scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 You're comparing apples and oranges there though. Homosexuality and paedophillia are two completely different issue. The former is a consenting relationship between two adults and nobody is being abused (unless they're into the kind of thing). Paedophillia is an adult sexually abusing a child against there will and is a disgusting crime. Homosexuality was only outlawed because people saw it as being unnatural and against God, whereas now it has been proven to be a naturally occuring 'annomaly' and people are a lot less religious. Paedophillia on the other hand will never be regarded as being morally acceptable. I agree, a mother and father is the most natural and therefore the ideal set-up for a child. We don't live in a world of ideals however. We live in a world where there are single parents, divorced couples, families with fathers working abroad etc. All of these are generally fine and I think homosexuality falls into the same bracket. Tell that to the Pitcairn islanders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Tell that to the Pitcairn islanders The Pitcairn Islanders who were paedophiles? Pitcairn being one fo the most remote islands, with a population of 40 odd, where traditionally the age of consent is 12. Your point is not really relevant to the wider discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 The Pitcairn Islanders who were paedophiles? Pitcairn being one fo the most remote islands, with a population of 40 odd, where traditionally the age of consent is 12. Your point is not really relevant to the wider discussion. It wasnt meant to be relevant to the wider discussion, I was addressing the point Lighthouse made about paedophilia having no prospect of becoming morally acceptable. It obviously was in Pitcairn until the NZ government stepped in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 (edited) You're comparing apples and oranges there though. Homosexuality and paedophillia are two completely different issue. The former is a consenting relationship between two adults and nobody is being abused (unless they're into the kind of thing). Paedophillia is an adult sexually abusing a child against there will and is a disgusting crime. Homosexuality was only outlawed because people saw it as being unnatural and against God, whereas now it has been proven to be a naturally occuring 'annomaly' and people are a lot less religious. Paedophillia on the other hand will never be regarded as being morally acceptable.I agree, a mother and father is the most natural and therefore the ideal set-up for a child. We don't live in a world of ideals however. We live in a world where there are single parents, divorced couples, families with fathers working abroad etc. All of these are generally fine and I think homosexuality falls into the same bracket. What you mean like comapring the life of a child to driving a car or owning a dog? I bet if you asked someone in 1940 if they ever thought homosexuality would be legal they'd have said it never would be as well, but it did. Nothing would surprise me as this society digs itself further into the gutter. Edited 10 February, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 You're comparing apples and oranges there though. Homosexuality and paedophillia are two completely different issue. The former is a consenting relationship between two adults and nobody is being abused (unless they're into the kind of thing). Paedophillia is an adult sexually abusing a child against there will and is a disgusting crime. Homosexuality was only outlawed because people saw it as being unnatural and against God, whereas now it has been proven to be a naturally occuring 'annomaly' and people are a lot less religious. Paedophillia on the other hand will never be regarded as being morally acceptable. I agree, a mother and father is the most natural and therefore the ideal set-up for a child. We don't live in a world of ideals however. We live in a world where there are single parents, divorced couples, families with fathers working abroad etc. All of these are generally fine and I think homosexuality falls into the same bracket. good post now you watch them preach us about morals and how we are heading for the cesspit of hell . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 What you mean like comapring the life of a child to driving a car or owning a dog? I bet if you asked someone in 1940 if they ever thought homosexuality would be legal they'd have said it never would be as well, but it did. Nothing would surprise me as this society digs itself further into the gutter. If you look around that miserablist gutter, you'll find you're the only one there. The rest of us our having fun in ways of our own choosing. You sound like you're in desperate need of some happy pills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 If you look around that miserablist gutter, you'll find you're the only one there. The rest of us our having fun in ways of our own choosing. You sound like you're in desperate need of some happy pills. far from it, this place is always a good place to come to cheer you up, makes you realise how many wierdos there are out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 It wasnt meant to be relevant to the wider discussion, I was addressing the point Lighthouse made about paedophilia having no prospect of becoming morally acceptable. It obviously was in Pitcairn until the NZ government stepped in. There is a massive difference between what will pass as acceptible in civilised society and what goes on on remote Pacific islands. You only have to look at Al Qaeda or Waco to see what can happen when a bunch of misfits are isolated from society, under the leadership of a complete nutcase. The day sexually abusing children becomes legal in Britain I will jump off a bridge, because if that's considered acceptable I'm done with the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 What you mean like comapring the life of a child to driving a car or owning a dog? I bet if you asked someone in 1940 if they ever thought homosexuality would be legal they'd have said it never would be as well, but it did. Nothing would surprise me as this society digs itself further into the gutter. If you'd said to me... "50 years from now public nudity in summer will become the norm. We will all go to work naked because it's perfectly natural. Then, in their lunch break, married men would bend their secretary over the desk and give her a good seeing to because sex is perfectly natural." ... then I'd take your point. That would be an example of something not considered acceptable in present society, which could conceivably become acceptable over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 If you'd said to me... "50 years from now public nudity in summer will become the norm. We will all go to work naked because it's perfectly natural. Then, in their lunch break, married men would bend their secretary over the desk and give her a good seeing to because sex is perfectly natural." ... then I'd take your point. That would be an example of something not considered acceptable in present society, which could conceivably become acceptable over time. If you speak to the older generation, grandparents etc, many still have a view that homosexuality is disgusting, in the same way that every right minded person thinks this about peadophillia today. There is no way on earth that 70 years ago people would accept that homosexuality be not only legalised, but fashionable, in every paper magazine and tv programme and gay people will be adopting and raising children. I think you are missing the point, i am not saying they are similar, or homosexuals are like peadophiles, of course they aren't but the fact is that the views of society on them were similar, albeit a couple of generations apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 If you speak to the older generation, grandparents etc, many still have a view that homosexuality is disgusting, in the same way that every right minded person thinks this about peadophillia today. There is no way on earth that 70 years ago people would accept that homosexuality be not only legalised, but fashionable, in every paper magazine and tv programme and gay people will be adopting and raising children. I think you are missing the point, i am not saying they are similar, or homosexuals are like peadophiles, of course they aren't but the fact is that the views of society on them were similar, albeit a couple of generations apart. Sadly you don't have to go back generations to find people that find homosexuality disgusting. Some might say that your labelling homosexuality as "fashionable" would put you in that camp... a collective term rather than a characteristic! The abuse of children will not be tolerated, I would put my life ahead of allowing that to happen as would many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 (edited) If you speak to the older generation, grandparents etc, many still have a view that homosexuality is disgusting, in the same way that every right minded person thinks this about peadophillia today. There is no way on earth that 70 years ago people would accept that homosexuality be not only legalised, but fashionable, in every paper magazine and tv programme and gay people will be adopting and raising children. I think you are missing the point, i am not saying they are similar, or homosexuals are like peadophiles, of course they aren't but the fact is that the views of society on them were similar, albeit a couple of generations apart. Clearly you have never heard of lemon party* *If I'm right, don't google it. Edited 10 February, 2011 by Lighthouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Sadly you don't have to go back generations to find people that find homosexuality disgusting. Some might say that your labelling homosexuality as "fashionable" would put you in that camp... a collective term rather than a characteristic! The abuse of children will not be tolerated, I would put my life ahead of allowing that to happen as would many. And yet children are subject to abuse through the media much worse than they used to be. I don't think it will happen but I can see the point Turkish is trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Sadly you don't have to go back generations to find people that find homosexuality disgusting. Some might say that your labelling homosexuality as "fashionable" would put you in that camp... a collective term rather than a characteristic! The abuse of children will not be tolerated, I would put my life ahead of allowing that to happen as would many. Lets hope you are right, however i am of the view that people that engage in this sort of behaviour should be subject to the toughest possible sentances, in some cases i'd even bring back the death penalty. I've noticed a definiate weakening from the courts towards this sort of offence over the past 5 years or so. It seems that the current view is they dont need prison, they need help for their problems, which is criminal in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 There is a massive difference between what will pass as acceptible in civilised society and what goes on on remote Pacific islands. You only have to look at Al Qaeda or Waco to see what can happen when a bunch of misfits are isolated from society, under the leadership of a complete nutcase. The day sexually abusing children becomes legal in Britain I will jump off a bridge, because if that's considered acceptable I'm done with the world. I agree entirely. I was saying that what Turkish suggested in an earlier post, ie that who can tell given the massive changes over recent history as to whats acceptable and whats not whether paedophilia might be considered acceptable in 70 years time, (Im paraphrasing, couldnt be arsed to find it and paste,) is not unreasonable. We are constantly being told about the ever-younger sexualisation of children so who knows what the situation will be 70 years from now? Doesnt make it right, but that doesnt mean it wont happen. I bet if you stepped back to 1930 and told everyone that in 80 years time, not only would homosexuality be legal but that homosexual 'marriage' between two members of the same sex would carry the same legal force as a conventional marriage you would have been laughed out of court or lynched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 come on Deppo, wadda yah think? They are all waiting for someone like you to say its right or wrong so they can all join in. This really annoys you doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 This really annoys you doesn't it? what you hijacking every post with your sh*t? Nah, its only the internet, some people take it too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 One or two massive homophobes on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 what you hijacking every post with your sh*t? Nah, its only the internet, some people take it too seriously. Play it nice and cool, Trig. Nice and cool, you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Play it nice and cool, Trig. Nice and cool, you know what I mean. nah, you're cramping my style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 One or two massive homophobes on this thread I demand a recount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Shush Griffo, you're not allowed to say that on here, you are meant to say that it's perfectly fine, up to him and good luck to him/her/it. it doesn't matter if it's totally unnatural and freaky, afterall, we drive cars dont we, FFS. well, it kind of is! who are you to decide what a person can or cant do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 He's Turkish, Queen of the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 One or two massive homophobes on this thread And one with an oddly homoerotic avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 And one with an oddly homoerotic avatar. lol, I'll have you know my snowman is a tribute to Franny, not a gay porn star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 lol, I'll have you know my snowman is a tribute to Franny, not a gay porn star! Think he may have meant Turkish - but interesting you think snowmen could be classed as homoerotic. Weird, but interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Think he may have meant Turkish - but interesting you think snowmen could be classed as homoerotic. Weird, but interesting. Yeah I did get that, I just wanted to talk about me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 was it elton who had the baby:rolleyes:mary whitehouse would be disgusted with all this filthy perversion going on if she was still above. i blame it all on when the women were allowed to show a glimpse of their ankle he he;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 was it elton who had the baby:rolleyes:mary whitehouse would be disgusted with all this filthy perversion going on if she was still above. i blame it all on when the women were allowed to show a glimpse of their ankle he he;) mmmmmmmmmm, ankles........[drools] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 mmmmmmmmmm, ankles........[drools] if i remember rightly i,m sure dune went to turkey for his holiday,i suppose that how he got some turkish inside him:rolleyes: might be why they are so close:blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 if i remember rightly i,m sure dune went to turkey for his holiday,i suppose that how he got some turkish inside him:rolleyes: might be why they are so close:blush: sorry solent, youve set me off on womens ankles now, cant concentrate on much else dune would also probably be able to tell you that the victorians used to cover the legs of grand pianos with fabric in case the sight of them inflamed mens senses. true story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 11 February, 2011 Share Posted 11 February, 2011 Think he may have meant Turkish - but interesting you think snowmen could be classed as homoerotic. Weird, but interesting. Come on.... we've all got a weakness. Are you trying to tell me you've never wondered what it would be like with a snowman?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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