Weston Saint Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 I assumed Weston was referring to the "olive branch" of a continuing role as some sort of ambassador or meet and greet on matchdays role similar to the one he carried out under Wilde. Whilst people continually slag Lawrie off and suggest he is money orientated its rather interesting that his dis-like for Lowe was the reason he turned the offer down when there was still the opportunity to be paid for his "job" !Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 This whole thing just boils down a simple question... does someones right to express their opinion at all times supercede whatever damage perceived or otherwise expressing it might do? And I guess at what point on teh scale does it tip over that edge? LM has not siad anything publically that is likely to cause offence or damge, but some have suggested that he might have been behind the od leak or comment - Ther is no evidence at all to suggest he was a source of the stories, but there is no denying that made up stuff in the press about the club being for sale just at the time of the club negotiating a new sponsorhip contract could have done damage. If you look at it objectively - how would folk feel if it had been confirmed as say Lowe who fed the story at that time? What I am saying is, there is a tendency to be more forgiving towards Matt and Lawrie because of there undoudted contribution - we grant them this slack because of their hero status... I think the point I would make is I dont make the distinction between the individuals but would tend to judge more on the action and its effect irrespective of who said it etc.. I will probably get a slagging for that, but its a point of principle. On the other hand I would love nothing more than for LM and Matty to up in teh directors box swigging the champagne with NC week in week out - its ashme they cant get over whatever issues they have with each other, but that seems to be the way of it.. neither will back down, so fans are left to argue in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 The evening was a function that was unconnected with the club. Now if somebody sees it fit to award somebody at the event with a lifetime achievement award then what difference does it make to you me or anybody else. Lawrie was acknowledged on the night for not only his achievements with Saints but also for his many charity connections too mant to mention,infact after hearing of all the good causes he is connected with its amazing he has any time left to watch any football.not saying he does not neccessarily deserve a lifetime award but WHO is this from? The Club? The FA? The LMA? I hope Im wrong and its from an official organisation rather than what seems like a bit of a PR stunt from his mates!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 The evening was a function that was unconnected with the club. Now if somebody sees it fit to award somebody at the event with a lifetime achievement award then what difference does it make to you me or anybody else. Lawrie was acknowledged on the night for not only his achievements with Saints but also for his many charity connections too mant to mention,infact after hearing of all the good causes he is connected with its amazing he has any time left to watch any football. So basically Lawrie gave himself a Lifetime Achievement award. Classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 why would Lawrie give it to himself?Lawrie didnt even know about it.And yes it was very classy.Have you got a problem with it?So basically Lawrie gave himself a Lifetime Achievement award. Classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 why would Lawrie give it to himself?Lawrie didnt even know about it.And yes it was very classy.Have you got a problem with it? So who organised the event? I was under the impression it was LM et al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 So basically Lawrie gave himself a Lifetime Achievement award. Classy. One of the greatest cricketers the world has ever seen took time to record a tribute, as did one of the greatest British managers of all time.It seems he's respected throughout the sporting world, bar a few supporters of the club he gave so much for. Shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 so you honestly think that If it had been Lawrie that organised the event he would give himself an award?So who organised the event? I was under the impression it was LM et al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 So basically Lawrie gave himself a Lifetime Achievement award. Classy. Come on Pancake - that was uncalled for. I wasn't there last night but from what I saw on the tele it looked to be a fantastic occasion and if the organisers wanted to give LM an award without him being privy then that is entirely up to them. The fact the "Doc" made the effort to turn up to present it speaks volumes. I know LM is not everyone's cup of tea but I do know whenever I open an Echo he is in there doing some sort of charity work. He was interviewed last night and gave credit to NC and Markus and re-emphasized his support for the club. Why there is this constant sniping I don't get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 So basically Lawrie gave himself a Lifetime Achievement award. Classy. Cheap and nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 It seems that some posters here think that supporting Cortese and appreciating Lawrie are mutually exclusive. Childish. He was our finest manager, end of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 I knew it already but boy we really do have some dumbass supporters. Pathetic digs at Lawrie Mac, are those of you who snipe really so petty and beyond reproach ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliegeorgesflymo Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Didn't realise you got a lifetime achievement award for self-service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Didn't realise you got a lifetime achievement award for self-service cheapshot supporting the club NOW and remembering past servants of the club who gave us our best ever years, men who took us out of the skates shadows and gave us 50 years of being top dogs on the south coast, are not choices you can do both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 yes you do and you also get acknowledge for it by argubally the finest ever cricketer in the world. Sir Ian Botham. Now remind me what have they both got in common? Oh I remember now they both give up a large portion of their time now helping raise money all over the world for worthy causes.Now when an all time great like Sir Ian Botham can take time out to acknowledge Lawrie then thats good enough for me. End of rant. C.O.Y RDidn't realise you got a lifetime achievement award for self-service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 yes you do and you also get acknowledge for it by argubally the finest ever cricketer in the world. Sir Ian Botham. Now remind me what have they both got in common? Oh I remember now they both give up a large portion of their time now helping raise money all over the world for worthy causes.Now when an all time great like Sir Ian Botham can take time out to acknowledge Lawrie then thats good enough for me. End of rant. C.O.Y R A fine riposte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Now he's got what he's been whimpering for, time for him to shut up and ride into the sunset. Maybe that way, everyone will come around to appreciating his achievements without his big mouth trying to ram the fact upon us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Now he's got what he's been whimpering for, time for him to shut up and ride into the sunset. Maybe that way, everyone will come around to appreciating his achievements without his big mouth trying to ram the fact upon us. Oh FFS............sometimes I am embarassed at the level some of our so called supporters will go to. Obviously not there last night then ? I dont thinlk I recall any self promotion from Lawrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Now he's got what he's been whimpering for, time for him to shut up and ride into the sunset. Maybe that way, everyone will come around to appreciating his achievements without his big mouth trying to ram the fact upon us. Ignorant moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 For: made me a Southampton fan. Gave me 20 years supporting a brilliant football club winning beyond its merit, gave me Kevin Keegan, gave me SECOND behind Liverpool (today's equaivalent of winning the Champion's League), gave me the best footballing memories of my life. Against: He's a Maccam with a big gob. Some fecking argument that. What a bunch of k u nts... And I use that word advisedly. Pathetic. The sort of people who appreciate nothing and I wouldn't cross the road to pi ss on if they were on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 For: made me a Southampton fan. Gave me 20 years supporting a brilliant football club winning beyond its merit, gave me Kevin Keegan, gave me SECOND behind Liverpool (today's equaivalent of winning the Champion's League), gave me the best footballing memories of my life. Against: He's a Maccam with a big gob. Some fecking argument that. What a bunch of k u nts... And I use that word advisedly. Pathetic. The sort of people who appreciate nothing and I wouldn't cross the road to pi ss on if they were on fire. excellent post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 So let me get this straight... No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has said anything about Cortese? No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has awarded himself anything In fact no one has the slightest idea of what Lawrie has or hasn't done. What we can say is how ignorant some people are on here when it comes to our genuine Saints legends. For some of us, our greatest Saints memories revolve around the man. To turn round and slate him as some people have done, without the slightest smidgeon of proof, is just disgraceful... If he had slated Cortese then he's entitled to his opinion! It's not a Fascist state, he has the right to an opinion. The fact that he gave us so many great memories entitles him to have his say... Right or wrong... Hang your heads in shame... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 For: made me a Southampton fan. Gave me 20 years supporting a brilliant football club winning beyond its merit, gave me Kevin Keegan, gave me SECOND behind Liverpool (today's equaivalent of winning the Champion's League), gave me the best footballing memories of my life. Against: He's a Maccam with a big gob. Some fecking argument that. What a bunch of k u nts... And I use that word advisedly. Pathetic. The sort of people who appreciate nothing and I wouldn't cross the road to pi ss on if they were on fire. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Pancake care to comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 So let me get this straight... No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has said anything about Cortese? No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has awarded himself anything In fact no one has the slightest idea of what Lawrie has or hasn't done. What we can say is how ignorant some people are on here when it comes to our genuine Saints legends. For some of us, our greatest Saints memories revolve around the man. To turn round and slate him as some people have done, without the slightest smidgeon of proof, is just disgraceful... If he had slated Cortese then he's entitled to his opinion! It's not a Fascist state, he has the right to an opinion. The fact that he gave us so many great memories entitles him to have his say... Right or wrong... Hang your heads in shame... That is pretty much it. Ironic those who slate him for "saying too much" are doing exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 So let me get this straight... No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has said anything about Cortese? No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has awarded himself anything In fact no one has the slightest idea of what Lawrie has or hasn't done. What we can say is how ignorant some people are on here when it comes to our genuine Saints legends. For some of us, our greatest Saints memories revolve around the man. To turn round and slate him as some people have done, without the slightest smidgeon of proof, is just disgraceful... If he had slated Cortese then he's entitled to his opinion! It's not a Fascist state, he has the right to an opinion. The fact that he gave us so many great memories entitles him to have his say... Right or wrong... Hang your heads in shame... The irony is Daren that most of those who slag off Lawrie come out with some incredible, outlandish statements on this forum when talking about Cortese, Adkins, the players. Much of it is based in ignorance and speculation and they contribute nothing to the club.....oh they might cheer when a player having a bad game gets taken off though........yet a man who was our most successful manager, a fact nobody can dispute, is treated like dirt from behind the safety of a keyboard. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Lawrie has given (almost) a lifetime of service to Saints and it is right to be recognised. He deserves recognition of his achievements which he recived in no small part with his honours from The Queen The award at the event was a nice moment for those there to show there appreciation of him, and nice that it was presented by The Doc. But it WOULD have been nice to know who actually presented it. Was it The Echo? for example where it would have some consituency/gravitas. Simply because at the moment (in the absence of facts again) I think I will today award all TSW members with a Lifetime Achievement Award for putting up with the ups and downs of our club the past 40+ odd years. Or maybe I will award myself a Lifetime Achievement recognition for my services to Golf. An award is deserved, but who paid for the "trophy"? At the moment it seems a tad odd to not know where it came from. Saints aid??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Are you really a saints fan?? I 'm pretty sure from the host of ex pro's there last night you can actually feel the genuine love that they have for their former boss - I think that speaks volumes about the man.The fact that people like TommyDoc and Sir Alex et al were also happy to take the time out of there busy schedules to make a speach in recognition of his service to the club and his continued good work for charity's is also testament to how he is regarded in not only football but within the community in general. However I strongly suspect that you would n't know because you would n't have gone. History is the foundation stone of the club - nights like last night keep the history very much alive - it was a fantastic event....Its a shame the 'club' couldn't have been more involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 Gaffer, can I ask if this was a non profit event? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 I just can't believe the new generation of saints fans. How u slag matty and lawrie off his beyond me. Art, youre the one who can dissapear into the sunset please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 14 February, 2011 Share Posted 14 February, 2011 How u slag matty and lawrie off his beyond me. Yes, they were great as player and manager respectively, but that doesn't make them infallible since retirement. The have said a lot of unsubstantiated things in the local and national press in the last 18 months and Cortese is under no obligation to do them any favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Fair play he has done wonders for us but these last few years he is starting to lose respect from a lot of saints fans ! History is good but lots of fans are too young to remember the good times these days ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Are you really a saints fan?? I 'm pretty sure from the host of ex pro's there last night you can actually feel the genuine love that they have for their former boss - I think that speaks volumes about the man.The fact that people like TommyDoc and Sir Alex et al were also happy to take the time out of there busy schedules to make a speach in recognition of his service to the club and his continued good work for charity's is also testament to how he is regarded in not only football but within the community in general. However I strongly suspect that you would n't know because you would n't have gone. History is the foundation stone of the club - nights like last night keep the history very much alive - it was a fantastic event....Its a shame the 'club' couldn't have been more involved. good post and i think that is the feeling of the real saints fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I just can't believe the new generation of saints fans. How u slag matty and lawrie off his beyond me. Art, youre the one who can dissapear into the sunset please totally in agreement we seem to have a hate generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) totally in agreement we seem to have a hate generation It isn't hate. Lawrie Mac, for all the great stuff he did as manager, it doesn't infallible now. He continues to make unfounded and unsubstantiated claims in the local and national press, it shouldn't then surprise him if those he makes it against don't do him any favours, they are under no obligation. Edited 15 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 The generations that were born a while after the FA Cup win, second place behind Liverpool etc won't have the same affinity with LM, and care more about the current Saints team and ownership, and feel more protective about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 So let me get this straight... No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has said anything about Cortese? No one has the slightest bit of proof that Lawrie has awarded himself anything In fact no one has the slightest idea of what Lawrie has or hasn't done. What we can say is how ignorant some people are on here when it comes to our genuine Saints legends. For some of us, our greatest Saints memories revolve around the man. To turn round and slate him as some people have done, without the slightest smidgeon of proof, is just disgraceful... If he had slated Cortese then he's entitled to his opinion! It's not a Fascist state, he has the right to an opinion. The fact that he gave us so many great memories entitles him to have his say... Right or wrong... Hang your heads in shame... And yet people get slated all the time for what they say about cortese. The hypocrisy is staggering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I just can't believe the new generation of saints fans. How u slag matty and lawrie off his beyond me. Art, youre the one who can dissapear into the sunset please Ignore them. IMO they are not real fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 The general. Not real fans those who knock never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Ignore them. IMO they are not real fans. As I said in the other thread (as these two threads are pretty much on the same course at the moment... - MLT is the King on the pitch and Lawrie the king of the dugout for Saints. - But concerning actions off the pitch, Cortese is far more impressive and professional. As Saint Clark pointed out, all the actions Cortese gets abused for can be easily countered (although many of his critics ignore the rebuttals like those Saint Clark listed). MLT and Lawrie however seem to be able to say what they like in the eyes of some. Yes, Le Tiss is one of the greatest players ever to play for the club and Lawrie probably the best manager, but they shouldn't open their mouths in public about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do them any favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 As I said in the other thread (as these two threads are pretty much on the same course at the moment... - MLT is the King on the pitch and Lawrie the king of the dugout for Saints. - But concerning actions off the pitch, Cortese is far more impressive and professional. As Saint Clark pointed out, all the actions Cortese gets abused for can be easily countered (although many of his critics ignore the rebuttals like those Saint Clark listed). MLT and Lawrie however seem to be able to say what they like in the eyes of some. Yes, Le Tiss is one of the greatest players ever to play for the club and Lawrie probably the best manager, but they shouldn't open their mouths in public about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do them any favours. Cortese will do what Cortese wants anyway. He has many good points, sadly he still has yet to understand and embrace the history of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Cortese still has yet to understand and embrace the history of the club. From another thread... How has he shown lack of respect for the clubs history? We are wearing an anniversary shirt, recently had a number of former players on the pitch at half time and the club held official events in November 2010 - the actual time of the anniversary! The event yesterday was unofficial, 3 months late and some of those involved have been slagging him off in the press for months. He owes them nothing and certainly can't blame him for not doing them any favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 As Saint Clark pointed out, all the actions Cortese gets abused for can be easily countered.. Oh boy, it's way too late to get started on that point, all I will say those for whom he can do no wrong will try to counter the criticism he gets. Some of the accusations are clearly unfounded, others clearly not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 From another thread... Did I say he had shown a lack of respect, I think you will find not. He doesn't understand it ( our history) is what I clearly said, are you a journalist who twists words to suit your purpose ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) Did I say he had shown a lack of respect, I think you will find not. He doesn't understand it ( our history) is what I clearly said, are you a journalist who twists words to suit your purpose ? I didn't say you said that. I lifted the quote I had used in response to someone else that said he had a lack of respect. The rest applies to your point though. That doesn't mean I think you said that, so it isn't twisting words at all. We are wearing an anniversary shirt, recently had a number of former players on the pitch at half time and the club held official events in November 2010 - the actual time of the anniversary! The event yesterday was unofficial, 3 months late and some of those involved have been slagging him off in the press for months. He owes them nothing and certainly can't blame him for not doing them any favours. So how has Cortese not understood the clubs history? He held events at the time of the anniversary, those held yesterday are the ones that are three months late! Imagine if someone held an unofficial wedding anniversary for you and your wife in the village hall, 3 months after the anniversary date. The organiser of the unofficial event has been slagging you off in the village paper for the last 18 months. Would you let your kids attend? - It may not be the best analogy ever but I think it gets the point across. Edited 15 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 I didn't say you said that. I lifted the quote I had used in response to someone else that said he had a lack of respect. The rest applies to your point though. That doesn't mean I think you said that, so it isn't twisting words at all. We are wearing an anniversary shirt, recently had a number of former players on the pitch at half time and the club held official events in November 2010 - the actual time of the anniversary! The event yesterday was unofficial, 3 months late and some of those involved have been slagging him off in the press for months. He owes them nothing and certainly can't blame him for not doing them any favours. So how has Cortese not understood the clubs history? He held events at the time of the anniversary, those held yesterday are the ones that are three months late! Imagine if someone held an unofficial wedding anniversary for you and your wife in the village hall, 3 months after the anniversary date. The organiser of the unofficial event has been slagging you off in the village paper for the last 18 months. Would you let your kids attend? - It may not be the best analogy ever but I think it gets the point across. The trouble is that your view is one sided to the point of absurdity. Just for the sake of clarity : 1) It is my opinion Cortese has done a lot of good things but also made mistakes, stating "all the actions Cortese gets abused for can be easily countered " is simply nonsense. I suspect since you come across as an intelligent person you realise that yet like several others you believe Cortese to be the only perfect person on the planet. Try telling all the kids who paraded on the pitch last year proudly wearing Saints shirts but then had to return them that this is the how the club has always treated it's fans and they should not expect anything different, Try telling that to Eastleigh Soul Boy, his son was one of those kids. 2) I have never stated that Lawrie or indeed anyone is beyond criticism. However, the criticism, sniping on here is over the top and indicates, to me at least, that certain people are simply looking for any reason to slate him. As for the reasons I cannot even begin to guess. It is fine to have an opinion, quite another thing for that opinion to be so blinkered and then to criticise someone else for having the temerity to have different opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 (edited) A sceptic would say that the organisers of the event kind of knew that they could provoke a reaction amongst the more vocal fans by stage managing this event & the award. I've already stated that LM has been rewarded for his services to Football (rightly) by the Queen and should be OFFICIALLY recognised by the club. However, as I pointed out even the gaffer in his eloquent defense has not told us who the award was from. So at this time it appears to have come from the organisers of an unofficial event - ie a Showbiz award without a wider constituency. The award did not have "OUR" name on it as "Fans", so I rebuke the "Organisers" as IMHO it is this that is divisive, not the fact they gave him something. LM has not been an outspoken critic of the new regime, but again, cause and effect, some outspoken critics have given him their award, so it is no surprise that LM has now (in some eyes) been linked to those critics. Of course it was a surprise for him and important in "Showbiz" terms to help create a memorable evening. But the organisers had a couple of choices - they COULD have given the Naming Rights to the award - such as The Evening Echo Lifetime Achievement Award or even The Southampton City Council Award which gives it FAR more credence and value and would have debunked most of those commenting against it on here. Alternatively, they COULD have also mentioned on this thread that this WAS actually the case, but have chosen not to. So although it was said very poorly by Pancake, he appears to be right - at the moment, Lawrie's mate's gave him an award. (and guys, you still COULD tell us - PLEASE!) So, on that basis let's get off our a**ses and create an award of our own for him and give it to him at the next forum game. It would (outside of the Showbiz effect) be as valid as that he got at the Mayflower. Think how much publicity we could get for this forum by doing that, and how many new members would sign up and help with the cost of migrating into The Cloud Edited 15 February, 2011 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 So, on that basis let's get off our a**ses and create an award of our own for him and give it to him at the next forum game. It would (outside of the Showbiz effect) be as valid as that he got at the Mayflower. You could do that, but then sceptics might suggest you're out to provoke a reaction. Additionally, many supporters will claim you're not speaking for them and it does not have their name on it so would "rebuke" any award and would go on to claim it is divisive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 You could do that, but then sceptics might suggest you're out to provoke a reaction. Additionally, many supporters will claim you're not speaking for them and it does not have their name on it so would "rebuke" any award and would go on to claim it is divisive. Yeah, don't you just love politics! We all know what the REAL solution to this is, and I think deep down we all know that for the time being it is highly unlikely to happen for all of the reasons we have seen, no matter how much we'd all like it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 February, 2011 Share Posted 15 February, 2011 Not spotted this elsewhere, sorry if already posted. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8850348.Lawrie_Mac_gets_surprise_award_at_Saints_125th_anniversary_celebrations/ "Saints legendary manager Lawrie McMenemy was shocked and surprised when he was presented with a lifetime achievement award at a celebration of the club’s 125th anniversary last night. The surprise came at a gala dinner at Southampton’s De Vere Grand Harbour Hotel. The award was presented by Tommy Docherty, manager of the Manchester United side beaten by Saints in the 1976 FA Cup final" Well done big man. Regardless of WHO came up with the idea, it was well-deserved. The award surely reflects his time with SFC from 1972- 1985. Those great signings, the excellent football (2nd. in League ) and of course winning the FA Cup. What came after ..the furore over his departure to Sunderland, the disputes with RL, the sometimes mis-quoted criticism of people in /outside the club. The apparant rift between him and NC are nothing to do with his unique record of achievement . If you are going to give an Lifetime Achievement Award then there is none better...at present, and few organisations better than EX-Saints to award it. With all respect to Nicola Cortese, who is IMHO - doing an excellent job, neither he, or anyone else of influence is better placed then "the fans" to make such an award, as we are the ones who can best judge Lawries unique contribution to SFC. I'm sure in time MLT will not continue to see his halo tarnished by a petty dispute and will go down in the club history as legends along with Paine, Channon and Ron Davies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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