Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 so come on the you lot, i know its old news but how many of you lot think this is fine and acceptable and well done him? I am sure some of you will.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-546072/American-man-claims-months-pregnant-baby-girl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Considering that 'he' was a 'her' to start with it's all a bit academic. Astounded that the male hormone treatment hadn't totally steralised 'it.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Considering that 'he' was a 'her' to start with it's all a bit academic. Astounded that the male hormone treatment hadn't totally steralised 'it.' So you don think it's a bit mental and totally immoral then? A woman thinking she is a man but then deciding "it" still wants children and getting pregenant. Totally normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Tricky. I can accept the whole gender reassignment concept: for those totally convinced they were born the wrong sex etc. But one or the other surely?? Not sure the whole concept of picking and choosing which male and female bits you want to keep sits too well with me. Call me old-fashioned... Surprised the Fail haven't found a way to work a swipe at Cortese in there somewhere though ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 So you don think it's a bit mental and totally immoral then? A woman thinking she is a man but then deciding "it" still wants children and getting pregenant. Totally normal. i take it you write for the victorian moral daily mail rag then:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 i take it you write for the victorian moral daily mail rag then:) There is nothing wrong with holiding traditional moral values, repecting the traditional family unit for example. This country was a lot less f*cked up, with a lot fewer people with "mental problems" when people did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 There is nothing wrong with holiding traditional moral values, repecting the traditional family unit for example. This country was a lot less f*cked up, with a lot fewer people with "mental problems" when people did. yes it was great when we could send kids of 10 to clean chimneys and out to work and have 15 kids while the masters abused young kids and back street abortions and everybody wed and tell them to just say n ooh how we miss those victorian values of morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 It's it just me who's conscious of the enormous delta between Victorian era child exploitation, and some sort of pick n' mix approach to gender reassignment?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 yes it was great when we could send kids of 10 to clean chimneys and out to work and have 15 kids while the masters abused young kids and back street abortions and everybody wed and tell them to just say n ooh how we miss those victorian values of morals. Where have i mentioned Victorian? It's only you and the other dinlows on here that are probably flicking through this weeks Hello magazing that are talking about that. I said traditional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Seems pretty fine and acceptable to me, well done him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Where have i mentioned Victorian? It's only you and the other dinlows on here that are probably flicking through this weeks Hello magazing that are talking about that. I said traditional. well its dinlows like you posting all this weird stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 well its dinlows like you posting all this weird stuff It's not wierd. Its a very simple question which you dont seem to have the capacity to answer. Is it morally correct for a woman to have an op to become a man, then have a child? Yes or no. (quick, have a look online and see what everyone else thinks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 It's not wierd. Its a very simple question which you dont seem to have the capacity to answer. Is it morally correct for a woman to have an op to become a man, then have a child? Yes or no. (quick, have a look online and see what everyone else thinks) i know nothing about the person and only people involved can answer that,it has no bearing on me living my life but its what i expect daily mail readers to poke their nose into thing to do with the modern world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 i know nothing about the person and only people involved can answer that,it has no bearing on me living my life but its what i expect daily mail readers to poke their nose into thing to do with the modern world. So i was right then, you are incapable of making your mind up for yourself. Dont worry, i am sure there will be a few more posts on here yet, you can decide then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 (edited) Very strange. Shush Griffo, you're not allowed to say that on here, you are meant to say that it's perfectly fine, up to him and good luck to him/her/it. it doesn't matter if it's totally unnatural and freaky, afterall, we drive cars dont we, FFS. Edited 9 February, 2011 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Don't you live with a woman you aren't married to Turkish? Not very traditional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Don't you live with a woman you aren't married to Turkish? Not very traditional. i think he had a civil partnership with june at the headquarters of the daily mail:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Don't you live with a woman you aren't married to Turkish? Not very traditional. Have you just made that up Buctootim? I dont ever remember saying that at all. Not that it's any of your business or has got anything to do with the OP, but i live with a woman and am married. So stop mugging yourself off by making up stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 i think he had a civil partnership with june at the headquarters of the daily mail:lol: June? Brilliant! How long did it take you to think that one up? I see your sense of humour is as clever as your opinions. Interesting that most of you Divs can bring yourself to say if this fella/bird is right or wrong to do this though, waiting for a TSW superstar to nail their colours to the mast before you jump on the bandwagon?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Don't you live with a woman you aren't married to Turkish? Not very traditional. Stop mugging yourself off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Have you just made that up Buctootim? I dont ever remember saying that at all. Not that it's any of your business or has got anything to do with the OP, but i live with a woman and am married. So stop mugging yourself off by making up stories. Genuine question. I thought you had referred to girlfriend, not a wife. Are you married to the woman you live with or married to someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Are you married to the woman you live with? no i'm gay and we are raising a child together and she had had a sex op and is now a pregenant man. Why the interest? I'm not available, i know you would want me to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Stop mugging yourself off come on Deppo, wadda yah think? They are all waiting for someone like you to say its right or wrong so they can all join in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Considering that 'he' was a 'her' to start with it's all a bit academic. Exactly. The press made it out to be groundbreaking but it's just a woman that looks like a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Have you just made that up Buctootim? I dont ever remember saying that at all. Not that it's any of your business or has got anything to do with the OP, but i live with a woman and am married. So stop mugging yourself off by making up stories. How about sex before marriage? Is that a "traditional" value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Exactly. The press made it out to be groundbreaking but it's just a woman that looks like a man. Quite. Now if a biological male fell pregnant, that's a whole other story. I would be sharpening my pitchfork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I bet Turks has flipped over a few ladyboys in his time on those holidays in thailand. No harm in admitting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I bet Turks has flipped over a few ladyboys in his time on those holidays in thailand. No harm in admitting it Might even have got one or two of them up the duff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Might even have got one or two of them up the duff. I dont doubt it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Exactly. The press made it out to be groundbreaking but it's just a woman that looks like a man. Not exactly, "it" had a partial sex change, so is part man part woman, its a bit more than simply a woman that looks like a bloke otherwise Sally Gunnell getting pregenant would make headline news. One minute our bearded lady wants to be a bloke, the next it wants to be a woman and have kids. No doubt some of this lot will think there is nothing wrong with it as long as the kids gets a few extra presents under the tree at christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 A bit off tangent - but if someone has a sex change - do they have to get a new passport and register with Dept of Births or whatever etc to reflect "the change"? Might be a good ruse to get earlier retirement later in life LOL. Meanwhile which changing rooms / toilets does the lady/bloke use? What sort of surroundings is the child likely to be brought up in? Totally bizarre but probably a hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 You're a tit at times, entertaining sometimes but in the main a bit of a ccok. There - "black and white" enough for you? Or should I just think you are a ccok and be done with it? Solent has made his mind up, he wishes to remain openminded about it. Why do you have a problem with that? Why do you judge people that may wish to let others live their lives how they see fit. No laws have been broken here. No one has been hurt. The relationship this child has / is to be born into has every chance of being as dysfunctional as a traditional family set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 You're a tit at times, entertaining sometimes but in the main a bit of a ccok. There - "black and white" enough for you? Or should I just think you are a ccok and be done with it? Solent has made his mind up, he wishes to remain openminded about it. Why do you have a problem with that? Why do you judge people that may wish to let others live their lives how they see fit. No laws have been broken here. No one has been hurt. The relationship this child has / is to be born into has every chance of being as dysfunctional as a traditional family set up. Think what you like, unlike some i have no interest in becoming an internet superstar like some on here seem to dream of. I find it quite strange that you dont seem to think there is anything wrong with a pick n mix approach to gender and child birth. It'll be great for the kid, not knowing if is mum/dad is a man or a woman. Good luck to them though, they as long as they are happy. I'm sure the way society is going in 20 years times peadophiles wont be considered sick f*cks anymore, they are just living their life as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 so come on the you lot, i know its old news but how many of you lot think this is fine and acceptable and well done him? I am sure some of you will.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-546072/American-man-claims-months-pregnant-baby-girl.html It's only of any concern to pitchfork enthusiasts and desperately immature bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 EOA In response to your questions A bit off tangent - but if someone has a sex change - do they have to get a new passport and register with Dept of Births or whatever etc to reflect "the change"? You can change your name before you have the change once you have gone through quite rigid medical, psychiatric counselling etc You can not change your name on the Birth certificate until you have the full surgical intervention and treatment Might be a good ruse to get earlier retirement later in life LOL. This is not true and with the equalisation of the default retirement age in october this is not going to be an issue but there will be those that scam it Meanwhile which changing rooms / toilets does the lady/bloke use? There was an employment case that ruled on this due to protest in a work place. they use the appropriate toilet to their new gender. I think the daily mail story is not giving all the facts so I tend to disbelive it. In the UK Im pretty sure you would not be allowed to pick and choose and besides it is offensive to those who who genuinely were born the wrong sex. Its hard for all those concerned. My source is very real . My son is going through this process , I have known for a couple of years I was shocked and saddened at first when he confided in me. but I have lost a son but have gained a daughter . but occassionally i call him by his birth name. So those that want to mock (apart from the Daily Mail article) get your facts right about gender reassignment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Think what you like, unlike some i have no interest in becoming an internet superstar like some on here seem to dream of. I find it quite strange that you dont seem to think there is anything wrong with a pick n mix approach to gender and child birth. It'll be great for the kid, not knowing if is mum/dad is a man or a woman. Good luck to them though, they as long as they are happy. I'm sure the way society is going in 20 years times peadophiles wont be considered sick f*cks anymore, they are just living their life as they see fit. Lets not mix law breaking actions with those that are not. Paedophilia is a different topic entirely and has no relevance to the original post. I have no evidence before me as to why single gender parents are in fact bad for the child. Maybe you could enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Lets not mix law breaking actions with those that are not. Paedophilia is a different topic entirely and has no relevance to the original post. I have no evidence before me as to why single gender parents are in fact bad for the child. Maybe you could enlighten me. They are very likely to get the plss ripped out of them at school, for starters. Then again, having an idiotic christian name would probably have a similar effect.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 EOA In response to your questions A bit off tangent - but if someone has a sex change - do they have to get a new passport and register with Dept of Births or whatever etc to reflect "the change"? You can change your name before you have the change once you have gone through quite rigid medical, psychiatric counselling etc You can not change your name on the Birth certificate until you have the full surgical intervention and treatment Might be a good ruse to get earlier retirement later in life LOL. This is not true and with the equalisation of the default retirement age in october this is not going to be an issue but there will be those that scam it Meanwhile which changing rooms / toilets does the lady/bloke use? There was an employment case that ruled on this due to protest in a work place. they use the appropriate toilet to their new gender. I think the daily mail story is not giving all the facts so I tend to disbelive it. In the UK Im pretty sure you would not be allowed to pick and choose and besides it is offensive to those who who genuinely were born the wrong sex. Its hard for all those concerned. My source is very real . My son is going through this process , I have known for a couple of years I was shocked and saddened at first when he confided in me. but I have lost a son but have gained a daughter . but occassionally i call him by his birth name. So those that want to mock (apart from the Daily Mail article) get your facts right about gender reassignment Top man and dad, Viking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 They are very likely to get the plss ripped out of them at school, for starters. Then again, having an idiotic christian name would probably have a similar effect.. That is not the fault of the parents of the child in question. More the fauilt of the parents of the bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Lets not mix law breaking actions with those that are not. Paedophilia is a different topic entirely and has no relevance to the original post. I have no evidence before me as to why single gender parents are in fact bad for the child. Maybe you could enlighten me. Correct me if i am wrong but isn't being gay against the law in some countries and was in Britain until the 60's? And before i get accused of homophobia again, i am not saying that i agree with this, i am stating a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Correct me if i am wrong but isn't being gay against the law in some countries and was in Britain until the 60's? And before i get accused of homophobia again, i am not saying that i agree with this, i am stating a fact. Lets not mix the case in point with other countries legislation, or legislation from the past. Unless you are suggesting that other countries have it right or that we should return to the 1960's? Do you have evidence that single gender parenting is in fact bad? Or maybe I should rephrase that, do you have evidence that the traditional family set up is better than single gender relationship for the child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Not exactly, "it" had a partial sex change, so is part man part woman, its a bit more than simply a woman that looks like a bloke otherwise Sally Gunnell getting pregenant would make headline news. One minute our bearded lady wants to be a bloke, the next it wants to be a woman and have kids. No doubt some of this lot will think there is nothing wrong with it as long as the kids gets a few extra presents under the tree at christmas. You misunderstand the point I was making and that is that the press made it out to be a scientific breakthrough when it wasn't. I wasn't commenting on the ethics, and to be honest "it" is still a woman that is just dressing up as a man (with a few extra accesories) so I don't think it's as bad as Elton and his boyfriend adopting because basically it's still a man and a woman having a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Lets not mix the case in point with other countries legislation, or legislation from the past. Unless you are suggesting that other countries have it right or that we should return to the 1960's? Do you have evidence that single gender parenting is in fact bad? Or maybe I should rephrase that, do you have evidence that the traditional family set up is better than single gender relationship for the child? As per my comment above that i am not saying i think its right, or did you conviniently not see that? What i am suggesting is that 50 years ago in the UK it was illegal to be gay and 80 years ago unthinkable that it ever would be legal. What is to say that in the UK in 50 years time the same isn't the case with peadophiles? The way this country is going with everyone being able to justify their behaviour by blaming it on some mental problem nothing would surprise me. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373399-married-parents-are-best-admits-blairite-think-tank.do It's unarguable that a child is at it's happiest when raise by its parents. Why do unhappy couples stay together for the sake of their kids? Because people know this and parents put their kids first above all else. Yes you can quote examples of crap parents, but when there a millions you will always get some bad examples. Dont worry though, you go against 1000's of years of family values, scientific and government evidence and general common sense and keep your media spun "modern" views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Correct me if i am wrong but isn't being gay against the law in some countries and was in Britain until the 60's? And before i get accused of homophobia again, i am not saying that i agree with this, i am stating a fact. Why state it though, what relevance does it have? Lots of perfectly acceptable practices were outlawed in the past and many are still outlawed abroad. I assume you are refering to the strongly Islamic countries, who oppose homosexuality on religious grounds. Countries where you can get beaten for being drunk, women can't drive cars and the lives of Christians are valued at litterally half that of Muslims. As for this case, it's tricky and it really comes down to the individuals concerned. If they are just like any other normal couple then it isn't really much of an issue. If on the other hand a person just has surgery and cross-dresses out of some freaky sexual fettish they clearly aren't good candidates for raising a child. In this particular case it's the "man" who has given birth to the child, which is a little odd. I don't agree with it because if you're going to have a sex change then make your mind up, one or the other. Does this mean they shouldn't be able to raise the child? Not nescessarily, but it depends on the individuals concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Why state it though, what relevance does it have? Lots of perfectly acceptable practices were outlawed in the past and many are still outlawed abroad. I assume you are refering to the strongly Islamic countries, who oppose homosexuality on religious grounds. Countries where you can get beaten for being drunk, women can't drive cars and the lives of Christians are valued at litterally half that of Muslims. As for this case, it's tricky and it really comes down to the individuals concerned. If they are just like any other normal couple then it isn't really much of an issue. If on the other hand a person just has surgery and cross-dresses out of some freaky sexual fettish they clearly aren't good candidates for raising a child. In this particular case it's the "man" who has given birth to the child, which is a little odd. I don't agree with it because if you're going to have a sex change then make your mind up, one or the other. Does this mean they shouldn't be able to raise the child? Not nescessarily, but it depends on the individuals concerned. He was making a point about breaking laws and i was merely making the point that in some countries and in the not to distant past in this very country, homosexuality was illegal. I am sure in the 30's and 40's homosexuals were viewed as sick and immoral, certainly most of our grandparents would have held that view. I didn't say i agree with it, just making the point that what is what it was. I agree with some Islamic countries views though, women should not be allowed to drive cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 As per my comment above that i am not saying i think its right, or did you conviniently not see that? What i am suggesting is that 50 years ago in the UK it was illegal to be gay and 80 years ago unthinkable that it ever would be legal. What is to say that in the UK in 50 years time the same isn't the case with peadophiles? The way this country is going with everyone being able to justify their behaviour by blaming it on some mental problem nothing would surprise me. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373399-married-parents-are-best-admits-blairite-think-tank.do It's unarguable that a child is at it's happiest when raise by its parents. Why do unhappy couples stay together for the sake of their kids? Because people know this and parents put their kids first above all else. Yes you can quote examples of crap parents, but when there a millions you will always get some bad examples. Dont worry though, you go against 1000's of years of family values, scientific and government evidence and general common sense and keep your media spun "modern" views. What has paedophilia got to do with this discussion? Why are you desparate to link paedophilia with the legalisation of same sex relationships? Of course a child is happy when being raised by it's parents, I will not agree that this level of happiness is the same when the parents do not love each other. Thanks for the link to the media spun "modern" view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2011 What has paedophilia got to do with this discussion? Why are you desparate to link paedophilia with the legalisation of same sex relationships? Of course a child is happy when being raised by it's parents, I will not agree that this level of happiness is the same when the parents do not love each other. Thanks for the link to the media spun "modern" view... Why are you incapable of reading posts properly without spinning them to suit your agenda?? You were the one who started going on about breaking the law. I simply pointed out that 50 years ago it was illegal to be gay in the country and still is in some lands. 70 years ago it was unthinkable for homosexuality to be legal in Britain, what is to say the same wont be the case for paedophillia in 70 years time? Hardly "desperate" to link the two. You asked me to prove the traditional family set up is better. There are currently few studies against same sex parenting because it is a relatively new fashion, although i am sure if any futures studies were negative then they would be spun to look positive as saying anything remotely anti gay makes you homophobic doesn't it. My link proves the government have researched the values of a traditional family set up and proven that this is the best for a child against alternatives, i dont see why adding researching same sex parenting would result in any other conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Why are you incapable of reading posts properly without spinning them to suit your agenda?? You were the one who started going on about breaking the law. I simply pointed out that 50 years ago it was illegal to be gay in the country and still is in some lands. 70 years ago it was unthinkable for homosexuality to be legal in Britain, what is to say the same wont be the case for paedophillia in 70 years time? Hardly "desperate" to link the two. You asked me to prove the traditional family set up is better. There are currently few studies against same sex parenting because it is a relatively new fashion, although i am sure if any futures studies were negative then they would be spun to look positive as saying anything remotely anti gay makes you homophobic doesn't it. My link proves the government have researched the values of a traditional family set up and proven that this is the best for a child against alternatives, i dont see why adding researching same sex parenting would result in any other conclusion. Why paedophilia Turkish? Changes in law such as legalisation of same sex relationships are their to protect the innocent, you cannot justify this change in law to the fantasy one of accepting innocent children being abused to satisfy paedophiles, that is just nonsense. You link emotive subjective to give your point some credance, when in fact the two are entirely seperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 10 February, 2011 Share Posted 10 February, 2011 Why are you incapable of reading posts properly without spinning them to suit your agenda?? You were the one who started going on about breaking the law. I simply pointed out that 50 years ago it was illegal to be gay in the country and still is in some lands. 70 years ago it was unthinkable for homosexuality to be legal in Britain, what is to say the same wont be the case for paedophillia in 70 years time? Hardly "desperate" to link the two. You asked me to prove the traditional family set up is better. There are currently few studies against same sex parenting because it is a relatively new fashion, although i am sure if any futures studies were negative then they would be spun to look positive as saying anything remotely anti gay makes you homophobic doesn't it. My link proves the government have researched the values of a traditional family set up and proven that this is the best for a child against alternatives, i dont see why adding researching same sex parenting would result in any other conclusion. You're comparing apples and oranges there though. Homosexuality and paedophillia are two completely different issue. The former is a consenting relationship between two adults and nobody is being abused (unless they're into the kind of thing). Paedophillia is an adult sexually abusing a child against there will and is a disgusting crime. Homosexuality was only outlawed because people saw it as being unnatural and against God, whereas now it has been proven to be a naturally occuring 'annomaly' and people are a lot less religious. Paedophillia on the other hand will never be regarded as being morally acceptable. I agree, a mother and father is the most natural and therefore the ideal set-up for a child. We don't live in a world of ideals however. We live in a world where there are single parents, divorced couples, families with fathers working abroad etc. All of these are generally fine and I think homosexuality falls into the same bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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