Socialist Chief Execs Salary and Bonus Scandal

[dune]

We've heard plenty about bankers bonus's from the holier than thou pet Socialists, but unsurprisingly they've never brought up the salary and bonuses that their comrades in arms sponge off the tax payer. A string of Labour councils have complained that they have no option but to claw back drastically on services to the public, but John Foster, chief executive of Labour-controlled Islington Council in north London, has declined to cut his £210,000 pay. However he has approved £100million-worth of cuts including day centre closures and the end of a bus service for the elderly.

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=522833&in_page_id=2

[notnowcato]

The CEO at Wandsworth BC earns £300K a year, it will be a shock to you but he's Conservative.

[rooney]

The Tory Council in West Dorset are going ahead with new offices in Dorchester costing £10M to include a new Library, when a petition with 2000 signatures against and only 22 in favour has been presented. They are closing libraries elsewhere in the County and Dorchester already has one. Undoubtedly the Building will cost more at the time and the council tax payers will have to fund it. Tax payers have set up a fighting fund to have a Judicial Review to try and stop this madness, but they will all be able to vote with their feet at the appropriate time,

[bridge too far]

And Tory led Westminster Council pays its CEO over £200K p.a.

 

The argument should more properly address the fact that any PM of our country earns so little TBH.

 

The cost of enforcing cuts on these CEOs would far exceed the cost of paying them because it would be deemed to be breach of contract.

[Wade Garrett]

We've heard plenty about bankers bonus's from the holier than thou pet Socialists, but unsurprisingly they've never brought up the salary and bonuses that their comrades in arms sponge off the tax payer. A string of Labour councils have complained that they have no option but to claw back drastically on services to the public, but John Foster, chief executive of Labour-controlled Islington Council in north London, has declined to cut his £210,000 pay. However he has approved £100million-worth of cuts including day centre closures and the end of a bus service for the elderly.

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=522833&in_page_id=2

 

What's your point you muppet. He is the chief exec, not an elected councillor.

[JustMike]

We've heard plenty about bankers bonus's from the holier than thou pet Socialists, but unsurprisingly they've never brought up the salary and bonuses that their comrades in arms sponge off the tax payer. A string of Labour councils have complained that they have no option but to claw back drastically on services to the public, but John Foster, chief executive of Labour-controlled Islington Council in north London, has declined to cut his £210,000 pay. However he has approved £100million-worth of cuts including day centre closures and the end of a bus service for the elderly.

 

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=522833&in_page_id=2

 

lol and i suppose you think that its just labour peeps that refuse pay cuts? What about all the false expences that were claimed, just labour too?

[bridge too far]

Paid officials of councils are not allowed to openly declare any political allegiance or be active in party politics.

 

But you can't expect Stanley to understand something as simple as that.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

What's your point you muppet. He is the chief exec, not an elected councillor.

 

He was appointed by labour run council.

[bridge too far]

He was appointed by labour run council.

 

And you know that for sure? How long has he been in post? Has it always been a Labour council?

 

What about Westminster Council's CEO? Was he appointed by a Tory council (probably as AFAIK Westminster has always been Tory run - think Dame Shirley Porter)?

 

But again, the salient point is that the PM of the UK should be paid more.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

He was appointed by labour run council.

 

And? See BTF post above.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

And? See BTF post above.

 

and you expect them to appoint a telegraph reader or a Guardian reader like themselves.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

And you know that for sure? How long has he been in post? Has it always been a Labour council?

 

What about Westminster Council's CEO? Was he appointed by a Tory council (probably as AFAIK Westminster has always been Tory run - think Dame Shirley Porter)?

 

But again, the salient point is that the PM of the UK should be paid more.

 

BTF what would your hunch be who they appoint?

 

Why should we pay the PM more. He should run the country out of duty. Then go off and make million on the back of it like the rest of them.

[bridge too far]

and you expect them to appoint a telegraph reader or a Guardian reader like themselves.

 

You really are a muppet of the lowest order. Recruiters are not allowed to consider political allegiances and applicants wouldn't disclose them anyway as councils change political make-up regularly.

 

But, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Presumably then you are criticising the salaries of CEOs of Tory / Liberal councils too?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

You really are a muppet of the lowest order. Recruiters are not allowed to consider political allegiances and applicants wouldn't disclose them anyway as councils change political make-up regularly.

 

But, for the sake of argument, let's say you're right. Presumably then you are criticising the salaries of CEOs of Tory / Liberal councils too?

 

BTF I think it would in fact be you that would be the muppet if after an hour's interview you could not identify somebody's political leanings.

 

Of course I would. I dislike anybody who is overpaid in the public sector. They have it easy.

[bridge too far]

BTF I think it would in fact be you that would be the muppet if after an hour's interview you could not identify somebody's political leanings.

 

Of course I would. I dislike anybody who is overpaid in the public sector. They have it easy.

 

Just confirmed my opinion that you really know nothing. Overall responsibility for thousands of employees and budgets running into millions? And having to take the flak if one of their employees cocks up?

 

I saw this happen at a very large local council whose construction contracts I audited. The head of department didn't follow due process and the CEO had to resign.

 

There are many CEOs of private companies with far fewer employees and much smaller budgets who earn far in excess of £150K pa. If their businesses underperform, they get the sack. It's the same with CEOs of local councils and NHS trusts.

 

I'm putting the record on the turntable again - it is the Prime Minister who is UNDERpaid and it is fatuous to compare the two salaries. However, as with the banks, local authorities have to pay the market rate to get the best and I, as a taxpayer, would expect my local council to get the best for the job.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

Just confirmed my opinion that you really know nothing. Overall responsibility for thousands of employees and budgets running into millions? And having to take the flak if one of their employees cocks up?

 

I saw this happen at a very large local council whose construction contracts I audited. The head of department didn't follow due process and the CEO had to resign.

 

There are many CEOs of private companies with far fewer employees and much smaller budgets who earn far in excess of £150K pa. If their businesses underperform, they get the sack. It's the same with CEOs of local councils and NHS trusts.

 

I'm putting the record on the turntable again - it is the Prime Minister who is UNDERpaid and it is fatuous to compare the two salaries. However, as with the banks, local authorities have to pay the market rate to get the best and I, as a taxpayer, would expect my local council to get the best for the job.

 

Well I am delighted that there is more accountability than I thought.

 

I think politics should be done out of duty and not as a career. I like people to have lived in the real world before they enter politics. All sides are now guilty of this.

[bridge too far]

Well I am delighted that there is more accountability than I thought.

 

I think politics should be done out of duty and not as a career. I like people to have lived in the real world before they enter politics. All sides are now guilty of this.

 

I think you still don't get the difference between ELECTED local councillors and RECRUITED Chief Executives, Chief Financial Officers, Heads of Estates etc. The latter are professionals who have studied and been promoted and recruited for their expertise. The former are chosen by you and me and will probably have no real experience of the departments they take cabinet responsibility for.

 

That's a good thing - it's right that councillors should be able to bring paid officials to account. But the paid officials are not political appointees and you need to understand that.

[badgerx16]

Lets make a more appropriate comparison - with the paid Civil Service. I have selected a story from the Daily Heil, just to show I'm not being partisan;

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1159860/700-mandarins-earn-100-000-year-new-figures-reveal.html

 

Gus O'Donnell, in 2009, is listed as earning £285K per annum.

 

And from an article in the Independent last year, ( after the BrokeBack coalition took office ) - "He was appointed Permanent Secretary to the Cabinet in 2005, with a salary of £240,000. He will have a lump sum of £305,000 and an income of £105,000 a year when he retires". ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gus-odonnell-to-quit-before-next-election-2049100.html )

[badgerx16]

Top ten salaried Chief Execs in Local Government :

Cumbria County ( Conservative control )

Wandsworth ( Conservative )

Kent County ( Conservative )

Essex County ( Conservative )

Newham ( Labour )

Liverpool ( Labour )

Hammersmith & Fulham ( Conservative )

Lambeth ( Labour )

Suffolk County ( Conservative )

West Sussex ( Conservative )

 

Article here -

http://www.localgov.co.uk/index.cfm?method=news.detail&id=91531

 

and a full list can be found in this file, linked at the bottom of the article -

http://www.gmb.org.uk/docs/Top%20council%20earners%20Chief%20Execs%2009-10.xls

Edited 14 February, 2011 by badgerx16

[bridge too far]

So perhaps a mod could correct the thread title, removing the word 'Socialist' and replacing it with 'Local Government' or, more accurately, 'Tory'?

[Johnny Bognor]

( after the BrokeBack coalition took office )

 

I wouldn't expect a liberal leftie to display such homophobia....

 

Turkish and Dune mention g-a-y on other threads and the lefties on here have a hissy fit. Badger's quote openly uses "Brokeback" in a way which could be offensive to gays and the lefties say.........nothing.

 

So right wing intolerance is evil whilst leftie intolerance is all OK by you guys.

 

I really don't get you lot sometimes.

[Verbal]

I wouldn't expect a liberal leftie to display such homophobia....

 

Turkish and Dune mention g-a-y on other threads and the lefties on here have a hissy fit. Badger's quote openly uses "Brokeback" in a way which could be offensive to gays and the lefties say.........nothing.

 

So right wing intolerance is evil whilst leftie intolerance is all OK by you guys.

 

I really don't get you lot sometimes.

 

Johnny, are you serious? If so, you're turning into delldays.

 

Brokeback is the name of the mountain, by the way.

[Thedelldays]

verbal, you boring pr1ck...

[badgerx16]

I wouldn't expect a liberal leftie to display such homophobia....

 

Turkish and Dune mention g-a-y on other threads and the lefties on here have a hissy fit. Badger's quote openly uses "Brokeback" in a way which could be offensive to gays and the lefties say.........nothing.

 

So right wing intolerance is evil whilst leftie intolerance is all OK by you guys.

 

I really don't get you lot sometimes.

 

You do realise that I am quoting Lord Ashcroft, don't you ?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jul/24/david-davis-brokeback-coalition-pub-talk

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297454/Cameron-Brokeback-Coalition-backlash-unhappy-backbenchers-Tory-Lib-Dem-link-up.html

[Johnny Bognor]

Johnny, are you serious? If so, you're turning into delldays.

 

Brokeback is the name of the mountain, by the way.

 

Come on Verbal, someone of your intellect knows exactly what he is refering to. Why doesn't he call it the Kilimanjaro Coalition? It sounds better to start with.

 

I have to say I am dissapointed with your response as one of the lefties-in-cheif, I would have expected some condemnation.

[Johnny Bognor]

You do realise that I am quoting Lord Ashcroft, don't you ?

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jul/24/david-davis-brokeback-coalition-pub-talk

 

So what if you are? By using this in your own way, you are condoning it. Call yourself a leftie?

[badgerx16]

Call yourself a leftie?

Yep, what of it, Tory boy ?

[Johnny Bognor]

Yep, what of it, Tory boy ?

 

Hey, I have no problem with people slagging off the coalition. I think the "Condem" tag is nearly as witty as my "Gordon Clown" references, but a lot of you get on your high horses when Dune/Turkish/Anyone with a right of center viewpoint says anything controversial, but it is OK for you guys. Either that's double standards or hypocritical from where I'm standing.

[bridge too far]

Come on Verbal, someone of your intellect knows exactly what he is refering to. Why doesn't he call it the Kilimanjaro Coalition? It sounds better to start with.

 

I have to say I am dissapointed with your response as one of the lefties-in-cheif, I would have expected some condemnation.

 

I don't know what was behind the term when it was first applied to the coalition. I always thought it was a reference to the fact that the back of the coalition is already breaking apart.

[badgerx16]

Hey, I have no problem with people slagging off the coalition. I think the "Condem" tag is nearly as witty as my "Gordon Clown" references, but a lot of you get on your high horses when Dune/Turkish/Anyone with a right of center viewpoint says anything controversial, but it is OK for you guys. Either that's double standards or hypocritical from where I'm standing.

You just can't cope with the concept of a Socialist with the ability to express his own free will, and more importantly who finds something mildly amusing in a derogatory term for the leaders of the coalition that derives from the CONservative party mandarins.

[NorthamSteve]

dune has gone quiet, hasn't he?

[badgerx16]

dune has gone quiet, hasn't he?

To paraphrase Jack Nicholson - "He can't handle the truth."

[NorthamSteve]

let see how long we can kepp this thread going before he breaks and has to post something.

[Johnny Bognor]

You just can't cope with the concept of a Socialist with the ability to express his own free will, and more importantly who finds something mildly amusing in a derogatory term for the leaders of the coalition that derives from the CONservative party mandarins.

 

Not at all. I have a problem with lefties in general who only get on their moral mountains (whilst we are on the subject of topography) on a selective basis.

 

@BTF Google Brokeback Mountain and you can see it has nothing to do with backs breaking. Verbal is the film buff, I am sure he can fill you in (metphorically speaking of course)

[badgerx16]

let see how long we can kepp this thread going before he breaks and has to post something.

I think I stole his thunder by quoting the Daily Heil against him. Maybe he can find a Socialist Worker article to support his position.

[badgerx16]

If there are any LGBT people viewing this thread, are you offended by the use of the term 'BrokeBack Coalition' to describe the leadership of a Government nobody elected ?

[bridge too far]

Not at all. I have a problem with lefties in general who only get on their moral mountains (whilst we are on the subject of topography) on a selective basis.

 

@BTF Google Brokeback Mountain and you can see it has nothing to do with backs breaking. Verbal is the film buff, I am sure he can fill you in (metphorically speaking of course)

 

I'm well aware of the story in the film Brokeback Mountain. I think that whoever coined the phrase with regard to the coalition was using a play on words that was mildly topical.

[Verbal]

I would have expected some condemnation.

 

Isn't that what you fully paid-up neo-Cons are supposed to call the Big Society?

[trousers]

Anyone for a game of conkers?

[positivepete]

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/6685298/councils-of-despair.thtml

 

Here are a few more examples of selective cuts......................