SuperMikey Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12517327 Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Blair's friend. What do you expect? And yes - still shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12517327 Shocking. What do you expect Gaddafi is a nut job.I worked with a bloke once who was kicked out of Libya when Gadddafi came to power. Got 24 hours to leave the country and leave everything behind, house,car,bank account everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 at least we had the kindness to pander to that lot and release a convicted terrorist to die at home...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The worst aspect of this is the use of foreign mercenaries to carry out the massacres. It is an idea - if that's the word - borne of a cynicism I hadn't thought possible. i've never heard of foreign mercenaries being hired simply to shoot unarmed citizens. The only hope is that behind this tactic is a desperation that could lead to that buffoon's downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 at least we had the kindness to pander to that lot and release a convicted terrorist to die at home...... The yanks should have nuked them when they had a reason back in the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 at least we had the kindness to pander to that lot and release a convicted terrorist to die at home...... For the sake of accuracy - 'we' didn't. The Scots did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The yanks should have nuked them when they had a reason back in the 80s. im sure the terrorist is dead now..I mean, 3 months he had to live right..? after all, its all live and let live.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The yanks should have nuked them when they had a reason back in the 80s. Ah yes, the protesters would have welcomed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 20 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2011 I know it's Gaddaffi, but with the world's media watching you wouldn't think he'd order something like that. It's horriffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 I know it's Gaddaffi, but with the world's media watching you wouldn't think he'd order something like that. It's horriffic. it is to us...these people were not elected to power, they dont just move along when a small number of people say so...that is their way of life....... shall we sort him out..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 I know it's Gaddaffi, but with the world's media watching you wouldn't think he'd order something like that. It's horriffic. It's Gaddafi, it's just what you'd expect him to do.He doesn't give a toss about what the world thinks, he's a megalomaniac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 it is to us...these people were not elected to power, they dont just move along when a small number of people say so...that is their way of life....... shall we sort him out..? If there's oil there then the Yanks may be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 At least we won't be facing any claims for refunds/replacements on the weapons used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Blair's friend. What do you expect? And yes - still shocking. It's hardly just Blair who has been up and chummy with him. Pretty much most of the western world for decades has been guilty of effectively supporting these tyrant leaders in the Middle East. But yes, shocking, but hardly surprising stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It's hardly just Blair who has been up and chummy with him. Pretty much most of the western world for decades has been guilty of effectively supporting these tyrant leaders in the Middle East. But yes, shocking, but hardly surprising stuff. I was hinting at the deal Blair evidently massaged between Libya and BP, which somehow, by accident, not in any way related, happened to coincide with the release of al Megrahi. Should have made that clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 I was hinting at the deal Blair evidently massaged between Libya and BP, which somehow, by accident, not in any way related, happened to coincide with the release of al Megrahi. Should have made that clear. No, I got that reference! I just think that others were just as bad as Blair. Everyone was quite happy for these dictators to remain in power if that meant stability and good relations could be maintained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 No, I got that reference! I just think that others were just as bad as Blair. Everyone was quite happy for these dictators to remain in power if that meant stability and good relations could be maintained. Well some still do. The loopy right in the US, through its mouthpiece, Fox News, has been complaining long and hard about the protesters in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Yemen. They have campaigned loudly for a crackdown, and have launched some pretty vicious tirades against Obama for even the most half-hearted words of support offered to the people on the streets in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Well some still do. The loopy right in the US, through its mouthpiece, Fox News, has been complaining long and hard about the protesters in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Yemen. They have campaigned loudly for a crackdown, and have launched some pretty vicious tirades against Obama for even the most half-hearted words of support offered to the people on the streets in the Middle East. The US and that are in a difficult place though. Being seen to actively support the protests could hinder their progress. And don't even get me started on Fox News. Glenn Beck is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Don't blame Gadaffi, he is a very nice person going out with a bit of flair and passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Anyone who interferes with Gadaffo, including this country or the US, is a mug. He's a nutter. It's sad what's happening over there, but who is going to get involved, honestly? The bloke is a complete loon, it's like a random prisoner trying to stop Charles Bronson beating the sh!t out of someone, it's madness, as wrong as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 You just have to look at where restraint got the Presidents of Tunisia and Egypt. I think we'll see more action taken against protestors from now on as we've seen in Bahrain and Libya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It looks like the protests have spread to Tripoli (with some of the military switching sides)......could the tide be turning? If Libya and Bahrain fall, who's next? After Tunisia, one 'pundit' said that it would be a domino effect and it looks like that is coming to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 If Libya and Bahrain fall, who's next? It's not just an arab problem, it's more global than that because the planet isn't big enough to sustain the amount of people on it in luxury. Ugandan opposition have called for protests but with the millitary on the streets it's not known whether they'll risk it because the Uganda millitary will shoot to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 It is amazing how the revolutions have caught on. It's just a matter of time before Gadafi gets overthrown, the more he kills the bigger and more determined the people will be. Kicking off in Iran as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Kicking off in Iran as well. What a shame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Which would you prefer; dictators friendly to the west or democratically elected Islamic fundamentalist republics? I know those arent the only two options, or even the most likely, but interesting - altruist right thing to do V self interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Which would you prefer; dictators friendly to the west or democratically elected Islamic fundamentalist republics? I know those arent the only two options, or even the most likely, but interesting - altruist right thing to do V self interest. The Greater Arab People's Republic, stretching from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean, an Islamic Super State. Could happen. It could also cause a lot more problems in UK than not getting fresh flowers in the shops Equally after all the years of Labour & now the cut backs, could happen in UK & EU. Capitalism & Communism are great systems if you are in them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 (edited) The Greater Arab People's Republic, stretching from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean, an Islamic Super State. Could happen. It could also cause a lot more problems in UK than not getting fresh flowers in the shops Equally after all the years of Labour & now the cut backs, could happen in UK & EU. Capitalism & Communism are great systems if you are in them Any rumblings in the other emirates Phil? (besides Bahrain that is. I guess Bahrain is an emirate?) Edited 20 February, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The worst aspect of this is the use of foreign mercenaries to carry out the massacres. It is an idea - if that's the word - borne of a cynicism I hadn't thought possible. i've never heard of foreign mercenaries being hired simply to shoot unarmed citizens. The only hope is that behind this tactic is a desperation that could lead to that buffoon's downfall. And with reports this evening that some Military Units are refusing to carry out orders to shoot civilians or even some defections, that could have been the catalyst to mark his downfall. Still, the global Liquidity Crisis should end now.... All that stolen wealth (Jewels & cash they found in the Palace in Tunisia, Mubarak's billions and the rest... The real one to watch will be Iran, now if THEY can kick out the loonies the world may really change for the good, BUT if the loonies stay in power and can pull the strings in the Maghreb then the word will be oh sh1t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Which would you prefer; dictators friendly to the west or democratically elected Islamic fundamentalist republics? I know those arent the only two options, or even the most likely, but interesting - altruist right thing to do V self interest. The CIA already tried the latter by overthrowing a democratic regime in Iran - and laid the ground for Ayatollah Khomeini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The CIA already tried the latter by overthrowing a democratic regime in Iran - and laid the ground for Ayatollah Khomeini. Im not suggesting the West should interfere, far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Any rumblings in the other emirates Phil? (besides Bahrain that is. I guess Bahrain is an emirate?) UAE - no way. The Emiratis love their rulers. Bahrain was an exception because of the Religious divisions. Kuwait has been experimenting with elected councils for a while but they have one of the highest per capita incomes in the world why would they want to change completely. Oman, well they have to sort something out as the Sultan has no heir so the Monarchy/Sultanate will fall without a Crown prince. Will they go for a democracy? Hell they sleep all day. Here? they don't have the divisions, the "Monarchy" tries to be benevolent and really unlikely. The Ex pat Asian labourers could kick up a stink but they'd just bundle them on planes home. Saudi? Hmm - be worried. The country does have religious & tribal splits. The Industry & Trade is in the West but ALL the oil is in the East and that is where they have a demographic issue, not to mention the Al Qaeda supporters & the nutters on the borders with Yemen. However they control half the worlds oil. They have a problem, their Security Machine is already oppressive and ain't nobody in the Western Governments gonna want another 3 day week and power cuts for the rest of your winter. BUT it COULD kick off there and then the world COULD go to rat sh1t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Im not suggesting the West should interfere, far from it. Well it already has of course, since most of the weapons used against protesters seem to have originated in the 'entrepreneurial' mind of some wonderkind in BAe. And the West has been heavily implicated in reinforcing the very corrupt regimes that are now crumbling. I think the question is how much the modify their interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 For the Conspiracy Theorists About a year ago there was unrest in Iran driven by Twitter & FB. Many arrests and executions. One man protests in Tunisia by setting himself alight and most ME Governments are under threat or have had revolutions. Who were the Tweeters & FB group creators? A Greater Arab Islamic Republic really SHOULD be causing you lot sleepless nights, a new Superpower technically with Pakistan included holding Nukes. Not saying that the Iranians pulled all the strings BUT it is the reason that the West HAVE to tread carefully in their responses. Egypt will be the one to watch, the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood in the new constitution will be critical. Interesting that in Bahrain there appears to have been an internal Family struggle for power with the Uncle (PM) calling the crack down & now the King & Crown Prince opening dialogue, That one was always different from North Africa & The Levant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Saudi is potential powder keg imo. Religious tensions, an absolute monarchy, presumably a lot of women who are disaffected and a shed load of oil - meaning potentially the US could intervene to 'stabilise' the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 The army are defecting apparently. If that is true, then Gadaffi is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 For the sake of accuracy - 'we' didn't. The Scots did. For the sake of greater accuracy, 'we' (meaning the elected Govt of the day) wanted the Scots to do it all along, but didn't want to be accountable. The Scots were simply pawns in a bigger game - either pressured or tricked via reverse psychology to make the ruling they did. Devolution is great, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 For the Conspiracy Theorists tbh, the whole wave of nascent revolutions in the Middle East and North Africa smack tremendously of the sort of state-changing antics Western intelligence services got up to in the days of the Cold War and beyond. If these states do undergo internal change, some of the deals that their leaders have struck with China may now be up for grabs. Sorry to get all classical on a Footy Forum, but Qui Bono? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 And er, just in case anyone mistakes my meaning here, the actions of the Libyan government are utterly deplorable, with or without Western interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Gaddafi Jnr currently painting a portentous picture of Dystopia on state tv. Lack of investment, western intervention to protect oil, internal borders (citing N and S Korea), families torn apart, more martyrs etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 Gaddafi Jnr currently painting a portentous picture of Dystopia on state tv. Lack of investment, western intervention to protect oil, internal borders (citing N and S Korea), families torn apart, more martyrs etc... Just watched it. Unbelievable. Never seen anything like it. They know the tide is turning and that was the sign of pure desperation. If this escalates much further, then there will bloodshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 20 February, 2011 Share Posted 20 February, 2011 If this situation were not so serious, that speech would have been comical. I mean really, 'Illegal Immigrants, Prison Escapees, Drug Addicts, Drunks driving tanks'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 If this situation were not so serious, that speech would have been comical. I mean really, 'Illegal Immigrants, Prison Escapees, Drug Addicts, Drunks driving tanks'... Agreed. The worrying thing is that this "desperation" shown by mad men will lead to a lot of people being killed (unless the military switches sides, as some units have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 at least we had the kindness to pander to that lot and release a convicted terrorist to die at home...... Rather odd that the main informant in that case later received a very large sum of money from the CIA. Also the two forensic "experts" were shown to be incompetent on previous cases they had worked on in Northern Ireland (where there was also pressure to secure a conviction). There was also an interesting study done by "World in Action" about the shooting of Yvonne Fletcher. Employing ballistics experts, they showed that the shots could not have come from the Embassy but from a nearby office block. It appears that the floor in question had been rented by some mysterious Americans who rapidly disappeared after the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Saudi is potential powder keg imo. Religious tensions, an absolute monarchy, presumably a lot of women who are disaffected and a shed load of oil - meaning potentially the US could intervene to 'stabilise' the situation. One of the most barbarous regimes in the Middle East. But of course they've got lots of oil and buy lots of weapons from us so they must be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 One of the most barbarous regimes in the Middle East. But of course they've got lots of oil and buy lots of weapons from us so they must be OK. Yep. Live and let live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 One of the most barbarous regimes in the Middle East. But of course they've got lots of oil and buy lots of weapons from us so they must be OK. Who said they were okay? We can't go around the world invading every country with questionable leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 21 February, 2011 Share Posted 21 February, 2011 Did anyone else notice / read this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12522848 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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