JackFrost Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 I don't know why some posters don't go the whole hog and demand Fergie to be brought in as Man U lost a game last night and surely that'll mean he'll be shortly available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 I don't know why some posters don't go the whole hog and demand Fergie to be brought in as Man U lost a game last night and surely that'll mean he'll be shortly available. Name one poster who has demanded the removal of Nigel Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Last night's result was rubbish, there's no two ways about it. But I've said it before and I'll say it again - it does not matter whether we go up via the playoffs or get auto promotion, the key thing is to get promoted. If we do not even reach the playoffs this season then I agree it would be hard to see NA staying on. But who knows? There is so much more football to be played until then, and I personally think we are still in a good position. We can't afford many more nights like last night, that's for sure. But it is all still completely within our hands to get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Name one poster who has demanded the removal of Nigel Adkins. Did you actually think i was being serious? (re Fergie) My annoyance is with people who start threads about "who shall we get in as our new manager" after a new manager been here 4 and a half months and has a few disappointing results despite the club being well in amongst the promotion race. The very fact people are even starting threads like this when Adkins has a record of P30 W17 D6 L7 after 4 and a half months is ludicrous Besides, you don't start threads asking who shall we get in as our new manager when your happy for the current manager to stay. We haven't got to the next stage yet as you've just illustrated but a couple more losses from now until the end of the season it won't be long on current indications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 I've got no concerns about him. He's a good manager, he's going through his first real bad patch with us. Our form has been top 2 for most of his time with us until the last few weeks. It's made to look worse because of our bad start under Wilkins and Co BAD PATCH??? We've lost 1 in 6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 (edited) BAD PATCH??? We've lost 1 in 6... Look, i'm defending him but trying to be realistic. I find it odd that you've picked my post to quote when there are some pretty embarassing posts in this thread. We have dropped out of the top 2/3 in the form table and are now around 10th in recent weeks. We have not lost many, but we have dropped silly points in draws recently. But other than that he's done well for us. Edited 2 March, 2011 by S-Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Well we should have a big list of potential candidates. Did NC not say that 3/4 (or something like that) of then current championship managers had applied for the job,plus one or two from the Premier League and a couple from abroad.? Cannot believe that really because I think that at the time we worked out that either Davis,Clough,Lambert or Dave Jones had been turned down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 BAD PATCH??? We've lost 1 in 6... Not to start on the stats lark again but it would seem to me that we've lost 2 of the last 8,drawn 3 and won 3. 12 points from 8 matches will not get us automatic promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Typical of Saints fans. Our first loss in six games. Nominated for Manager of the Month. Games in hand could still be level with Bournemouth and since MK game achieved exactly 2 points per game - not matched by any other club - including Brighton. And plenty of games left. Give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 It is of course premature to be even thinking about a change, NA needs time to mould this team and to decide on his best 11 which I don't think he has at this point in time. I was chatting with someone last week about the players Adkins has brought to the Club in his short time here and other than Butterfield I couldn't recall which of the players he brought in is getting a regular game? Can someone with a better grasp on the comings and goings clarify this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Typical of Saints fans. Our first loss in six games. Nominated for Manager of the Month. Games in hand could still be level with Bournemouth and since MK game achieved exactly 2 points per game - not matched by any other club - including Brighton. And plenty of games left. Give it a rest. 48 from 25 games isn't exactly 2 points per game and Brighton's haul is better than ours because they really have 62 points from 31 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 If we lose Saturday... What do you mean IF The players THINK they only have to turn up, and until that is drilled out of them, we will continue to lose against the likes of Walsall Adkins IS at fault for letting this "we don't have to try too hard " approach It will cost us a Top Two finish, and the Play Offs are a lottery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Typical of Saints fans. Our first loss in six games. Nominated for Manager of the Month. Games in hand could still be level with Bournemouth and since MK game achieved exactly 2 points per game - not matched by any other club - including Brighton. And plenty of games left. Give it a rest. WHY give it a rest ??? Had we lost 0-1 to Brighton Away - understandable Had we lost 0-1 to Bournemouth Away - understandable BUT We lost 0-1 to Walsall Away (4th from bottom at the time ) - NOT Understandable, and certainly NOT acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 BAD PATCH??? We've lost 1 in 6... Exactly, and it says what a good job he is doing that losing 1 in 6 is actually considered a bad patch - even by optimists like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 WHY give it a rest ??? Had we lost 0-1 to Brighton Away - understandable Had we lost 0-1 to Bournemouth Away - understandable BUT We lost 0-1 to Walsall Away (4th from bottom at the time ) - NOT Understandable, and certainly NOT acceptable If you can't understand that football is an unpredictable game (Brighton lost 3-1 away to Hartlepool, dontcha know) then I feel for you. I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Im not a fan of NA but this is ridiculous to even contemplate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 If you can't understand that football is an unpredictable game (Brighton lost 3-1 away to Hartlepool, dontcha know) then I feel for you. I really do. You are as bad as Adkins Any old excuse will do Consistant Teams do NOT lose to the likes of Walsall Remember it took Leeds quite a few seasons to get out of Div 1, yet they were always well placed every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 You are as bad as Adkins Any old excuse will do Consistant Teams do NOT lose to the likes of Walsall Remember it took Leeds quite a few seasons to get out of Div 1, yet they were always well placed every time Where did I make an excuse? Are you saying that football is NOT unpredictable? Norwich, Leeds and Millwall last season...all of them lost to "the likes of Walsall" as well at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 We might as well put a clause in the manager's contract. "If you lose to a bottom 6 club, you will automatically be dismissed" Hell, all clubs should do it, that'll sort the good managers from the bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 We might as well put a clause in the manager's contract. "If you lose to a bottom 6 club, you will automatically be dismissed" Hell, all clubs should do it, that'll sort the good managers from the bad! More like ''If you don't win 6-0 every game, whilst being dominant for the entire 90mins, then you will be dismissed'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 More like ''If you don't win 6-0 every game, whilst being dominant for the entire 90mins, then you will be dismissed'' Impossible, winning 6-0 automatically puts you on a bad run of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 We might as well put a clause in the manager's contract. "If you lose to a bottom 6 club, you will automatically be dismissed" Hell, all clubs should do it, that'll sort the good managers from the bad! Quite so So when we do not finish in the Top Six, at least you can comfort yourself with the fact that you know the reasons why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 To be fair, had we got the 'housewives choice' Martin O'Neill (he was in the penthouse at the De Vere for a week waiting by the phone ffs...), we would have beaten Oldham 16-0 and be in the quarter final of cup. Also, all of the players would have been shown him respect, and be happy to pay their own fare to sit on the bus with a smile on their faces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 So much for the craved stability we all cry for... Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 (edited) Stability is what we crave i,m sure. however,being led blndly into mediocrity is something i do not crave. Edited 2 March, 2011 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Pep Guardiola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 I was depressed by the title of the thread but was glad to read all the way through. There are so many who have put sensible arguments forward it has renewed my faith in Saints fans altogether. If you have ignored this thread because you think it is stupid, then don't. Put your thoughts down so people can see the true balance of views! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Not happy about his selection in the first place... BUT the Chairman Nic chose him together with his Director of Football.....shiiiite Then let them sort it out.. Give him the transfer window and the usual until xmas line...... Sorry , just realised we have missed those two deadlines... Once again ..a BIG mistake in my eyes..but will leave my shout for sacking until the end of March..Will then if not comfortably off in a play off position...shout loud to give a new Manager time and a preseason to get us up.. Not looking good Nigel.......Turn it round big time with a good win on Saturday and a good win sequence or else.. WIFM Who messed up my 4-0 prediction....bugggggers... PS ..Get rid of the Director of Football NOW..... Come on Nigel.....FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 WHY give it a rest ??? Had we lost 0-1 to Brighton Away - understandable Had we lost 0-1 to Bournemouth Away - understandable BUT We lost 0-1 to Walsall Away (4th from bottom at the time ) - NOT Understandable, and certainly NOT acceptable That is so on the money.....I can't even believe people are defending a 1-0 loss away to an utter b0ll0cks team and yet, some moron is banging about Man Utd losing last night and how Fergie should be canned. Joking obviously...but losing away to another top team in any division is one thing...playing utter horse **** in 2 previous away games and picking up 1 point is not acceptable in the slightest. Sure we can win our 2 games in hand (we've just thrown one of them away last night) and go second..but based on how we are playig i would suggest that is unlikely. We had about 40% of the crowd there last night,,,what more do players want to get them up for a game...grind out a f*cking result. There is no way on earth that Walsall are more talented than our squad of players..which has been put together at some cost...and them being at home is completely muted as our following is pretty much the best in the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Not happy about his selection in the first place... BUT the Chairman Nic chose him together with his Director of Football.....shiiiite Then let them sort it out.. Give him the transfer window and the usual until xmas line...... Sorry , just realised we have missed those two deadlines... Once again ..a BIG mistake in my eyes..but will leave my shout for sacking until the end of March..Will then if not comfortably off in a play off position...shout loud to give a new Manager time and a preseason to get us up.. Not looking good Nigel.......Turn it round big time with a good win on Saturday and a good win sequence or else.. WIFM Who messed up my 4-0 prediction....bugggggers... PS ..Get rid of the Director of Football NOW..... Come on Nigel.....FFS This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Typical of Saints fans. Our first loss in six games. Nominated for Manager of the Month. Games in hand could still be level with Bournemouth and since MK game achieved exactly 2 points per game - not matched by any other club - including Brighton. And plenty of games left. Give it a rest. Never thought I'd see the day that saints fans would consider that an achievement........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 WHY give it a rest ??? Had we lost 0-1 to Brighton Away - understandable Had we lost 0-1 to Bournemouth Away - understandable BUT We lost 0-1 to Walsall Away (4th from bottom at the time ) - NOT Understandable, and certainly NOT acceptable Did you go last night? If you did you would have realised Adkins didn't have much to do with us losing. We created chance after chance, should have had a penalty and on any other day would have won about 3-1. They had two shots all game and scored. Didn't help that Morgan went off either. Adkins not to blame yesterday IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 So you just made a sweeping statement yourself, how do you know how many games i've been to? I have been to most games under adkins, not all away, but that's such a stupid post to make and I expect better from someone like you. FYI I don't have a season ticket because I couldn't afford the upfront payment, but I have been to every game anyway. That must make me a super duper fan!!!!! And what was wrong with my post anyway? It's totally true. For some reason certain people don't like to admit it. I like to look at results rather than performances by the way, and in results terms this is our first bad patch under him. We have bizarre fans. S-Clarke, I am in complete agreement with you and I have a ST! ;-) I liked the post someone put earlier about tactics being wrong and we arent meant to hoof it (which I don't very often see us doing under NA anyway). According to Merrrington at the end of the game last night he said saints played some really good stuff for about 75 minutes and then ran out of ideas (hoofed it to forwards when 1-0 down with 15 mins left shocker). Also said their keeper had a brilliant game and that we could have been 4 up in the first half. Last time I played and managed a football team there was not much I could do if the opposition keeper had a worldy and my team / team mates could not hit the back of the net. Nothing to do with tactics, just great goalkeeping and some poor finishing. Is that down to the manager I ask the people seemingly calling for a new manager ..... So many knee jerkers and unrealistic people on this forum who base opinions on one match rather than in the round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Consistant Teams do NOT lose to the likes of Walsall. Stop talking like a c*^t. It's hardly a giant killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 What do you mean IF The players THINK they only have to turn up, and until that is drilled out of them, we will continue to lose against the likes of Walsall Adkins IS at fault for letting this "we don't have to try too hard " approach It will cost us a Top Two finish, and the Play Offs are a lottery Do you really think the team isn't trying? 11 shots on target, 9 off target, 12 corners, merrington suggesting saints dominated for large parts. Is that not trying? What is trying then? Winning 4-1 when playing badly, is that trying? Or is that just winning? I can honestly say I have not seen a lack of effort from this team in any games I have been to. I have seen the odd poor performance but never a lack of effort or a mentality that they just have to turn up to win. Your comments are bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 You are as bad as Adkins Any old excuse will do Consistant Teams do NOT lose to the likes of Walsall Remember it took Leeds quite a few seasons to get out of Div 1, yet they were always well placed every time Manchester United do not lose to the likes of Wolves and Arsenal do not lose to the likes of Birmingham ..... Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Quite so So when we do not finish in the Top Six, at least you can comfort yourself with the fact that you know the reasons why I will take any bet with you for any amount of money that we will finish in the top six. How can you say 'when' with such certainty? Based on one result. It's nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 I will take any bet with you for any amount of money that we will finish in the top six. How can you say 'when' with such certainty? Based on one result. It's nonsense I'm not sure that finishing in the top 6 is the objective though.I just don't fancy facing Huddersfield,Peterborough or even Bournemouth in a one off match for promotion.We'll probably be without Morgan,we have no back-up for Davis and a player like CMS is always odds on to tear us apart.We should have signed that young man, that we didn't tells me that we didn't have the money to bring the deal about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Manchester United do not lose to the likes of Wolves and Arsenal do not lose to the likes of Birmingham ..... Oh Saint Richmond must make a killing on accumulators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Typical of Saints fans. Our first loss in six games. Nominated for Manager of the Month. Games in hand could still be level with Bournemouth and since MK game achieved exactly 2 points per game - not matched by any other club - including Brighton. And plenty of games left. Give it a rest. That's what's done it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 What a ridiculous thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Samuel Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 I must admit in the heat of last night's defeat I started to wonder if Adkins was up to it, but today I'm thinking more rationally and it wouldn't be a good idea to sack him unless things really go downhill, we've had enough managers over the last few years to know we need some stability and changing managers every season only leads to trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 If you can't understand that football is an unpredictable game (Brighton lost 3-1 away to Hartlepool, dontcha know) then I feel for you. I really do. Oh come on. That old chestnut is paper thin and you know it. The same 4 teams have topped the PL for a decade due to the very predicatbility of the game over a season. We have the best squad by a long, long, long way in this division. If they are not in the expected position in the table and form-wise, the cause is elsewhere, such as the manager. Last nights defeat was a sympton of a greater affliction blighting this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Just poking the stick in to the debate, so sorry if some feathers are ruffled (although I have to declare I am 100% behind NA at the moment, despite recent performances). 1. Stability - Not sure I'd desire this if stability meant mediocrity or even failure. There might not be any point sticking with something if that something was not right in the first place. Surely you could just be compounding the error by persevering with something that is wrong. 2. Bad Patch - I think results and performances since Oldham away can be called a bad patch, and certainly 12 pts from 8 games is not a good return, particularly when you consider the squad we have. 3. Premature Thread - Maybe, but I just have this inkling that Cortese is someone who might not hang around and may not be shy when it comes to changing something (could be a good or bad thing). I personally don't think he would make a change before the end of the season, but I reckon if we fail to go up then this debate could rear it's head again within a couple of months. Don't see anything wrong with people airing some views on this thread (or forum) as I doubt it has any impact whatsoever on what happens on the pitch (in fact I'd be horrified if a thread like this had any impact on manager or players, as it would show they didn't have much steel in them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 We lost a match We had 20 shots and their keeper played the game of his 37 year life We got undone by a route one ball Sh*t happens....I'd worry if we weren't making chances,,,I worry that probably the 2 of the best strikers in this league didn't put one or two away but this is football Saints style. Mothball the thread until May! And yet the game you describe is also what happened in August - we totally outplayed Plymouth and lost 1-0 and immediately the knives were out for Pardew and three games later he was gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Just poking the stick in to the debate, so sorry if some feathers are ruffled (although I have to declare I am 100% behind NA at the moment, despite recent performances). 1. Stability - Not sure I'd desire this if stability meant mediocrity or even failure. There might not be any point sticking with something if that something was not right in the first place. Surely you could just be compounding the error by persevering with something that is wrong. 2. Bad Patch - I think results and performances since Oldham away can be called a bad patch, and certainly 12 pts from 8 games is not a good return, particularly when you consider the squad we have. 3. Premature Thread - Maybe, but I just have this inkling that Cortese is someone who might not hang around and may not be shy when it comes to changing something (could be a good or bad thing). I personally don't think he would make a change before the end of the season, but I reckon if we fail to go up then this debate could rear it's head again within a couple of hours. Don't see anything wrong with people airing some views on this thread (or forum) as I doubt it has any impact whatsoever on what happens on the pitch (in fact I'd be horrified if a thread like this had any impact on manager or players, as it would show they didn't have much steel in them). Er, think the quote is now a bit more realistic. If we don't go up, it's game up. We've seen how much patience Cortese has... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Where Saints are concerned you couldn't make it up, could you? Time to shoot ourselves thru the foot, slit our wrists and jump of the nearest bridge. Why, it's that time of the year when King Canute leads his court to the shores of the Solent, sits and waits, convinced he is about to order the tide to turn. Yes, Um Pahars will agree, it time to put on our Chicken outfits, cos, believe it or not, the Ides of March approaches. Yes, it time to beware those Ides, to stear clear of what is about to befall us. Guess, after all these years, we never learn!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Er, think the quote is now a bit more realistic. If we don't go up, it's game up. We've seen how much patience Cortese has... I meant that perhaps we could well be revisiting a thread like this in just over a couple of months!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Just poking the stick in to the debate, so sorry if some feathers are ruffled (although I have to declare I am 100% behind NA at the moment, despite recent performances). 1. Stability - Not sure I'd desire this if stability meant mediocrity or even failure. There might not be any point sticking with something if that something was not right in the first place. Surely you could just be compounding the error by persevering with something that is wrong. 2. Bad Patch - I think results and performances since Oldham away can be called a bad patch, and certainly 12 pts from 8 games is not a good return, particularly when you consider the squad we have. 3. Premature Thread - Maybe, but I just have this inkling that Cortese is someone who might not hang around and may not be shy when it comes to changing something (could be a good or bad thing). I personally don't think he would make a change before the end of the season, but I reckon if we fail to go up then this debate could rear it's head again within a couple of months. Don't see anything wrong with people airing some views on this thread (or forum) as I doubt it has any impact whatsoever on what happens on the pitch (in fact I'd be horrified if a thread like this had any impact on manager or players, as it would show they didn't have much steel in them). Do you think Cortese has the ability to chose the right manager not sure either Pardew or Adkins was the right one somebody like Southgate I think would be pretty good Portsmouth and Bournemouth seem to have a better record of picking the right manager but not SFC in recent years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 2 March, 2011 Share Posted 2 March, 2011 Do you think Cortese has the ability to chose the right manager not sure either Pardew or Adkins was the right one somebody like Southgate I think would be pretty good Portsmouth and Bournemouth seem to have a better record of picking the right manager but not SFC in recent years Cortese did extremely well in getting Pardew,we were lucky to have him to lead the rebuilding after the takeover.He laid some very solid foundations. And a future under his tenure would have proved fruitful longterm. Unfortunately i fear that hard work is coming slightly unravelled. All imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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