saint_bert Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Sex-Offenders-Are-To-Get-The-Right-To-Appeal-Against-Being-On-The-Sex-Register-For-Life/Article/201102315932225?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15932225_Sex_Offenders_Are_To_Get_The_Right_To_Appeal_Against_Being_On_The_Sex_Register_For_Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Don't know whether you are saying this is a good thing or not, but do they not get a chance to change? Murderers, burglars etc etc have the chance to. Not saying I think they deserve the right, just asking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Don't know whether you are saying this is a good thing or not, but do they not get a chance to change? Murderers, burglars etc etc have the chance to. Not saying I think they deserve the right, just asking... some posters on here would say live and let live.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Don't think it changes much - All it says is they have the right to ask to be considered for removal from the list. The Old Bill will then 'review' their situation, decide that there is just cause to keep them on the register, and the offender will have no right to appeal the Police decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 considering some claim it is not because they are perverted it is something they are born with, then IMO, if this is true, they cannot change their ways and should never be removed from the list. F*ck their rights, the day they started finding kids attractive is the day they lost them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 considering some claim it is not because they are perverted it is something they are born with, then IMO, if this is true, they cannot change their ways and should never be removed from the list. F*ck their rights, the day they started finding kids attractive is the day they lost them. What if they are not 'born evil'. This would then suggest they can change, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 What if they are not 'born evil'. This would then suggest they can change, no? Even if they have changed there is no harm keeping them on the register just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 What if they are not 'born evil'. This would then suggest they can change, no? It would, but many of them claim (maybe as an excuse) that they were born like it and cant change, they didn't choose to be like it, the same as homosexuals claim they didn't chose to be gay (no i am not saying sex offenders and homosexuals are the same before the PC cyber lynch mob get on my case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 some posters on here would say live and let live.... Some maybe? I cannot get my head around this train of thought that they have had 'their rights' taken away. What happened to the rights of all children to be free from rape, molestation and often murder when no longer of use etc? I actually feel that the sex offenders register was a sane piece of legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Some maybe? I cannot get my head around this train of thought that they have had 'their rights' taken away. What happened to the rights of all children to be free from rape, molestation and often murder when no longer of use etc? I actually feel that the sex offenders register was a sane piece of legislation. Indeed, IMO this is the worst sort of crime, and those convicted of it should never be taken off the register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Indeed, IMO this is the worst sort of crime, and those convicted of it should never be taken off the register. Another thought... Is murdering a child, for example, not a worse crime? Said offender would be released after, say, 20 years - they're not on a 'list'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Another thought... Is murdering a child, for example, not a worse crime? Said offender would be released after, say, 20 years - they're not on a 'list'. Good point, having thought about it briefly, it's difficult to split them IMO and it depends on the seveirty of the offence and the circumstances i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Good point, having thought about it briefly, it's difficult to split them IMO and it depends on the seveirty of the offence and the circumstances i guess. It is difficult and I personally dont think there is a rights answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Don't know what the fuss is about. Seems fairly straight forward to me. It you're still deemed a risk to little kids and women, then you stay on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 The law cannot discriminate selectively between different offences, all the principles of 'natural justice', etc, must be equally applicable to every case, no matter how abhorrent they might appear. Otherwise we set off on a slippery slope where successive populist Governments pander to the baying media and add another group of undesirables to the exclusion list. Who makes the decision over what offences qualify to be exempt from an appeal process ? Remember that there are many people on the register who are not pedophiles. All that is "required" is to be sentenced to 30 months or more for a sexually related crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 As an example, and to change the emphasis of the discussion, a man was jailed for 3 years for raping his wife, and ordered to be placed on the SOR indefinitely. Should he have the right to ask to be removed after 15 years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 ^^ And I think there have been a couple of cases where a young lad (say 16) had sex with his girlfriend who was just under the age of consent. He would be put on the Sex Offenders List too. All they would have is the right to request that their names be removed. Not an automatic right to be removed. There will be legal ways to get round this legislation and this has already been pointed out to the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 Good point, having thought about it briefly, it's difficult to split them IMO and it depends on the seveirty of the offence and the circumstances i guess. Makes a change, better than nothing I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 February, 2011 Share Posted 16 February, 2011 The law cannot discriminate selectively between different offences, all the principles of 'natural justice', etc, must be equally applicable to every case, no matter how abhorrent they might appear. Otherwise we set off on a slippery slope where successive populist Governments pander to the baying media and add another group of undesirables to the exclusion list. Who makes the decision over what offences qualify to be exempt from an appeal process ? Remember that there are many people on the register who are not pedophiles. All that is "required" is to be sentenced to 30 months or more for a sexually related crime. Sounds to me like we need different registers for different levels of sexually related crime. Different laws can then be applied to each register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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