WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Our recent form and performances against very average div 1 sides has not been good enough.The games I mean are Notts County,Tranmere,Exeter,Carlisle and Hartlepool.We have struggled to perform in all of these matches and my worry is that our team really should be looking a lot better than these teams and we haven't against any of these teams of which none have got serious promotion ambitions. NA and the team need a serious rocket up their backsides before they blow an automatic promotion spot.6 points against Swindon and Walsall who are both in the bottom 4 is now essential if we have any serious ambitions of a top two finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I'll admit this press conference did annoy me somewhat as he pretty much just stated what happened rather than giving a reason. I think overall, our position will be skewed until we get the games in hand out of the way. Win all of our games in hand and we're laughing. 3 draws due to fixture congestion and tiredness and our position (and probably Adkins' job) starts to look very precarious. I still believe that 2nd spot is easily achievable if we put a string of results together and am not too worried yet. Defeat at Bompey and another slip up somewhere else and then the pressure will really be on. The team is definitely not playing well at the moment (Man Utd aside) and we really need Lallana to come back into some form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Charming Man Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The most frustrating thing about last night was that other teams around us once again dropped points but so did we. We're not gaining on anyone or putting any distance between us and our rivals. We're just plodding along with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I am afraid you will just have to made do with what you get, and like it.....as I always say to the kids. Obviously but if we don't go up this year with the money spent... That is a complete and utter failure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Obviously but if we don't go up this year with the money spent... That is a complete and utter failure... It would be a failure, but you seem to blame Adkins for that when in reality it was wasting the first 6 weeks of the season that is costing us. We have been very consistent since then, and have had promotion standard levels of form pretty much since Nigel arrived at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Obviously but if we don't go up this year with the money spent... That is a complete and utter failure...Yep.....and life goes on. If we go up, my mortgage will still need paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I am frustrated by Nigel Adkins attempts to make a **** result sound ok, the man talks a good game but has not delivered. Something tells me that if we carry on playing his way we will not automatically be promoted and will struggle to even make the play offs. Stop the bull**** and get some wins, if not go back to S****horpe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I am frustrated by Nigel Adkins attempts to make a **** result sound ok, the man talks a good game but has not delivered. Something tells me that if we carry on playing his way we will not automatically be promoted and will struggle to even make the play offs. Stop the bull**** and get some wins, if not go back to S****horpe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I am frustrated by Nigel Adkins attempts to make a **** result sound ok, the man talks a good game but has not delivered. Something tells me that if we carry on playing his way we will not automatically be promoted and will struggle to even make the play offs. Stop the bull**** and get some wins, if not go back to S****horpe ! Some of the hysterical posting on here today is hilarious. Last 10 league games we've won 6, drawn 3 and lost 1. Not bad for a team that 'will struggle to even make the play offs'. Lallana coming back makes a huge difference. And who the f cares what he says in his interviews? Does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 It would be a failure, but you seem to blame Adkins for that when in reality it was wasting the first 6 weeks of the season that is costing us. We have been very consistent since then, and have had promotion standard levels of form pretty much since Nigel arrived at Saints. Adkins has had time and full backing, not to mention the most talented squad in the division. If he cannot manage second place even taking into account the first six weeks then that is a total failure IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Adkins has had time and full backing, not to mention the most talented squad in the division. If he cannot manage second place even taking into account the first six weeks then that is a total failure IMO. I think Brighton might have something to say about that. Their squad is clearly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I think Brighton might have something to say about that. Their squad is clearly better. Individually we have the most talented squad who on their day can beat every team. As a unit Brighton are clearly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 It's been said before but I don't think you can compare S****horpe with saints the expectations are much much higher at Saints. No one can deny Nigel did well at S****horpe in fact he probably took them as far as they could expect to go, he will be expected to take us much further however. We are not a small club with little budget, 5000 gates and a chairman thats thinks mid table champoinship is a great achivement. Nigels going to have to do better than he has done in his whole time as a manager under a lot more pressure than he ever had at S****horpe. How on earth can you say this above? He was managing in a league higher, over-achieving with a small squad and budget, that is pressure regardless of how you spin it! The expectation here will not have affected him and hasn't in fact. The guy is achieveing an average points tally of just under 2 points per game over 23 games which is auto promotion form. Its not his fault that between them Pardew, Wilkins and Nicola contrived to only take 4 points from our first 6 games before he came to us. If he had been here pre-season and achieved the same results as he is now then we would be on a points tally of around 57 (29 x 1.96 points per game) which would place us firmly in second with 3 games in hand on the team below us (B'mth). The fact is that if auto promotion does not happen this season then it will not be NA fault if he continues to achieve around 2 points per game between now and the end of the season. It will be down to the almighty f*** up that manifested itself during pre and early season before NA was appointed. In fact, NA has in reality had to overcome a 10 point deficit to improve from early season form to where we are now. I think some of you should look at his record based on results only and not our current league position as this is tarnished heavily by early season form (which he had no control of) and the fact that we have a fixture backlog. Anyone who thinks he should be doing better than 2 points per game is quite honestly deluded. That is rarely achieved in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I'm right behind NA but our form has slumped a bit, even if the results have been OK. Since that Oldham away game we haven't played at the same level as we did over new years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 (edited) I think Brighton might have something to say about that. Their squad is clearly better. No it isn't, they have a manager who knows what he's doing with it and a keeper who doesn't give away many soft goals that's all. Our side is mismanaged on occasions . They also have a striker who has scored 17 goals including 0 penalties.When we have that sort of potency we won't be drawing at home to Notts County or away to Hartlepool. We should have paid a lot of money for a real goalscorer in the window. Our transparency in this department is obscured by the 6 penalties and a deflected freekick in Lambert's goal count.35 games this season, 7 goals from open play, that's one every 5 games. Edited 23 February, 2011 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I am frustrated by Nigel Adkins attempts to make a **** result sound ok, the man talks a good game but has not delivered. Something tells me that if we carry on playing his way we will not automatically be promoted and will struggle to even make the play offs. Stop the bull**** and get some wins, if not go back to S****horpe ! we'll revisit this after we've played our games in hand, i'm looking forward to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 We got a 3-1 win there last season under Pardew,why couldn't Adkins acheive the same? Because we simply haven't improved and moved on. The same players are delivering the same or slightly worse results in many cases... Where is the consistency that our resources should be delivering? This is a major concern for me. We were rubbish against Carlisle. Total bloody rubbish. A team we hammered 4-1 at Wembley. People will trot out the crap that we can't win every week... Well tell that to Gus Poyet on a fraction of our budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 .......... If you were not meaning that Schneiderlin should play instead of Guly and did indeed mean instead of Hammond, I wonder who you would play instead of Guly. Would you have preferred to see Barnard play from the start? Or would you have gone for N'Guessian? I see Schneiderlin as a first choice in midfield and I agree with you that he would be ahead of Hammond. I would see Hammond and Chaplow competing for the other CM slot, with Chaplow ahead. The LMF and RMF are Lallana and AOC. Lambert and Barnard are the best two strikers, with a fit Connolly behind them. Guly, Forte, and N'Guessen would be competing for places on the bench. All IMHO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Because we simply haven't improved and moved on. The same players are delivering the same or slightly worse results in many cases... Where is the consistency that our resources should be delivering? This is a major concern for me. We were rubbish against Carlisle. Total bloody rubbish. A team we hammered 4-1 at Wembley. People will trot out the crap that we can't win every week... Well tell that to Gus Poyet on a fraction of our budget. Lol. Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Because we simply haven't improved and moved on. The same players are delivering the same or slightly worse results in many cases... Where is the consistency that our resources should be delivering? This is a major concern for me. We were rubbish against Carlisle. Total bloody rubbish. A team we hammered 4-1 at Wembley. People will trot out the crap that we can't win every week... Well tell that to Gus Poyet on a fraction of our budget. Problem solved - have told Gus as you suggested. Pretty happy we are looking most likely for 2nd, won't be sulking at end of season about not catching Brighton if we secure 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Got to be careful with blaming the start of the season, or saying nearly 2 points a game since Sept is OK. Stats can always mislead, for example, the last 6 games have produced 9 points out of a possible 18, which is only 1.5 points a game. That only one of those games was a defeat doesn't increase the points total. You can make it sound better by saying we've only lost once in the last 6. True but it doesn't help. You pick how many games to include and you can slant the stats one way or the other. But the fans tend to look at current form, for which the last 6 games is a common measure, so its easy to see why there is unease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir woody Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Massive Difference , Not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 My 11 year old thinks we should win every game in this league and is disappointed when we don't. As an adult I have to explain to him that football’s not like that, and that teams like Hartlepool will not lay down and die just because they’re playing a bigger club with a higher wage bill. Just as we turned over Manchester Utd occasionally, smaller clubs are going to produce against us, it’s why Leeds, Forest and others have struggled to get out of this league.I was happy with the status quo being maintained after Tuesdays games, especially with Swindon at home coming up. At the end of the day we should have hit the ground running this season and ran away with it like Leicester did, the fact we didn’t is not down to Adkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StVince1966 Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 the pitch was wet! how the hell are you supposed to win on a wet pitch? and its cold up north! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 There is obviously a motivation problem and it's Adkins job to sort that out. It's not right that the same team that gave Man Utd a hell of a game for 50mins can be so sh!te against Hartlepool. When you are big spenders in any league you risk having too many players there for the ride on the gravy train, and player on big money who think they are better than what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I am frustrated by Nigel Adkins attempts to make a **** result sound ok, the man talks a good game but has not delivered. Something tells me that if we carry on playing his way we will not automatically be promoted and will struggle to even make the play offs. Stop the bull**** and get some wins, if not go back to S****horpe ! Yeah. Cos we are clearly goin to struggle to make 6th place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 yeah I dont trust a guy who has got his last team promoted twice out of this league. Chill....everyfings gunna be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 (edited) Yeah. Cos we are clearly goin to struggle to make 6th place Thankfully i think we should be fine on that front;) However DD,do you now not concur with me in any way that Adkins is not living up to the billing that many on here thought. Performances are below par, would you not agree? As you know i was 'underwhelmed' by his appointment and i may have been a little prematurely critical,but i am losing faith in his abilities quite rapidly. Do you have concerns now? He isn't and never was the man to take us on to the next level,imo. Vast difference beween SFC and Scunny in my view. Edited 23 February, 2011 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 yeah I dont trust a guy who has got his last team promoted twice out of this league. Chill....everyfings gunna be alright. Might I just point out that in 2006/7 when NA's side took automatic promotion from League 1 it was Brian Laws that was in charge until November and they were already in the top 2 when he was sacked. True NA guided them to the top from then on but with Law's side. They also had a striker who was extremely performant, and not from the penalty spot either. I think on the other occasion when NA obtained promotion it was via the play-offs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The problem is we are playing crap but luckily drawing games. It could easily slide to playing crap and losing games. There is little to make me confident that we are about to improve and push on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Might I just point out that in 2006/7 when NA's side took automatic promotion from League 1 it was Brian Laws that was in charge until November and they were already in the top 2 when he was sacked. True NA guided them to the top from then on but with Law's side. They also had a striker who was extremely performant, and not from the penalty spot either. I think on the other occasion when NA obtained promotion it was via the play-offs?? So he got his team promoted twice? not sure what you was trying to point out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Pretty happy we are looking most likely for 2nd, Problem is Nick as you know based on stats that it isn't true. Over the last 8 games they got more points then us. Meaning they have a better current form rate then us. If we use our current points per game ratio over those last 8 games we have 1.87ppg while they have 2ppg. So we have 17 games left so at our current form rate that would be an additional 31 points. Meaning our projected points based on current form for the season is 80 points. Bournemouth have 14 games left and at their current form rate would mean an additional 28 points. Meaning their seasons projected points on current form is 83 points. Proving that we are not most likely to take 2nd spot. We have only won 2 of our last 6 league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 How on earth can you say this above? He was managing in a league higher, over-achieving with a small squad and budget, that is pressure regardless of how you spin it! The expectation here will not have affected him and hasn't in fact. The guy is achieveing an average points tally of just under 2 points per game over 23 games which is auto promotion form. Its not his fault that between them Pardew, Wilkins and Nicola contrived to only take 4 points from our first 6 games before he came to us. If he had been here pre-season and achieved the same results as he is now then we would be on a points tally of around 57 (29 x 1.96 points per game) which would place us firmly in second with 3 games in hand on the team below us (B'mth). The fact is that if auto promotion does not happen this season then it will not be NA fault if he continues to achieve around 2 points per game between now and the end of the season. It will be down to the almighty f*** up that manifested itself during pre and early season before NA was appointed. In fact, NA has in reality had to overcome a 10 point deficit to improve from early season form to where we are now. I think some of you should look at his record based on results only and not our current league position as this is tarnished heavily by early season form (which he had no control of) and the fact that we have a fixture backlog. Anyone who thinks he should be doing better than 2 points per game is quite honestly deluded. That is rarely achieved in this league. Getting us out of this league is only the start of Nigels job this is supposed to be the easy bit. My point wasn't really about how we're doing right now it's about comparing what Nigel achieved at scunny and what he is expected to achieve here. I'm 100% sure Nigel has will get far more pressure on him from our chairman to get results than he ever did at scunny who were already punching way above their wieght. Can Nigel handle it? who knows. One things for sure banging on about his record at scunny really has no bearing on how he is doing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 (edited) Getting us out of this league is only the start of Nigels job this is supposed to be the easy bit. My point wasn't really about how we're doing right now it's about comparing what Nigel achieved at scunny and what he is expected to achieve here. I'm 100% sure Nigel has will get far more pressure on him from our chairman to get results than he ever did at scunny who were already punching way above their wieght. Can Nigel handle it? who knows. One things for sure banging on about his record at scunny really has no bearing on how he is doing here. This. And the bit highlighted,bang on the money. Edited 23 February, 2011 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The assessment will be at the end of the season. Main target is promotion - and still think that is more likely than not (as will neutrals, pundits and bookies). Also don't think he is definately out if we fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The assessment will be at the end of the season. Main target is promotion - and still think that is more likely than not (as will neutrals, pundits and bookies). Also don't think he is definately out if we fail. Either way. If NC wants him out I want it done straight away and a new manager brought in before pre-season starts. If NC wants him to stay I want him to back Nigel to the hilt the following season. What I don't want is the circus that the start of this season turnned into, the points dropped by Wilkins would be really handy right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 "Having said both of these things, I would agree that Schneiderlin was missed tonight - but mainly because Hammond was so poor. If I had known that Hammond was going to play that badly, then I would have played Schneiderlin instead. Obviously he couldn't know that beforehand, but I think Adkins biggest mistake was that he did not take Hammond off and replace him with Schneiderlin in the second half." How come the Echo gave him MOM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 If i had known we were going to be shiiite tonight .. I , would have had eleven different players out:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singeon Sears Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Are all the teams around us having the same reaction to their draws last night? Maybe they are but our attitude of "we are the biggest club the best team must hammer everyone" is exactly the one that probably cost sides like Leeds promotion out of this league. We will only compete in it when we realise we deserve to be here and we have to earn the right to get out of it. Last night was a good point, Hartlepool have beaten most of the top teams including Brighton. I agree our recent form is not good enough but through the long season it’s going to be up and down, we have to hope there are many more ups overall. As for Adkins has had enough time, lol, he's been here 5minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I may be in a minority here but I have always maintained that any manager cannot be judged on barely 6 months in a job. In fact, given that fact, I think he's done a good job overall. We had a good run and we're currently underperforming whilst grinding out a few results. I can see hypo's point, but I do think his expectations are a bit harsh, and, more importantly, being unfairly judged over short-term periods, when it is only really at the end of the season that we can judge our and his performance overall. I made the point in the other thread but Poyet joined Brighton in November 2009 and finished 13th in his first season. Adkins has had slightly longer and is clearly going to finish well above 13th. The comments about money and resources are valid to a point but you're still dealing with a squad of humans who need managing and pulling together, and to have us within the play-off places and competing for 2nd (1st has gone IMO) with plenty of the season left to go, is fine by me. Football is not a black and white sport, we will have poor patches, and we're in one right now performance-wise. We were playing better this time last year because we were in the middle of a good run and timed it right to build up towards the end of the season. Sadly it wasn't quite good enough because of the points deduction. This year we peaked earlier in the season and have dropped away. The important thing now is stay firmly behind the team and the manager and help them get back to winning ways. I suspect there is an element of anxiety creeping in and a fear of dropping points which is leading to us becoming anxious in our play. The players need to be relaxed and confident in what they are doing but if we contribute to the anxiety then it won't help. Of course, it is Adkins' job to help the players get through this and back to confident, match-winning performances, but the only judgement that counts, IMO, is the one we make at the end of the season. If money was the only important thing Man City and Chelsea would be out of sight at the top of the Premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Hopefully the drama queens will all be asleep npw and we can get a grip on last night's results. Of course it would have been nice to have won. I wanted us to win. But remember that Brighton lost at Hartlepool. Charlton lost there last week. Huddersfield are playing there next week so lets see how they get on. We got a point last night. So did Bompey - at home to a team they should have beaten. So did Huddersfield - at a ground where they should have got 3 points (we did). Peterborough drew at home last night - as did MK Dons. Brighton were the only one of our rivals to have won - and they were at home against the bottom club!! It was a good night for us . It could have been better .... but it could have been a whole lot worse. No it was not a good night for us - we failed to take advantage of a rare opportunity to gain ground on teams around us - again!These opportunities do not come along every week! The performance was poor again - no getting away from it. We were really really poor against Carlisle and in the previous game to that etc- in fact we haven'y played well except for 60mins against ManU second 11 for a few weeks - this is turning out to be a recuring theme - this is the problem - it's not a one off at Hartlepool is more general than that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 So he got his team promoted twice? not sure what you was trying to point out there? I think he was trying to say that Adkins getting a team promoted after taking over in Novemember was completely down to him and proves what a brilliant manager he is. However, Adkins not getting a team promoted after taking over in September would be nothing to do with him whatsoever and it is completely unreasonable to make a judgement on how good a manager he is in that timescale. Got to love this forum. The pi s s wipes on this forum have to accept that Nigel Adkins was employed in September to get us promoted this season. Not build a team for a promotion push in 2014. Not to "settle in". Not to "bed down". Not to not be judged until three years in the job. Nigel Adkins was employed to get Saints promoted this season. Nigel Adkins was employed to get Saints promoted this season. Spare us the "it's so unfair to judge so early" b ol l o cks. Nigel Adkins as employed to get Saints promoted this season. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I wonder if the logic with comparing Adkins' results with Pardew's looked at Man United's home defeat to Leeds last year and said Pardew is a better manager than Fergie, because we managed to beat Leeds at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 If money was the only important thing Man City and Chelsea would be out of sight at the top of the Premiership. Exactly, hence why it's only valid 'to a point'. The pi s s wipes on this forum have to accept that Nigel Adkins was employed in September to get us promoted this season. Got to love this forum indeed. Is there any need for insults? Sure doesn't help anyones argument. Nigel Adkins was employed to get Saints promoted this season. Nigel Adkins was employed to get Saints promoted this season. Spare us the "it's so unfair to judge so early" b ol l o cks. Nigel Adkins as employed to get Saints promoted this season. Get over it. Has he failed to do that yet? This whole thread seems to have got way out of hand. Rare for SaintsWeb I know, but there we go. Nigel Adkins is in charge and we are part-way through the season. He has a job to do, and he has plenty more games to get that job done. Opinions about how he is dong are fine but clearly most people aren't going to change their minds and decent discussion on the subject appears to be beyond most people. The stats prove nothing other than history. What matters is the next 3 months and however many fixtures we have left. I would respectfully suggest that people save their energy and put it towards supporting the team to try and help them achieve what we all want us to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I'm annoyed that Barnard isnt starting games and Guly is. Guly brings something to the team that Barnard doesn't, plus we don't really know when he will be reprimanded TBH. Guly is a good player, why shouldn't he start ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 24 February, 2011 Share Posted 24 February, 2011 The basic fact is, if we are winning games the NA's mad comments about being on the bus in the building on the way to something special seem funny and endearing. If we are loosing or drawing matches we 'should win' then his comments about building a house and not looking what houses other people live in etc etc make him seem mental and make us fans frustrated*that we have a mentalist in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 February, 2011 Share Posted 24 February, 2011 I think he was trying to say that Adkins getting a team promoted after taking over in Novemember was completely down to him and proves what a brilliant manager he is. However, Adkins not getting a team promoted after taking over in September would be nothing to do with him whatsoever and it is completely unreasonable to make a judgement on how good a manager he is in that timescale. Got to love this forum. The pi s s wipes on this forum have to accept that Nigel Adkins was employed in September to get us promoted this season. Not build a team for a promotion push in 2014. Not to "settle in". Not to "bed down". Not to not be judged until three years in the job. Nigel Adkins was employed to get Saints promoted this season. Nigel Adkins was employed to get Saints promoted this season. Spare us the "it's so unfair to judge so early" b ol l o cks. Nigel Adkins as employed to get Saints promoted this season. Get over it. Yep, agree with you completely. I swear some people on here are so detached from reality that they must be posting from nice NHS institutions that do a snazzy line in rubber wallpaper.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 February, 2011 Share Posted 24 February, 2011 (edited) Guly brings something to the team that Barnard doesn't, plus we don't really know when he will be reprimanded TBH. Guly is a good player, why shouldn't he start ? It's horses for courses though, i'd start with Barnard every time on a wet ,cold February night away from home when the match is going to be a battle first, passing football second. Gully is a good footballer but not going to be at his best in those conditions. Adkins seems to preach the horses for courses but not practise it. Edited 24 February, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 24 February, 2011 Share Posted 24 February, 2011 That post match interview looks word for word what was said just after the match, I think it showed a few cracks appearing, as NA knows he is in a plum job, knows what the minimum requirements is, and knows what the consequences are. It sounded like a frustrated managers interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 24 February, 2011 Share Posted 24 February, 2011 I swear some people on here are so detached from reality that they must be posting from nice NHS institutions that do a snazzy line in rubber wallpaper.... Do you really have such little respect for different opinions? Such a shame. I don't actually think many people are arguing any different to what CB Fry has said... that Adkins was hired to get us promoted. However, as I posted, he has not yet failed to do that, despite the way some people talk, therefore whilst everyone is perfectly entitled to say how they feel he is doing, the only point it will actually matter is at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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