madruss Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Why doesn't our team win every game? The other teams win every game so why not ours? Not good enough, I'm off to drown myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Quite a surprising level of over reaction tonight! Chill out guys we're no worse off now than we were 3 hours ago. A big win on Saturday and we'll all be jumping again! I still think we'll make second place come the end of the season. Stay positive and get behind the lads FWIW so do I. The problem is unless we're ripping up trees in the process it doesn't count for much in some people's eyes. There are times when I do wonder whether I support the same team as the majority of the drama queens on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Ah....ye olde tempting fate tactic....like it.... ;-) I will try anything to get out of this league!! Still think we will go up, not panicking yet, and staying positive. We have the games in hand to get us their and yes we need to win them, but over the remainder of the season we have enough in us to grab that second spot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexdawkins Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 so frustrating... again. let off the hook by others but still poor. and hartlepool's home record is poor. it is their away form that is saving them this season. pathetic lack of consistency from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What low standards, expectation and ambition our fan base has in places... what unrealistic standards, expectations and ambitions our fan base has in places...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What is up with fans who see this result as OK? So other teams drew as well. Thats no credit to Saints, just luck. The L1 championship is well beyond us and Brighton are showing how champion teams play. Hartlepool are mid to lower table and our team struggled against them. People who say we have such a great squad need to take off the rose-tinted glasses. This great squad can't produce a consistent winning team and loses too often. The games in hand mean nothing unless the team can win them both and that looks less and less likely.It now seems the playoffs is the best we can hope for and even that depends on other teams doing worse than we do. Have I made it too obvious that I'm p****d off with this result. What worries me is that this team lacks the bottle and fight to be successful via the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 How have I written the season off ? I said Brighton are out-of-sight. And they are. You carry on clutching those straws... Umm...? It would only be fair to look towards the end of the season after we've played Bournemouth on March 12th. 7 points from 3 games before that will do nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Why doesn't our team win every game? The other teams win every game so why not ours? Not good enough, I'm off to drown myself We are not looking to win every game but we should with our team and squad be able to be in the top two of the 3rd divsion after 31 games played! Or at least making a push for them rather than turning down the opportunity presented to us, hence the frustration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 7 shots on target, 4 shots off. the commos must have missed them then!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Rubbish. Extremely disappointed at the wasted opportunity. The players dont want promotion enough. Agree. This season more and more looks like it is heading nowhere. Are we good enough? Probably not for automatic. Surely Cortese won't be happy with the play-offs only? It just gets gloomier and gloomier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Wow! now I am happy, a draw against the world beaters from Hartlepool in the 3rd divsion, is something I should obviously be well pleased with so why I am so frustrated then? They are very good at home against the top sides and we got a point. Division 3 is where we are at the moment and I am sure there are many other teams who are thinking the same. Charlton and Sheffield Wednesday to name two, but I want out of here just as much as every Saints fan, and I believe that staying positive gives us a better chance of reaching this goal. Cheers up matey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 FWIW so do I. The problem is unless we're ripping up trees in the process it doesn't count for much in some people's eyes. There are times when I do wonder whether I support the same team as the majority of the drama queens on here. As your user name implies, I want us to be winners and not reliant on other teams results. If our form was good and we were unlucky not to get a result I would feel ok about our situation, but we are playing badly and our form is slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Wow! now I am happy, a draw against the world beaters from Hartlepool in the 3rd divsion, is something I should obviously be well pleased with so why I am so frustrated then? Because you want to win every game, which is totally understandable; don't we all! The point us that football pays no attention to money spent, player status or size of club. Who would have said that Man Utd would only manage one goal against non-league Crawley? They *should* have mullerred them, shouldn't they? Hartlepool deserve greater respect; Brighton and Charlton, amongst others, have lost up there. What gives us a divine right to beat them at their place? We are no worse off tonight than we were yesterday; we still have three games in hand on Bmouth; we are maintaining a promotion-gaining points per game average, winning at home and (at least) drawing away. I just don't get all the hysteria on here tonight, as it is not based on evidence or reasoned thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 more worrying for me is that since the Oldham game our performances have been very poor (Man Ure the exception) as have NA and his subs. AP got hammered on here coutless times for exactly this. I am hoping it is just the fact of the called of games, we need to get a rythem going again, that will only come with playing back to back. Here is hoping for much better on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 what unrealistic standards, expectations and ambitions our fan base has in places...... Is it really unrealistic to expect this team with the resources and squad it has compared to the opposition to be in the top 2 after 31 games? or indeed to at least compete with rather than be 10 points behind Brighton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 FWIW so do I. The problem is unless we're ripping up trees in the process it doesn't count for much in some people's eyes. There are times when I do wonder whether I support the same team as the majority of the drama queens on here. See i don't agree with this attitude at all. In comparison to resources and players on the pitch we should obliterate most of the teams in this league. Our squad cost more then Brightons and on paper you would think are more talented. But the difference in results is massive. We won't get first place, we don't have the consistency for it. 2nd place is our goal. But to get to 2nd place means we must over-take 3 teams. If we match those teams results we do not gain on them. How can you get to 2nd if you match each others results? It is all well and good talking about games in hand but that doesn't mean we will win them. We still have to turn up and play the game. Writing them off as wins is pretty dumb. Especially when we have only won 2 of our last 6 league games. Where as Brighton have won 5 of their last 6 league games. That is the kind of form we should be matching in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What worries me is that this team lacks the bottle and fight to be successful via the play offs. what are you talking about? We have only lost one away in our last 6 and our league record against the teams in the top 8 and the realstic play off contenders is played 9, W5 d2 L2. One of those defeats was MK Dons away when Adkins had been in charge for a day! We will be the team other teams dont want to play in the play offs if it comes to that, that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 more worrying for me is that since the Oldham game our performances have been very poor (Man Ure the exception) as have NA and his subs. AP got hammered on here coutless times for exactly this. I am hoping it is just the fact of the called of games, we need to get a rythem going again, that will only come with playing back to back. Here is hoping for much better on Saturday Exeter and Posh weren't bad. We are not looking to win every game but we should with our team and squad be able to be in the top two of the 3rd divsion after 31 games played! Or at least making a push for them rather than turning down the opportunity presented to us, hence the frustration! We haven't played 31 games. And if we win the 2 games to get us to 31, we will be second. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexdawkins Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What low standards, expectation and ambition our fan base has in places... what unrealistic standards, expectations and ambitions our fan base has in places...... I think expecting a club that has spent as much as we have in comparison to everyone else in our league to be able to beat hartlepool is entirely realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think expecting a club that has spent as much as we have in comparison to everyone else in our league to be able to beat hartlepool is entirely realistic. True. Brighton and Charlton (who both lost at Hartlepool), would probably say the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 In comparison to resources and players on the pitch we should obliterate most of the teams in this league. I disagree completely. Man Utd struggled against Crawley, Leeds took a long time to get out of this league. Football isn't as simple as Good teams always beating the smaller teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 NA is out of his depth. It's Luggy all over again , except two divisions down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 what are you talking about? We have only lost one away in our last 6 and our league record against the teams in the top 8 and the realstic play off contenders is played 9, W5 d2 L2. One of those defeats was MK Dons away when Adkins had been in charge for a day! We will be the team other teams dont want to play in the play offs if it comes to that, that is for sure. This is Saints though, we'd find a way to totally **** it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 True. Brighton and Charlton (who both lost at Hartlepool), would probably say the same. You can talk about who beat who until the cows come home. What matters is the total number of wins and points. Right now Brighton sit 10 points clear of us having spent a fraction of what we have putting their squad together. Bompey sit 6 points ahead of us having spent no money, losing their manager and having to sell players. Sometimes not even being able to get a full squad together. Should we be expecting to be 5th then at the almost 30 game mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Is it really unrealistic to expect this team with the resources and squad it has compared to the opposition to be in the top 2 after 31 games? or indeed to at least compete with rather than be 10 points behind Brighton? Realistically we could and should have beaten them, but on paper Man United should have beaten Crawley 10-0 saturday, Arsenal should have spanked Leyton Orient rather than drawing, Chelsea should have beaten Everton, Sunderland should have beaten Notts Country in the 3rd round. We should have won tonight if football was played out on a computer with attributes and statistics being the decisive factor but it isn't. Yes we should be top two and we would be but for our shocking start. We are playing catch up, but i still believe we are good enough to go up ideally by automatic but if not by the play offs. What is unrealistic is our fans expecting us to win every game 5-0 and the the dispear when we dont citing money spent as the reason why we should win. Look at Man City, money guarentees f*ck all. Win saturday and it's 4 points from 2 games in a week again and in February have taken 11 from 5 games, a good return, keep it up and we go up, people need to measure our performances and form over 5 or 6 games not 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmore Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 A point away from home is usually not too bad, but the performance didn't sound good again and we really needed those three points after all the slip-ups we have had this season. Saints seemed to hit a peak in performance at Oldham but since then they have been pretty shabby. No excuse for that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexdawkins Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 True. Brighton and Charlton (who both lost at Hartlepool), would probably say the same. Brighton and Charlton are run on much smaller budgets than us. and when you have an unbeaten home record like brighton, then it becomes much easier to look on the bright side when you draw away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think expecting a club that has spent as much as we have in comparison to everyone else in our league to be able to beat hartlepool is entirely realistic. You're right, we should win every game 10-0 in this league as we have spent 10 times more than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I disagree completely. Man Utd struggled against Crawley, Leeds took a long time to get out of this league. Football isn't as simple as Good teams always beating the smaller teams. The Man Utd team that played Crawley was not their main team... If they had put out their A team they would of got mauled. In division three we are one of the big teams. In terms of resources we are the biggest. Have more money, bigger stadium, ability to attract players from other clubs, some even in a higher division, better squad. So if you put that scale into say the PL that would be like Arsenal being 5th. I doubt their fans would be happy with draws at say Wigan/West Brom. They would be expecting to win those games if they wanted to win the title. Shouldn't we be thinking the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What worries me is that this team lacks the bottle and fight to be successful via the play offs. Over 2 games I would have us down to beat any team in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 wish we had a Grant Holt type player...gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Let's not get too down , yes it sounded pants for 90% of it and it's 2 points dropped but it's an extremely tough place to go as Brighton have already proved this season , and we got lucky not to lose as they cam very close a few times. Could have been a lot worse tonight if other results went against us , which yet again they didn't and Bournemouth only drew again. Just gotta get behind the team because they're going to need it knowing our record against Swindon , win and all will be well again. I'm not over the moon about a draw tonight either , and we should just focus on 2nd place now because we won't catch Brighton. At least we still have 3 games in hand on Bournemouth as only need 6 points from those to go ahead of them (on goal difference) , so 7 points from those 3 at least would be good. Get behind the team and note to players - Get the ball to Lallana and let him do his magic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 NA is out of his depth. It's Luggy all over again , except two divisions down. Bloody Daleks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I'd have taken a draw. A win would have been better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Just in from the game - staying up here a night and have got tomorrow off work - i really really don't know why i bother. I've read a few of the comments on this thread and i'm staggered that some people think this is a good result. I've seen comments like "everyone else drew so it's ok" and "can't win 'em all". Come on guys FFS! This is the third tier of english football!! We are playing in front of crowds of 3,000, not 30,000! Most of the teams we are competing against struggle to fill their bench, let alone their stands and have to rely on free transfers and loans in the windows. We are a GIANT to the likes of Hartlepool and yet some are happy with Hartlepool getting the better of us in a drab goalless draw? Jesus Christ! The game on Saturday was cancelled, meaning we had extra rest time and preparation time for this one. Absolutely NO excuses to play so badly, especially in the first half. We knew exactly what the weather and pitch were going to be like - both ****. So why the hell didn't we prepare for it?! I'm sick to death of hearing that ****ing excuse from our lot after every poor performance on the road. If it's that much of a problem, i suggest Mr Cortese saves the money that is going towards a further revamp of the training facilities, and instead gets Adkins to get them training for free down at the sporty in the build up to away trips on **** pitches. But the pitch wasn't the issue today. We just weren't up for it from the first whistle and in such an important game, that is criminal. Far too many players aren't doing enough to justify their continued selection in the team. Adkins hasn't really convinced me from day 1, and i have no idea what he has been doing with his substitutions over the past few weeks. Take Alex Chamberlain for example. The guy clearly looks drained and his performances are suffering after a gruelling first season in professional football. He really needs to be taken out of the firing line for a week or two, or else Adkins is going to completely burn him out. He'll benefit from this mentally just as much as physically. I just can't put into words how hugely frustrating it is to watch them right now. The cherries don't even have half the talent that we have, they have sold their best players, have no money to go on wages/transfers, lost their young inspiring manager half way through the year, but they are STILL ahead of us! Absolutely embarrassing, and if that is the case come May, no one should get paid. We're closer to Rochdale (5 points) than we are to Brighton. Boy am i not looking forward to that drive home tomorrow. Think that's me done with all these ridiculous midweek away trips for a while. So disappointing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 All season there has only been 2 spots left for promotion, one automatic and the play off final, Brighton have been the best side since day one. This result isn't disastrous, we can and will play better. Bournemouth have now got 3 draws in a row, they must be gutted at conceding two late equalisers and missing a penalty so the impetous is from us, a good win on saturday will make all the difference and I can't see us losing all our games in hand so we should gain on the others. So many games to go, we can do it. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think I'm in two minds after tonight's game, then again I'm not so sure!!!!!!! Similar position after the game as before and no one managed to steal a lead on us, so sort of OK. Down side is I think we have gone off the boil somewhat since the Oldham game (I really thought that was the point where we had made our mark and were going to push on). Mixed reaction from me tonight. Not slitting wrists, but slightly concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What low standards, expectation and ambition our fan base has in places... Some might call it realism that we wont win every away game this season regardless of expectation of fans .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Sounds like another Wycombe away. Just read Adkins post-match interview - utter sh1te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 All other forums from the teams around us saying the same thing - Opportunity missed. It happens in football, we have 17 games left and 51 points to play for. The games against Bompey and Charlton are MASSIVE and will decide our season. I'll wait until we've played those games until I start slitting my wrists, like most seem to be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 All other forums from the teams around us saying the same thing - Opportunity missed. It happens in football, we have 17 games left and 51 points to play for. The games against Bompey and Charlton are MASSIVE and will decide our season. I'll wait until we've played those games until I start slitting my wrists, like most seem to be doing. But thats exactly the point - they shouldn't - had we taken our chance tonight perhaps the pressure in those games wouldn't have been quite so great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Mixed reaction from me tonight. Not slitting wrists, but slightly concerned. Sums it up quite well for me. Saturday is the must win game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 18 points out of 27 since 1st January and that 9 games incldes SIX away from home. That is pretty much excellent form this year. We are grinding out results when not playing as well as we can and also when we have player/s missing for games. I suggest we all wait until we have caught up our backlog before passing much more judgement on how we will finish. Some of you guys need to get real .... other teams have had a lot of home games in their recent run of form, we have not had this so should remain confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Mr Positive strikes again. I think 2nd place is promotion too? 2nd place b ollocks I wanted to win this f ucking league coming second to Brighton is f ucking embarrasing. I really can't believe how many people seem to be happy being fifth in this league below such massive clubs as Bournemouth, Peterbrough and Brighton. With the resources we've got and the players we've got we should be tearing this league a new one not being happy to scrape in second (if we even manage that). Poor result s hit night Good night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think expecting a club that has spent as much as we have in comparison to everyone else in our league to be able to beat hartlepool is entirely realistic. You're right, we should win every game 10-0 in this league as we have spent 10 times more than everyone else. Whatever the club has spent on players, they are by definition players prepared to play in the 3rd division, and however many of those we buy we can only put 11 on the pitch at the same time. Yes, we do have the best squad in the division, but amazingly the other clubs in League 1 are aware of that and will play accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 18 points out of 27 since 1st January and that 9 games incldes SIX away from home. That is pretty much excellent form this year. We are grinding out results when not playing as well as we can and also when we have player/s missing for games. I suggest we all wait until we have caught up our backlog before passing much more judgement on how we will finish. Some of you guys need to get real .... other teams have had a lot of home games in their recent run of form, we have not had this so should remain confident. 24/33 if you count it from December 28th (after our 18 day break) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Not sure what game I was watching? PITCH absolutely no factor - checked with my fellow diners in the Indian in HPool and the pitch was dry and flat - absolutely - saw it with my own eyes! Saints very one dimensional, take Lambert out of it and we might have a plan B? So easy to play against.... Do we needLLanna and OX away from home? On tonights evidence maybe not? Neither of them very involved and combined together a waste of one player with our long ball HOoofff it tactics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Nigel Adkins "Taking care of business" A new phrase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHA Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 2nd place b ollocks i wanted to win this f ucking league coming second to brighton is f ucking embarrasing. I really can't believe how many people seem to be happy being fifth in this league below such massive clubs as bournemouth, peterbrough and brighton. With the resources we've got and the players we've got we should be tearing this league a new one not being happy to scrape in second (if we even manage that). Poor result s hit night good night. deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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