hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think the journalist needs to be taken to task and asked to name his source. Until he does so, it remains just another unsubstantiated rumour. That's true but that might be quite difficult to do.It is often too difficult to name sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Have to say, I kind of agree with Hypo, this is a debating forum and I can't quite see why some of us are so sure the sale couldn't happen! It doesnt have to mean its a bad thing! Bottom line is we don't know, but I am open to both options being possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 It's been obvious right from the start that it wasn't really Markus who wanted to buy us but NC, and that he managed to get ML to bankroll it, and managed to enthuse him a bit (especially if ML knew he was ill and wanted a bit of fun for a while). If the Liebherr's want out then NC, if he want's still to run things, will have other finance options in his back pocket. It's all going to be down to NC's own enthusiasm and commitment. Assuming of course that the Liebherrs would want to sell to Cortese and that there isn't any truth in the suggestions from leftback that there was some sort of dispute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Have to say, I kind of agree with Hypo, this is a debating forum and I can't quite see why some of us are so sure the sale couldn't happen! It doesnt have to mean its a bad thing! Bottom line is we don't know, but I am open to both options being possible! Exactly! Some find it offensive to even entertain a possibility that something could occur. If we dealt purely in facts then there would be no point in this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 22 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think the journalist needs to be taken to task and asked to name his source. Until he does so, it remains just another unsubstantiated rumour. To be fair - a phrase you'll know well;) - his twitter biog does state "These views are my own and not those of my employers, Newsquest". Bit I did find it strange that only a week after the local Echo seems to have finally understood how much it is ****ing of many Saints fans (i.e. many of it's customers) with it's negative and/or unsettling stories, that the sports editor of their sister publication should suddenly be claiming to be privy to such information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 To be fair - a phrase you'll know well;) - his twitter biog does state "These views are my own and not those of my employers, Newsquest". Bit I did find it strange that only a week after the local Echo seems to have finally understood how much it is ****ing of many Saints fans (i.e. many of it's customers) with it's negative and/or unsettling stories, that the sports editor of their sister publication should suddenly be claiming to be privy to such information. Buit why would he make it up? Seriously what would he possibly have to gain? Cortese has shown that he isn't unsettled or annoyed in the slightest by such rumours so it seems odd that he would fabricate this rumour purely because he dislikes Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I think people a may be thinking about the notion of being "for sale" in too crude a set of terms. The reality is probably much more complex and a sale wouldn't necessarily mean a sweeping regime change. There are a couple of things we do know; for instance that Markus and Nicola made a commitment to each other to try and restore Saints to a Prem side. We don't, however, know how far the remaining Lieherrs wish to support Markus's plans. For instance, whilst they would undoubtedly feel some emotional ties to him and his wishes, would they wish to pick up the long term financial burden that this may need (I know we've been told that a budget has been made and set aside to facilitate the five year plan, but we have no idea what level of funding this may entail)? Alternatively, they may feel that they can do their bit by passing the club on to somebody else who will carry through and finance Markus's plans. I would expect that there could be a scenario in which the Liebherrs could pass the ownership of the club onto another set of financial backers with Cortese's approval, a set of backers who would share the plan previously laid out and were happy for Cortese to continue running the club. Should a rich set of financiers approach the club and offer this set of circumstances, perhaps a sale could be arranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Call with someone close to the club. Can't really say more and certainly can't say who. I can assure you I don't stir, though! An update from the reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Buit why would he make it up? Seriously what would he possibly have to gain? Cortese has shown that he isn't unsettled or annoyed in the slightest by such rumours so it seems odd that he would fabricate this rumour purely because he dislikes Cortese. Because it unsettles the fans and unsettled fans start putting pressure on Cortese to deny the rumours (yet again) and then fans start questioning Cortese at matches which results in a -ve atmosphere which affects the players which affctes Saints' league form.....you get my drift Call with someone close to the club. Can't really say more and certainly can't say who. I can assure you I don't stir, though! Who would be close to the club that would know these type of things that would quite happily divulge it to a "non" person? I don't totally believe the rumour (again) but then again I'm not going to dimiss out of hand the fact that the club could change hands at any point. No-one knows how the Liebherrs feel about the club except NC himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I reckon NC owns us now. What a wonderful 'be careful what you wish for' moment that would be for the anti cortese brigade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Because it unsettles the fans and unsettled fans start putting pressure on Cortese to deny the rumours (yet again) and then fans start questioning Cortese at matches which results in a -ve atmosphere which affects the players which affctes Saints' league form.....you get my drift Who would be close to the club that would know these type of things that would quite happily divulge it to a "non" person? I don't totally believe the rumour (again) but then again I'm not going to dimiss out of hand the fact that the club could change hands at any point. No-one knows how the Liebherrs feel about the club except NC himself But he is a saints fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 What a wonderful 'be careful what you wish for' moment that would be for the anti cortese brigade! Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 (edited) Grow up. Now now. I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone. Just mocking the partisan behavior that has occured on here over the last few months. Look in the mirror. Edited 22 February, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Exactly! Some find it offensive to even entertain a possibility that something could occur. If we dealt purely in facts then there would be no point in this forum! Some find it offensive that people would believe something is true even though it has been proven to be false. What is there to debate? Do you really need the chairman to come out and say what is true and what isn't Everytime someone posts a rumour? Seems to me even if he did that you still wouldn't believe it. You would just wait a day or so then ask why he hasn't debunked the latest rumour! The club will be sold oneday, it is inevitable. But do you really think the secretive chairman will tell many people the club is for sale? And of those he tells how many do you think would then openly go against him and tell others? A journalist at a paper? If you think that then you clearly haven't noticed how the club keeps its business behind closed doors and doesn't tell anyone about it until it is complete or on the oss. You would think some people would have some common sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Christ, Cortese has already come out very recently and said that we are NOT for sale. The lemming mentality on here is incredible.. (In the style of Hypo) This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Some find it offensive that people would believe something is true even though it has been proven to be false. What is there to debate? Do you really need the chairman to come out and say what is true and what isn't Everytime someone posts a rumour? Seems to me even if he did that you still wouldn't believe it. You would just wait a day or so then ask why he hasn't debunked the latest rumour! The club will be sold oneday, it is inevitable. But do you really think the secretive chairman will tell many people the club is for sale? And of those he tells how many do you think would then openly go against him and tell others? A journalist at a paper? If you think that then you clearly haven't noticed how the club keeps its business behind closed doors and doesn't tell anyone about it until it is complete or on the oss. You would think some people would have some common sense... So come on then, who is 'believing something is true'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 But he is a saints fan! And?? Seriously how many "Saints' Fans" on here have been fed a complete load of BS and passed it on as gospel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Now now. I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone. Just mocking the partisan behavior that has occured on here over the last few months. Look in the mirror. You should not use the term 'anti Cortese.' It is inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 And?? Seriously how many "Saints' Fans" on here have been fed a complete load of BS and passed it on as gospel? The poster was suggesting that the reporter had invented the twitter post in order to make the club lose games. Why would a saints fan do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 You should not use the term 'anti Cortese.' It is inaccurate. How would you phrase it? Cortesely challenged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 How would you phrase it? Cortesely challenged? Who in your mind is anti Cortese? Anti some of his decisions certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 How do you know that? Unless you know the people involved personally how can you suggest that their information is invented because they are bitter? I would be pretty insulted by that viewpoint if I was one of the ones you refer to. I'm not referring to any one person but there are people on here who revel in a good controversy. They may not necessarily invent stories but they most certainly nit pick and always look to find a way to discredit any regime the club have. I'm not saying you shouldn't question the way the club is run, but these particular people feel the incessant need to question everything... almost as if they think they could do a better job. And I don't think you need to know the person per-se. I'm sure there is plenty of evidence on here anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Come on chaps, there's just no need for this all over again, it just devalues the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Who in your mind is anti Cortese? Anti some of his decisions certainly. Well, recent posts by forum member 'Matthew Le Tissier,' not the man himself indicate an extremely low opinion of the man, not just his decisions. I've had the pleasure of meeting this forum member once, he seems a sound chap and for him to express such explicitly negative things shocks me. Besides, the flippant nature of my remark should surely have indicated that the 'decisions' element was the clincher.... people who are critical of the mans business decisions would surely be livid if he gained full and independant control of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 The poster was suggesting that the reporter had invented the twitter post in order to make the club lose games. Why would a saints fan do that? If you're referring to the "Dark Forces in action?" comment I wouldn't suggest that that meant that the OP thought that the reporter had invented the twitter post. Rather that the reporter is being "fed" by the "Dark Forces" in an attempt to destabilise the club. And why choose a Saints' fan in such a "respected" position? a) because he would get excited at the "scoop" and pass it on with all haste b) Because he's a Saints' fan and will be believed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 We need to stop giving creedence to the likes of Fitzhugh and a few others I can think of.They know no more than any other fan and should be listened to less than most fans because like the "dark forces" they are bitter at being out of the loop at the club and have an agenda. Read between the lines of a few of the anti-Cortese posters on here and you will see they are part of the "give us a job" , "fanontheboard" clique and know that while Nicola is in charge they will never have a chance of a free lunch. A few but not all. Some of the so-called "anti-Cortese" people just think he's made a bunch of bad PR decisions and isn't always acting in the club's longer term interests regarding the treatment of fans surrounding the opportunity to purchase Season Tickets (I'm referring everyone without £400-£500 spare in the bank at 3 weeks' notice, rather than as Nick Illingsworth, lest that be misunderstood). I'm pretty comfortable that the club isn't for sale... except to the right bidder in exceptional circumstances. Whether rumoured "legal clarifications" between the Chairman and the Liebherr family could constitute "exceptional" I'm not sure. Without getting too het up about it (as we're doing ok at the moment), there's clearly something not "simple" about the money set aside for Markus' legacy. If there is a family issue with agreed funding, the easiest solution is a mutually agreed sale to cash in on the club's value, rather than impacting on success of an investment by hamstringing the club with legal wranglings affecting transfer dealings - though I can't say I've seen much evidence of that either. Whether the January transfer window signings show we still have access to the money or not is definitely up for debate - Lallana's signing shows we must have some decent dosh set aside, and whilst I'm not sure Chamberlain staying is to do with money at this juncture (he hasn't got a new contract out of it that we know of) the status of Forte as our headline permanent signing doesn't really set the pulse racing. But that might just be because the manager is happy with the squad for now as much as it might be that we don't have the readies to entice better players. Certainly the squad didn't need another makeover like the one it got from August '09 to February '10 under Pardew. This is pure speculation on my part and I have absolutely no evidence for this other than circumstance, but in the back of my head is a nagging doubt that we can get "new" money released - so renewed contracts like Lallana's are covered by the "legacy", signing loan players permanently who may have been targets discussed with Markus could be covered by the legacy, and signing cheap players and loans is covered by ongoing operational profit - but is it the case that we no longer have that direct line to the money man and his transfer approval, now Markus himself can't sign the cheques ? Either way, Cortese's position is "the club is not for sale" and you have to take that at face value in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 So come on then, who is 'believing something is true'? You do. No offence but you seem to believe everything the media tells you. Have you not realised yet that when they report these things they never say who told them it? If they know it is true as they claim then what have they got to fear by not saying their name? Why do they feel they need to hide? Isn't sniping from the shadows a bit low? Especially when the guy your sniping has already denied the rumour? For all we know the source could be that Mickey guy from Pinnacle. The sad thing is you would probably still believe him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 I agree that Cortese working to make us successful is a good thing (albeit with the reservations that many have which have been discussed at length.) Equally though I'm not going to pretend that the club will be destroyed should Cortese not be involved any more. I mean Cortese isn't the only person who could acheive results with saints. Financially and in terms of potential we are probably the most attractive club in the football league (and possibly the Premiership) certainly in terms of value for money. It is quite possible that if the club is sold we could find us in an equally strong (or maybe even stronger!) position. Having said that, my gut feeling is that the best thing for the club is for Cortese to remain and maybe learn a little humility. You really are like a little Terrier with a rat in it's mouth. For a start, the 'many' you quote, are the same old few posters on here, that seem to have a love/hate affair with our club, and feel obliged to take issue with every un-substansiated rumour, that appears in the media, using it as a stick to beat NC with. You gleefully give us the extent of your wink wink 'insider' knowledge, but the simple fact is, as an investment, buying this club was a sure thing, to realise a decent profit, NOW is not the time to sell, if and when we get back to the premiership is. Lastly, who the hell are you, to demand that NC learns some humility, you really are well up you own rear end fella!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Well, recent posts by forum member 'Matthew Le Tissier,' not the man himself indicate an extremely low opinion of the man, not just his decisions. I've had the pleasure of meeting this forum member once, he seems a sound chap and for him to express such explicitly negative things shocks me. Besides, the flippant nature of my remark should surely have indicated that the 'decisions' element was the clincher.... people who are critical of the mans business decisions would surely be livid if he gained full and independant control of the club. I suppose it depends in your faith in the man and his propensity to learn and change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Btw - absolutely spot on. Prepare yourself for the tubthumpers to get upset about your post though! One thing we all should have learnt over last 12 months is that journalists have not got a clue what is going on in our club. You won't go far wrong if you write off every rumour about saints in papers, internet and silent as made up. You would have probably been correct 99% So true. Like Minty, I am open to the possibility to the fact the club may be for sale soon. A 5% possibility. It's clear that there are those deeply opposed to Cortese (or anyone who supports him). Ex-players and managers, a few fans who used to be closer to the club. This Journo obviously doesn't like Cortese (read the article linked above). Doesn't mean the story isn't true, just means he would have less reason to hold back if it isn't. His post actually contains less info than the cluster**** nothing story that was in the daily mail a while back. Or the ******** rumour about the ex-saints mayflower night (which the ex-saints distanced themselves from), about the players and management being banned from said event (which was ********). Published in the, er daily mail. Or the ******** rumour that Cortese had sold AOC to 10 different clubs in the.. oh But just wait for the familiar voices to say that anybody who disbelieves such things are naive freaks who don't know what an utter bastard Nicola Cortese (sorry - CLOTESE LOLZORZ!111 AMIRITE) is, with his ambitions and perk stopping and such. And then deny there is any continued campaign against the Chairman, whilst claiming that anybody who doesn’t agree isn't 'mature' enough to be able to stand fair criticism of the club (just a thought, there is a big difference between devils advocate, based on established and sourced facts, and being serial contrarian against the club, picking up on every unsubstantiated bit of mudslinging against the club and running with it as proof). After all, such luminaries have in the past been in contact with the hotbed of football info, the Bournemouth physio. Whilst others have seen fit to assure us mere mortals by that they have saved the club, by being part of the organisation of saints fans that Wilde has proxied his shares to (which turned out to conditional unless he disagreed with said fans) which meant he was a cool rich trustworthy guy. That alone makes them the only people to listen to. One thing I would say Manji, is that everyone has an agenda. Just some are easier to spot than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 You really are like a little Terrier with a rat in it's mouth. For a start, the 'many' you quote, are the same old few posters on here, that seem to have a love/hate affair with our club, and feel obliged to take issue with every un-substansiated rumour, that appears in the media, using it as a stick to beat NC with. You gleefully give us the extent of your wink wink 'insider' knowledge, but the simple fact is, as an investment, buying this club was a sure thing, to realise a decent profit, NOW is not the time to sell, if and when we get back to the premiership is. Lastly, who the hell are you, to demand that NC learns some humility, you really are well up you own rear end fella!. Seriously can you not just debate an issue and respoect someone elses opinion without going over the same old stuff and getting insulting again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 So true. Like Minty, I am open to the possibility to the fact the club may be for sale soon. A 5% possibility. It's clear that there are those deeply opposed to Cortese (or anyone who supports him). Ex-players and managers, a few fans who used to be closer to the club. This Journo obviously doesn't like Cortese (read the article linked above). Doesn't mean the story isn't true, just means he would have less reason to hold back if it isn't. His post actually contains less info than the cluster**** nothing story that was in the daily mail a while back. Or the ******** rumour about the ex-saints mayflower night (which the ex-saints distanced themselves from), about the players and management being banned from said event (which was ********). Published in the, er daily mail. Or the ******** rumour that Cortese had sold AOC to 10 different clubs in the.. oh But just wait for the familiar voices to say that anybody who disbelieves such things are naive freaks who don't know what an utter bastard Nicola Cortese (sorry - CLOTESE LOLZORZ!111 AMIRITE) is, with his ambitions and perk stopping and such. And then deny there is any continued campaign against the Chairman, whilst claiming that anybody who doesn’t agree isn't 'mature' enough to be able to stand fair criticism of the club (just a thought, there is a big difference between devils advocate, based on established and sourced facts, and being serial contrarian against the club, picking up on every unsubstantiated bit of mudslinging against the club and running with it as proof). After all, such luminaries have in the past been in contact with the hotbed of football info, the Bournemouth physio. Whilst others have seen fit to assure us mere mortals by that they have saved the club, by being part of the organisation of saints fans that Wilde has proxied his shares to (which turned out to conditional unless he disagreed with said fans) which meant he was a cool rich trustworthy guy. That alone makes them the only people to listen to. One thing I would say Manji, is that everyone has an agenda. Just some are easier to spot than others. You pretty much summed it up there, far better than I did anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Lets assume for a moment that there's some truth in this. So what? So what if the Liebherrs sell? If they sell, they will sell for a lot more than the 13 million they paid out, which means whomever comes in will not be short of a bob or two. And if the Liebherrs really do want out, then its because they have lost interest, and if that's the case, its hard to imagine they would throw much more money into the venture anyway. So, really, I'm not too bothered if this story is true or not. And nor should any of us be. Infrastructure is in place now to keep the club on a level footing - that will remain in place no matter who owns the football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Lets assume for a moment that there's some truth in this. So what? So what if the Liebherrs sell? If they sell, they will sell for a lot more than the 13 million they paid out, which means whomever comes in will not be short of a bob or two. And if the Liebherrs really do want out, then its because they have lost interest, and if that's the case, its hard to imagine they would throw much more money into the venture anyway. So, really, I'm not too bothered if this story is true or not. And nor should any of us be. Infrastructure is in place now to keep the club on a level footing - that will remain in place no matter who owns the football club. That's pretty much exactly as I see it. Making the club debt free was the greatest gift that Markus gave us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 The simple answer is to go here and ask: http://www.ibaseuk.com/12.html This man knows all the clubs that are for sale - full credibility assured - you'll get all the answers you need right there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 The simple answer is to go here and ask: http://www.ibaseuk.com/12.html This man knows all the clubs that are for sale - full credibility assured - you'll get all the answers you need right there.... Lol. Best post on this thread. Don't think I'll comment further because I can't really follow that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 It's probably b*ll*cks, usually is when there is no source named. It's hardly surprising that the press don't think twice about printing made up stuff about Saints though after they tried to ban their photographers, pointless moaning about it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albie79 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Notice the reporter (an old school bud of mine) says his source is someone "close to the club" not someone from the club. For all we know the club are feeding bull info to people to see if they blab to the press? Or the source is simply stiring up crap as everyone "close to the club" seem to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 This guy Meldrum is actually a Saints fan; he wrote a long article in the Bournemouth Echo just after we beat them 2-0 in the League at SMS and didn't let photographers in, talking about how he used to stand on the terraces at The Dell as a Saints fan and support MLT, Shearer etc., but that under Cortese we had lost our soul. It was actually an article that did resonate with me to a degree. No idea whether it's mischievous garbage, one could easily imagine Mitchell would have encouraged it. I think the appropriate word should be 'was' a Saints fan...taking his 'thrills in Bompey has accelerated his dementia it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Notice the reporter (an old school bud of mine) says his source is someone "close to the club" not someone from the club. For all we know the club are feeding bull info to people to see if they blab to the press? Or the source is simply stiring up crap as everyone "close to the club" seem to do. And he states 'I don't stir'. Isn't that exactly what he is doing? In his article you can see where his loyalties lie, with his media mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Maybe it is worth re-posting some of these articles so people get an understanding of why some don't believe it. Or think those defending it are a bit loco. Feb 7th (not even a month ago...) BBC report takeover rumours are rubbish http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9390098.stm BBC interview with Cortese just before xmas by Dan Roan. One of the few who you can probably trust with Saints news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/football/teams/s/southampton/9269293.stm But to use some quotes from it "The club is not for sale. There's always been a group behind the scenes with an agenda that's not good" "This is a deliberate attempt to damage the club at this time because we're in negotiations with players and a very important [potential sponsorship] brand." - Trying to unsettle players and potential partners? "just to underline, the commitment of the family is 100%" "A few weeks after he died I was struggling with motivation, but it's not just about Markus now, it's for the people of Southampton and the legacy of Markus, I owe it to him. I'm driving his vision on." "We're at the very beginning. I don't run away from things because something better comes along. We're really hoping to build something that will be massively successful in the future" "I can't see a possibility we would sell Adam in January," said Cortese, "and Alex is not going to go anywhere" - Did those guys leave in january in the end? But hey if some would rather believe some guy from Bompey on twitter and his un-named source go ahead, just don't get arsey when people call you out for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Lets assume for a moment that there's some truth in this. So what? So what if the Liebherrs sell? If they sell, they will sell for a lot more than the 13 million they paid out, which means whomever comes in will not be short of a bob or two. And if the Liebherrs really do want out, then its because they have lost interest, and if that's the case, its hard to imagine they would throw much more money into the venture anyway. So, really, I'm not too bothered if this story is true or not. And nor should any of us be. Infrastructure is in place now to keep the club on a level footing - that will remain in place no matter who owns the football club. "So what" is that at the moment, for all the flaws, we seem to be in a pretty decent situation. Probably backed by some decent amount of money with the possibility of a lot more, and not having to short change fans on the pitch. And there's no firm evidence of any lack of family support, only a few rumours. If they sell, there are hundreds of shysters, dodgy businessmen, people with their own agenda, property developers who only want the ground, people who can afford the going concern but not the ongoing investment etc. who could be interested and wouldn't have the stated goal of getting the club back to the Premier League. Last time round I'd have taken anyone with enough to get us out of admin and remain in business. We got VERY lucky, and it would be difficult to find a better buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 But hey if some would rather believe some guy from Bompey on twitter and his un-named source go ahead, just don't get arsey when people call you out for it! I think it's only fair to point out that no one directly 'believes' him... no one thinks it will definitely happen, but are just willing to discuss the fact it was said, and the motives for it. There are some good posts above about who might be feeding the info, and why. If anything, the thread should help focus us on asking why these rumours come out, and try to get to the bottom of it, because if it is being fed by people intent on destabilising the club then it is our interests to work out who and why and put a stop to it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Maybe it is worth re-posting some of these articles so people get an understanding of why some don't believe it. Or think those defending it are a bit loco. Feb 7th (not even a month ago...) BBC report takeover rumours are rubbish http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/9390098.stm BBC interview with Cortese just before xmas by Dan Roan. One of the few who you can probably trust with Saints news. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/mobile/football/teams/s/southampton/9269293.stm But to use some quotes from it "The club is not for sale. There's always been a group behind the scenes with an agenda that's not good" "This is a deliberate attempt to damage the club at this time because we're in negotiations with players and a very important [potential sponsorship] brand." - Trying to unsettle players and potential partners? "just to underline, the commitment of the family is 100%" "A few weeks after he died I was struggling with motivation, but it's not just about Markus now, it's for the people of Southampton and the legacy of Markus, I owe it to him. I'm driving his vision on." "We're at the very beginning. I don't run away from things because something better comes along. We're really hoping to build something that will be massively successful in the future" "I can't see a possibility we would sell Adam in January," said Cortese, "and Alex is not going to go anywhere" - Did those guys leave in january in the end? But hey if some would rather believe some guy from Bompey on twitter and his un-named source go ahead, just don't get arsey when people call you out for it! Again though, it may not be his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 It's probably b*ll*cks, usually is when there is no source named. It's hardly surprising that the press don't think twice about printing made up stuff about Saints though after they tried to ban their photographers, pointless moaning about it now. So because they might have got the hump because the Club banned the press photographers, that gives them license to print garbage, to spread mischievous unfounded rumours designed to destabilise the club in a childish tit-for-tat revenge, does it? And what is the result when the rumours are rubbished by the Club? The press are made to look stupid, thus decreasing their readership by normal intelligent people who feel no desire to spend their money on a gutter press publication. So do you reckon that because of this situation there is any justification in them fabricating stories, or do you hold that the press have a duty to only publish stories that are news, i.e, factual? Because it seems to me that your post excuses them if it is found to the b*ll*cks that you assume it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 This has been rumbling for ages. Duncan has actually been talking about it since the summer. Of course everyone will dismiss it but... Does that everyone include Nicola Cortese, who has dismissed a number of times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Can't be bothered to read what everyone else has written so apologies if someone else has already said this. Why are we so bothered about a Bournemouth reporter getting a hot insight into the future? we (having been around the club for years and many in number) can't get the merest sniff of any leak out of the club - so pardon me whilst I wait a while and see what actually happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Post #100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 The one thing we do know, no information comes out of the club, ever. A sale of the club wouldn't happen within the club so no information would be available. It is highly unlikely there is information available to people that would talk to a reporter. It might be happening, but the first thing that becomes public will be the announcement that the club has been sold. If the Leibherr family have allowed Cortese to arrange the ownership change, fair enough. I can't see the Leibherr family selling out over his head. Either way it would happen in Switzerland under conditions of the utmost secrecy. A hack with a third rate small town paper wouldn't get a smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 February, 2011 Share Posted 22 February, 2011 Again though, it may not be his decision. Very true. But as i mentioned before how likely is it that one of the most secretive bussinessman would tell someone who would leak this news? As someone else pointed out above how many leaks/rumours have actually turned out to be true? You can probably count them on one hand. The fact that some random journo from Bompey would know about it is next to zero. Like/Hate Cortese the one thing you can deffinatly say that is true about the guy is that he does not talk much, it appears he only confides in a close circle of people to him. I doubt any of those people would go against him. One day the club will be sold. But if the family were 100% behind the club only 60 odd days ago why would they change their mind? Again very unlikely. So as Minty points now it is a question of "who" these people are and why are they doing it? Why do they seem determined to unsettle the club? What do they have to gain from it? It is time these so called sources revealed themselves. And if they do i am willing to bet anything they turn out to be ****ed off ex-employees of the club who are bitter that they no longer get stuff for nothing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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