the subject, do you ? Says the bloke who goes awol when Saints win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Says the bloke who goes awol when Saints win. Thought so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Thought so.. What about when Swindon equalised - moan moan moan moan moan. 2-1 3-1 4-1 Where the **** is alpine_saint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 The board and manager. He was sick of it here. You could tell by his whole attitude towards the end. In the state things were I really don't blame him, but having a massive personality isn't a trait I would say Oakley had - which is what we could do with. That, on the back of the fact that Redknapp clearly didn't rate him and I couldn't blame him for being fed up with it here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 If we could get MB on loan and then permanent in the summer on promotion, perhaps he could recreate this dainty interception when we play the blue few: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Agree with the OP. All great teams have a midfield general we on the other hand do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 What about when Swindon equalised - moan moan moan moan moan. 2-1 3-1 4-1 Where the **** is alpine_saint? He's gone missing again:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 If we could get MB on loan and then permanent in the summer on promotion, perhaps he could recreate this dainty interception when we play the blue few: Don't know that I'd want at 34 year old raincoat flashing troublemaker in our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Agree with Duncan We should be looking for a 30 year old plus midfield player, who can tackle and pass the ball nothing spectacular just a man who hates to lose but more importantly knows how to win I know that will offend some of the purist fans on here but we lack real drive in the engine room 100% Mike. The biggest disappoint for me is that THIS is how Hammond was sold to me... a box to box engine who can drive the team. I have yet to see any evidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 We lost 9 last season. We have now lost 9 this season. To me, that says something hasn't been right all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 We lost 9 last season. We have now lost 9 this season. To me, that says something hasn't been right all season. And we have been goaless this season already in twice as many games as the whole of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I do know that a current Saints player is very critical about the absence of vocal encouragement and leadership from the captain after the Hartlepool game. He felt that he was the only one trying to gee things up. Even the old heads are very quiet. Martin and Richardson (shame about the passing) have it but we are a very quiet team. It seems to me that Brighton and Bournemouth have a collective team spirit based on a siege mentality caused by the knowledge that everybody is waiting for them to blow up. We don't have that but we do seem to have a fragility and only now and again seem to be able to overcome adversity and scrabble out an ugly win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 I do know that a current Saints player is very critical about the absence of vocal encouragement and leadership from the captain after the Hartlepool game. He felt that he was the only one trying to gee things up. Even the old heads are very quiet. Martin and Richardson (shame about the passing) have it but we are a very quiet team. It seems to me that Brighton and Bournemouth have a collective team spirit based on a siege mentality caused by the knowledge that everybody is waiting for them to blow up. We don't have that but we do seem to have a fragility and only now and again seem to be able to overcome adversity and scrabble out an ugly win. For years I have always thought we've been a quiet team, it was last season I thought we sort that out. The amount of times B'mouth have got late goals is annoying, but shows that they have a hell of a belief behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 March, 2011 Share Posted 3 March, 2011 Worthwhile having a read and giggle over this : http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?27411-This-squad-is-good-enough-for-promotion&highlight=squad+strong THe squad is good enough, they are not performing. F*ck knows why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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