benjii Posted 25 February, 2011 Share Posted 25 February, 2011 There's a big difference between killing something to eat and killing something for a laugh. You must be pretty simple not to understand that. Quite right - ask any animal and they will tell you they would rather be killed for food than for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 25 February, 2011 Share Posted 25 February, 2011 I don't agree with battery farming but the difference is killing animals for food is necessary, killing for a laugh is not. Like pigeons, pheasants, rabbits, foxes, crows, rooks & badgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 25 February, 2011 Share Posted 25 February, 2011 Quite right - ask any animal and they will tell you they would rather be killed for food than for fun. Yeah, but most of them bluff, on the knowing the hunter wouldn't eat them in guilt or because he doesn't like that certain meat, and get a 50/50 chance of escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 February, 2011 Share Posted 26 February, 2011 LOL at all the Buddhist thugs, "touch my cat and Ill kill ya!" then probably wolfing down a chicken burger full of tortured bird. Not really the point, and i try my best to try to only buy free range and higher welfare meat (I admit some times i fall foul). I you cannot see the difference of killing an animal for a valid reason and killing it for fun then your a tit. FWIW i watched the meat video on another thread and was appalled by the actions of the people on it. There are more humane was to kill animals for food. On that theory, you wouldn't want to share air with yourself; as you so obviously would obtain pleasure from injuring and then killing an animal-killer. Odd that. If you can't see that the very very basic moral guide of "2 wrongs don make a right" is strikingly true and the basis of the western judicial systems; then more fool you. And thank you, I take that as a massive compliment. Well thats ok then, cos your a pedantic tw*t and got the rise you were after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 26 February, 2011 Share Posted 26 February, 2011 I imagine if someone killed and mutilated all of Pancak's family, he'd just sit there, calmly professing that he doesn't want to commit an act of violence against the killer because "2 wrongs don't make a right". He's well Zen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 February, 2011 Share Posted 26 February, 2011 Not really the point, and i try my best to try to only buy free range and higher welfare meat (I admit some times i fall foul). I you cannot see the difference of killing an animal for a valid reason and killing it for fun then your a tit. FWIW i watched the meat video on another thread and was appalled by the actions of the people on it. There are more humane was to kill animals for food. That was a bit of a tasteless joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 February, 2011 Share Posted 26 February, 2011 That was a bit of a tasteless joke. so was that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I don't agree with battery farming but the difference is killing animals for food is necessary, killing for a laugh is not. No it isn't. You can live quite well on a meat free diet. Many people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 That's about mentality. There's a world of difference between killing animals for food, or even killing an animal by accident, and deliberately torturing something for fun. You can live without eating animals, but many of them are just a bit to delicious for their own good. If a cow knew, he'd understand. ....pedant arriving in 5...4...3...2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 As mammals ourselves, (a category created by humans, you'll have to ask the cat whether it agrees) punishment for harm to another mammal of any class should surely be the same. Slightly less punishment for lesser species, perhaps in this order: GBH example maximum sentences: Mammals (including humans) 6 years Birds 5 years Reptiles 3 years Amphibians and fish 1 year Insects 30 days Life forms What about spermatozoa? That's genocide and can happen daily if not more frequently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 That's about mentality. There's a world of difference between killing animals for food, or even killing an animal by accident, and deliberately torturing something for fun. You can live without eating animals, but many of them are just a bit to delicious for their own good. If a cow knew, he'd understand. Not saying there isn't. Just saying that humans can live without eating meat. I was just addressing a factual inaccuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 What about spermatozoa? That's genocide and can happen daily if not more frequently! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1PsPzCWboE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I'm a hypocrit. I couldn't kill a cow, but I struggle to get by without beef. I feel bad about that. I could however punch a chav mutilating a cat. Obviously not that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 Any shows about how animals are killed to make meat make me hungry. Is that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 No it isn't. You can live quite well on a meat free diet. Many people do. We are not designed to live on a meat free diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 No it isn't. You can live quite well on a meat free diet. Many people do. Eating meat is natural, my point was that killing animals is a necessary thing to do as part of our natural diet - there is nothing wrong with that. Many farming practices are cruel and should be stopped IMO. But farmers may argue they are necessary for them to survive in t odays f*cked up capitalist world. Torturing animals for fun is just screwed up, it's a common trait amongst serial killers. I would say it's worse than many crimes against humans because of it's so pointless and sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint francis Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 What about spermatozoa? That's genocide and can happen daily if not more frequently! I see it as liberation. My theory is, if you liberate them in as many different environments as possible it gives them the best chance, perhaps randomly out of the train window (never at a station though), then they're on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 February, 2011 Share Posted 28 February, 2011 I see it as liberation. My theory is, if you liberate them in as many different environments as possible it gives them the best chance, perhaps randomly out of the train window (never at a station though), then they're on their own. Good idea....but....what happens if a few of them find their way back home a few years later? Might be a tad expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Eating meat is natural, my point was that killing animals is a necessary thing to do as part of our natural diet - there is nothing wrong with that. Many farming practices are cruel and should be stopped IMO. But farmers may argue they are necessary for them to survive in t odays f*cked up capitalist world. Torturing animals for fun is just screwed up, it's a common trait amongst serial killers. I would say it's worse than many crimes against humans because of it's so pointless and sick. You said that killing animals for food is necessary. I say it isn't as we can live without meat. It has been proven time and again, killing animals for meat is not necessary for human survival, so stop saying it is. But then again it's easy to blame everything on the nasty capitalist system and provide you with the perfect excuse to go to Maccy D's for a burger, or buy the cheap meat at Tesco?!?! Bizarre logic that. After all this is the same "****ed up system" that means you don't have to get your hands dirty to get that nice steak on the BBQ on a summers day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 You said that killing animals for food is necessary. I say it isn't as we can live without meat. It has been proven time and again, killing animals for meat is not necessary for human survival, so stop saying it is. But then again it's easy to blame everything on the nasty capitalist system and provide you with the perfect excuse to go to Maccy D's for a burger, or buy the cheap meat at Tesco?!?! Bizarre logic that. After all this is the same "****ed up system" that means you don't have to get your hands dirty to get that nice steak on the BBQ on a summers day. Eating meat has been necessary for human survival, wether it is now or not is debatable - in some parts of the world it most definitely is. Eating meat is not cruel but some farming practices are and that's mainly down to today's ****ed up world where money is valued above decency. I try to eat free range/humanely farmed food where I can but you are missing the point - torturing animals for fun is ****ed up, I don't believe even the worst type of farmers just cause suffering for a laugh, it's something they are forced into in order to compete and earn a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Eating meat has been necessary for human survival, wether it is now or not is debatable - in some parts of the world it most definitely is. Eating meat is not cruel but some farming practices are and that's mainly down to today's ****ed up world where money is valued above decency. I try to eat free range/humanely farmed food where I can but you are missing the point - torturing animals for fun is ****ed up, I don't believe even the worst type f farmers just cause suffering for a laugh. Eating meat is not cruel? No, the cruelty has already occured, far away from the sanitised sanctuary of the average kitchen or the inviting deli on the high street. Someones already killed that animal for you, so you don't have to feel bad about it at all. This is an example of your "****ed up" capitalist society you appear to so dislike. And btw, i'm not missing any point. I didn't mentioned torturing animals as it is a given that it is abhorrant. I was trying and see the logic behind the "i'd kill a human for hurting a domesticated animal but would happily scoff a KFC when the chicken that makes it has been force fed in appalling conditions, been electrocuted and had it's throat slit (by humans) for my pleasure." Still trying........ Nope, still can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 4 March, 2011 Share Posted 4 March, 2011 Eating meat has been necessary for human survival, wether it is now or not is debatable - in some parts of the world it most definitely is. Eating meat is not cruel but some farming practices are and that's mainly down to today's ****ed up world where money is valued above decency. I try to eat free range/humanely farmed food where I can but you are missing the point - torturing animals for fun is ****ed up, I don't believe even the worst type of farmers just cause suffering for a laugh, it's something they are forced into in order to compete and earn a living. You might want to watch the meat video dog posted on here a while ago if you believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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