Sheaf Saint Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Of course they're not racists. They may well attract some from the far right, but in the main their supporters are moderate patriots just like me. So let me just make sure I'm understanding you here dune... The leader / spokesman is caught on camera stating that he '****ing hates pakis', and yet you STILL try and claim that he is not racist? I don't believe that anybody is capable of being either that stupid or that blinkered. But then, nothing really surprises me with you any more dune.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Least he was honest about his motives. More than we can say about Dune. The pennies are dropping, and Stanley is slowly revealing the monster. Do you know what - If this forum has become a home for these ****wit moronic racist dross of society' date=' spreading their vile and hatefilled propoganda... I'm off. These ****s are simply too stupid to listen and learn, and niether do they want to as they obviously have nothing worth while going on in their sad little lives that they need to fill it with hate. Pathetic.[/quote'] Well said, it's why I don't subscribe anymore. That limits me to 3 posts a day which I use for means other than arguing the toss with the far right, fascist, hate mongering "oh look I'm a changed person" eedjits on here. This type of person doesn't change.
Fowllyd Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Are we to take it, then, that you are no longer a supporter of either the BNP or the Ku Klux Klan? You've expressed your support and admiration for both those organisations in the past.
Special K Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 What a horrendous bunch of ****pigs. They can try and dress it up as much as they like, but they are a bunch of nasty racists.
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 The pennies are dropping, and Stanley is slowly revealing the monster. Well said, it's why I don't subscribe anymore. That limits me to 3 posts a day which I use for means other than arguing the toss with the far right, fascist, hate mongering "oh look I'm a changed person" eedjits on here. This type of person doesn't change. you had the measure of him ages ago andy,but its nice to know this sad little bigot has been found out and like alll racists try to convince us hes a patriot rather than a traitor.
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 What a horrendous bunch of ****pigs. They can try and dress it up as much as they like, but they are a bunch of nasty racists. i feel sorry for the pigs for being linked with that filth
dune Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 you had the measure of him ages ago andy,but its nice to know this sad little bigot has been found out and like alll racists try to convince us hes a patriot rather than a traitor. I don't what you or nyone else on here thinks. I'm a proud patriot.
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I don't what you or nyone else on here thinks. I'm a proud patriot. yes you are of nazi germany adolf, more like one of the traitors within.
Verbal Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I don't what you or nyone else on here thinks. I'm a proud patriot. I didn't have you down as a comedian, but that's pretty good.
buctootim Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 tbf its his patriotic duty to inform us we'd have been better off in an Anschluss with Nazi Germany.
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 tbf its his patriotic duty to inform us we'd have been better off in an Anschluss with Nazi Germany. i,ve got to agree dune the clown is coming out with some jokes,he really cracks me up. must have got his jokes from goebals in hitlers bunker.
Griffo Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 What is wrong with being patriotic? I am proud of my country and where I'm from..
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 What is wrong with being patriotic? I am proud of my country and where I'm from.. I think that those who are patriotic and fair minded might be placing their faith in the wrong hands should they wish for the EDL to carry out those objectives. Being patriotic and fair minded is one thing. Swelling the pride of patriotism with a large flush of latent racism is a different thing altogether.
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 What is wrong with being patriotic? I am proud of my country and where I'm from.. i think most people are patroitic mate but if you read the history books a lot of facists like moseley bnp edl pretended to being a patriot to hide their far right nazi views to recruit alot gullible people.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 The problem is that the EDL complain that people aren't patriotic any more when they are exactly the reason I'm embarassed to call myself 'English'.
SFKA South Woodford Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 As much as I can't stand Dune and the effluent that regularly comes through his keyboard, no one can call him a nazi! Nazi's were Nationalist Socialists and we all know what Dune thinks of Socialism. As we know, he would much rather see his capitalist "Greed is good" overlords and their buddies get rich off his and others hard work without a care or concern for him or their other workers, than see a collective responsibility for a decent standard of living for all nurtured to a point where it is seen as the natural way forward for the whole human race. Irony is lost on so many people, like those thousands of Russian tw*ts that march around with Swastikas doing the Nazi salute, they would of been there lining their own people up for a Nazi shower, until one day it became their turn to take one, I wonder whether they would have been happily reaching for their wash bags and soap on that day! Do they just choose to forget that Hitler hated their whole race and wanted them all wiped out?
Sour Mash Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 The problem is that the EDL complain that people aren't patriotic any more when they are exactly the reason I'm embarassed to call myself 'English'. You're embarassed to call yourself English?
Alanh Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 The problem the EDL have got is that they claim to be against extremist Muslims, effectively this means that they are targeting specific individuals which they can not or do not want to identify. As they are made up predominently of young white males and typically present themselves in large groups they come across as aggressive and threatening have little or no empathy with the Muslim community. As a result their message gets interpreted as being anti Muslim in general. This fine distinction is either too complicated for many of their members to understand or too difficult for their leaders to explain. It's been said many times by Muslim leaders that they are as anti extremism as the EDL claim to be. Surely the best way for the EDL, (or anyone else for that matter) to achieve their stared objectives would be to work with Muslim leaders and encourage extremism to be clamped down on from within the Mulsim community.
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 sorry mate i,ve heard all the same nonsense in the 1970s with the national front and their was plenty then who said it did not have crooks and pedos then but that turned out to be lies . let them join the army who are real heroes compared to that the sad little army of make believe edl toytown soldiers This.
Fowllyd Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Bit of finger trouble from me earlier. Work getting in the way of the interweb. My post: Are we to take it, then, that you are no longer a supporter of either the BNP or the Ku Klux Klan? You've expressed your support and admiration for both those organisations in the past. was in response to this one: Of course they're not racists. They may well attract some from the far right, but in the main their supporters are moderate patriots just like me. Any chance of an answer, now I've actually managed to include the quoted post?
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I dont see what your problem is. You lot are tolerant, you wanted this sort of society, the EDL have as much right to take to the streets and demostrate as gays, students, religious groups, industrial unions etc. You wanted this society and you helped create it. So stop getting yourselves at it and applaud them taking advantage of the rights you have allowed them.
Jonnyboy Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I dont see what your problem is. You lot are tolerant, you wanted this sort of society, the EDL have as much right to take to the streets and demostrate as gays, students, religious groups, industrial unions etc. You wanted this society and you helped create it. So stop getting yourselves at it and applaud them taking advantage of the rights you have allowed them. The tolerance is in the fact that what they do is legal in this sort of society. Doesnt mean it gets applauded.
Deppo Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Is there an emoticon pulling one of those mental faces you used to do at school? You know, where you put your tongue in front of your gums and below your lower lip when somebody said something that was really stupid? If not, there should be. Mods, can we sort one of them out please? You know, like this:
Deppo Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I dont see what your problem is. You lot are tolerant, you wanted this sort of society, the EDL have as much right to take to the streets and demostrate as gays, students, religious groups, industrial unions etc. You wanted this society and you helped create it. So stop getting yourselves at it and applaud them taking advantage of the rights you have allowed them.
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 The tolerance is in the fact that what they do is legal in this sort of society. Doesnt mean it gets applauded. you should applaud people taking to the streets and standing up for their beliefs...I bet you applauded the students..
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Why? As TDD says they are standing up for their beliefs. You lot are liberal, you should be delighted by it.
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 What a horrendous bunch of ****pigs. They can try and dress it up as much as they like, but they are a bunch of nasty racists. They are allowed to be, we live in a tolerant society where anything goes.
The Majestic Channon Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 you should applaud people taking to the streets and standing up for their beliefs...I bet you applauded the students.. Did you?
rocknrollman no2 Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 They are allowed to be, we live in a tolerant society where anything goes. Yes we do but to a point. Anyone can protest peacefully for what they believe in,but when they start to preach hatred and intolerance,then they should rightly be banned from doing so.
dune Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Yes we do but to a point. Anyone can protest peacefully for what they believe in,but when they start to preach hatred and intolerance,then they should rightly be banned from doing so. The EDL are protesting against people that do this.
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Did you? no..but I dont like the EDL either. would rather all forms of nutters/vandals were banned from protesting...
Sheaf Saint Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 The EDL are protesting against people that do this. Whilst doing exactly the same thing themselves behind a very thin veil of "patriotism".
Verbal Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I dont see what your problem is. You lot are tolerant, you wanted this sort of society, the EDL have as much right to take to the streets and demostrate as gays, students, religious groups, industrial unions etc. You wanted this society and you helped create it. So stop getting yourselves at it and applaud them taking advantage of the rights you have allowed them. I wouldn't have expected you to have grasped this simple point: tolerance tolerates anything BUT intolerance. Smashing the faces of young Asian women, attacking Asian businesses, trashing Asian houses, attacking anyone with a brown face in the safety of numbers, ad nauseum, is presumably your idea of freely expressed opinion. So simple to any sentient being - though not you, evidently.
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I wouldn't have expected you to have grasped this simple point: tolerance tolerates anything BUT intolerance. Smashing the faces of young Asian women, attacking Asian businesses, trashing Asian houses, attacking anyone with a brown face in the safety of numbers, ad nauseum, is presumably your idea of freely expressed opinion. So simple to any sentient being - though not you, evidently. Oh no, i get it. I just find it amazing that people can roundly condem the EDL for standing up for what they believe in, yet at the same time, giving the cyber round of applause to dear old Elton for his statement, whilst at the same time preaching equal rights. Dont forget we had people calling jesus and the apostles "knuckle draggers" on one thread for writing the bible and the beliefs of christianity. Who decides what we should and shouldn't tolerate anyway?
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I wouldn't have expected you to have grasped this simple point: tolerance tolerates anything BUT intolerance. Smashing the faces of young Asian women, attacking Asian businesses, trashing Asian houses, attacking anyone with a brown face in the safety of numbers, ad nauseum, is presumably your idea of freely expressed opinion. So simple to any sentient being - though not you, evidently. good post but your gone to get far right supporters who post on here sticking up for that nasty facist group whatever.
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 good post but your gone to get far right supporters who post on here sticking up for that nasty facist group whatever. I am not sticking up for anyone, but given how liberal you all are then you are hypocrites for critising the EDL for their beliefs.
Joensuu Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 Oh no, i get it. I just find it amazing that people can roundly condem the EDL for standing up for what they believe in, yet at the same time, giving the cyber round of applause to dear old Elton for his statement, whilst at the same time preaching equal rights. Nobody was 'appluding' Elton, we were rallying against people who are anti-homosexual adoption. That's a very different thing. At least 90% of the population would agree with anyone who roundly condems the EDL. Equal Rights are a cornerstone of modern legistlation, which IMO provide an essential base. Dont forget we had people calling jesus and the apostles "knuckle draggers" on one thread for writing the bible and the beliefs of christianity. 'Knuckle Draggers' is a completely unacceptable term, and it shouldn't have been used. Who decides what we should and shouldn't tolerate anyway? Each of us do, and do so on a daily basis.
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I am not sticking up for anyone, but given how liberal you all are then you are hypocrites for critising the EDL for their beliefs. i think its about making sure we never get nat front bnp edl type nazism taken route and becoming respectable . don,t understand your point about liberal .................but i suppose anyone who does not agree with you is a liberal i suppose
Joensuu Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I am not sticking up for anyone, but given how liberal you all are then you are hypocrites for critising the EDL for their beliefs. There is nothing illiberal when it comes to pointing out the intolerances of an abhorrent organisation, who are hiding their true intentions behind a mask of PR and vailed acceptability. Thankfully, it's not just liberals who can see the EDL for there true colours - hense why David Cameron described them as 'terrible people'. All people who truely love this country should rally against them.
Fowllyd Posted 10 February, 2011 Posted 10 February, 2011 I am not sticking up for anyone, but given how liberal you all are then you are hypocrites for critising the EDL for their beliefs. So what should they be criticised for then? Their dress sense perhaps? How and why is it illiberal to disagree with somebody else's beliefs? Or hypocritical, for that matter? Given that it's impossible to agree with everyone, ergo it's unavoidable to disagree with people, so your argument makes no sense at all. The issue with the EDL, however, is not simply about what they believe; it's also about the way they behave. For example, they make themselves out to be pacific, non-racist and not anti-muslim, all three of which claims are clearly false; they also organise marches which are deliberately intended to intimidate and provoke, much as the National Front used to do back in the 1970s and Mosley's Fascists did in the 1930s.
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 (edited) So what should they be criticised for then? Their dress sense perhaps? How and why is it illiberal to disagree with somebody else's beliefs? Or hypocritical, for that matter? Given that it's impossible to agree with everyone, ergo it's unavoidable to disagree with people, so your argument makes no sense at all. The issue with the EDL, however, is not simply about what they believe; it's also about the way they behave. For example, they make themselves out to be pacific, non-racist and not anti-muslim, all three of which claims are clearly false; they also organise marches which are deliberately intended to intimidate and provoke, much as the National Front used to do back in the 1970s and Mosley's Fascists did in the 1930s. But this is the society you lot wanted. Tolerant, liberal, freedom of speech. Like it or not, the EDL have as much right to march and hold their views under the society you want as anyone. Despite all these horror stories about how they act there were far more arrests at the student protests. I never see EDL members smashing up police vans and throwing fire extingishers off of buildings into crowds. One might think that the way they supposedly act is a media driven campaign to make them look bad? As the facts figures of arrests and actual violence make them appear to be the pacifists that they claim to be compared to the middle class students and the UAF. People want it both ways, they want a free liberal society but they only want it if people agree with the views they hold. It hyprocritical, if you cant except the EDL and live and let live, then you are as bad as them. In the society you want the EDL and BNP have as much right to be here as anyone else. Edited 11 February, 2011 by Turkish
notnowcato Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 But this is the society you lot wanted. Tolerant, liberal, freedom of speech. Like it or not, the EDL have as much right to march and hold their views under the society you want as anyone. Despite all these horror stories about how they act there were far more arrests at the student protests. I never see EDL members smashing up police vans and throwing fire extingishers off of buildings into crowds. One might think that the way they supposedly act is a media driven campaign to make them look bad? As the facts figures of arrests and actual violence make them appear to be the pacifists that they claim to be compared to the middle class students and the UAF. People want it both ways, they want a free liberal society but they only want it if people agree with the views they hold. It hyprocritical, if you cant expect the EDL and live and let live, then you are as bad as them. In the society you want the EDL and BNP have as much right to be here as anyone else. You are an idiot.... it's as simple as that.
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 (edited) You are an idiot.... it's as simple as that. I'd rather be thought an idiot than be a hypocrite that says one thing but does another. Are you saying the EDL have no right to march? Are you saying that the EDL marches were more violent than the student protests? Why am i an idiot? Because i am questioning the mainstream view on here and outed you all as narrow minded hyprocrites, the very thing that you claim not to be? Edited 11 February, 2011 by Turkish
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 i think its about making sure we never get nat front bnp edl type nazism taken route and becoming respectable . don,t understand your point about liberal .................but i suppose anyone who does not agree with you is a liberal i suppose It's quite a simple concept to grasp. Many of you profess to be liberal and are all for freedom of speech, yet at the same time are condeming the EDL for voicing their beliefs. You all claim they are a violent group that intimidate but i was called an idiot for stating the fact that the student protests were far more violent. It seems many of you are liberal only when it suits and freedom of speech is only allowed if it is what you believe in. Liberal? I'd say hyprocrites is more appropriate.
Verbal Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 It's quite a simple concept to grasp. Many of you profess to be liberal and are all for freedom of speech, yet at the same time are condeming the EDL for voicing their beliefs. You all claim they are a violent group that intimidate but i was called an idiot for stating the fact that the student protests were far more violent. It seems many of you are liberal only when it suits and freedom of speech is only allowed if it is what you believe in. Liberal? I'd say hyprocrites is more appropriate. Before you hyperventilate your brain into total annihilation, you were called an idiot, I think, for basically just making stuff up to wind yourself up! Well done, on that score. Two examples of self-generated fantasies: 'coffee with milk' can be said; 'black coffee' cannot. Hilarious. And 'no one condemned the violence of the student protest.' Of course they did, but you didn't see it because you view every message on here with a little bit of flea-bitten cardboard held up to your eyes to screen out the bits you don't want to read in case you disappear in a malodorous puff.
saint.tom.clancy Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 I have to say its become quite clear the EDL is attracting a lot of support, compare it to a year or so ago when hardly anyone had heard of them, they now have over 76,000 supporters on their facebook page... I agree in principle with their motivation and message they try to get across, about how this country is happy to stand by and let EXTREMIST muslims (note not all muslims) protest/burn poppies/disrespect war heroes as its their right to do so, as its what makes our country so "great". As soon as it's the other way around, they're vile nasty racists. But lets be honest, there's not a lot of places to turn for the white working class man, seeing how much the government and different parties have f*cked them over the past few years. The more attention they get, the more supporters they will get. I can see them becoming a lot bigger over the next few years, and a lot more organised so i expect you wont be seeing much more violence at their demos or racist videos on youtube/the sun etc. Add to the fact that the UAF are quite often as much to blame as the EDL for violence, its funny how they dont quite get tarred with the same brush...
Joensuu Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 I condem all violence, whether caused by students, or the EDF, or by any group or individual.
Turkish Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 Before you hyperventilate your brain into total annihilation, you were called an idiot, I think, for basically just making stuff up to wind yourself up! Well done, on that score. Two examples of self-generated fantasies: 'coffee with milk' can be said; 'black coffee' cannot. Hilarious. And 'no one condemned the violence of the student protest.' Of course they did, but you didn't see it because you view every message on here with a little bit of flea-bitten cardboard held up to your eyes to screen out the bits you don't want to read in case you disappear in a malodorous puff. Self generated fantasies? Really? Check your facts before you condemn you utter clown. Oh you dont do you, because you can have a pop at me because i dont fit in with your "liberal" belief systems. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-122217507.html
Verbal Posted 11 February, 2011 Posted 11 February, 2011 Self generated fantasies? Really? Check your facts before you condemn you utter clown. Oh you dont do you, because you can have a pop at me because i dont fit in with your "liberal" belief systems. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-122217507.html Funny. The difference between you and Deppo is that he winds you up and you do it to yourself. You presented the stupidity of someone else as widespread. It is idiotic to suggest that it is now 'PC' to say 'coffee with milk'. Utter crap, and I'm sure there is a grain of sense in you that recognises it. And the second fantasy of yours, on which you didn't comment? I imagine from the tenor of your vitriolic little gems that you suffer from high blood pressure. Calm down, otherwise you'll explode and we'll have to get Mr Wolfe out.
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