Jonnyboy Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I don't think we do have many people "jumping on Lawrie from a great height". We have a lot of people saying they are bored witless with this whole thing and wishing he would just wind his neck in for a bit. Presumably he is paid to write for he Echo. Is he supposed to quit his job now?
St Marco Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Massive respect for LM. Would of loved to have been there when he was in charge to see us rampaging up the tables but was only 5! Plastic fan and all that! But there is a clear pattern here. LM speaks to the media, they add in a bit of spice, it get's turned into something else. He should know how it works by now. Time it was kept behind closed doors now. We should all be pulling in the same direction. I hope LM and the club sort things out even though he says there is no problem. It would be great to see some of the legends at the games all united with the current players and fans like what happened at the Man Utd game. It can only bring a positive effect. We should all be on the same bus!
Fan The Flames Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Whats your problem ffs? I am bored of the pettyness by all parties involved. I don't buy the echo because it is sh*t and if I saw this artcile I would turn the page. I would resort to calling you names and acting like a kid, but I am past the age of afternoon naps, so I wont. Mate can't you see it, you moan about LM unhelpfully 'running to the press' at the drop of a hat, but then just do the same by commenting on here without reading the article. Your cop out of saying something is boring is devoid of any substance. So maybe you should practice what you preach and think before you get involved
Daren W Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I don't think we do have many people "jumping on Lawrie from a great height". We have a lot of people saying they are bored witless with this whole thing and wishing he would just wind his neck in for a bit. And the whole point of the article, which I assume you've read, was him commenting how he'd been mis-quoted and wishes Cortese well... I take it Lawrie is not allowed an opinion any more? You are, why shouldn't he??
Guan 2.0 Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 If Lawrie is serious about bilding bridges, this can only be a good thing. However, if Nicola is 'Don' Cortese, Lawrie is most definitely Feech La Manna!
benjii Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Presumably he is paid to write for he Echo. Is he supposed to quit his job now? No, but there are countless things he could write about other than himself and NC. Also, not reading The Echo, I did not know if this is a regular column or not. My reading of the OP was that it was some sort of interview/stand alone article. Either way, most people seem bored with this.
benjii Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 And the whole point of the article, which I assume you've read, was him commenting how he'd been mis-quoted and wishes Cortese well... I take it Lawrie is not allowed an opinion any more? You are, why shouldn't he?? Where have I said he isn't allowed an opinion? He is welcome to air his opinion. I am merely stating that a lot of people are fed up of hearing it.
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 There was a very interesting post on here a moment ago which has disappeared. It did not break the rules so I assume the poster had second thoughts and asked for it's removal. I will not repeat it but it concerned MLT. As the poster is or was a friend of MLT I found the post an eye opener. It shows it is not all Cortese continuing the rift I saw that post, too, and it's gone without a trace as though it was never there in the first place. I know you can edit your own posts but I didn't think - and still don't - that you can make them disappear altogether. Unless I'm wrong, only a mod can do that, so the question is "Why was that post removed?" and "Who by?"
benjii Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I saw that post, too, and it's gone without a trace as though it was never there in the first place. I know you can edit your own posts but I didn't think - and still don't - that you can make them disappear altogether. Unless I'm wrong, only a mod can do that, so the question is "Why was that post removed?" and "Who by?" Yeah, it's just so ****ing intriguing. Call Interpol so we can get to the bottom of this oh-so-important matter.
Jonnyboy Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 No, but there are countless things he could write about other than himself and NC. Also, not reading The Echo, I did not know if this is a regular column or not. My reading of the OP was that it was some sort of interview/stand alone article. Either way, most people seem bored with this. It is a regular column and he was talking about the weekends 125th celebrations - rather topical wouldnt you say?
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Yeah, it's just so ****ing intriguing. Call Interpol so we can get to the bottom of this oh-so-important matter. You don't think that's a little troubling?
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 You don't think that's a little troubling? troubling really, does it fuking matter..?
benjii Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 It is a regular column and he was talking about the weekends 125th celebrations - rather topical wouldnt you say? Yes, I would say so. I think I was thrown by the OP: In his Echo article today he refers to things said on forums by people who hide behind their anonymity. He also talks about the fall out with NC last summer and explains how he has no wish to destabilise. He also said that the club contacted BBC last Monday to ensure they reported that last weekends celebrations and his award was nothing to do with the club. There is a lot in the article and while it is one man's opinions it is worth a read because he pulls few punches.
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 troubling really, does it fuking matter..? Yes, I think it fuking does matter on a couple of levels. 1) Making posts disappear within seconds even when they don't seem to infringe the rules is rather scary, don't you think? You'd go ballistic if it was one of yours. 2) The post stated that Cortese had tried to sort things out with MLT but "was told to F.O.". Don't you think that's important information - especially for the people who keep p*ssing at Cortese? If you're bored with the topic find another thread.
Jonnyboy Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Yes, I would say so. I think I was thrown by the OP: In his Echo article today he refers to things said on forums by people who hide behind their anonymity. He also talks about the fall out with NC last summer and explains how he has no wish to destabilise. He also said that the club contacted BBC last Monday to ensure they reported that last weekends celebrations and his award was nothing to do with the club. There is a lot in the article and while it is one man's opinions it is worth a read because he pulls few punches. yes that is misleading, and you are right, the whole thing is getting boring and childish. someone should lock them all in a room together til its all sorted.
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 someone should lock them all in a room together til its all sorted. Sadly, the only person capable of doing that died last year.
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Yes, I think it fuking does matter on a couple of levels. 1) Making posts disappear within seconds even when they don't seem to infringe the rules is rather scary, don't you think? You'd go ballistic if it was one of yours. 2) The post stated that Cortese had tried to sort things out with MLT but "was told to F.O.". Don't you think that's important information - especially for the people who keep p*ssing at Cortese? If you're bored with the topic find another thread. even if MLT told nico to Fuk off..would that have ANY effect on the likes of romseysaint, hype and docker-p etc...would that make them see the bigger picture..? absolutely NOT all this CRAP is so boring and I would have thought that saints fans in general would have had enough of mud slinging...maybe, some cant let go.. then again, its really just a handful that harp on about NC and how he is the devil and if you dare question him you are some sort of traitor.. they tend to be EX old boys/ITK types...... funny that
simo Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Ok having re-read the article maybe I was harsh with the fo comment but enough is enough time to nip this in the bud and like someone else has said get everyone on the same bus ! We will be stronger as a club for it ! This is no good for anyone and only snow balls as time goes on and I'm including Mlt (my hero) and Franny in this too .
Weston Saint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 You don't think that's a little troubling?Bill the poster is good friends with MLT or at least was so some while ago. His post was critical of MLT. He might well have had second thoughts and asked for it's removal. I did that once when I made a comment about Wilde but after Wilde contacted me to indicate it breached his privacy I asked for it to be removed and it was, beyond trace. Same here I would think
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Bill the poster is good friends with MLT or at least was so some while ago. His post was critical of MLT. He might well have had second thoughts and asked for it's removal. I did that once when I made a comment about Wilde but after Wilde contacted me to indicate it breached his privacy I asked for it to be removed and it was, beyond trace. Same here I would think Thanks, Ron, good to know. That info certainly seems to suggest that the ill-feeling remains because MLT, rather than Cortese, is happy with things that way. But that post was gone in seconds!
littleoldladysaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Thanks, Ron, good to know. That info certainly seems to suggest that the ill-feeling remains because MLT, rather than Cortese, is happy with things that way. But that post was gone in seconds! I think you'll find it on the 'Libellous Claim' thread.
CanadaSaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I think you'll find it on the 'Libellous Claim' thread. Thank you.
Deppo Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 IMO, you don't build bridges by making pleas in the press. All you are doing there is trying to get public sympathy.
Weston Saint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I think you'll find it on the 'Libellous Claim' thread.So it is. Thanks
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 So it is. Thanks Think there were a few of us having a senior moment! ;-)
littleoldladysaint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 (edited) I doubt that you're more 'senior' than me! Edited 19 February, 2011 by littleoldladysaint can't do the sad icon!
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I think it's possible to respect and appreciate what someone has done for the club without suggesting you cannot question the things they say. Agree with this. LM and MLT are titans in our club history, but they've made some bad calls and stupid comments in recent times.
dubai_phil Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 OK so I've googled and searched and cannot find the article. But the context that FF & Ron have given by their comments makes me stop and think. Lawrie made a comment to the Echo questioning the sacking of AP. But, for the life of me I cannot find any other actual named links "showing him positioned on the Dark Side". I would welcome any better Googlers who can find something. So, judging by the "reported tone" it seems LM annoyed NC by sticking his oar in to the AP debate. But, and from what I can see it is a BIG But, he doesn't have appeared to have sided with the MLT side in this or even with the Dark Side. I can't find any snipes per se. I can find some he wouldn't have done things that way type comments but I think that we may be getting a bit simplistic here. My reading of the comments from FF & Ron are of someone who has suddenly realised he is being tarred (by association) with the wrong side in what appears to be an ongoing argument (see libellous claims thread) and has made h is position clear. In that case fair enough. I think I would personally try and kill NC if I was ever with him for more than 5 minutes in a meeting, but he wants what I want - success for my club so I cut him some slack as long as he delivers. Football is about WINNING, you get nothing for being nice. So I think we need to stop lumping MLT & LM together as being the Leaders in our "anti NC" brigade. I think LM has a different angle. However I reserve the right to change my assumptions IF the Echo post the interview/article in full or I get back and read it
Gemmel Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 , but they've made some bad calls and stupid comments in recent times. That reminds me of someone but i just cant think who.....any ideas alpine
dune Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 I was disgusted by the official club comments about the un-official 125 year events. Clotese will at some point lose a large swathe of the fan base the way he is carrying on.
Fan The Flames Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Fwiw my comment is not purely based on the article (which I have read) but the petty *****ing of the last few months ! I think it shows a lack of class you don't see Charlton talking about the Glasiers even though he's not happy about the debt the club has incurred since them taking over he just keeps quiet and supports the team ! How do you know these thoughts of Charlton, read them in the press or has he told you personally.
Fan The Flames Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Funny how those going on about how bored they are, which is generally the last argument when all else has failed, are those same people that pop up on all the NC/LM threads.
Thedelldays Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Funny how those going on about how bored they are, which is generally the last argument when all else has failed, are those same people that pop up on all the NC/LM threads. it's really funny isnt it
The Majestic Channon Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Funny how those going on about how bored they are, which is generally the last argument when all else has failed, are those same people that pop up on all the NC/LM threads. very true, for 'bored' read.... i don't like what is being said.
FloridaMarlin Posted 19 February, 2011 Posted 19 February, 2011 Hiding behind the anonimity of an internet forum is on a par with planting mischievous stories in the press via your last remaining contact in the national media.
manji Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Hiding behind the anonimity of an internet forum is on a par with planting mischievous stories in the press via your last remaining contact in the national media. Ironic isnt it ? Lawrie is able to spout off in the press and various after dinner speaking engagements (and get well paid for it) yet he doesnt like fans commenting on message boards.....................
GenevaSaint Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 I was disgusted by the official club comments about the un-official 125 year events. Clotese will at some point lose a large swathe of the fan base the way he is carrying on. Not if we carry on winning Dune, most fans couldn't careless, all they want is success on the pitch.
Gingeletiss Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 I was disgusted by the official club comments about the un-official 125 year events. Clotese will at some point lose a large swathe of the fan base the way he is carrying on. You post this, in an all knowing fashion, yet this forum is not representive of the fanbase at large. I admired most of your postings, but you Dune, like a small minority on here, has an agenda against the club, and NC in particular.
Fan The Flames Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 it's really funny isnt it My point exactly, within a minute The Dell D!ck appears. So bored with it he his constantly cruising the thread with little patronising replies trying to close down the debate.
Graffito Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Exactly. The Subtitle of the Article is "LM wishes NC well" He than goes on to say they should have a cup of tea together. He could have said cappuccino.
hypochondriac Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 My point exactly, within a minute The Dell D!ck appears. So bored with it he his constantly cruising the thread with little patronising replies trying to close down the debate. Yep. He is such a hypocrite it's actually rather amusing.
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Yep. He is such a hypocrite it's actually rather amusing. says he who logs on to update us all of his big date on a sat night.. must be a great laugh
hypochondriac Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 says he who logs on to update us all of his big date on a sat night.. must be a great laugh Yes on the forum which is for banter and light hearted chat. What has that got to do with anything on the main board? It went well anyway thanks for asking.
JustMike Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 I met with Lawrie on Thursday and spoke to him about the club and his relationship with it. He said that he wishes that NC would stop thinking that people are out to get him. I did point out that maybe things have come out from ex players / staff that make NC feel like this, of which he replied dont always believe what you read in the press but on reflection would have done things differently (didnt expand on this). Seemed to me that he just wants to get on with NC and watch us climb the leagues.
um pahars Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Hiding behind the anonimity of an internet forum is on a par with planting mischievous stories in the press via your last remaining contact in the national media. Did you read his Echo piece where he mentioned not believing everything your read in the press on this issue? If so, then I think you might want to reconsider the "planting" claim. (Of course could have been misquoted in his Echo article, though not likely, IMHO).
Deppo Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Sadly, the only person capable of doing that died last year. Dancehall crooner and pioneer of the 'loverock' subgenre of reggae music, Gregory Isaacs?
Deppo Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Funny how those going on about how bored they are, which is generally the last argument when all else has failed, are those same people that pop up on all the NC/LM threads. Agreed. it's really funny isnt it My point exactly, within a minute The Dell D!ck appears. So bored with it he his constantly cruising the thread with little patronising replies trying to close down the debate. Oh no, wait.. that's the last argument when all else has failed: nasty, personal insults. My mistake.
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Its a real shame that the club as a whole can not just get on, nothing is ever easy at Saints is it ?? As much as my love for L Mac and MLT will be there always i feel that they have made a grave mistake airing all of this dirty laundry in public, it has tainted their legend IMO. There may well be problems with Cortese, he may well be a class A c*nt. But he has never acted this way towards them in public, nor resorted to repeated personal attacks in the public eye. The legends have, which is quite sad really. Is there any wonder that they have been made to feel unwelcome when they so easily resort to name calling and the spreading of rumour ?? As much as the legends are our history and should always be remembered for that, we have a future in Cortese now and one we nearly did not have a short few years ago.
um pahars Posted 20 February, 2011 Posted 20 February, 2011 Not if we carry on winning Dune, most fans couldn't careless, all they want is success on the pitch. Nothing personal Geneva (as I was going to raise a similar point with DellDays and a couple of others), but is success on the pitch the only thing that matters to you??? If so, would you be willing to pay any price for that success??? Being totally hypothetical, would you accept £40 for matchday tickets? £50? £60? Would you accept Steve Grant being banned from St Mary's if the powers that be thought his criticisms were unwarranted? Would you accept this forum being shut down if the Club felt it was a hindrance to success? What about banning all media sources (radio, TV, papers etc) and only allowing supporters to pick up stuff about the Club from the Official Site? What about withdrawing all co-operation for any event outside the confines of the Club if they felt it hindered success(i.e. no other charitable work, engagement with the local community)? I'm sure I could list loads more, but hopefully you get my drift. Is success on the pitch really everything, or do we also want "something else" alongside it (ethics, fairness, history, a community spirit, togetherness)??? In which case, is it not a personal decision as to what level of success we would accept balanced against these "other issues"??? Or is everything up for scarifice on the altar of success???
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