Crab Lungs Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356361/Shame-Britains-Muslim-schools-Secret-filming-shows-pupils-beaten.html Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 It's nothing new. I watched Channel 4's Dispatches: 'Undercover Muslim' about 3 years ago, what I watched was horrific and if it had been a White male undercover in a Christian Church and he recorded footage of the Christians saying about Muslims what they did about us, it would have been front page news and there would be uproar. Because it was the other way around though, I never heard another peep from it. They will continue in this fashion until one day each and every f*****g one of them will one day turn on us and we won't have sufficient time to be able to do a f*****g thing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Saw footage of the teacher bloke smacking the kids on the advert for it. It's horrible. Dread to think what they will be like when they grow up if this is considered the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356361/Shame-Britains-Muslim-schools-Secret-filming-shows-pupils-beaten.html Opinions? youu know it should be dune starting these threads,he will have you marked down has a marxist leftie now;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's nothing new. I watched Channel 4's Dispatches: 'Undercover Muslim' about 3 years ago, what I watched was horrific and if it had been a White male undercover in a Christian Church and he recorded footage of the Christians saying about Muslims what they did about us, it would have been front page news and there would be uproar. Because it was the other way around though, I never heard another peep from it. They will continue in this fashion until one day each and every f*****g one of them will one day turn on us and we won't have sufficient time to be able to do a f*****g thing about it. "Us" and "Them", pathetic. Sweeping generalisations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's nothing new. I watched Channel 4's Dispatches: 'Undercover Muslim' about 3 years ago, what I watched was horrific and if it had been a White male undercover in a Christian Church and he recorded footage of the Christians saying about Muslims what they did about us, it would have been front page news and there would be uproar. Because it was the other way around though, I never heard another peep from it. They will continue in this fashion until one day each and every f*****g one of them will one day turn on us and we won't have sufficient time to be able to do a f*****g thing about it. oh dear you need to get a life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 oh dear you need to get a life He's as entitled to an opinion as much as you are, and this is a forum, where one should be able to express an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Well, I like to think I sit rather in the middle of the political axis and make my own judgement but I am getting worried about many of the islamic-themed reports recently - and now this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) There are 100 Sharia law courts in the UK, in which Islamic rules are used. If a woman is claiming rape, she needs 3 or 4 male witnesses otherwise she is automatically lying. A woman has half the rights of a man according to Islam. What they are doing in those videos is quite tame compared to being able to have sexual relations with a female when they turn 7 or 8. This is all from the holy Qur'an. Another thing that has gone on in a mosque in Britain - Edited 15 February, 2011 by Griffo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's nothing new. I watched Channel 4's Dispatches: 'Undercover Muslim' about 3 years ago, what I watched was horrific and if it had been a White male undercover in a Christian Church and he recorded footage of the Christians saying about Muslims what they did about us, it would have been front page news and there would be uproar. Because it was the other way around though, I never heard another peep from it. They will continue in this fashion until one day each and every f*****g one of them will one day turn on us and we won't have sufficient time to be able to do a f*****g thing about it. WOW Really....? I dispair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 He's as entitled to an opinion as much as you are, and this is a forum, where one should be able to express an opinion. i think he bolts the doors and never goes out getting ready for a new holy war lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 There are 100 Sharia law courts in the UK, in which Islamic rules are used. If a woman is claiming rape, she needs 3 or 4 male witnesses otherwise she is automatically lying. A woman has half the rights of a man according to Islam. What they are doing in those videos is quite tame compared to being able to have sexual relations with a female when they turn 7 or 8. This is all from the holy Qur'an. Another thing that has gone on in a mosque in Britain - wow i must go out and buy that book ,is Arnold Schwarzenegger going to be in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 All reigions are f**ked up, bt that is no excuse for ignoring just quite how much more ****ed up Islam is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 All reigions are f**ked up, bt that is no excuse for ignoring just quite how much more ****ed up Islam is. i don,t think people are ignoring that some extremists are using miltant islam for their own ends but tarring them all with the same brush smacks of ignorance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 We all know what they a like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Well, well, well. I must lead a very charmed life as I know many Muslims ( several are very good friends) and they are the nicest people I know. However, since Watford has a large Muslim community I guess I can expect all out war anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) I have Islamic neighbours. They are peaceful, kind and courteous. Like with all religions, it's not the religion that's the problem it's the extremes that some people can interpret them. Let us no forget either that Christianity and Islam share common heritage, Jesus is a prophet in their faith and it explicitly states in the Koran that the closest friend of the Muslim is the 'Christian.' Just 100 years ago in this country women didn't even have the right to vote. Less then 15 years ago, bloody civil war was taking place within our own nation on the basis of subtle secular differences. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Edited 15 February, 2011 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 As the programme said, 80% of Islamic faith schools are Deobandi. Deobandism is, broadly speaking, pretty extremist - so how come it dominates so much in schools when it's a relatively minority sect in the community? The reason is that, just as in Pakistan, the madrassas are funded with considerable amounts of Saudi money. Unfortunately the programme didn't ask questions about funding, which is a shame, because by the simple expedient of cutting out this source of income, the mad mullahs and thugs in that film wouldn't get the chance to brutalise and brainwash so many young minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 They're f*cking bananas. Simple as that really. Sharia law my arse. If that's what they want they can go and live somewhere else for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I've seen Christians hitting children. I've heard Christians say teachers should be hitting children. I've also heard Christians say awful things about Muslims, calling them evil people and saying they must be stopped. I've heard of Christians abusing children. I consider all of these things wrong either way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 We got whacked at school (a state grammar) and I believe that corporal punishment still exists in private schools so I don't think that Muslims have the monopoly on hitting kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I don't condone the mistreatment of children, whether at home or at school. However, I think there has been a number of cases of children (especially boys) being abused in boarding schools and especially those with a religious connection. Amplethorpe College, for example - a Catholic boarding school. So abuse isn't confined to Muslim schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I don't condone the mistreatment of children, whether at home or at school. However, I think there has been a number of cases of children (especially boys) being abused in boarding schools and especially those with a religious connection. Amplethorpe College, for example - a Catholic boarding school. So abuse isn't confined to Muslim schools. The catholic priests must be the worst offenders. Cellibacy is part of the job description and for a man to agree to this is un natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I don't condone the mistreatment of children, whether at home or at school. However, I think there has been a number of cases of children (especially boys) being abused in boarding schools and especially those with a religious connection. Amplethorpe College, for example - a Catholic boarding school. So abuse isn't confined to Muslim schools. Children get abused by non-religious schools/parents/carers too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I caught a glimpse of "An Island Parish" the other day and the old bloke (back right) and the bald one (back left) are creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356361/Shame-Britains-Muslim-schools-Secret-filming-shows-pupils-beaten.html Opinions? But we all know that The Daily Fail is a Nazi loving rag that makes all of it`s stories up, so this is not true...................probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 This changes everything. From now on, I am going to be a racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 This changes everything. From now on, I am going to be a racist. Islam is a religion, not a race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Islam is a religion, not a race. Very true mate. Judaism is a religion too, but those ****s in Palestine reckon it's a ****ing race despite the fact the Jewish race died out with the Pharoahs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Muslims, Christians, Jews, Scientologists, all of you please just grow up or fck off. Now there is tolerance in action people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Islam is not compatible with the Western world or Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Islam is not compatible with the Western world or Democracy. That's a bold statement, but it's wrong, and i'll tell you why it's wrong but why you're also part right. It's wrong because Islam is a religion and all religions are ******** therefore all religions are meaningless, but you're right at present because the west (christendom) and the east (muslimdon) has evolved at different paces. In the west we have a histor of city states and small nation rivalry and that meant we evolved to survive - you may know this evolution as the industrial revelation (deliberate mistake before the *****s spout up). In the case of the Barbarians (this is not a racist term to the PC ****s, Barbary is N Africa) and the other lot they had no rivalry and they just poddled into Africa against primitive savages. There the easts peoples and cultures have not kept apace with ours. in essence (and take this is scholarly thinmkinmg and not racism - yawwwwn) they are 500 years behind us and all of a sudden they are expected to join the space race. That's like when we crossed limpopo and rescued the Shona from anihilation from the Matabele. We chose to savr them because it was a piece of **** to do what the **** we liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I don't condone the mistreatment of children, whether at home or at school. However, I think there has been a number of cases of children (especially boys) being abused in boarding schools and especially those with a religious connection. Amplethorpe College, for example - a Catholic boarding school. So abuse isn't confined to Muslim schools. It's not just the violence, which is abhorrant, it's the message that goes in tandem with it. It can only lead to ignorance and hatred, bred in a part of society that needs to integrate as much as any other. They need to be closed down for brainwashing and promoting violence and extremism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It's not just the violence, which is abhorrant, it's the message that goes in tandem with it. It can only lead to ignorance and hatred, bred in a part of society that needs to integrate as much as any other. They need to be closed down for brainwashing and promoting violence and extremism. My view FWIW is that education should be secular. No faith schools of ANY description and I'd include C of E schools in that. No religious assembly before the start of lessons either. If people want to study comparative religion then let it be a specific subject or part of philosophy. But I'm saying this as someone who doesn't have a faith. I'm sure that there are contributors on here who are devout followers of one religion or another and they'd defend their right to choose to have their children educated in a school allied to their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 There is a really simple way to stop this. Stop all religious based schools! Muslim, Catholic, Christian - all of them. That may well drive this kind of extremism even deeper into the under world, but IMHO religion has caused more death than any other man made or natural catastrophe & the sooner people actually live with a very simple moral code the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I have two very simple rules that should be applied to any religious extremism. If you do not accept that the State has the right to govern by elected representatives, then live somewhere else. If you do not tolerate someone elses believes in this country , live somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 My view FWIW is that education should be secular. No faith schools of ANY description and I'd include C of E schools in that. No religious assembly before the start of lessons either. If people want to study comparative religion then let it be a specific subject or part of philosophy. But I'm saying this as someone who doesn't have a faith. I'm sure that there are contributors on here who are devout followers of one religion or another and they'd defend their right to choose to have their children educated in a school allied to their religion. Seconded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Verbal as you're aware i'm pretty clued up on african tribes and **** like that, but i always want to learn new stuff. You said ur an Asian, can you expand on that please so we can better understand each other and develop a mutual respect because diversity is such a joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Is it alright to be abusing children if they're doing it somewhere else? How does it matter where they're doing it or what religion they use to try and justify it? It isn't right to abuse children full stop. Anything more than a smack for being naughty is out of order. However, Sharia Law should have no place in our British society, so if the muslim extremists want it that much, then they can have it somewhere else. Catholic priests who abuse children should face the full force of the law. This is why the Pope is a c*nt, he turned a blind eye to it when he knew it was going on. Jesus' representative on Earth my arse. He's just head of a corporation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Verbal as you're aware i'm pretty clued up on african tribes and **** like that, but i always want to learn new stuff. You said ur an Asian, can you expand on that please so we can better understand each other and develop a mutual respect because diversity is such a joy. Where have I said anything about my ethnicity and why is it of such interest to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Seconded. Thirded. I spent a lot of time in NI. The best thing they can do to make the peace process last is to abolish denominational schools. I know a Protestant bloke who claims he didn't meet any Catholics until he was 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) Well, well, well The Mail printing a story that portrays Islam in a bad light. Who'd have thought it? It's nothing new. I watched Channel 4's Dispatches: 'Undercover Muslim' about 3 years ago, what I watched was horrific and if it had been a White male undercover in a Christian Church and he recorded footage of the Christians saying about Muslims what they did about us, it would have been front page news and there would be uproar. Because it was the other way around though, I never heard another peep from it. They will continue in this fashion until one day each and every f*****g one of them will one day turn on us and we won't have sufficient time to be able to do a f*****g thing about it. LOL at the people believing everything they see on C4 or read in the mail. I remember that programme very well because it provoked an investigation by West Midlands police into what they were preaching and teaching in the mosques. The investigation ended up concluding "West Midlands Police complained to Ofcom that the programme had been subject to such an intensity of editing that those who had been featured in the programme had been misrepresented (creating an unfair, unjust and inaccurate perception of both some speakers and sections of the Muslim community within the West Midlands); the footage had been edited in a way that resulted in material being broadcast in a form so altered from the form originally delivered that it was “sufficient to undermine community cohesion”; and the programme was “likely to undermine feelings of public reassurance and safety of those communities in the West Midlands for which the Chief Constable has a responsibility" Edited 15 February, 2011 by JackFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) There are 100 Sharia law courts in the UK, in which Islamic rules are used. If a woman is claiming rape, she needs 3 or 4 male witnesses otherwise she is automatically lying. A woman has half the rights of a man according to Islam. What they are doing in those videos is quite tame compared to being able to have sexual relations with a female when they turn 7 or 8. This is all from the holy Qur'an. Another thing that has gone on in a mosque in Britain - Says in the bible all homosexuals should have their hands tied behind them and thrown into the sea. The people who are so incredibly ignorant about Islam they think it's all evil, are as much of a danger as terrorists themselves. It's what the terrorists feed off. If you need any evidence that the Mail have an agenda against certain groups/religions/creeds that will make them money (such as portraying all of Islam as evil for example) then take a look at this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270642/Lords-Resistance-Army-accused-killing-100-massacre.html Not in one place does it mention the word "Christianity" or state the LRA use Christianity to justify their horrific crimes. My goodness, now you know that isn't that christianity evil? If it would make them money, they'd be constantly pumping out stories like this with "Christianity" and "Christian militants" splattered all over it and get us believing that Christianity is evil. And it would convince as many people who think today that all of Islam is evil. The reason they won't is because our country is too well informed of Christianity and not informed enough of Islam, so they portray Islam as "the other" and get enough ignorant morons to believe it to continually buy their papers, and they won't let anything like stirring up hatred get in the way. Edited 15 February, 2011 by JackFrost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 LOL at the people believing everything they see on C4 or read in the mail. I remember that programme very well because it provoked an investigation by West Midlands police into what they were preaching and teaching in the mosques. The investigation ended up concluding "West Midlands Police complained to Ofcom that the programme had been subject to such an intensity of editing that those who had been featured in the programme had been misrepresented (creating an unfair, unjust and inaccurate perception of both some speakers and sections of the Muslim community within the West Midlands); the footage had been edited in a way that resulted in material being broadcast in a form so altered from the form originally delivered that it was “sufficient to undermine community cohesion”; and the programme was “likely to undermine feelings of public reassurance and safety of those communities in the West Midlands for which the Chief Constable has a responsibility" That's not the end of the story. The production company and C4 sued West Midlands police for libel (which incidentally you've just repeated). They subsequently withdrew that statement, issued a full apology to the programme makers, and paid libel damages of £200,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Where have I said anything about my ethnicity and why is it of such interest to you? It is of interest to me because I would like to know. You have twice pretty much spelt out that you're from Asia. I'd say Pakistan. Just answer - why would you want to hide, i'm proud to be British and I even own a panama hat to let the natives know when on my grand tour of ancient sites such a Side's fake paul and shark emporiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Says in the bible all homosexuals should have their hands tied behind them and thrown into the sea. The people who are so incredibly ignorant about Islam they think it's all evil, are as much of a danger as terrorists themselves. It's what the terrorists feed off. If you need any evidence that the Mail have an agenda against certain groups/religions/creeds that will make them money (such as portraying all of Islam as evil for example) then take a look at this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270642/Lords-Resistance-Army-accused-killing-100-massacre.html Not in one place does it mention the word "Christianity" or state the LRA use Christianity to justify their horrific crimes. My goodness, now you know that isn't that christianity evil? If it would make them money, they'd be constantly pumping out stories like this with "Christianity" and "Christian militants" splattered all over it and get us believing that Christianity is evil. And it would convince as many people who think today that all of Islam is evil. The reason they won't is because our country is too well informed of Christianity and not informed enough of Islam, so they portray Islam as "the other" and get enough ignorant morons to believe it to continually buy their papers, and they won't let anything like stirring up hatred get in the way. Great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 It isn't right to abuse children full stop. Anything more than a smack for being naughty is out of order. However, Sharia Law should have no place in our British society, so if the muslim extremists want it that much, then they can have it somewhere else. Don't understand why hitting a child is more OK than hitting an adult or why it should be considered a good way of teaching anyone how to behave. I'm very glad it's illegal here as hitting children at all is pretty barbaric. Also, when I was a teacher in England I saw that it was pretty much only the children who were hit at home that saw it as acceptable to hit other children. Any comments about "just a light smack" are pretty daft as well, the child understands it's been hit and that was the way they understand a situation can be dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Great post. Without reading said post and using this post a guide i'd say it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Don't understand why hitting a child is more OK than hitting an adult or why it should be considered a good way of teaching anyone how to behave. I'm very glad it's illegal here as hitting children at all is pretty barbaric. Also, when I was a teacher in England I saw that it was pretty much only the children who were hit at home that saw it as acceptable to hit other children. Any comments about "just a light smack" are pretty daft as well, the child understands it's been hit and that was the way they understand a situation can be dealt with. It never did me any harm. I think you're talking crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I'm agreeing with you here Norway. I'm proud to say I never, ever hit / smacked my children when they were little. But I have to admit I had to walk away sometimes when the temptation was too great. One of my daughters is finding her 3 year old quite trying at the moment but accepted the wisdom of my words when I said 'if you can't win an argument with a 3 year old by reasoning and have to resort to smacking, what does that say about your intellectual powers?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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