holepuncture Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-poll-disturbing-say-antiracism-campaigners-2227052.html "The poll, carried out by Populus, was one of the largest studies carried out on the subject, based on 91 questions to more than 5,000 individuals." So, a reasonably thorough survey, which produces some interesting results: "Immigration was held to have been on the whole a bad thing for Britain by 63% of whites, 43% of Asians and 17% of black Britons." It seems people are pretty fed up with all the Islamification too: "Almost half (48%) were open to supporting a new far-right party as long as it eschewed "fascist imagery" and did not condone violence. And 52% agreed that "Muslims create problems in the UK". " Labour shifted all these immigrants into the country to assist in our 'booming' economy, to pick up the jobs our own people were less attracted to due to becoming better educated and a little more affluent. It turned out the boom was built on sand, and that nobody considered the social consequences of stuffing millions of people with little understanding of our language, cultures and communties into our cramped little island. And now we have to house and feed them , often reportedly ahead of our own people. All hard working Brits are paying for this. All this banging on about 'multi-culturalism' never really came to fruition and we are left with broken communities, dealing with dangerous people who are in the country to get us much as possible out of us soft English mugs. We have enough of our own nutters to deal with, now we have tribes of pakistanis driving round nothern cities in clapped out beemers raping white children. brilliant. People allways say it was essential to enable businesses to grow in the UK in a global world, but I wonder if our political leaders and corporate giants considered the irreparable damage to our land and people, or whether they ever gave a **** at all. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/row-over-treatment-of-immigrants-reopens-turkeys-rift-with-europe-2227548.html "The Turkish Prime Minister's comments seemed destined to stir up an already heated integration debate in Germany, which culminated last month with a declaration by Ms Merkel that attempts to build a multicultural society had "utterly failed". David Cameron came to almost the same conclusion in speech delivered in Germany in early February. Fears that Germany has allowed its Muslim communities to develop "parallel societies" have been stoked by a controversial book entitled Germany is Doing Away with Itself by a former Bundesbank board member Thilo Sarrazin." If i recall, the Germans admitted defeat that they would be an out an out Islamic state by 2030. This is mostly due to importing **** loads of Turks in a similar way we rolled over for anyone and everyone. It would appear that the people of the survey are not alone, evidenced in the article above. I think its a crying shame, its taken the shine out of society... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Only 52%? That's mental. Substitute "Muslim" for just about any group you can think of and I would be astounded if many get less than 52%. Here are some starters for ten: Gypos Unemployed Single parents People who like sailing Fatties The Crazy World of Arthur Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Only 52%? That's mental. Substitute "Muslim" for just about any group you can think of and I would be astounded if many get less than 52%. Here are some starters for ten: Gypos Unemployed Single parents People who like sailing Fatties The Crazy World of Arthur Brown Dont spoil my moment smartarse, like I said in the post: 'We have enough of our own nutters to deal with' This is about the merits (!!!) of mass immigration into the UK, we can cover the other easy targets another time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It's all a bit subjective though isn't it? I'd say Muslims can create problems. i also think Christians create problems, smokers create problems, far right groups create problems, far left groups create problems, students create problems, trade unionists create problems, capitalists create problems. I can't think of many groups who don't create problems. it all depends on what questions you ask and how you present that data. Almost 48% are open to supporting a far right party, probably the more would've said they thought far right parties "create problems in the UK". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Im willing to bet 100% of people in the UK create "problems in the UK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Im willing to bet 100% of people in the UK create "problems in the UK" Not me. I just spend my day mooching around depressed town centres in track suit bottoms and tight t-shirts with food stains on them doing surveys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 52%, THAT many people read the daily mail? Tragic waste of ****ing money that survey was, just shows how much people can be whipped up by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-poll-disturbing-say-antiracism-campaigners-2227052.html "The poll, carried out by Populus, was one of the largest studies carried out on the subject, based on 91 questions to more than 5,000 individuals." So, a reasonably thorough survey, which produces some interesting results: "Immigration was held to have been on the whole a bad thing for Britain by 63% of whites, 43% of Asians and 17% of black Britons." It seems people are pretty fed up with all the Islamification too: "Almost half (48%) were open to supporting a new far-right party as long as it eschewed "fascist imagery" and did not condone violence. And 52% agreed that "Muslims create problems in the UK". " Labour shifted all these immigrants into the country to assist in our 'booming' economy, to pick up the jobs our own people were less attracted to due to becoming better educated and a little more affluent. It turned out the boom was built on sand, and that nobody considered the social consequences of stuffing millions of people with little understanding of our language, cultures and communties into our cramped little island. And now we have to house and feed them , often reportedly ahead of our own people. All hard working Brits are paying for this. All this banging on about 'multi-culturalism' never really came to fruition and we are left with broken communities, dealing with dangerous people who are in the country to get us much as possible out of us soft English mugs. We have enough of our own nutters to deal with, now we have tribes of pakistanis driving round nothern cities in clapped out beemers raping white children. brilliant. People allways say it was essential to enable businesses to grow in the UK in a global world, but I wonder if our political leaders and corporate giants considered the irreparable damage to our land and people, or whether they ever gave a **** at all. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/row-over-treatment-of-immigrants-reopens-turkeys-rift-with-europe-2227548.html "The Turkish Prime Minister's comments seemed destined to stir up an already heated integration debate in Germany, which culminated last month with a declaration by Ms Merkel that attempts to build a multicultural society had "utterly failed". David Cameron came to almost the same conclusion in speech delivered in Germany in early February. Fears that Germany has allowed its Muslim communities to develop "parallel societies" have been stoked by a controversial book entitled Germany is Doing Away with Itself by a former Bundesbank board member Thilo Sarrazin." If i recall, the Germans admitted defeat that they would be an out an out Islamic state by 2030. This is mostly due to importing **** loads of Turks in a similar way we rolled over for anyone and everyone. It would appear that the people of the survey are not alone, evidenced in the article above. I think its a crying shame, its taken the shine out of society... Would you like to clarify which of the text in that is yours please? It's not that clear which are quotes from the article. Are the final 4 lines in italics your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Would you like to clarify which of the text in that is yours please? It's not that clear which are quotes from the article. Are the final 4 lines in italics your thoughts? The quote marks/inverted commas/whatever kinda give that away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 The quote marks/inverted commas/whatever kinda give that away... There is no closing quote/speech mark around the rantings under the first URL. I assume that all of these are made by the participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Dont spoil my moment smartarse, like I said in the post: 'We have enough of our own nutters to deal with' This is about the merits (!!!) of mass immigration into the UK, we can cover the other easy targets another time... I think you found the easy target first time round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 The quote marks/inverted commas/whatever kinda give that away... It's not that clear. I am interested to know whether "tribes of Pakistanis raping white chilren" is a quote or holepunctures own opinion. I imagine it's his own opinion - it is a disgusting thing to say that borders racist and is certainly inflamatory. Still, at least it's not sarcastic and at least he didn't award a "1" on the mixtape thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-poll-disturbing-say-antiracism-campaigners-2227052.html "The poll, carried out by Populus, was one of the largest studies carried out on the subject, based on 91 questions to more than 5,000 individuals." So, a reasonably thorough survey, which produces some interesting results: "Immigration was held to have been on the whole a bad thing for Britain by 63% of whites, 43% of Asians and 17% of black Britons." It seems people are pretty fed up with all the Islamification too: "Almost half (48%) were open to supporting a new far-right party as long as it eschewed "fascist imagery" and did not condone violence. And 52% agreed that "Muslims create problems in the UK". " Labour shifted all these immigrants into the country to assist in our 'booming' economy, to pick up the jobs our own people were less attracted to due to becoming better educated and a little more affluent. It turned out the boom was built on sand, and that nobody considered the social consequences of stuffing millions of people with little understanding of our language, cultures and communties into our cramped little island. And now we have to house and feed them , often reportedly ahead of our own people. All hard working Brits are paying for this. All this banging on about 'multi-culturalism' never really came to fruition and we are left with broken communities, dealing with dangerous people who are in the country to get us much as possible out of us soft English mugs. We have enough of our own nutters to deal with, now we have tribes of pakistanis driving round nothern cities in clapped out beemers raping white children. brilliant. People allways say it was essential to enable businesses to grow in the UK in a global world, but I wonder if our political leaders and corporate giants considered the irreparable damage to our land and people, or whether they ever gave a **** at all. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/row-over-treatment-of-immigrants-reopens-turkeys-rift-with-europe-2227548.html "The Turkish Prime Minister's comments seemed destined to stir up an already heated integration debate in Germany, which culminated last month with a declaration by Ms Merkel that attempts to build a multicultural society had "utterly failed". David Cameron came to almost the same conclusion in speech delivered in Germany in early February. Fears that Germany has allowed its Muslim communities to develop "parallel societies" have been stoked by a controversial book entitled Germany is Doing Away with Itself by a former Bundesbank board member Thilo Sarrazin." If i recall, the Germans admitted defeat that they would be an out an out Islamic state by 2030. This is mostly due to importing **** loads of Turks in a similar way we rolled over for anyone and everyone. It would appear that the people of the survey are not alone, evidenced in the article above. I think its a crying shame, its taken the shine out of society... The bit I've highlighted was found in the survey, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Am I a rapist? I have a clapped out Beemer (or is an 11 year old one not classified as such)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Am I a rapist? I have a clapped out Beemer (or is an 11 year old one not classified as such)? You're riding around in an 11 year old? You sick f*ck Seriously though, polls like these always have leading questions. It'd be interesting to have a copy of the original questionnaire to see what the questions were like (and also where the survey was conducted, at what time etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 There is no closing quote/speech mark around the rantings under the first URL. I assume that all of these are made by the participants. Im sorry, I should use itallics and so on. The bits in "" marks are direct citations, the rest is my own smutterings. I think you found the easy target first time round? Key word being 'others'. Look, the %ages are in the article, I am highlighting them to you all. It's not that clear. I am interested to know whether "tribes of Pakistanis raping white chilren" is a quote or holepunctures own opinion. I imagine it's his own opinion - it is a disgusting thing to say that borders racist and is certainly inflamatory. Still, at least it's not sarcastic and at least he didn't award a "1" on the mixtape thread. Now the all serious and considerate Deppo has arrived, we can truely debate. It is my own opinion based on FACTS, here, in case you missed it last month: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat The title: ''White girls seen as 'easy meat' by Pakistani rapists, says Jack Straw'' That is why I said it, it is because I believe its true, as did the judge (and the white english children who were raped by the pakistanis) when he convicted Mohammed Liaqat and Abid Saddique. The bit I've highlighted was found in the survey, was it? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12141603 No it wasnt, but political leaders such Jack Straw see pakistani rapists targeting ''white meat'' a "specific problem". I hope that has cleared things up for you. Its up to you lot, I was interested to see what was out there. Pick apart the post, or follow the links, and offer an opinion, tis up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It's not that clear. I am interested to know whether "tribes of Pakistanis raping white chilren" is a quote or holepunctures own opinion. I imagine it's his own opinion - it is a disgusting thing to say that borders racist and is certainly inflamatory. Still, at least it's not sarcastic and at least he didn't award a "1" on the mixtape thread. It doesn't border on racist; it IS racist. But apparently that okay on Saintsweb threads now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-poll-disturbing-say-antiracism-campaigners-2227052.html "The poll, carried out by Populus, was one of the largest studies carried out on the subject, based on 91 questions to more than 5,000 individuals." So, a reasonably thorough survey, which produces some interesting results: "Immigration was held to have been on the whole a bad thing for Britain by 63% of whites, 43% of Asians and 17% of black Britons." It seems people are pretty fed up with all the Islamification too: "Almost half (48%) were open to supporting a new far-right party as long as it eschewed "fascist imagery" and did not condone violence. And 52% agreed that "Muslims create problems in the UK". " Labour shifted all these immigrants into the country to assist in our 'booming' economy, to pick up the jobs our own people were less attracted to due to becoming better educated and a little more affluent. It turned out the boom was built on sand, and that nobody considered the social consequences of stuffing millions of people with little understanding of our language, cultures and communties into our cramped little island. And now we have to house and feed them , often reportedly ahead of our own people. All hard working Brits are paying for this. All this banging on about 'multi-culturalism' never really came to fruition and we are left with broken communities, dealing with dangerous people who are in the country to get us much as possible out of us soft English mugs. We have enough of our own nutters to deal with, now we have tribes of pakistanis driving round nothern cities in clapped out beemers raping white children. brilliant. People allways say it was essential to enable businesses to grow in the UK in a global world, but I wonder if our political leaders and corporate giants considered the irreparable damage to our land and people, or whether they ever gave a **** at all. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/row-over-treatment-of-immigrants-reopens-turkeys-rift-with-europe-2227548.html "The Turkish Prime Minister's comments seemed destined to stir up an already heated integration debate in Germany, which culminated last month with a declaration by Ms Merkel that attempts to build a multicultural society had "utterly failed". David Cameron came to almost the same conclusion in speech delivered in Germany in early February. Fears that Germany has allowed its Muslim communities to develop "parallel societies" have been stoked by a controversial book entitled Germany is Doing Away with Itself by a former Bundesbank board member Thilo Sarrazin." If i recall, the Germans admitted defeat that they would be an out an out Islamic state by 2030. This is mostly due to importing **** loads of Turks in a similar way we rolled over for anyone and everyone. It would appear that the people of the survey are not alone, evidenced in the article above. I think its a crying shame, its taken the shine out of society... There is no closing quote/speech mark around the rantings under the first URL. I assume that all of these are made by the participants. Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Yep, the UK is definitely racist, even our Olympic logo is "racist" http://insidethegames.biz/summer-olympics/2012/12099-london-2012-logo-is-qracistq-claims-iran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It doesn't border on racist; it IS racist. But apparently that okay on Saintsweb threads now. So you want us to censor quotes made by 3rd parties when clear context is given? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So you want us to censor quotes made by 3rd parties when clear context is given? What's the context for 'tribes of Pakistanis...raping white children'? And was that comment made by a third party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Censorship is silly. It helps loonies to avoid identification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I agree that occasional irrelevant or sarcastic posts are far worse than writing about "tribes of Pakistanis going around raping white women". It's good people like Kadeem Hardison and Wiltshire Saint get banned, they were just too silly. Blatantly offensive racial comments are far less of a reason. the people who run this site have made their very sensible priorities clear. For the record, I think banning either group is pathetic, but it kind of shows stevegrant's moral compass for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Yep, the UK is definitely racist, even our Olympic logo is "racist" http://insidethegames.biz/summer-olympics/2012/12099-london-2012-logo-is-qracistq-claims-iran That is bizarre, even if it does say Zion - how is that racist? Surely it is racist to have a hatred of the word Zion. Anyway, Iran boycotting the games it would only be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It is my own opinion based on FACTS, here, in case you missed it last month: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat The title: ''White girls seen as 'easy meat' by Pakistani rapists, says Jack Straw'' That is why I said it, it is because I believe its true, as did the judge (and the white english children who were raped by the pakistanis) when he convicted Mohammed Liaqat and Abid Saddique. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-12141603 No it wasnt, but political leaders such Jack Straw see pakistani rapists targeting ''white meat'' a "specific problem". I hope that has cleared things up for you. Its up to you lot, I was interested to see what was out there. Pick apart the post, or follow the links, and offer an opinion, tis up to you. So, Jack Straw said something inappropriate, and that means you can cite it as a fact? His illjudged statement has been roundly rebuked. The reason Straw said what he said is that he is that it will appeal to the voters of his constituency, where racial intergration has failed because of lack of community cohesion. Rape most definately isn't a Pakistani problem, it is a problem in every country, and community. BTW, the judge and the conviction of individuals are irrelevant, unless you want us to counter individual cases with the overwhelming number of examples of non-Pakistani rape convictions in the UK. If there is a higher correlation between a racial group and a conviction I would suggest the real correlation might actually be between income/poverty and the conviction (and nothing to do with race). So returning to your OP, I feel sad that so many Brits feel this way. The stat that 48% would consider voting for an authoritrian party is especially worrying, and something everyone (left, right or centre) should be very concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So somebody saying that there is a more likely target group for Pakistani rapists (which is fair enough) is the same as suggesting there are "tribes of Pakistani rapists" is it? There are rapists who vote Conservative and there are probably groups who are more likely to be their targets, does that mean there are now "gangs of tory rapists" terrorising those groups of women in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So, Jack Straw said something inappropriate, and that means you can cite it as a fact? His illjudged statement has been roundly rebuked. The reason Straw said what he said is that he is that it will appeal to the voters of his constituency, where racial intergration has failed because of lack of community cohesion. Rape most definately isn't a Pakistani problem, it is a problem in every country, and community. BTW, the judge and the conviction of individuals are irrelevant, unless you want us to counter individual cases with the overwhelming number of examples of non-Pakistani rape convictions in the UK. If there is a higher correlation between a racial group and a conviction I would suggest the real correlation might actually be between income/poverty and the conviction (and nothing to do with race). So returning to your OP, I feel sad that so many Brits feel this way. The stat that 48% would consider voting for an authoritrian party is especially worrying, and something everyone (left, right or centre) should be very concerned about. He is quite clear in saying that rape is not only a pakistani problem, he was just highlighting an issue. Problem is if you highlight any issue to do with race the politically correct all throw their toys out the pram. The problem should be out in the open and discussed rationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It doesn't border on racist; it IS racist. But apparently that okay on Saintsweb threads now. It's always been ok on Saints Web. So you want us to censor quotes made by 3rd parties when clear context is given? Great justification. If you see nothing wrong with someone posting aa sentence of their opinion that talks of "tribes of Pakistanis raping white children" on your website then there is something seriously wrong. I'd be careful if I were you - you're charging people to use this service. YOU are ultimately responsible for the contents of this board. Maybe if you're not sure if the post is offensive, racist or inflamatory in nature then you should check with someone with more sense. Still, like I say, at least he wasn't being sarcastic, the worst crime of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Oh behave. Where is anyone AGREEING with that opinion on here? Show me. "Death to all jews" Hitler probably said once, doesn't mean I ****ing agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Sigh... I wasn't sure those one liners were from Holepuncture, they looked like soundbites from the participants ok? Your location is almost correct, condescending pretentious pedantic ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 He is quite clear in saying that rape is not only a pakistani problem, he was just highlighting an issue. Problem is if you highlight any issue to do with race the politically correct all throw their toys out the pram. The problem should be out in the open and discussed rationally. aint, sorry, but I disagree. Holepuncture doesn't say whether he thinks rape is or isn't a pakistani problem, he is instead singling out a race for criticism on flimsy evidence. In fact he has gone much further than Jack Straw did, claiming that it is 'children' that are being targetted. This has nothing to do with being politically correct, and everything to do with comon decency. Why single out any racial group? Especially when the overwhelming number of rapists in this country are white not asian. If you want, let's discuss this 'problem' 'out in the open and discuss it rationally', without the banding around terms such as 'PC' which are not useful to the debate. So I ask again, why single out Pakistanis if the intentions weren't racist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 aint, sorry, but I disagree. Holepuncture doesn't say whether he thinks rape is or isn't a pakistani problem, he is instead singling out a race for criticism on flimsy evidence. In fact he has gone much further than Jack Straw did, claiming that it is 'children' that are being targetted. This has nothing to do with being politically correct, and everything to do with comon decency. Why single out any racial group? Especially when the overwhelming number of rapists in this country are white not asian. If you want, let's discuss this 'problem' 'out in the open and discuss it rationally', without the banding around terms such as 'PC' which are not useful to the debate. So I ask again, why single out Pakistanis if the intentions weren't racist? He singled out the pakistani thing because he was talking about immigration and the clash of cultures (the tribes of stuff is OTT though), it's not a rape thread. I have some friends who are of Pakistani/Bangledeshi origin, they definitely treat and view white girls differently from girls of their race. When they were in Southampton at Uni they behaved disgracefully and there was a racist element to their behaviour. I'm not saying all asians are like this or badly treating women is not a problem in all races, but the viewing of white girls as "easy meat" is an issue IMO, and it doesn't do anyone any favours if it is swept under the carpet, in fact ignore issue like plays in the hands of muppets like the BNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 oooohh, those comments at the bottom were actually his? ****ing hell, ok, apologies everyone, I thought they were ALL comments from the media and he was posting it in an ironic sense, ridiculing the untermensch (yes I'm being ironic there too) of this country. Yes, don't need this sort of thing thanks. And apologies to those of you who thought I was turning a blind eye, or worse, condoning this thread, I read it too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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