trousers Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 http://wildlifenews.co.uk/2011/was-the-weekend-a-turning-point-for-forest-sell-off/ "We should welcome the change of heart over the sell off as a sign of a government that listens and responds. The last Labour government did not. Labour listened to their own special advisers rather than the people" "There was an unlistening arrogance to the last government which is finally being replaced and that has to be good news" "We are into a period that many people have not experienced before or just remember in the far reaches of the memory. It’s a period of consensus politics. A re-establishment of democratic politics. If the government does change policy because of the voice of the people this should not be used as an excuse to proclaim that we have a weak government and one that is in disarray. Instead it should be celebrated as a return to open government that this country has been missing for so long." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Or: this was one of those reckless, stupid decisions which even this reckless, stupid government could see. I think you must have missed the bit early in the story when nice, Tory local residents near a forest to be sold off were described by their Tory MP as a 'baying mob'. It may be small, but it's the first of many u-turns as the economy rides the wall of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 As said on Radio 4 this morning "Cameron saw middle England advancing on him with "Jerusalem" playing in the background so he turned and ran. I'm no Tory but credit to local MPs Julian Lewis and Caroline Nokes for voting against this proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 The Government has limited political capital so should spend it on things that will make a real difference such as removing the disincentives to work within the welfare state I do not see any reason why the country should own forests, but clearly changing was not a well thought through policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 The Independent newspaper revealed that David Cameron had also set up a Cabinet Office Behavioural Insight Team. Formed in July last year, the secretive cell is tasked to "dream up psychological tricks to alter our behaviour" - and on a massive scale. The Independent article warned how the public is to be reframed or “nudged” into politically acceptable "Social Norms"; starting with healthy eating, voluntary work and tax gathering. While this may seem innocent to some people, these early ‘soft’ targets are already being greatly expanded to include wider central government ideological and political agendas, including Cameron's socialist straitjacket of the Big Society. Elite multi-millionaire Socialist and Tory Chancellor George Osborne has already signed up to Behavioural Economics - another form of mental reframing of individuals and groups, specifically to achieve political economic objectives. Their theory and intent is, that once mentally retrained, we “willingly rush to pay excessive taxes”. The danger is that we are to be trained to believe what our politicians and public sector - The State - says is right. And we will not even be aware that we have been ‘reframed’ to think so. Never mind the basics - politicians have been proved corrupt, deviant, liars - the Soviet Union would have paid in blood and gold for Cameron’s political mind-control initiative to lock people in a hive mind. http://www.ukcolumn.org/articles/british-cabinet-office-collaborates-french-brainwashing-guru-change-way-we-think . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 The Independent newspaper revealed that David Cameron had also set up a Cabinet Office Behavioural Insight Team. Formed in July last year, the secretive cell is tasked to "dream up psychological tricks to alter our behaviour" - and on a massive scale. The Independent article warned how the public is to be reframed or “nudged” into politically acceptable "Social Norms"; starting with healthy eating, voluntary work and tax gathering. While this may seem innocent to some people, these early ‘soft’ targets are already being greatly expanded to include wider central government ideological and political agendas, including Cameron's socialist straitjacket of the Big Society. Elite multi-millionaire Socialist and Tory Chancellor George Osborne has already signed up to Behavioural Economics - another form of mental reframing of individuals and groups, specifically to achieve political economic objectives. Their theory and intent is, that once mentally retrained, we “willingly rush to pay excessive taxes”. The danger is that we are to be trained to believe what our politicians and public sector - The State - says is right. And we will not even be aware that we have been ‘reframed’ to think so. Never mind the basics - politicians have been proved corrupt, deviant, liars - the Soviet Union would have paid in blood and gold for Cameron’s political mind-control initiative to lock people in a hive mind. http://www.ukcolumn.org/articles/british-cabinet-office-collaborates-french-brainwashing-guru-change-way-we-think . You sure dune didn't write that guff? One of many giveaways as to its political stance is that it describes the Conservative think tank DEMOS as 'Marxist'. Far from being an example of mind control, the attempt to flog off the forests is just a piece of bumbling incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 It's a standard distraction tactic - be seen to withdraw on a policy that makes bugger all difference to the economic well being of the country and be seen as a 'listening and caring' Government, whilst pushing ahead with far more divisive and destructive ideologically driven programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 What a crock! No UK government "listens and responds" unless it suits them. Was the outcry from the people over the banning of hunting or the marked increase in the cost of education anyless than that over the selling off of forests? Was the forestry sell off really on the agenda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 I do not see any reason why the country should own forests, but clearly changing was not a well thought through policy The UK, and England in particular has very little semi wild open space. Retaining woodlands in public ownership and increasing access to them for camping, biker riders, walkers and horse riding is a very good thing imo. Over time I'd like to see a lot of the conifer plantations returned to heathland or mixed woodland, almost an extension of the national parks. It would cost very little / nothing especially when compared to money spent on addressing obesity or even public subsidies to the arts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Lol. I'm waiting for some similar consenus politics on the abolition of legal aid or housing benefit. Won't hold my breath, but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 http://www.ukcolumn.org/articles/british-cabinet-office-collaborates-french-brainwashing-guru-change-way-we-think . Thats a fantastic website, thanks. Haven't seen one that headbanging in a while. The fact that they link to David Icke tells you all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 February, 2011 It's a standard distraction tactic - be seen to withdraw on a policy that makes bugger all difference to the economic well being of the country and be seen as a 'listening and caring' Government, whilst pushing ahead with far more divisive and destructive ideologically driven programs. Why bring the previous Labour government into this...? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Why bring the previous Labour government into this...? ;-) You should quit while you're only losing by a country mile, trousers. This coalition is 'special' when it comes to making vaguely rational decisions. As the sense-deficient Caroline Spelman illustrates, taking a dive into the torylib talent pool is risky - you'll only bump your head and won't even get wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 February, 2011 You should quit while you're only losing by a country mile, trousers. Observationalists can't be 'losers'. I leave that privilege to those with opinions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Observationalists can't be 'losers'. I leave that privilege to those with opinions.... You're a what? Anyway, I expect amiable toffs to be able to spell 'consensus'. I think you owe me a percentage of your banker's bonus for helpfully pointing this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 17 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 February, 2011 You're a what? Anyway, I expect amiable toffs to be able to spell 'consensus'. I think you owe me a percentage of your banker's bonus for helpfully pointing this out. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 I think we can all agree that it's consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 17 February, 2011 Share Posted 17 February, 2011 Why bring the previous Labour government into this...? ;-) They may have invented the tactic, but the BrokeBack's, ( are you reading this JohnnyB ? ), will take it to a whole new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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