The BBCC

[solentstars]

Well your lefty types have no reason to complain as the BBC is biased in their favour. The BBC even spend 85% of their recruitment budget in that awful newspaper the Guardian. The BBC has been allowed to push it's leftwing agenda for too long. Personally i'd like to see it privatised.

 

sorry you having trouble reading a grown up papers like the guardian,times,telegraph,independent after failing at school but its aimed at very educated people , you best stick to the simple papers like the mail,express, beano,star,sport which you can understand.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Dune, I'm sure that all those being made redundant would of welcomed the cuts and wish to shake hands with Cameron for sorting their debts and families futures out so well. Surely they'd also like to thank you and delldays as well for proposing that Cameron gives them a whole three months to find another job before they and their kids have to go begging on the streets ending up in being given fines which no doubt they'll be happy to pay at the expense of having a roof over their heads, being warm and fed.

[Lord Duckhunter]

What say you about ITV then? The same arguments apply.

 

Itv has some public service obligations, but for all intents and purposes is a commercial organisation. Certainly to compare it to the BBC is competely wide of the mark. The BBC pay people too much, sent too many people around the World to sporting events ect and spend too much money making programmes that commercial channels are making already. Too much money is wasted on their web site. I can honestly say that I would not miss a single programme if I could block it and not pay my licenec fee. You like it and want to watch it? Then you pay for it, I dont expect you to pay for my Sky subscription, why should I be sent to jail for not paying for something I have no interest in watching.

[pedg]

Itv has some public service obligations, but for all intents and purposes is a commercial organisation. Certainly to compare it to the BBC is competely wide of the mark. The BBC pay people too much, sent too many people around the World to sporting events ect and spend too much money making programmes that commercial channels are making already. Too much money is wasted on their web site. I can honestly say that I would not miss a single programme if I could block it and not pay my licenec fee. You like it and want to watch it? Then you pay for it, I dont expect you to pay for my Sky subscription, why should I be sent to jail for not paying for something I have no interest in watching.

 

You might never watch ITV either but you are paying for that through the prices of all the items and services you buy who keep ITV going with their advertising spend. Unlike not owning a set and opting out of paying your TV licence you can't opt out of paying for ITV unless you refuse to purchase anything advertised on their channels. If you gave people the choice of:

 

a) Not paying their TV licence and having to do without the BBC Channels (and their website, which despite your dislike of is the most popular website in the UK)

 

b) Having a similar amount taken off their annual shop and not having ITV.

 

I know which I would choose, and it would not be a.

[Lord Duckhunter]

You might never watch ITV either but you are paying for that through the prices of all the items and services you buy who keep ITV going with their advertising spend. Unlike not owning a set and opting out of paying your TV licence you can't opt out of paying for ITV unless you refuse to purchase anything advertised on their channels. If you gave people the choice of:

 

a) Not paying their TV licence and having to do without the BBC Channels (and their website, which despite your dislike of is the most popular website in the UK)

 

b) Having a similar amount taken off their annual shop and not having ITV.

 

I know which I would choose, and it would not be b.

 

I could refuse to buy any products from ITV's adverts, that's my choice. However, I wont be thrown in jail for doing so. Companies have a budget for adverts, whether they be on TV, in the press, Radio and bill boards. If people stopped watching commercial TV stations then advertisers would pull out and they'd go bang. If people stopped watching the BBC they will still have to pay or risk being thrown in jail.

 

If the BBC is so wonderful, take away the threat of jail, make it a subscrption service and people will pay for it.

[bridge too far]

I could refuse to buy any products from ITV's adverts, that's my choice. However, I wont be thrown in jail for doing so. Companies have a budget for adverts, whether they be on TV, in the press, Radio and bill boards. If people stopped watching commercial TV stations then advertisers would pull out and they'd go bang. If people stopped watching the BBC they will still have to pay or risk being thrown in jail.

 

If the BBC is so wonderful, take away the threat of jail, make it a subscrption service and people will pay for it.

 

And therein lies the counter-argument. Commercial broadcasters are always watching their backs in case their advertisers don't like stuff they broadcast. Some of these advertisers are big, big business - many of whom contribute to political parties. It could be argued, therefore, that they have a significant influence on how and what is reported on commercial media (we see it all too often in newspapers).

 

I'm glad we have the BBC and I think it is impartial. It also produces magnificent programmes that earn shed loads abroad. As for sending 'too many people' to cover events, I would argue that BBC reporters and commentators are the best in the world. It's interesting that the first foreign correspondent allowed in Tripoli this week was the BBC's Jeremy Bowen. Because the BBC are held in such high regard.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Beeb is not impartial - ask Peter Sissons.

 

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

[bridge too far]

Beeb is not impartial - ask Peter Sissons.

 

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

 

So which broadcaster IS impartial, in your view?

 

I did chuckle at the link at the top of this site - to Sky News. Much lolage in the BTF household

[pedg]

Beeb is not impartial - ask Peter Sissons.

 

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

 

After all what could be better for pointing out even the most tenuous nature of perceived bias of the BBC than a completely bias blog.

[Verbal]

Beeb is not impartial - ask Peter Sissons.

 

http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/

 

Quoting maniacal, reds-under-every-bed, conspiracy-theory bloggers, as if what they say is gospel, doesn't exactly help your case.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

So which broadcaster IS impartial, in your view?

 

I did chuckle at the link at the top of this site - to Sky News. Much lolage in the BTF household

 

I am not saying that any broadcaster is impartial BTF just saying that the BBC is generally accepted by many for having a liberal left wing bias. You felt it wasn't; I am argueing that it is.

 

Sky news has a right to be impartial because people have the choice to subscribe to this. The BBC opt to use intimidating adverts to enforce the tax that keeps them in business.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Quoting maniacal, reds-under-every-bed, conspiracy-theory bloggers, as if what they say is gospel, doesn't exactly help your case.

 

So Verbal the quotes on the right hand side are made up?

[bridge too far]

I am not saying that any broadcaster is impartial BTF just saying that the BBC is generally accepted by many for having a liberal left wing bias. You felt it wasn't; I am argueing that it is.

 

Sky news has a right to be impartial because people have the choice to subscribe to this. The BBC opt to use intimidating adverts to enforce the tax that keeps them in business.

 

I guess you meant to type 'partial' here? What 'intimidating adverts' are you referring to? All I've seen is the occasional advert reminding people that they have to pay a licence and that there are ways of detecting fraudsters who haven't paid. No different to number plate recognition stuff used by the police to seek out car tax evaders.

 

Goodness me, when I compare the Value for Money I get for my TV licence to the mainly trash offered by the commercial broadcasters, I realise just how fortunate I am to have such a great public service broadcaster.

[pedg]

I am not saying that any broadcaster is impartial BTF just saying that the BBC is generally perceived by many who have rabid right wing views as having a liberal left wing bias.

 

There, corrected it for you.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I guess you meant to type 'partial' here? What 'intimidating adverts' are you referring to? All I've seen is the occasional advert reminding people that they have to pay a licence and that there are ways of detecting fraudsters who haven't paid. No different to number plate recognition stuff used by the police to seek out car tax evaders.

 

Goodness me, when I compare the Value for Money I get for my TV licence to the mainly trash offered by the commercial broadcasters, I realise just how fortunate I am to have such a great public service broadcaster.

 

If I recall the Beeb had to pull one of their adverts for being threatening a few years ago.

 

You may feel it is value for money but what if I don't? I still have to pay; that is wrong in my book. (I actually agree with you that it is good value for money)

[Saintandy666]

I guess you meant to type 'partial' here? What 'intimidating adverts' are you referring to? All I've seen is the occasional advert reminding people that they have to pay a licence and that there are ways of detecting fraudsters who haven't paid. No different to number plate recognition stuff used by the police to seek out car tax evaders.

 

Goodness me, when I compare the Value for Money I get for my TV licence to the mainly trash offered by the commercial broadcasters, I realise just how fortunate I am to have such a great public service broadcaster.

 

Spot on! The BBC is a bargain.

[pedg]

If I recall the Beeb had to pull one of their adverts for being threatening a few years ago.

 

So you are taking one advert from several years ago and generalising based on that?

 

Personally I can't remember the last time I saw a 'get your licence or else' advert but it was probably:

a) Several months ago.

b) No threatening

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

There, corrected it for you.

 

Which of the quotes is made up then Pedg? Remove your blinkers.

[Thedelldays]

Spot on! The BBC is a bargain.

 

I think my bank is a bargin....in the rates I get..do you think the bankers are a bargain..?

[SuperMikey]

The BBC, especially the news department, is excellent compared to some of the other sh!t out there - Exhibit A: 'Sky News'

 

[Saintandy666]

£145.50. That's £12.13 a month... A MONTH, for everything the BBC offers you; online, tv, radio and more. Just think what else you get for £12.13... the most basic sky package(the 'variety' package costs £19.50 a month.

[Thedelldays]

£145.50. That's £12.13 a month... A MONTH, for everything the BBC offers you; online, tv, radio and more. Just think what else you get for £12.13... the most basic sky package(the 'variety' package costs £19.50 a month.

 

it does not matter...I dont want to pay for it....I think rupert murdock is value for money for what I get....do you..?

but if you do or dont, it does not matter...you wont be paying for MY viewing pleasure....unless, would you be happy to pay me a slice of my sky bill..?

[Thedelldays]

The BBC, especially the news department, is excellent compared to some of the other sh!t out there - Exhibit A: 'Sky News'

 

 

again, that is a matter of opinion.......you CHOSE to pay for sky or not

[Saintandy666]

it does not matter...I dont want to pay for it....I think rupert murdock is value for money for what I get....do you..?

but if you do or dont, it does not matter...you wont be paying for MY viewing pleasure....unless, would you be happy to pay me a slice of my sky bill..?

 

SKY is different to the BBC though. It doesn't have the same broadcasting goals and regulations. If SKY was like the BBC though I'd be more than happy to do that.

[pedg]

it does not matter...I dont want to pay for it....

 

I think the word is.. Tough, you do. So if you could continue paying up so the rest of us can get quality TV rather than overpriced american series that were originally made popular on free to view channels and then gazumped by murdock that would be very kind of you thanks! I promise not to try and opt out of my tax payments for the armed forces in return.

[Thedelldays]

SKY is different to the BBC though. It doesn't have the same broadcasting goals and regulations. If SKY was like the BBC though I'd be more than happy to do that.

I could not give a flying fuk.

I am forced to pay for a service I really do not want to.....in an age where we are all tightening our belts and making savings and WANT value for money...the BBC....FOT ME simply is not.

 

that £145 I pay a year could put my car through its MOT or pay for car TAX.. could put it towards my council tax bill or my water rates etc...all of which are essential service to get about your every day life

[Thedelldays]

I think the word is.. Tough, you do. .

 

well, next time he bankers give themselves a bonus, please dont complain as TOUGH

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

£145.50. That's £12.13 a month... A MONTH, for everything the BBC offers you; online, tv, radio and more. Just think what else you get for £12.13... the most basic sky package(the 'variety' package costs £19.50 a month.

 

We are not asking wether the Beeb is good value just whether paying should be compulsory.

[pedg]

well, next time he bankers give themselves a bonus, please dont complain as TOUGH

 

TV licence in mandatory, but then I guess excessive greed amongst bankers appears to be to.

[Thedelldays]

TV licence in mandatory, but then I guess excessive greed amongst bankers appears to be to.

yep...tough

[pedg]

We are not asking wether the Beeb is good value just whether paying should be compulsory.

 

And how exactly would you enforce people not paying from using the BBC services? Or do you want the BBC to take adverts, taking revenue from the struggling ITV companies forcing their programs even more downhill?

[Verbal]

it does not matter...I dont want to pay for it....I think rupert murdock is value for money for what I get....do you..?

but if you do or dont, it does not matter...you wont be paying for MY viewing pleasure....unless, would you be happy to pay me a slice of my sky bill..?

 

You could see the licence fee as a tax on the stupid. The majority understand perfectly well that it represents good value - and it also keeps the predatory, malign influence of Murdoch at bay. There will always be a few who don't get it, either because they believe Murdoch's self-serving crap, or because they cannot reach for words to form a coherent sentence. The licence fee is a remarkably efficient way of delivering television at a fraction of the cost of what Sky does charge, and would charge if it ever succeeded in persuading enough fools to support the BBC's abolition, or demotion to a subscription service. So the majority benefit; the minority whine.

 

That doesn't mean the BBC is or should be above criticism. There's a lot it could do a lot better, and there's arguably a lot it could do a lot less of. But the funding model is still sound.

[bridge too far]

We are not asking wether the Beeb is good value just whether paying should be compulsory.

 

I don't 'use' schools and so far have only once in my life had to call the fire service and a couple of times the police. But I don't object to paying for them, even though I have no choice.

 

The BBC is a public service and, let's face it, in times of real national emergency it's the BBC that gives us the true picture and broadcasts necessary information.

[pedg]

We are not asking wether the Beeb is good value just whether paying should be compulsory.

 

Yes it should. If the money that goes to the BBC was included in your general income tax then you would be opening a very slippery slope of people opting out of paying for things they don't personally want. Its only because its a separate payment that you feel able to argue with it. Just try mentally including it with all the other taxes you pay (as you appear to consider it a tax) where a lot of that money probably goes to area's you would not pay for if you had a choice.

[Thedelldays]

Yes it should. If the money that goes to the BBC was included in your general income tax then you would be opening a very slippery slope of people opting out of paying for things they don't personally want. Its only because its a separate payment that you feel able to argue with it. Just try mentally including it with all the other taxes you pay (as you appear to consider it a tax) where a lot of that money probably goes to area's you would not pay for if you had a choice.

I also dont think other bits in our tax contribution are value for money.....but we are on about the BBC and it does have its own fee.....and I, in the crazy world we live in would like not to be thrown in jail if I chose not to pay for it...after all, its a media organisation that produces nothing that cant be found on the net, various sat tv channels.....

[Deppo]

I don't use nuclear submarines, and am willing to take my chances of not having them. But apparently, I have to pay my taxes to pay for them.

[Thedelldays]

I don't use nuclear submarines, and am willing to take my chances of not having them. But apparently, I have to pay my taxes to pay for them.

 

so the the BBC fee is a tax..?

you dont have to pay for it, go on the dole

[Saintandy666]

I also dont think other bits in our tax contribution are value for money.....but we are on about the BBC and it does have its own fee.....and I, in the crazy world we live in would like not to be thrown in jail if I chose not to pay for it...after all, its a media organisation that produces nothing that cant be found on the net, various sat tv channels.....

 

Don't get a TV then...

[Thedelldays]

Don't get a TV then...

well, the next time you cry about bankers bonuses...will remind you that you dont have to use them

[pedg]

so the the BBC fee is a tax..?

you dont have to pay for it, go on the dole

 

I though you and sergei thatcher were the ones claiming it was a tax? Make your mind up.

[scotty]

I don't use nuclear submarines, and am willing to take my chances of not having them. But apparently, I have to pay my taxes to pay for them.

 

I havent got any children of my own, but an element of my taxation (local and national) goes towards education, child benefit and childrens healthcare. I dont object to that.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

And how exactly would you enforce people not paying from using the BBC services? Or do you want the BBC to take adverts, taking revenue from the struggling ITV companies forcing their programs even more downhill?

 

Its should their problem not the consumers.

[Deppo]

Poor old delldays. Got himself all confused again.

[Thedelldays]

I havent got any children of my own, but an element of my taxation (local and national) goes towards education, child benefit and childrens healthcare. I dont object to that.

 

nor do i...but this is a media coporation not national education

would you pay for others to send their kids to private education...?

[Saintandy666]

nor do i...but this is a media coporation not national education

would you pay for others to send their kids to private education...?

 

How is that relevent as only the child benefits from the access to private education. Every licence fee payer gets access to the BBC.

[Verbal]

nor do i...but this is a media coporation not national education

would you pay for others to send their kids to private education...?

 

Your analogies are so entertainingly, off-the-wall, bizarrely wrong. Keep going.

[Thedelldays]

How is that relevent as only the child benefits from the access to PRIVATE education. Every licence fee payer gets access to the BBC.

 

and every tax payer has access to state education.....would you be happy to contribute to someone private education..?

if not, why not.....its education after all....

[Thedelldays]

Your analogies are so entertainingly, off-the-wall, bizarrely wrong. Keep going.

 

you are such a boring fuk

[Verbal]

and every tax payer has access to state education.....would you be happy to contribute to someone private education..?

if not, why not.....its education after all....

 

It's off the point, but I have bad news for you, delldays. You DO pay for private education - through making up the huge losses to the exchequer on tax exemptions because of charitable status.

[pedg]

Its should their problem not the consumers.

 

No, your thinking it typical of the right. Come up with what you think are great ideas but when you get to the nitty gritty its a totally crap unimplimentable idea. So what you do is ignore the fact something is not implementable and just go back to pushing your big idea.