anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Turkish thinks that being liberal means who can't disagree with or criticise anyone. What an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Fantastic speech. "Shopping centres are for shopping." The guys a ****ing idiot, anyone who agrees with him is a ****ing idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Funny. The difference between you and Deppo is that he winds you up and you do it to yourself. You presented the stupidity of someone else as widespread. It is idiotic to suggest that it is now 'PC' to say 'coffee with milk'. Utter crap, and I'm sure there is a grain of sense in you that recognises it. And the second fantasy of yours, on which you didn't comment? I imagine from the tenor of your vitriolic little gems that you suffer from high blood pressure. Calm down, otherwise you'll explode and we'll have to get Mr Wolfe out. See the other thread for that repsonse. Claiming i am getting angry and high blood pressure is way off the mark, i am actually pi*sing myself laughing at yours and everyone elses hypocrasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 But this is the society you lot wanted. Tolerant, liberal, freedom of speech. Like it or not, the EDL have as much right to march and hold their views under the society you want as anyone. Despite all these horror stories about how they act there were far more arrests at the student protests. I never see EDL members smashing up police vans and throwing fire extingishers off of buildings into crowds. One might think that the way they supposedly act is a media driven campaign to make them look bad? As the facts figures of arrests and actual violence make them appear to be the pacifists that they claim to be compared to the middle class students and the UAF. People want it both ways, they want a free liberal society but they only want it if people agree with the views they hold. It hyprocritical, if you cant except the EDL and live and let live, then you are as bad as them. In the society you want the EDL and BNP have as much right to be here as anyone else. You said it was hypocritical to criticise the EDL for their views; it is not hypocritical at all. I was not questioning their right to exist, merely your assertion about hypocrisy. You are also making assumptions about my views and beliefs; odd considering that you don't know me, let alone what views I hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 How can you say that the EDL are racist when EDL member Allan Hetherington-Cleverley spent four years in prison for smuggling Chinese immigrants across the Channel. Maybe the £20000 he received from a dodgy Albanian persuaded him to welcome them to our shores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 See the other thread for that repsonse. Claiming i am getting angry and high blood pressure is way off the mark, i am actually pi*sing myself laughing at yours and everyone elses hypocrasy. Not half as much as we chuckle at your illiteracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 "Shopping centres are for shopping." anyone who agrees with him is a ****ing idiot. What are shopping centres for then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 How can you say that the EDL are racist when EDL member Allan Hetherington-Cleverley spent four years in prison for smuggling Chinese immigrants across the Channel. Maybe the £20000 he received from a dodgy Albanian persuaded him to welcome them to our shores. Perhaps he is a shister who values £20k more than his own beliefs. He allegedly also once plotted to kidnap Linda McCartney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Perhaps he is a shister who values £20k more than his own beliefs. He allegedly also once plotted to kidnap Linda McCartney. Maybe he liked Quorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 How can you say that the EDL are racist when EDL member Allan Hetherington-Cleverley spent four years in prison for smuggling Chinese immigrants across the Channel. Maybe the £20000 he received from a dodgy Albanian persuaded him to welcome them to our shores. I think he did it only on the condition that they went to work in Morcombe Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 It's quite a simple concept to grasp. Many of you profess to be liberal and are all for freedom of speech, yet at the same time are condeming the EDL for voicing their beliefs. You all claim they are a violent group that intimidate but i was called an idiot for stating the fact that the student protests were far more violent. It seems many of you are liberal only when it suits and freedom of speech is only allowed if it is what you believe in. Liberal? I'd say hyprocrites is more appropriate. oh dear i think you need to calm down before you blow gasket,you seem to have a anger problem , sorry if you find students more violet than those nice kind edl bnp facists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 See the other thread for that repsonse. Claiming i am getting angry and high blood pressure is way off the mark, i am actually pi*sing myself laughing at yours and everyone elses hypocrasy. good for you and that strange world you live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 oh dear i think you need to calm down before you blow gasket,you seem to have a anger problem , sorry if you find students more violet than those nice kind edl bnp facists. Arrest and sentancing statistic suggest they are now dont they. Although why bother with this when we can leap to assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Arrest and sentancing statistic suggest they are now dont they. Although why bother with this when we can leap to assumptions. i bet you will find more bnp edl facists racists those nice men have been arrested unless you have the stastics at hands then those hard students who scare us off the streets but i ,m sure your more worried about men having babies and elton john einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 i bet you will find more bnp edl facists racists those nice men have been arrested unless you have the stastics at hands then those hard students who scare us off the streets but i ,m sure your more worried about men having babies and elton john einstein. I dont care, i am not one of them and i am not a student, i dont care much for students demostrating against fees or the EDL. You bleat on about how violent they are whilst ignoring the fact that the students were far more violent. Its typical of this forum, only seeing what they want to see, and if anyone points it out they are a racist, homophob etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 I dont care, i am not one of them and i am not a student, i dont care much for students demostrating against fees or the EDL. You bleat on about how violent they are whilst ignoring the fact that the students were far more violent. Its typical of this forum, only seeing what they want to see, and if anyone points it out they are a racist, homophob etc etc... still waiting for the facts that students are more violent than the edl and bnp . Four specialist national police units involved in policing hooliganism, extreme violence, and terrorism are investigating the EDL. After their second demonstration in Birmingham Assistant Chief Constable Sharon Rowe of West Midlands Police: "Really, there was no intent to protest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 still waiting for the facts that students are more violent than the edl and bnp . Four specialist national police units involved in policing hooliganism, extreme violence, and terrorism are investigating the EDL. After their second demonstration in Birmingham Assistant Chief Constable Sharon Rowe of West Midlands Police: "Really, there was no intent to protest when was the last time an EDL member got 2 years 8 months for violent disorder at one of their marches? When was the last time you saw news footage of the EDL smashing up police cars and vans and terrorising a Prince and our future King by attacking his car? A less liberal society would have them executed for doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 I dont care, i am not one of them and i am not a student, i dont care much for students demostrating against fees or the EDL. You bleat on about how violent they are whilst ignoring the fact that the students were far more violent. Its typical of this forum, only seeing what they want to see, and if anyone points it out they are a racist, homophob etc etc... Finally an admission of the truth. Feel better now? Sit down, pour yourself (no one else will, sadly) a nice cup of tea, and have a listen to Your Song - your favourite song by the bestest ever follicle-challenged artist. That should get the boiling pressure down a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 when was the last time an EDL member got 2 years 8 months for violent disorder at one of their marches? When was the last time you saw news footage of the EDL smashing up police cars and vans and terrorising a Prince and our future King by attacking his car? A less liberal society would have them executed for doing this. Oh dear. Beta blocker time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 when was the last time an EDL member got 2 years 8 months for violent disorder at one of their marches? When was the last time you saw news footage of the EDL smashing up police cars and vans and terrorising a Prince and our future King by attacking his car? A less liberal society would have them executed for doing this. the EDL quite often smash up public buildings, climb on roofs and launch fire extinguishers into crowds from great heights...show utter disrespect to war memorials..etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 still waiting for the facts that students are more violent than the edl and bnp . Four specialist national police units involved in policing hooliganism, extreme violence, and terrorism are investigating the EDL. After their second demonstration in Birmingham Assistant Chief Constable Sharon Rowe of West Midlands Police: "Really, there was no intent to protest I see you've found out how to do capital letters. Now you've just gotta work out where to put them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 the EDL quite often smash up public buildings, climb on roofs and launch fire extinguishers into crowds from great heights...show utter disrespect to war memorials..etc.. And here comes mini-me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 And here comes mini-me. you are such a boring tosspot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 the EDL quite often smash up public buildings, climb on roofs and launch fire extinguishers into crowds from great heights...show utter disrespect to war memorials..etc.. Well if you say it it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 The student protests got out of hand in some places, yes, but EDL demonstrations are ALWAYS violent and ALWAYS require heavy policing. The student protests were over-policed if anything, and their presence spurred the more moronic amongst the crowd to go a bit mental. Anyway, it's pretty difficult to compare such a wide spectrum of people (students) to a small-ish group of white, far-right thugs. It's like comparing chalk and a melted toothbrush with a razor blade in it, hidden under a prison mattress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 The student protests got out of hand in some places, yes, but EDL demonstrations are ALWAYS violent and ALWAYS require heavy policing. The student protests were over-policed if anything, and their presence spurred the more moronic amongst the crowd to go a bit mental. Anyway, it's pretty difficult to compare such a wide spectrum of people (students) to a small-ish group of white, far-right thugs. It's like comparing chalk and a melted toothbrush with a razor blade in it, hidden under a prison mattress. what happened in the student protests makes any EDL demo look like a tea dance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 The student protests got out of hand in some places, yes, but EDL demonstrations are ALWAYS violent and ALWAYS require heavy policing. The student protests were over-policed if anything, and their presence spurred the more moronic amongst the crowd to go a bit mental. Anyway, it's pretty difficult to compare such a wide spectrum of people (students) to a small-ish group of white, far-right thugs. It's like comparing chalk and a melted toothbrush with a razor blade in it, hidden under a prison mattress. and just when you thought there couldn't be more bellends in one place Supermikey turns up.... To be fair, i quite agree with you that you cant compare the two. however, whilst the students got out of hand the level of violence that occured is worse seen than at any EDL march, imagine if it had been they that attacked Prince Charles car, there would be public outcry, because it was a few middle class students its been largely brushed under the carpet. Regardless of if you agree with them or not though the liberal society that people want has granted them the right to voice their views it just seems that when some people act worse its dismissed as "getting out of hand" yet for others they are violent thugs intent on trouble. Imagine if the scences at the student protests had happened at a football match, the people involved would be getting 4 or 5 year sentances, no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 the EDL quite often smash up public buildings, climb on roofs and launch fire extinguishers into crowds from great heights...show utter disrespect to war memorials..etc.. Since when have two wrongs made a right? The students that rioted were idiots and those who defaced the war memorials, well, let's not go there! Their behaviour, however, doesn't alter the general facts about the EDL marches. Have a quick google about their marches in Dudley and Stoke. I've no issue regarding their right to exist or march, the same way I have no issue with any group, no matter how abhorrent they are because I'm proud to live in a liberal democracy. This attitude, however, does not mean I have to support the views of modus operandi of those organisations that do march for a cause they believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Since when have two wrongs made a right? The students that rioted were idiots and those who defaced the war memorials, well, let's not go there! Their behaviour, however, doesn't alter the general facts about the EDL marches. Have a quick google about their marches in Dudley and Stoke. I've no issue regarding their right to exist or march, the same way I have no issue with any group, no matter how abhorrent they are because I'm proud to live in a liberal democracy. This attitude, however, does not mean I have to support the views of modus operandi of those organisations that do march for a cause they believe in. two wrongs dont make a right, both sets of nutters should not be allowed to express their free speech with violence.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 and just when you thought there couldn't be more bellends in one place Supermikey turns up.... To be fair, i quite agree with you that you cant compare the two. however, whilst the students got out of hand the level of violence that occured is worse seen than at any EDL march Might have something to do with the fact that the number of student protesters was vastly superior to the number of EDL at any of their marches, plus the police massively underestimated the students but have heavily policed the EDL. Unless you're suggesting that the average student is inately more violent than the average EDL member? imagine if it had been they that attacked Prince Charles car, there would be public outcry, because it was a few middle class students its been largely brushed under the carpet. Now you're just fitting the facts to support your argument. There was outrage at the student attack on the royals, this was easily spotted in any of the papers. Regardless of if you agree with them or not though the liberal society that people want has granted them the right to voice their views it just seems that when some people act worse its dismissed as "getting out of hand" yet for others they are violent thugs intent on trouble. Imagine if the scences at the student protests had happened at a football match, the people involved would be getting 4 or 5 year sentances, no doubt about it. Yes there is a double standard but it is not liberals who have demanded such stiff penalties against football related violence - its the right wing press like the Mail and the Sun who always sensationalise any disturbance and then demand punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 and just when you thought there couldn't be more bellends in one place Supermikey turns up.... To be fair, i quite agree with you that you cant compare the two. however, whilst the students got out of hand the level of violence that occured is worse seen than at any EDL march, imagine if it had been they that attacked Prince Charles car, there would be public outcry, because it was a few middle class students its been largely brushed under the carpet. Regardless of if you agree with them or not though the liberal society that people want has granted them the right to voice their views it just seems that when some people act worse its dismissed as "getting out of hand" yet for others they are violent thugs intent on trouble. Imagine if the scences at the student protests had happened at a football match, the people involved would be getting 4 or 5 year sentances, no doubt about it. Personally I wouldn't have given a f*ck if the EDL had attacked the Royals' car because i'm not a royalist and don't really care for the Royal Family. The students had a more legitimate cause for protest than the EDL do imo, the 'Islamification of Europe' isn't something that people can control without extreme measures whereas the student protests were about policy changes - easily reversed. The whole EDL thing just comes across to me as a thinly-veiled cover for a bunch of louts to go and smash up some city centres. Which, I suppose, is what also happened at the student protests (thought i'd get in there with that one before you do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 The students had a more legitimate cause for protest than the EDL do imo, the 'Islamification of Europe' isn't something that people can control without extreme measures. I feel sorry for the students, but they have just got to get on with it because the last Labour government left us with the largest budget deficit in the G20. Money doesn't grow on trees. The issue of millitant Islam is something that can be controlled. Anyone who supports millitant Islam should be deported. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 Personally I wouldn't have given a f*ck if the EDL had attacked the Royals' car because i'm not a royalist and don't really care for the Royal Family. The students had a more legitimate cause for protest than the EDL do imo, the 'Islamification of Europe' isn't something that people can control without extreme measures whereas the student protests were about policy changes - easily reversed. The whole EDL thing just comes across to me as a thinly-veiled cover for a bunch of louts to go and smash up some city centres. Which, I suppose, is what also happened at the student protests (thought i'd get in there with that one before you do). says who..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 12 February, 2011 Share Posted 12 February, 2011 Anyone who supports millitant Islam should be deported. Problem solved. I'm a big fan of Militant Islam, although I preferred his earlier work when he went under the recording name of Cat Stevens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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