hypochondriac Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I agree. It's turned out brilliantly for you and for us. now back to the thread... Again, you don't know me so you can't form a proper opinion based on an internet messageboard. I'm sure you would find me personable in real life. I suspect the feeling would not be mutual though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I went to private school. I was bullied a lot but I was bummed a lot too, so it wasn't all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Since my question went unanswered by our resident foamers, I'll try again. Would one of you please give your OWN specific, non-googled examples of programmes exhibiting rabid left wing bias, on a par with Beck or Hannity on Fox News? A media-studies dissection of the Trotskyist agenda of Top Gear, for example, or the communist signifiers of herds of animals in Human Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I went to private school because it was the best school in the area and gave me the best chance of doing well in my exams. If I hadn't gone to the school I went to then I wouldn't have got the results I got. Simple. You're trying to prove a negative here which isn't possible unless you can go back in time to another school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I went to comprehensive school the last time the Tories were in charge and it was sh!t. My brothers one and only field trip was to Stonehenge, the school couldn't afford the entrance fee so parked on the road opposite and made them look through the fence. My main lingering memory from school was a PSE class where the council estate kids made the teacher cry whilst a fit girl got fingered by my mate at the back of the class. Many classes were mixed ability which meant the thick hard kids made any sort of education impossible, bullying was the norm - too many ****ed up stories to mention. If I had kids i would make sure they went private. It's common sense unless you get into a half decent school due to where you live. Whilst I said that I just realised, what is the difference between getting into a decent state school because of your proximity to that school and going to a private school due to the amount of money you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It's common sense unless you get into a half decent school due to where you live. Whilst I said that I just realised, what is the difference between getting into a decent state school because of your proximity to that school and going to a private school due to the amount of money you have? I'd have thought a private education would have easily given you an answer to that question. Oh dear. Now back to the thread - examples please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Public schools are more about building a network of friends than the grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Public schools are more about building a network of friends than the grades. Examples of bias please. And make sure it's your own work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 You're trying to prove a negative here which isn't possible unless you can go back in time to another school. The school got the best results in the area. Knowing the type of person I am, the private school that I went to allowed me to get the best results that I could. I had not seen or experienced another school environment which was more beneficial to my learning. It is possible that I could have got better marks elsewhere (I doubt it) but the private school must have been doing something right as it was easily getting the best results in the area every year, and had done so for about 15 straight years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 The school got the best results in the area. Knowing the type of person I am, the private school that I went to allowed me to get the best results that I could. I had not seen or experienced another school environment which was more beneficial to my learning. It is possible that I could have got better marks elsewhere (I doubt it) but the private school must have been doing something right as it was easily getting the best results in the area every year, and had done so for about 15 straight years. Focus, hypo - dune has his excuses but an Old Etonian like yourself should be able to do it. Examples of bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 No council tax rise though. Under the Socialists councils would've hiked council tax to keep people in their made up jobs. ...yet! They have raised everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Examples of bias please. And make sure it's your own work. Who the **** are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Focus, hypo - dune has his excuses but an Old Etonian like yourself should be able to do it. Examples of bias. I made no such claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Who the **** are you? Is that on BBC1 or 2? And isn't it called Who Do You Think You Are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 The school got the best results in the area. Knowing the type of person I am, the private school that I went to allowed me to get the best results that I could. I had not seen or experienced another school environment which was more beneficial to my learning. It is possible that I could have got better marks elsewhere (I doubt it) but the private school must have been doing something right as it was easily getting the best results in the area every year, and had done so for about 15 straight years. They obviously didn't teach you logic. You cannot prove that wouldn't have done better at another school. You may think that it was unlikely but it cannot be proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Is that on BBC1 or 2? And isn't it called Who Do You Think You Are? Its probably the downmarket sky rip off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Is that on BBC1 or 2? And isn't it called Who Do You Think You Are? Good programme. Maybe if you were on it you'd find you and me were related. I had relatives who were in the British army at the time of the Raj so it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Who the **** are you? Actually now you mention it, I can see the socialistic encoding in Who Do You Think You Are. It's rewriting history. And don't get me started on Crimewatch - shopping all those entrepreneurial criminals to the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I'd have thought a private education would have easily given you an answer to that question. Oh dear. Now back to the thread - examples please Goodness who got us onto this private education theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I made no such claims. So why on earth are you here, other than to advertise your superior GCSEs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Goodness who got us onto this private education theme? Come on Sergei. One last go. Your original musings on bias in specific BBC programmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Goodness who got us onto this private education theme? Delldays. It was the best he could do, poor thing. Why am I still waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So why on earth are you here, other than to advertise your superior GCSEs? I made no reference to what grades I got. Stop inventing stuff odd person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I made no reference to what grades I got. Stop inventing stuff odd person. So to sum up, you have crap GCSEs despite your private education, and no one among our resident foamers can come up with a single instance of BBC bias on a par with Hannity or Beck on Fox News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So to sum up, you have crap GCSEs despite your private education, and no one among our resident foamers can come up with a single instance of BBC bias on a par with Hannity or Beck on Fox News. Or perhaps we're not lowering ourselves to reply to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Or perhaps we're not lowering ourselves to reply to you. So I see. Because it's so unreasonable a question. After all, this thread was started by a (scooby-like) foamer with the express purpose of decrying BBC bias. And yet here are, going on for 200 posts, and no one has come up with a single example of BBC bias to compare with Hannity or Beck. It's not looking good, is it dune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 To be fair, Verbal has got you all there. It's the crux of this thread and yet nobody has come up with any evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 nor do i...but this is a media coporation not national education would you pay for others to send their kids to private education...? No, its not. The BBC is a public service broadcaster as opposed to a profit-making enterprise, and is run in the interests of the British public in its entirety. You can disagree with its output, but they have a charter that allows you to formally challenge that output if you feel it isnt balanced or unbiased. What would the murdochs say if you wrote to their CEO and said you thought they werent treating a particular issue/party/social group fairly? Newscorp doesnt have to answer to you just because you pay for their product, but the BBC does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It's gone quiet. dune's probably doing some research. On YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 So to sum up, you have crap GCSEs despite your private education, and no one among our resident foamers can come up with a single instance of BBC bias on a par with Hannity or Beck on Fox News. 'the predatory, malign influence of Murdoch' etc etc - who's the foamer? I think Verbal you are struggling to understand the nature of the debate on BBC bias. I assume as you have refused to state which of the quotes attributed to the likes of Andrew Marr, Jane Garvey, Peter Sissons or Paxman are made up that you accept them to be true? In which case they acknowledge that there is a liberal left wing bias in the very culture of the organisation. It is this subtle bias that underpins much of the news coverage we receive. It is not so black and white as to be identifiable in programmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It is not so black and white as to be identifiable in programmes Really. So the BBC is not biased in any of its programmes, but some its staff have some political opinions. Is that the absolute best the foaming wing of Saintsweb can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 'the predatory, malign influence of Murdoch' etc etc - who's the foamer? I think Verbal you are struggling to understand the nature of the debate on BBC bias. I assume as you have refused to state which of the quotes attributed to the likes of Andrew Marr, Jane Garvey, Peter Sissons or Paxman are made up that you accept them to be true? In which case they acknowledge that there is a liberal left wing bias in the very culture of the organisation. It is this subtle bias that underpins much of the news coverage we receive. It is not so black and white as to be identifiable in programmes You can contact the BBC here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/feedback/contact/ to express your dissatisfaction. Could you furnish me with the equivalent service at Sky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Really. So the BBC is not biased in any of its programmes, but some its staff have some political opinions. Is that the absolute best the foaming wing of Saintsweb can do? I was going to ask 'you to be a phone a friend' when I get on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire but for all those long prentious words you are not as bright as you portray yourself. It is quite a straight forward argument; do you just not get it? Here goes then (can you tell me which quotes are wrongly attributed? It's not a conspiracy. It's visceral (Verbal makes mental note to use this word in future postings) They think they are on the middle ground", Jeff Randall former BBC Business Editor, in The Observer, Jan 15th, 2006 "The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It's a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias", Andrew Marr "I do remember... the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I'll always remember that" Jane Garvey "We need to foster peculiarity, idiosyncrasy, stubborn-mindedness, left-of-centre thinking." Ben Stephenson BBC Drama Commissioning Controller Peter Sissons says left-wing bias and political correctness is 'written through the BBC's very DNA' Is this straight forwa\rd enough for you. You can revert to being rude to me again now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I think my bank is a bargin....in the rates I get..do you think the bankers are a bargain..? yeah, wrecking the worlds economy - what a bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 And for these heinous crimes of BBC staff having some political opinions, no one makes a single claim about any actual programmes. You REALLY must try harder Sergei. If the BBC is biased in ANY meaningful way, it must surely exhibit itself in the programmes it makes. So give us an example of ANYTHING even remotely on a par with Hannity or Beck. Or, just anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 You can contact the BBC here http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/feedback/contact/ to express your dissatisfaction. Could you furnish me with the equivalent service at Sky? http://order-order.com/2010/04/19/labour-candidate-is-bbc-bias-complaints-judge/ Yes remind me to do that Scotty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbul Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 It's unlucky for them, but it has to be done. Labour left us with a £155 billion deficit. As I understand it, the national debt at the moment stands at 11% of the GDP. And this hasn't been left to us by the last government but from a general global economic collapse and the greed of the multinational banks. Anyway, national debt; 11% of the GDP. This really isn't that desperate and certainly doesn't mean that we have to make savage cuts at the public sector, NHS, civil service etc. Don't forget that in 1948, when we had just fought a long and bloody war, the national debt stood at nearly 50% of the GDP and what did we do then? Introduced a welfare state and national health service that was and could still be, the envy of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Admit it Sergei, you cheated. you have just copied and pasted your ENTIRE comment from here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user-comments/HenryTree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 http://order-order.com/2010/04/19/labour-candidate-is-bbc-bias-complaints-judge/ Yes remind me to do that Scotty. The point is Sergei that you can do it. Plenty of criticism about the BBC gets aired every Friday at 1:30 pm on Radio 4, how many programmes do sky broadcast that are dedicated to dealing with complaints about their programming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 And for these heinous crimes of BBC staff having some political opinions, no one makes a single claim about any actual programmes. You REALLY must try harder Sergei. If the BBC is biased in ANY meaningful way, it must surely exhibit itself in the programmes it makes. So give us an example of ANYTHING even remotely on a par with Hannity or Beck. Or, just anything... I really cannot present my argument more clearly. Read the quotes and maybe comment on what it means for the tone of the news coverage (is the news not a programme) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I had the chance to go to a public school through a trust fund that friends of the family had which they could transfer to whoever, but I was 12 or 13 at the time and I didn't want to leave the school I was at. didnt make the entry exam then? - thicko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I really cannot present my argument more clearly. Read the quotes and maybe comment on what it means for the tone of the news coverage (is the news not a programme) Alright, I'll make an exception for you. Give me your analysis of last night's news. Present all the evidence of rabid left-wing bias that you can find. And don't go creeping off to the Guardian (shame on you) websites to cut and paste your answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Alright, I'll make an exception for you. Give me your analysis of last night's news. Present all the evidence of rabid left-wing bias that you can find. And don't go creeping off to the Guardian (shame on you) websites to cut and paste your answers. i think your to clever for that lot and running rings around them making them look like idiots.....unless they are idiots but no one would be that stupid ? would they... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I was going to ask 'you to be a phone a friend' when I get on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire but for all those long prentious words you are not as bright as you portray yourself. It is quite a straight forward argument; do you just not get it? Here goes then (can you tell me which quotes are wrongly attributed? It's not a conspiracy. It's visceral (Verbal makes mental note to use this word in future postings) They think they are on the middle ground", Jeff Randall former BBC Business Editor, in The Observer, Jan 15th, 2006 "The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It's a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias", Andrew Marr "I do remember... the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I'll always remember that" Jane Garvey "We need to foster peculiarity, idiosyncrasy, stubborn-mindedness, left-of-centre thinking." Ben Stephenson BBC Drama Commissioning Controller Peter Sissons says left-wing bias and political correctness is 'written through the BBC's very DNA' Is this straight forwa\rd enough for you. You can revert to being rude to me again now. Thank god for the libaral BBC, to think I couldve been born in Saudi Arabia (shudder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 1 March, 2011 Share Posted 1 March, 2011 Alright, I'll make an exception for you. Give me your analysis of last night's news. Present all the evidence of rabid left-wing bias that you can find. And don't go creeping off to the Guardian (shame on you) websites to cut and paste your answers. Very good at asking questions not so good at answering them. Back to those quotes, talk me through them and what they say about the culture at the Beeb. Maybe then you may understand why many suggest the BBC has a left wing bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 1 March, 2011 Share Posted 1 March, 2011 Alright, I'll make an exception for you. Give me your analysis of last night's news. Present all the evidence of rabid left-wing bias that you can find. And don't go creeping off to the Guardian (shame on you) websites to cut and paste your answers. I am afraid I do not read the Guardian Verbal; it is for lefties and surprisingly where the BBC does almost al of its recruitment. Nice try though. Still no comment on what the quotes say about the BBC? Are they made up? Do speak.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 1 March, 2011 Share Posted 1 March, 2011 Still hard of reading, I see, Sergei. This has been asked and answered. I'll give it another go on the offchance you'll understand. It doesn't matter what people say about their opinions. ANY line of a statement can be ripped out of context and made to appear to support this cuase or that. For example, the line you quote from Peter Sissons also includes this: At any given time there is a BBC line on everything of importance, a line usually adopted in the light of which way its senior echelons believe the political wind is blowing. This line is rarely spelled out explicitly, but percolates subtly throughout the organisation. It's a criticism that many would recognise - that the BBC tends to sway with whoever is in power. As for the others, Stephenson CLEARLY meant 'left-field' (read the original statement), Garvey talking about champagne bottles? Gosh! Really? BBC employees drink alcohol? Etc, etc. And for every quote you can find a counter-quote. For example, against Marr's 'gays and ethnic minorities' point, there is Greg Dyke's (a Tory, remember) complaint about the BBC being 'hideously white'. An outspoken Tory runs a channel at the beeb...and so on. But NONE of this matters. What matters is the programmes. Otherwise how does the BBC transmit its bias? Do they do it by some means of transfusion straight into your bloodstream? Are they the bad guys out of The Matrix? Programmes have to show 'bias'. Who is the Hannnity or Beck of the BBC? Tell us! Why are you so coy? Is your argument so pathetic that you can't find a single example? And what programmes on the BBC consistently reveal a Marxist ideology (in dune's empty-headed phrase) or at least persuade us to erect an left-wing Orwellian totalitarian state? Give us your own textual analysis of how this bias occurs and where it can be found. Just a few examples. Is that so hard? I'm waiting. Not just for you, but for your foam-at-the-mouth chums like dune who, having slung the accusation of left-wing bias out there, runs away and hides when asked to provide the slightest evidence in actual programme content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 March, 2011 Share Posted 1 March, 2011 I've found someone who admits the BBC was biased towards the left, The Director General Mark Thompson http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23873043-bbc-chief-mark-thompson-admits-left-wing-bias.do For lefties to want me to pay a TV poll tax as some sort of balance against News International is bizzare. Perhaps we should have a national newspaper to counter The Sun and Times. Even if you dont read it, you can be sent to jail for not paying for the "The National Daily". I keep reading how wonderful the BBC is, what great value for money it is, and how people love it. Then pay for it via a subscripition. I can then make a decision as to whther I want to spend my money on it or not. At present the only choice I have is: pay it, dont watch any channels, or go to jail. I would have thought a tax that is not based on your ability to pay was against all the lefties principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 1 March, 2011 Share Posted 1 March, 2011 I've found someone who admits the BBC was biased towards the left, The Director General Mark Thompson http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23873043-bbc-chief-mark-thompson-admits-left-wing-bias.do For lefties to want me to pay a TV poll tax as some sort of balance against News International is bizzare. Perhaps we should have a national newspaper to counter The Sun and Times. Even if you dont read it, you can be sent to jail for not paying for the "The National Daily". I keep reading how wonderful the BBC is, what great value for money it is, and how people love it. Then pay for it via a subscripition. I can then make a decision as to whther I want to spend my money on it or not. At present the only choice I have is: pay it, dont watch any channels, or go to jail. I would have thought a tax that is not based on your ability to pay was against all the lefties principles. Did you miss the phrase in the first paragraph 'in the past'? How selective IS your eyesight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 March, 2011 Share Posted 1 March, 2011 Did you miss the phrase in the first paragraph 'in the past'? How selective IS your eyesight? How selective is yours? "I've found someone who admits the BBC "WAS" biased towards the left, The Director General Mark Thompson" Can I get a refund on my licence fee for the period it broke it's charter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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