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Have just read the 2nd half thread on here.

 

 

My present percentage predictions are:

 

Saints to be champions 30%

Saints to be runners-up 40%

Saints to win play-offs 7%

Saints to lose in play-offs 12%

Saints to fail to make top 6 1%

 

If anyone disagrees wildly with these figures (for example, someone who claims there is "no way we will get automatic promotion or win the play-offs"), I'd be delighted to arrange a private wager.

 

If those who disagree wildly won't place a private wager on outcomes that they portray as the sort of racing certainty that any sensible person would be willing to put their house on, can they please, please, please just shut the f**k up for a while?

 

Here ends the lesson.

 

Ooops...make that

 

Saints to be champions 32%

Saints to be runners-up 43%

Saints to win play-offs 9%

Saints to lose in play-offs 15%

Saints to fail to make top 6 1%

 

See...I can't even add up to 100%...surely the doomsayers want to place a bet with me????

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Is the bus big enough though?

 

Not Sure. I do know that Brighton's isn't good enough though!

 

http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Latest/0,,10433~2303320,00.html

 

Gus Poyet insists the disruption to Albion's pre-match routine had nothing to do with the below-par performance against MK Dons.

The squad were forced to travel to stadium:mk in a convoy of taxis after the team coach broke down at the team's hotel prior to the game.

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The hubris and conceit in this post is simply outstanding...Especially that last line

 

We have a helluva lot of work to do to win 2nd place. We've got to make those games-in-hand count for a start. Brighton are 7pts ahead of us with the same number of games played, unless they fall apart we are not going to make that up. There is now quite a gap between 6th and 7th, so we are probably on the verge of winning a play-off place already, but the playoffs are a f**king lottery.

 

My predictions :

 

 

Saints to be champions 10%

Saints to be runners-up 30%

Saints to win play-offs 15%

Saints to lose in play-offs 44%

Saints to fail to make top 6 1%

 

So when you say, there's "no way" we'll get automatic promotion or win the play-offs, what you actually mean is that it's 55% likely that we, in fact, will.....

 

And if you think Saints are 9/1 to win the league, how much of a bet will you take at these odds? (or even odds of 8/1 or 7/1 or 6/1 or 5/1 or 4/1)?

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And your solution to this is to ban people who you dont agree with ?

 

Outstanding. Maybe you should think on how tw*tty that post of yours was.

 

To be fair alpine you do regularly say stupid things. In case you didn't know a match lasts for 90 minutes.

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To be fair alpine you do regularly say stupid things. In case you didn't know a match lasts for 90 minutes.

 

Its your right to consider my posts stupid, and my right to make them in the first place.

 

People who mewl and puke about handing out bans for daring to express a different opinion have major issues.

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The hubris and conceit in this post is simply outstanding...Especially that last line

 

We have a helluva lot of work to do to win 2nd place. We've got to make those games-in-hand count for a start. Brighton are 7pts ahead of us with the same number of games played, unless they fall apart we are not going to make that up. There is now quite a gap between 6th and 7th, so we are probably on the verge of winning a play-off place already, but the playoffs are a f**king lottery.

 

My predictions :

 

 

Saints to be champions 10%

Saints to be runners-up 30%

Saints to win play-offs 15%

Saints to lose in play-offs 44%

Saints to fail to make top 6 1%

 

Contradicting yourself again Alps:

 

On the match thread you said, "No way can we get automatic promotion or win the play-offs now"

 

Yet here you give Saints a 55% chance of promotion.

 

Which is it?

 

N.B. Please feel free to being a bit hysterical when you 'read' that swindon had equalised.

 

(For those who were unaware, Alps doesn't even listen to a match commentary; he merely bases all his opinions on things other people, such as St. Lard - who only ever has bad things to say about NA, write about the match as it is happening.)

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Its your right to consider my posts stupid, and my right to make them in the first place.

 

People who mewl and puke about handing out bans for daring to express a different opinion have major issues.

 

Well, I guess it's your opinion that something which will "no way" happen actually has a 55% chance of happening.....

 

Just to be clear, I don't have a major issue with people who "express a different opinion" to the conventional norms of mathematics and logic....

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So when you say, there's "no way" we'll get automatic promotion or win the play-offs, what you actually mean is that it's 55% likely that we, in fact, will.....

 

And if you think Saints are 9/1 to win the league, how much of a bet will you take at these odds? (or even odds of 8/1 or 7/1 or 6/1 or 5/1 or 4/1)?

 

Yes, I was severely p*ssed off at 4:15 your time this afternoon, since we let a Austin-less Swindon back into the game (and it was coming for the preceeding 30mins) and maybe I overreacted a bit. But I still feel that our ability to be promoted hangs in the balance, so percentages which roughly equate to 50-50 reflect that.

 

I dont make bets with strangers on the internet any more, ever since I was shafted when a dishonest Gooner didnt pay up.

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Its your right to consider my posts stupid, and my right to make them in the first place.

 

People who mewl and puke about handing out bans for daring to express a different opinion have major issues.

 

I actually think you're a valuable contribtor to laugh at so i'd never want to see you stop posting.

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Yes, I was severely p*ssed off at 4:15 your time this afternoon, since we let a Austin-less Swindon back into the game (and it was coming for the preceeding 30mins) and maybe I overreacted a bit. But I still feel that our ability to be promoted hangs in the balance, so percentages which roughly equate to 50-50 reflect that.

 

I dont make bets with strangers on the internet any more, ever since I was shafted when a dishonest Gooner didnt pay up.

 

You must have made massive bets with the bookies then.

 

Something which you think is 9/1 is only available at 2/1. You must be laying off a fortune on those odds.

 

You think promotion is evens, but the market odds are between 1/2 and 1/4....again, you must be laying off a fortune.

 

I'm happy to exchange contact details - and even deposit the money now.

 

At 9/1 on being champions, I'd like to bet a sizeable amount (and it's me taking the big risk here - my stake would only be a tenth of my possible winnings)

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Yes, I was severely p*ssed off at 4:15 your time this afternoon, since we let a Austin-less Swindon back into the game (and it was coming for the preceeding 30mins) and maybe I overreacted a bit. But I still feel that our ability to be promoted hangs in the balance, so percentages which roughly equate to 50-50 reflect that.

 

I dont make bets with strangers on the internet any more, ever since I was shafted when a dishonest Gooner didnt pay up.

 

Lol.

 

I'd say equating odds of 55% with 0% counts as more than a "bit" of an overreaction.

 

In fact, I'd say it was an utterly monumental over-reaction...

 

But as long as you admit you are prone to these extreme, wild, colossal and - frankly - innumerate overreactions while Saints games are in progress, then at least people can discount the opinions you are expressing accordingly.....

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Originally posted by me

I was on the match thread here and then went for a snooze in the second half and woke up after full time. I saw the result and then, just for fun, went for a quick browse of the second half thread. Perhaps some posters should be banned from posting until the end of games, although the end of the season might be preferable... As me dad used to say, "no names, no pack drill", but really, the comments from some posters were so predictable when swindon had the gall to have a spell of possession and Saints had a period slightly less than fully in control. So thanks to those who posted who were actually at the match and had a more reasonable view, or perhaps realise a bit more the realities of footie.

 

And your solution to this is to ban people who you dont agree with ?

 

Outstanding. Maybe you should think on how tw*tty that post of yours was.

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Firstly, I didn't mention any names, but perhaps you are more self-aware than I thought.. if the cap fits, and all that.

 

Secondly, it confirms that you have abolutely no sense of humour or irony at all; perhaps you aren't British! To take my comment 'Perhaps some posters should be banned..' seriously shows either you take yourself completely seriously or,.. I don't know: other suggestions welcome.

 

Either way, having re-considered my original post I'm quite happy to stand by it, and in the scale of ****tyness here I am a mere humble apprentice.

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Originally posted by me

 

 

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Firstly, I didn't mention any names, but perhaps you are more self-aware than I thought.. if the cap fits, and all that.

 

Secondly, it confirms that you have abolutely no sense of humour or irony at all; perhaps you aren't British! To take my comment 'Perhaps some posters should be banned..' seriously shows either you take yourself completely seriously or,.. I don't know: other suggestions welcome.

 

Either way, having re-considered my original post I'm quite happy to stand by it, and in the scale of ****tyness here I am a mere humble apprentice.

 

Ahhhh, bless....give him a break, suewhistle.

 

The first step to overcoming a problem is admitting you have one.

 

And in his last few posts on here, Alpine takes the first few steps towards admitting he has a problem.

 

I, for one, am rooting for him.

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Look - count my posts. Not very many.

The last few have all been inspired by Alpine.

When I say inspired what I mean is I am largely a reader of this forum (I actually have a life so don't have 90000 posts to my name - I'm too busy talking to people in front of me). Anyway I digress.

He has annoyed me to the extent where I actually have to do some stuff on my keyboard. Time and time again he is proven to be a complete cockface with his opinions from deepest darkest Austria.

Never goes to games.. is probably the most divisive poster ever (on this board and Keith;s)

 

Let's make a pact.... as soon as Alpine comments we no longer comment on the thread and that thread dies.

Maybe he will then get the wake up call he so badly needs.

 

Anyone with me?? :)

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Never mind the bickering, what did you all think of the result?

 

I must admit, I was a little bit concerned when they equalised. You could see it coming. The last fifteen minutes of the first half we had lost all sense of purpose and I was afraid that our usual lack of a clinical finish would comeback to haunt us.

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Hope you didn't put words like that in your lesson plans, Sue. They're not even proper words, you know.

 

Which ones? Gawd, it's late on Saturday night, dontchaknow?

 

Wessex Saint... I'm tempted, but then I'd be taking the whole thing too seriously. It's entertainment really, in between other more serious matters like this bottle of Hobgoblin and the half a chapter of a detective novel in Sicilian dialect I'm off to read. Night...

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Never mind the bickering, what did you all think of the result?

 

I must admit, I was a little bit concerned when they equalised. You could see it coming. The last fifteen minutes of the first half we had lost all sense of purpose and I was afraid that our usual lack of a clinical finish would comeback to haunt us.

 

Yes how did this thread turn into the usual Happy clappy/wrist slasher fest we won 4-1 and as usual people are more worried about sticking it to people who have a different opinon from them than having a grown up disscussion about the match (both the good and bad bits)

 

I agree with you after the first goal we lost our way a bit. Last 20mins though we played some outstanding football.

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Being objective, I agree with last post we did lose our way a bit,and I have to say that we should really ignore last 20 mins because ST looked shot at that point. What does worry me still is the lack of bite and passion in CM. Hammond for 20 mins either side of HT was a passenger.He was jogging back, not tracking back, couldn't even get a challenge in at this point and spent most of his time shouting at others. Chaplow then seemed to catch his disease which coincided with Swindon scoring. Llalana was remonstrating with both of them at one point.

 

This lack of bite in CM has been a worry all season - Spiderman comes on, and plays very effectively so credit to NA for changing it.....but what is our best CM set up - not sure Gobern is the answer either.....slightly worrying is that I don't think NA knows either. On the plus side Llalana awesome, Lambert back to somewhere near best, Butterfield was sheer class today didn't put a foot wrong - v.composed and MOM for me.

 

Crunch time is upon us.We have to make the games in hand count, and putting our foot in away from home and "wanting it" more will be key. Hammond/Chaplow take note !!.

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A far better result than the performance suggests. Although we deserved the win, after about 15 and before 60 minutes on the clock we were really quite poor, lethargic and lacklustre, with some of the passing and the communication extremely poor. Swindon were a 'back to basics' team as you'd expect for one on such a poor run, and once we went ahead at 2-1 we were always going to win - their equaliser was preceded by such an obvious foul on Lambert it was embarrassing for a referee that otherwise had such a good game. I'm not too displeased at the performance in the first 15 minutes and the last 30 delivering such a result though - Barnard and Scheiderlin were excellent when they came on and I reckon must be in with a chance of starting the next game. On the face of it, we've convincingly despatched a side that was desperately lacking cohoesion up front and was short on confidence, so in all honestly there's not too much wrong with that. Jaidi was man of the match -yes, I mean that, you Lallana fan boys who seem to think that football is only played in one half of the pitch. Bring on Walsall - see you there...

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Frustrated though I was for a brief period in the second-half when we found it almost impossible to keep possession, I was seriously impressed with how things

changed after the substitutions. There was a move towards the end of the game when we passed the ball around, leaving the Swindon players flummoxed and eventually a fine cross from Lambert saw Lallana put a loping header just wide. I hope I'm not exaggerating when I say even the Arsenal would have been proud of such patience, movement and fluidity.

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Look - count my posts. Not very many.

The last few have all been inspired by Alpine.

When I say inspired what I mean is I am largely a reader of this forum (I actually have a life so don't have 90000 posts to my name - I'm too busy talking to people in front of me). Anyway I digress.

He has annoyed me to the extent where I actually have to do some stuff on my keyboard. Time and time again he is proven to be a complete cockface with his opinions from deepest darkest Austria.

Never goes to games.. is probably the most divisive poster ever (on this board and Keith;s)

 

Let's make a pact.... as soon as Alpine comments we no longer comment on the thread and that thread dies.

Maybe he will then get the wake up call he so badly needs.

 

Anyone with me?? :)

 

Lordy. So much bile and venom. I pity you, to get so outraged with someone for daring to post his opinion.

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A very enjoyable game. My second son attended alongside me and the eldest son for the first time this season and he had a great time. I lost my voice and then had a 40th birthday party in the evening where I had to lubricate the damaged vocal chords. We panicked for a while at 1-1 but in the end were comfortable winners. I can't understand why Barnard doesn't start and it was good to see Morgan back.

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St Bobby

I will have a tenner with you on Saints NOT going up automatically

 

I'm not a betting man, so not sure how the odds work, but St Bobby has us down as having a 75% chance of going up automatically. Does that mean we are 3/1 for not going up automatically???

 

If so, I'll take £50 on not going up automatically at 3/1.

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far too casual and complacent in the first half, much better and sharper in the second. Agree barnard was a good addition as he added some spice up front, Guly is frustrating to watch.

Butterfield terrible in the first, more assured in the second and I thought chaplow tackled well.

 

IMO Guly was only taken off because of an injury.

He appeared to be holding his hamstring and i thought with the previous attach he may have "tweaked" his hamstring. If I am correct that is a minimum of 10 days.

 

I also think Rickie enjoys playing with Lee more than Guly, in that as a pair they play closer together.

Guly and Rickie play too far apart, most of the problem imo comes from the lack of movement from Rickie, not Guly.

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Agree with Saint Bobby's analysis.

 

It was indeed a game of three thirds with us losing our way in the middle third. We should have been two or three up by the end of the first third but, as we weren't, the middle third almost became a problem. Luckily Swindon decided to defend badly for a couple of well taken set pieces and that made the difference. They were beaten once the second went in and we were able to coast out the game and knock it around.

 

Agree that Barnard should start the next game. I am a fan of Guly and I thought he played pretty well yesterday but Barnard knows how to get the end result at this level and is excellent at winning free-kicks which is something we miss when he isn't there.

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Great result but Swindon did make us look very ordinary and lazy in a couple of spells and that is going to cost us dear against better clubs.

Lallana was excellent....a very important signing,probably the best bit of business done in the transfer window.

I thought Hammond looked a bit sluggish yesterday and seemed a little unfit.

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Best part of this win for me was the reaction of the team to get straight back in the game then put it out of sight a minute later. Being a threat from set plays is so useful. Glad we got rid of the Swindon curse aswell. Gotta keep taking it game by game and make sure we win our games in hand. Today again showed how crucial lallana is to us. good win, onto the next.

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Sorry I meant Saint Lard, the bloke who can't credit Adkins with anything.

 

I will give him credit when i see fit.

 

For example when/if he gets us promoted,which in all fairness is the job he is here to do.

I don't think he deserves much until then,he has done nothing out of the ordinary.

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I will give him credit when i see fit.

 

For example when/if he gets us promoted,which in all fairness is the job he is here to do.

I don't think he deserves much until then,he has done nothing out of the ordinary.

 

if you can't judge until then why don't you stop moaning, wait until end of season - if promoted acknowledge he did his job, if not continue your moaning?

 

2 points per game!

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if you can't judge until then why don't you stop moaning, wait until end of season - if promoted acknowledge he did his job, if not continue your moaning?

 

2 points per game!

If i think his decision making is wrong,and/or the players are underachieving and this is detremental to our promotion push i will critisize.

Morgan should have started as should've Barnard.

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I will give him credit when i see fit.

 

For example when/if he gets us promoted,which in all fairness is the job he is here to do.

I don't think he deserves much until then,he has done nothing out of the ordinary.

 

Don't you think he deserves to be supported while in the process of delivering? Its not as if he has failed is it?

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I'll go along with most of that. Morgan and Lee did well when they came on, but to go on a run we need players to step up to the plate consistently. I have lost count of either Morgan, Hammond or Chaplow being the difference in midfield, only to go off the boil and wait for one of the others to pick up the challenge. Not knocking Lee, but when was the last time he went on a decent run?

 

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Hardly ever being in the starting line up doesn't really give him much of a chance to go on a run does it!!

 

I'd hazard a guess that his goal return per minute on the pitch is probably the best at the club this season.

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So Alps gets so wound up when the game is not going well, that he sees a miserable reuly and future... so what I was following it online and nearly chucked the lap top out the window when Swindon equalised... a few sary words added for good measure. I dont necessariy agree with Alps that often, but frustration during games only comes from passion as a fan. Some see the glass half empty all the time, others half full, does it really matter when there is the same volume in the glass? I am naturally positive, in that gioven our 3 games in hand we should be promoted automatically - but the caveat is that we still have some tough away games to come... it will be tight, and exiting (no smut please), which is about all you can ask for.

 

As to those miserable sods who still remain 'unconvinced' by Adkins - why is it? Sure he has been given the resources etc, but football s never taht simple, otherwise why is Ancelotti struglling at Chelsea this season? It's always easy to criticise, but a win is a win and 3 points in the bag. If Adkins does not get us promoted we know he may struggle to remain in charge - but i for one think that is sad. He has been here some 6 months and is still building his team... yes he has made mistakes, and will make more as all managers do, but right now when its crunch time he deserves to be given our support... we can argur about what went wrong or right in May.

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I'll get slaughtered for this but here goes.

 

I don't think we look like an automatic promotion team and think we will bottle it in the play offs.

 

Sure there were some good bits yesterday, but there were some bad ones as well. The only thing that got us going yesterday was the equaliser and when you consider whats at stake in each and every game we play now, that is disappointing.

 

Our movement was shocking until we had the two goal buffer and Swindon were out of it at that point.

 

I'm not complaining at a win, it's just an observation

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I'm not sure which game some of you were watching but it doesn't sound like the one i was. We started well, Chamberlain unlucky not to score when he hit the post, but after the goal we were awful. Failed to put two passes together and a better side than Swindon would have punished us, two or three times the final pass let them down when attacking and they clearly lacked confidence. Their equalizer was on the cards for a while and they were well on top until we scored the second. After the third goal we were well on top and it was only then that we played some decent football and could have scored a couple more, but make no mistake, for 70 minutes we were poor and 4-1, whilst a good win, did not reflect the game which against a better side thn Swindon we would have lost.

 

And another thing, If Barnard doesn't start on tuesday Adkins is mental. GUlly was totally innifective, again, and Barnard looked great when he came on and caused them all sorts of problems.

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