doddisalegend Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 deluded. Cock. Feel free to **** off to your own boards.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHA Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Cock. Feel free to **** off to your own boards.................................... The abuse........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 The abuse........ Just **** off, coming on here after we mess up. You've won the league, so stop coming on here and go on Championship teams forums instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHA Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Just **** off, coming on here after we mess up. You've won the league, so stop coming on here and go on Championship teams forums instead. You have hardly messed up, we got beat up there by hartlepool, not an easy place to go to and get a result. we havent won the league yet still a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Disappointed with a draw,massively disappointed. Another chance to gain points on everyone around us and we **** it up again,its not good enough if we really are going to get out of this league. Don't want to hear any of this 'crap pitch,hard ground to get a result' rubbish, its all ********, AP lead us to a 3-1 win there last season with much the same team,whats Adkins excuse? With the players we've got there should be no excuses for not getting the results, am starting to lose faith somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 About 50% of the people on this forum are the absolute last people I'd want on my side if the going gets tough. Ironic, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Although 8 from the last 4 is fine. Actually, we are on 2 points a game this year which is promotion form. If we carry on in that way I have worked out we'll get over 80 points which this year should give us second spot. On tonights results it's a point gained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maysie Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 2nd place b ollocks I wanted to win this f ucking league coming second to Brighton is f ucking embarrasing. I really can't believe how many people seem to be happy being fifth in this league below such massive clubs as Bournemouth, Peterbrough and Brighton. With the resources we've got and the players we've got we should be tearing this league a new one not being happy to scrape in second (if we even manage that). Poor result s hit night Good night. Arrogant as f uck. Good night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 About 50% of the people on this forum are the absolute last people I'd want on my side if the going gets tough. Ironic, eh? Funnily enough about 50% of the people on here I wouldn't want on my side if I was trying to win something.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Just in from the game - staying up here a night and have got tomorrow off work - i really really don't know why i bother. I've read a few of the comments on this thread and i'm staggered that some people think this is a good result. I've seen comments like "everyone else drew so it's ok" and "can't win 'em all". Come on guys FFS! This is the third tier of english football!! We are playing in front of crowds of 3,000, not 30,000! Most of the teams we are competing against struggle to fill their bench, let alone their stands and have to rely on free transfers and loans in the windows. We are a GIANT to the likes of Hartlepool and yet some are happy with Hartlepool getting the better of us in a drab goalless draw? Jesus Christ! The game on Saturday was cancelled, meaning we had extra rest time and preparation time for this one. Absolutely NO excuses to play so badly, especially in the first half. We knew exactly what the weather and pitch were going to be like - both ****. So why the hell didn't we prepare for it?! I'm sick to death of hearing that ****ing excuse from our lot after every poor performance on the road. If it's that much of a problem, i suggest Mr Cortese saves the money that is going towards a further revamp of the training facilities, and instead gets Adkins to get them training for free down at the sporty in the build up to away trips on **** pitches. But the pitch wasn't the issue today. We just weren't up for it from the first whistle and in such an important game, that is criminal. Far too many players aren't doing enough to justify their continued selection in the team. Adkins hasn't really convinced me from day 1, and i have no idea what he has been doing with his substitutions over the past few weeks. Take Alex Chamberlain for example. The guy clearly looks drained and his performances are suffering after a gruelling first season in professional football. He really needs to be taken out of the firing line for a week or two, or else Adkins is going to completely burn him out. He'll benefit from this mentally just as much as physically. I just can't put into words how hugely frustrating it is to watch them right now. The cherries don't even have half the talent that we have, they have sold their best players, have no money to go on wages/transfers, lost their young inspiring manager half way through the year, but they are STILL ahead of us! Absolutely embarrassing, and if that is the case come May, no one should get paid. We're closer to Rochdale (5 points) than we are to Brighton. Boy am i not looking forward to that drive home tomorrow. Think that's me done with all these ridiculous midweek away trips for a while. So disappointing.... Nailed it. Back in the Best Western Hartlepool myself and just dont know where we're going, an awful performance. Comments like 'Really believe we will win it now- Just hope its sewn up against Southampton to rub their noses in it - Lock them in whilst we celebrate' on the Brighton forum make me sick considering the team we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Just got home from the game about 45 minutes or so ago and have just spent ages writing my analysis of the match!!! Here goes... Well, as you will already have worked out, it was a pretty dire affair. We had few genuine clear-cut chances and didn't do enough to win the game. In fact we were lucky not to lose as one of their players managed somehow to balloon the ball miles over the bar from about 8 yards with the goal gaping in front of him!! Nevertheless, I think a draw was a fair result. Tactically I think either Adkins got it wrong or the team did not play to his plan. I suspect it was a bit of both. Our midfield seemed quite packed in the first half with Chaplow and Hammond seeming uncertain of their respective roles and offering little. Meanwhile Chamberlain positioned himself wide on the touchline ready to receive the telling pass which rarely came. Hammond rarely featured and certainly did not provide the ammunition for the forwards and wide players. Lallana was left having to come inside to get the ball and then sometimes he would receive the ball. Sadly at times this ball was received even when Chamberlain was in a better position. Chaplow improved a little in the second half, but Hammond continued to be disinterested and it seemed like we only had nine players on the pitch at times with Hammond offering so little and Chamberlain getting such poor service. When Chamberlain did finally get the ball it was not when he was in space but where play was tight and he had little support. Inevitably he tried to use his prowess to get past four players but the third or fourth player would usually tackle him. On a more positive note, Harding had a great game and was by far our best player. Fonte too put in a towering performance and Butterfield played very intelligently at the back, though sadly offered less going forward than he has done in the past. Guly had a very good first half and a very mixed second half. In the first half, he was the only Saints player to offer any threat, but in the second half while he did some good stuff at times at other times he made some poor choices and lost concentration. He was not helped by a seeming lack of communication between him and Lambert. Lambert himself also had a mixed performance. At times he would do some intelligent play with the ball, while at other times he seemed to lack a yard or two of pace and the drive to work the space behind the opposing defence. He was also frequently getting dragged out of position, leaving Guly more often than not as the main striker. Lallana took most of the first half to get up to the pace of the game, but once there he showed glimpses of his usual brilliance, but as I hinted above I sense that the rest of the team are becoming too dependant upon him and are not ready to play the ball out wide often enough and use other players like Chamberlain. Jaihdi had a poor performance and got caught in possession a number of times. He looked like a player that was short on fitness, confidence and pace and/or like a player whose career is coming to an end. It was a sad sight to see. Kelvin Davis had little to do, but he dealt with everything thrown at him and cleared up when there were one or two moments of indecision in the defence. In terms of subs, Barnard ran around like a headless chicken trying to use every ounce of energy he had but as a result was rarely where he was needed in front of goal. When he came on the side finally woke up to the need to pass the ball out wide to Chamberlain - who, of course, had by this time gone off so there was no-one out wide!! Overall, we still looked the better side and dominated possession, but we had little passion going forwards and had no-one to make the intelligent passes from midfield up to the forwards and attack-minded midfielders. What would I have done differently? I would have taken off Hammond and brought Schneiderlin on in his place with clear instructions to get the ball out wide to Chamberlain more often. I would have also suggested that Lallana vary his positioning a bit to keep them guessing, going out wide a bit more to receive the ball out there occasionally. I would also have pushed the full-backs forward a bit more. Defensively, I don't know what I would have done. Hartlepool play the ball in the air a lot and so Dan Seabourne could have been a liability as on past evidence, he cannot handle that very well. Finally, as a last throw of the dice I would have considered bringing N'Guessian on to bring something a bit different in the last ten minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Funnily enough about 50% of the people on here I wouldn't want on my side if I was trying to win something.................................... I agree with you and the use of the words "trying to win something" was quite telling. Most people in the "b*tch, criticize and moan" dressing room have never won anything and never will. They're the types who always look for someone else to blame - never in the mirror. We're FIFTH FFS, and with games in hand that can take us comfortably into an automatic promotion spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 (edited) I agree with you and the use of the words "trying to win something" was quite telling. Most people in the "b*tch, criticize and moan" dressing room have never won anything and never will. They're the types who always look for someone else to blame - never in the mirror. We're FIFTH FFS, and with games in hand that can take us comfortably into an automatic promotion spot. The thing is at the start of the season for the first time I really felt saints had a chance to win a league not come second, not go up via the play offs WIN it. There shouldn't have been any excuses this season call it arrogance if you like but we are the biggest club in this league we should be winning it yet all around are supporters who seem to think being second best is great it makes me sad. This year I had really high expectations (my own fault -I should have known better) and right now I feel let down, coming second won't feel great to me it will feel like a faliure. Edited 23 February, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I'm a little frustrated too but I'm pretty much convinced that we're not running away with it is precisely because we are the biggest club in the league with the biggest and probably best squad in the division. Every other team raises its game against us, and a lot of our class counts for nothing in this division. I think the same squad would actually be doing better in the Championship than we are here, but we're still right on target for automatic promotion. That's why all the negativity and overreaction frustrates the sh*t out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 I have just read Adkins comments after the game and have to say I don't know what he is talking about! Lallana made some cahnces but they were no more than half chances - I don't know how Adkins can say he nearly had a hatrick - that makes it sound like he had a bad game and missed some sitters! I would say, as above, that he had a game in which took a little while to get up to the pace of the game, but gradually improved and then showed glimpses of his usual brilliance. As he got up to the pace of the game, he then worked hard to get into space and when he received the ball made the defenders work hard. The facts are that we did not create enough to win the game. We did not need to play such negative tactics (not allowing the full backs to work the wings) and it nearly cost us. The only part of his report that I agree with is that Kelvin did well in goal. But even then, I don't think he had a huge amount to do! Adkins comments make it sound like they were raining in shots on our goal, when in fact during those spells when they were on top it was more often than not Fonte, Harding or Butterfield who dealt with it before any shot could be made! As to whether this result is a disaster, I personally don't think it is. On paper we had the hardest fixture of any of the teams at thye top of the league and we did no worse than any of them except Brighton. If we can get the team playing to its potential then we will get promoted. My only question is whether Adkins away tactics are right for a team with such a lot of flair. I hope he will rethink his approach and realise that we can win games away (as we did far more often under Pardew) because it is there that teams are more likely to open up and attack, thus creating the opportunities to play to our strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Rubbish. Extremely disappointed at the wasted opportunity. The players dont want promotion enough. See other thread (the absurd one about fixture pile up)....assume you've finally put your money where your mouth is? If not, please just shut the f up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Rubbish. Extremely disappointed at the wasted opportunity. The players dont want promotion enough. shows we need more frequent games, if only we had a fixture build up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Local report on the match http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/8869141.Hartlepool_0_Southampton_0/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Since '51 Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Just got home from the game about 45 minutes or so ago and have just spent ages writing my analysis of the match!!! Here goes... Well, as you will already have worked out, it was a pretty dire affair. We had few genuine clear-cut chances and didn't do enough to win the game. In fact we were lucky not to lose as one of their players managed somehow to balloon the ball miles over the bar from about 8 yards with the goal gaping in front of him!! Nevertheless, I think a draw was a fair result. Tactically I think either Adkins got it wrong or the team did not play to his plan. I suspect it was a bit of both. Our midfield seemed quite packed in the first half with Chaplow and Hammond seeming uncertain of their respective roles and offering little. Meanwhile Chamberlain positioned himself wide on the touchline ready to receive the telling pass which rarely came. Hammond rarely featured and certainly did not provide the ammunition for the forwards and wide players. Lallana was left having to come inside to get the ball and then sometimes he would receive the ball. Sadly at times this ball was received even when Chamberlain was in a better position. Chaplow improved a little in the second half, but Hammond continued to be disinterested and it seemed like we only had nine players on the pitch at times with Hammond offering so little and Chamberlain getting such poor service. When Chamberlain did finally get the ball it was not when he was in space but where play was tight and he had little support. Inevitably he tried to use his prowess to get past four players but the third or fourth player would usually tackle him. On a more positive note, Harding had a great game and was by far our best player. Fonte too put in a towering performance and Butterfield played very intelligently at the back, though sadly offered less going forward than he has done in the past. Guly had a very good first half and a very mixed second half. In the first half, he was the only Saints player to offer any threat, but in the second half while he did some good stuff at times at other times he made some poor choices and lost concentration. He was not helped by a seeming lack of communication between him and Lambert. Lambert himself also had a mixed performance. At times he would do some intelligent play with the ball, while at other times he seemed to lack a yard or two of pace and the drive to work the space behind the opposing defence. He was also frequently getting dragged out of position, leaving Guly more often than not as the main striker. Lallana took most of the first half to get up to the pace of the game, but once there he showed glimpses of his usual brilliance, but as I hinted above I sense that the rest of the team are becoming too dependant upon him and are not ready to play the ball out wide often enough and use other players like Chamberlain. Jaihdi had a poor performance and got caught in possession a number of times. He looked like a player that was short on fitness, confidence and pace and/or like a player whose career is coming to an end. It was a sad sight to see. Kelvin Davis had little to do, but he dealt with everything thrown at him and cleared up when there were one or two moments of indecision in the defence. In terms of subs, Barnard ran around like a headless chicken trying to use every ounce of energy he had but as a result was rarely where he was needed in front of goal. When he came on the side finally woke up to the need to pass the ball out wide to Chamberlain - who, of course, had by this time gone off so there was no-one out wide!! Overall, we still looked the better side and dominated possession, but we had little passion going forwards and had no-one to make the intelligent passes from midfield up to the forwards and attack-minded midfielders. What would I have done differently? I would have taken off Hammond and brought Schneiderlin on in his place with clear instructions to get the ball out wide to Chamberlain more often. I would have also suggested that Lallana vary his positioning a bit to keep them guessing, going out wide a bit more to receive the ball out there occasionally. I would also have pushed the full-backs forward a bit more. Defensively, I don't know what I would have done. Hartlepool play the ball in the air a lot and so Dan Seabourne could have been a liability as on past evidence, he cannot handle that very well. Finally, as a last throw of the dice I would have considered bringing N'Guessian on to bring something a bit different in the last ten minutes. Agree with most of this. We certainly did not play the kind of passing game which Adkins says he wants. Chaplow and Hammond were not creative forces and Chamberlain hardly ran at defenders at all. Generally, our close control was often poor and even short passing regularly astray; our standard ball seemed to be high to Lambert or down the channels for Guly - and often missed the target. Distribution from Davis and Jaidi was particularly poor. Jaidi had some jittery moments at the back too. H'pool got the ball forward quickly and looked to head or knock it on first time for fast runners to push onto. Not what Jaidi likes. Having said that, defence from Butterfield and Fonte was excellent; Harding was less solid defensively, but had a good second half going forward. In fact, second half was an improvement; Lallana came in off the wing more and we occasionally passed through midfield to put in runners going between their defenders. Stats which show 7 shots on target flatter us. We had lots of possession; we got balls in the box and created tension. But we created very few clear-cut chances and I can't remember their keeper being really stretched. Sorry to report that we didn't deserve to win and we could easily have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Some cracking exchanges in here at times but lets point out a few things shall we. We sounded poor and by accounts so far we were poor. We are frustrated with the result today due to both wanting and knowing we can do better. BUT and most importantly imo... We are in a position that every team in this league apart from 1 would swap us for. Some people need to realise that although yes its a frustrating result on paper, that football isn't quite as simple as it being on paper. I've seen some people claim how "this is league one" and used that as an excuse for us to be steam rolling teams like Hartlepool. Well how about we twist that a little and be a bit more realistic...This is league one, it isn't quite as simple as spending money and running away with things, there are teams like Hartlepool who are dogged, determined, and actually shock horror, have some good players themselves. I believe they got a result against Brighton at home too. If we win our home games and continue our pretty decent away record we'll be more than ok. So I highly recommend people get real a bit, back away from the frustration of what is a poor result and enjoy the fact that we are in actually a very good position in this league with promotion in our own hands. If in a month or two time when the games in hands are gone its not in our own hands anymore i'll begin to worry, be annoyed, and start to question players/managers maybe. But for now, can we just not enjoy the fact that these players/managers have us in a situation where we have things in our own hands, with some massive games to come (which I suspect will suit us a bit more, because big games bring out the best in players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 A little concerned that NA is struggling to get our boys on a decent run, especially with the ammunition at his disposal compared to Brighton et al plus what Norwich and Leeds achieved last season and this. That said it's far from 'panic button' time and it's a funny old game and I just hope they hit the sweet spot very soon and make their mark on this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 See i don't agree with this attitude at all. In comparison to resources and players on the pitch we should obliterate most of the teams in this league. Our squad cost more then Brightons and on paper you would think are more talented. But the difference in results is massive. We won't get first place, we don't have the consistency for it. 2nd place is our goal. But to get to 2nd place means we must over-take 3 teams. If we match those teams results we do not gain on them. How can you get to 2nd if you match each others results? It is all well and good talking about games in hand but that doesn't mean we will win them. We still have to turn up and play the game. Writing them off as wins is pretty dumb. Especially when we have only won 2 of our last 6 league games. Where as Brighton have won 5 of their last 6 league games. That is the kind of form we should be matching in my opinion. Wow, too much sense for this place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Just in from the game - staying up here a night and have got tomorrow off work - i really really don't know why i bother. I've read a few of the comments on this thread and i'm staggered that some people think this is a good result. I've seen comments like "everyone else drew so it's ok" and "can't win 'em all". Come on guys FFS! This is the third tier of english football!! We are playing in front of crowds of 3,000, not 30,000! Most of the teams we are competing against struggle to fill their bench, let alone their stands and have to rely on free transfers and loans in the windows. We are a GIANT to the likes of Hartlepool and yet some are happy with Hartlepool getting the better of us in a drab goalless draw? Jesus Christ! The game on Saturday was cancelled, meaning we had extra rest time and preparation time for this one. Absolutely NO excuses to play so badly, especially in the first half. We knew exactly what the weather and pitch were going to be like - both ****. So why the hell didn't we prepare for it?! I'm sick to death of hearing that ****ing excuse from our lot after every poor performance on the road. If it's that much of a problem, i suggest Mr Cortese saves the money that is going towards a further revamp of the training facilities, and instead gets Adkins to get them training for free down at the sporty in the build up to away trips on **** pitches. But the pitch wasn't the issue today. We just weren't up for it from the first whistle and in such an important game, that is criminal. Far too many players aren't doing enough to justify their continued selection in the team. Adkins hasn't really convinced me from day 1, and i have no idea what he has been doing with his substitutions over the past few weeks. Take Alex Chamberlain for example. The guy clearly looks drained and his performances are suffering after a gruelling first season in professional football. He really needs to be taken out of the firing line for a week or two, or else Adkins is going to completely burn him out. He'll benefit from this mentally just as much as physically. I just can't put into words how hugely frustrating it is to watch them right now. The cherries don't even have half the talent that we have, they have sold their best players, have no money to go on wages/transfers, lost their young inspiring manager half way through the year, but they are STILL ahead of us! Absolutely embarrassing, and if that is the case come May, no one should get paid. We're closer to Rochdale (5 points) than we are to Brighton. Boy am i not looking forward to that drive home tomorrow. Think that's me done with all these ridiculous midweek away trips for a while. So disappointing.... Yep, good post. This was the season of NO excuses........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Funnily enough about 50% of the people on here I wouldn't want on my side if I was trying to win something.................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Some cracking exchanges in here at times but lets point out a few things shall we. We sounded poor and by accounts so far we were poor. We are frustrated with the result today due to both wanting and knowing we can do better. BUT and most importantly imo... We are in a position that every team in this league apart from 1 would swap us for. Some people need to realise that although yes its a frustrating result on paper, that football isn't quite as simple as it being on paper. I've seen some people claim how "this is league one" and used that as an excuse for us to be steam rolling teams like Hartlepool. Well how about we twist that a little and be a bit more realistic...This is league one, it isn't quite as simple as spending money and running away with things, there are teams like Hartlepool who are dogged, determined, and actually shock horror, have some good players themselves. I believe they got a result against Brighton at home too. If we win our home games and continue our pretty decent away record we'll be more than ok. So I highly recommend people get real a bit, back away from the frustration of what is a poor result and enjoy the fact that we are in actually a very good position in this league with promotion in our own hands. If in a month or two time when the games in hands are gone its not in our own hands anymore i'll begin to worry, be annoyed, and start to question players/managers maybe. But for now, can we just not enjoy the fact that these players/managers have us in a situation where we have things in our own hands, with some massive games to come (which I suspect will suit us a bit more, because big games bring out the best in players). What a load of patronizing garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Pretty poor but I wouldn't have been at all surprised if we lost that game. Can't win them all.... (unless your Brighton)...... problem is our own expectations are that we SHOULD win them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 What's up with Morgan then? He was class against Man Utd but it appears Hammond and Chaplow are first choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Good, good, usual drama queenism. Out of all the teams playing for second place (lets face it, we are now unless Brighton implode) we got the best result. Win saturday at home gainst a team fighting relegation and it's 4 points from 2 in week again and a good return. On paper should we win? Of course, but guess what, football isn't played on paper but we got a point, didn't lose ground on the others despite not playing well. We wont win every game FFS My thoughts exactly, well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Is it really unrealistic to expect this team with the resources and squad it has compared to the opposition to be in the top 2 after 31 games? or indeed to at least compete with rather than be 10 points behind Brighton? You do go on, however, look at Chelski, enough said methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 My gripe about January is that we failed to buy a sharpshooter. It may well prove that the extra million being asked might have been a bargain if we miss second place. Back to shooting practice boys. Or we're doooooomed. Spot on, we need a striker who can score from open play on a regular basis.We also need to stop tarting about in midfield,Morgan and one of Chaplow or Hammond. Adkins has got that all wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 i have never really been on NA's bus. I wanted Howe and still think he was the man for the job. NA has not used the transfer/loan window to any effect. Many on here have a blind faith that we are a good side, I have not seen that for quite some games now. We got to 2nd and then should have pushed on but no we let it slip and the gap is getting bigger not smaller. We do not have the firepower to win at games like Hartlepool as we did last season. I have not seen the team set up but i think neither of his signings (Forte Nguessan) played, that says something about NA's judgement. Iam one of the few who would have sold Ox, and used that money to get a player like Antonio back who has a true effect on the game. Ox is too young to have the expectation on his shoulders and it is unfair on him to expect him to help pull us up. IMO top 6 is the best our squad will achieve, depressing but i will cheer them on and hope i have got it wrong about NA and can hop on the bus with egg on my face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 We were never going to lose but were missing something to have enough to win. Either which way. ALAN CARR..... ALAN ALAN ALAN CARR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andoverian Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 i have never really been on NA's bus. I wanted Howe and still think he was the man for the job. NA has not used the transfer/loan window to any effect. Many on here have a blind faith that we are a good side, I have not seen that for quite some games now. We got to 2nd and then should have pushed on but no we let it slip and the gap is getting bigger not smaller. We do not have the firepower to win at games like Hartlepool as we did last season. I have not seen the team set up but i think neither of his signings (Forte Nguessan) played, that says something about NA's judgement. Iam one of the few who would have sold Ox, and used that money to get a player like Antonio back who has a true effect on the game. Ox is too young to have the expectation on his shoulders and it is unfair on him to expect him to help pull us up. IMO top 6 is the best our squad will achieve, depressing but i will cheer them on and hope i have got it wrong about NA and can hop on the bus with egg on my face Good post -My thoughts entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 When fixtures came out (and when everyone thought we were going to walk this league) - Hartlepool away on a freezing saturday in December had 0-0 written all over it. So a rearranged fixture on a freezing cold wet tuesday night in Feb still had 0-0 written all over it. Not a bad result in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The thing is at the start of the season for the first time I really felt saints had a chance to win a league not come second, not go up via the play offs WIN it. There shouldn't have been any excuses this season call it arrogance if you like but we are the biggest club in this league we should be winning it yet all around are supporters who seem to think being second best is great it makes me sad. This year I had really high expectations (my own fault -I should have known better) and right now I feel let down, coming second won't feel great to me it will feel like a faliure. The time to address that disappointment was when Pardew messed up the start of the season and when we had a bad spell in between managers. It's been pretty clear ever since then that winning the league was unlikely. Adkins points record is pretty good and shows every sign of getting us promoted. So stop whinging, pick your biscuit up and get on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Why are so many so negative? We have 17 games remaining. Win 12 draw a couple and we will have 2nd spot. Looking at our recent league results, the last 4, 3 of which were away, two wins, two draws, 8 points from a possible 12; the last 10 have given a return of 6 wins, 3 draws, one loss - 21 points. Is that really a bad run? A win on Saturday and three more points on Tuesday and everyone will be happy. Get the 2nd slot and then push on for the top. COYR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 What a load of patronizing garbage. Yet sadly some people need it spelt out to them like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Why are so many so negative? We have 17 games remaining. Win 12 draw a couple and we will have 2nd spot. Looking at our recent league results, the last 4, 3 of which were away, two wins, two draws, 8 points from a possible 12; the last 10 have given a return of 6 wins, 3 draws, one loss - 21 points. Is that really a bad run? A win on Saturday and three more points on Tuesday and everyone will be happy. Get the 2nd slot and then push on for the top. COYR's Ian i like your positive thoughts but hand on heart do you see this side win 12 out of 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 :rolleyes:The bus would appear to have a throttle problem:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian the Red Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Ian i like your positive thoughts but hand on heart do you see this side win 12 out of 17? Well OldNick, the answer is simple, of course we will!! From the 51 points on offer and looking at the opposition, I would expect a return of around 38 - 40 points. We do not lose often atm, so its a question of turning the away draws into wins. Get a winning run going soon and it'll happen, we'll catch Brighton!! Christ.... must have another beer........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Was Forte injured? I know he must have known he came here as a squad player but dropped from the 18 after two cameo appearances can't be good for morale. I know he'll get his chance, but when? Good to see Lallana back on the team sheet. A fit Adam is the difference between 2nd and play-offs imo. It was an ok result if you look at other teams around us, but sounded like a dull game. A return of the 4-3-3 perhaps? All out attack would scare the living shyte out of teams. Promotion is paramount, failure for me would be starting next season in League 1. I'd happily scrape 2nd or win the play-off final, so long as it happens. With the potential threat of key players leaving in summer, lack of a promotion would be devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 All this stuff about how we should be 'obliterating teams' and the like is incredibly disrespectful to our opponents and is the sort of arrogance that is getting us disliked by other fans. No team is too good for a league, we're here because we deserve to be. There is a long way to go, and we will finish second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 i have never really been on NA's bus. I wanted Howe and still think he was the man for the job. NA has not used the transfer/loan window to any effect. Many on here have a blind faith that we are a good side, I have not seen that for quite some games now. We got to 2nd and then should have pushed on but no we let it slip and the gap is getting bigger not smaller. We do not have the firepower to win at games like Hartlepool as we did last season. I have not seen the team set up but i think neither of his signings (Forte Nguessan) played, that says something about NA's judgement. Iam one of the few who would have sold Ox, and used that money to get a player like Antonio back who has a true effect on the game. Ox is too young to have the expectation on his shoulders and it is unfair on him to expect him to help pull us up. IMO top 6 is the best our squad will achieve, depressing but i will cheer them on and hope i have got it wrong about NA and can hop on the bus with egg on my face When we went 2nd we had all played the same amount of games. Since then other teams have played two or three more games. Its hard to push on when they are playing and picking up points and we are not. I hoped that we would start to get daylight between us and 3rd. The biggest factor though is playing less games. We are getting more points per game than the others. The fact that he signed two impact subs - when most on here agreed that was the priority - should make it unsurprising that they are not starting - ahead of Ox-c and Lallana. Opinions, but think Antonio was,and is, a mile behind Ox-C - (not seen much of them but on pedigree etc he is probably behind Forte and Nguessan). You maybe right about top 6, who knows it will change a few times yet. 2nd is still clearly there for the taking. Our games in hand and goal difference give us possible 4 point cushion. Since Adkins has arrived we are gaining points on all of those as well so still conceiveable we will do it with games to spare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 When we went 2nd we had all played the same amount of games. Since then other teams have played two or three more games. Its hard to push on when they are playing and picking up points and we are not. I hoped that we would start to get daylight between us and 3rd. The biggest factor though is playing less games. We are getting more points per game than the others. The fact that he signed two impact subs - when most on here agreed that was the priority - should make it unsurprising that they are not starting - ahead of Ox-c and Lallana. Opinions, but think Antonio was,and is, a mile behind Ox-C - (not seen much of them but on pedigree etc he is probably behind Forte and Nguessan). You maybe right about top 6, who knows it will change a few times yet. 2nd is still clearly there for the taking. Our games in hand and goal difference give us possible 4 point cushion. Since Adkins has arrived we are gaining points on all of those as well so still conceiveable we will do it with games to spare. you are up on the stats, i dont get into those much. To me we seem to be going backwards and have played more at home than away, so that has an impact. Antonio scored quite a few goals for us and his pace and power won us games. Ox is going to be a good player, but it is too much to expecth im to pull us over the line. i would take Antonio in front ogf the new 2 in a heartbeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 simple stats (don't mean in patronising way) we are getting a better points return than rivals, have better goals difference, win games in hand we will be 3 points clear of 2nd, if we fail to win all games in hand, but continue to get 2 points per games for them (as we have since Adkins arrived) we will still be 2nd. Don't give up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 havent given up but think the bus is stuck in first gear and needs to move through the gears a bit sharpish.we may have games in hand but id rather the points on the board, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 The time to address that disappointment was when Pardew messed up the start of the season and when we had a bad spell in between managers. It's been pretty clear ever since then that winning the league was unlikely. Adkins points record is pretty good and shows every sign of getting us promoted. So stop whinging, pick your biscuit up and get on the bus. Pardew lost one league game from three I somehow don't think that was the end of our season, Wilkins was a disaster but even so we should have done better since then it seems everytime we've had a chance to captalize on poor results by those around us we choose to put in another dire performance instead. If wanting saints to win the league is whinging then I'm happy to be a whinger. Honestly if we want to go were NC wants us to go then saints (fans,team manager everyone) has got to stop thinking that coming second is ok. This is a new era we're probaly better off now than we have been in living memeroy with regards to resources,money and infrastructure and yet people are happy with second and mediocre I suppose old habits die hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Pardew lost one league game from three I somehow don't think that was the end of our season, Wilkins was a disaster but even so we should have done better since then it seems everytime we've had a chance to captalize on poor results by those around us we choose to put in another dire performance instead. If wanting saints to win the league is whinging then I'm happy to be a whinger. Honestly if we want to go were NC wants us to go then saints (fans,team manager everyone) has got to stop thinking that coming second is ok. This is a new era we're probaly better off now than we have been in living memeroy with regards to resources,money and infrastructure and yet people are happy with second and mediocre I suppose old habits die hard. Coming second is ok. I don't want to win League One as an end in itself. I wanted to win League One because it gets us out of League One. To that end, second will do fine. Winning the play-offs will do fine, and perversely will probably be more fun. I fully buy into Nicola's ambitions but part of winning is having the maturity and mental strength to press on following a set-back and not having a strop about it and indulging in endless and counter-productive naval gazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 Coming second is ok. I don't want to win League One as an end in itself. I wanted to win League One because it gets us out of League One. To that end, second will do fine. Winning the play-offs will do fine, and perversely will probably be more fun. I fully buy into Nicola's ambitions but part of winning is having the maturity and mental strength to press on following a set-back and not having a strop about it and indulging in endless and counter-productive naval gazing. Well thats where we differ then............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 February, 2011 Share Posted 23 February, 2011 simple stats (don't mean in patronising way) we are getting a better points return than rivals, have better goals difference, win games in hand we will be 3 points clear of 2nd, if we fail to win all games in hand, but continue to get 2 points per games for them (as we have since Adkins arrived) we will still be 2nd. Don't give up! as we are both saints fans im usre you will understand why Im sceptical about winning games in hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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