um pahars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 are those tickets for wife, daughter, son, mate??? What I was wondering, as heard he has only been handful of times in last couple of seasons. His personal choice and circumstances but interesting in this debate criticising the club and lack of interest in it. So is your ability and qualification to espouse an opinion based upon how many season tickets you have, attendance at home and away games and how much is spent in the Club shop??? Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 So is your ability and qualification to espouse an opinion based upon how many season tickets you have, attendance at home and away games and how much is spent in the Club shop??? Unbelievable. More than that, whose business is it on here whether he does or does not attend games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Well put. Spot on as usual daren. Completely agree with everything you have said. It has upset me a bit that a man I respect so much as wes has said that about my hero and in my mind the greatest player to put on the red and white stripes. Anyone believing matty would try to destabilise the club is out of their mind. He loves this club as much as anyone. Wes, please comeback to stand aside the saints fans you used to. Nicola, you have gone too far this time and even if you get us to the top of the premier league I will maintain you are wrong over this and will never ever forget what matthew le tissier did for my club and the joy that he gave us all for many years. Please also dont tell me mike osman doesnt care about my club, he really does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Not to any real saints fan there isn't. Are they then as guilty of blindness as those who stand up for NC? This whole thing is quite distressing for long standing Saints fans who hold what LeTiss has done in fond memory but who also support the path that Cortese is laying out. Some of the abuse of LeTiss and Osman here is quite unwarranted - both have done a lot for charity - and will hopefully continue to do so. Equally the abuse of NC is also unwarranted. He has said that there are two sides to every story and I have no doubt there are but he is not putting his side. Why not, I can only speculate but there is enough speculation without me adding more. However, I do find it sad that LeTiss went to the newspapers with this. As someone else has said, the best way to deal with NC is discreetly - that is how he does business. There needs to be some backing down on both sides and level headed sensible discussion. I respect Tiss for what he has done for us - which is immense - but the future is with Cortese. I just want to see an end to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Are they then as guilty of blindness as those who stand up for NC? This whole thing is quite distressing for long standing Saints fans who hold what LeTiss has done in fond memory but who also support the path that Cortese is laying out. Some of the abuse of LeTiss and Osman here is quite unwarranted - both have done a lot for charity - and will hopefully continue to do so. Equally the abuse of NC is also unwarranted. He has said that there are two sides to every story and I have no doubt there are but he is not putting his side. Why not, I can only speculate but there is enough speculation without me adding more. However, I do find it sad that LeTiss went to the newspapers with this. As someone else has said, the best way to deal with NC is discreetly - that is how he does business. There needs to be some backing down on both sides and level headed sensible discussion. I respect Tiss for what he has done for us - which is immense - but the future is with Cortese. I just want to see an end to this. I too am very happy with the football dealings of cortese. I think he saved the club and has done loads for us. However, I just cant say I agree with him at all on this. The best thing that can happen is that they agree to meet and there is give and take on both sides. As the poster says, it is very distressing for fans as matt le tiss is our hero but cortese is really bringing the club forward. So a compromise would be great. I am finding it difficult if im honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 LOL I checked this thread this morning it had 8 comments I knew it would get a few but eight pages in one day shows what's important to saints fans I suppose. I can't be arsed to read through eight pages but I'm guessing the summary would be Some people love NC he can do no wrong the ex saints legends are money grabbing free loaders trying to destroy the club............... Some people love the ex saints legends NC is a **** with no respect for the clubs history.......... Let me know if I missed anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 And it's alllll Company A Alllll company A They're by far the greatest company The world has ever seen. That's why your analogy is possibly the most p is s weak thing you've posted on here. Which is going some. That's an awful argument. Well, it's not really an argument at all, but anyway... So some people have an emotional attachment which is unusually strong. Probably more incumbent on those who evoke such attachments not to be a tit (Matt) then. The point you raise completely begs the question as to who is in the "wrong". It does quite eloquently illustrate why so much ****e is written on here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 LOL I checked this thread this morning it had 8 comments I knew it would get a few but eight pages in one day shows what's important to saints fans I suppose. I can't be arsed to read through eight pages but I'm guessing the summary would be Some people love NC he can do no wrong the ex saints legends are money grabbing free loaders trying to destroy the club............... Some people love the ex saints legends NC is a **** with no respect for the clubs history.......... Let me know if I missed anything I think that the answer is get round the table and make up. That would be the best thing for the club and hopefully what will happen. We cant have 125 yrs anniversarys ruined by silly spats. However, the benali house thing is easy for me to say that about but not maybe if youre franny and matty is loyal to his friend as you would expect a good mate to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 That's an awful argument. Well, it's not really an argument at all, but anyway... So some people have an emotional attachment which is unusually strong. Probably more incumbent on those who evoke such attachments not to be a tit (Matt) then. The point you raise completely begs the question as to who is in the "wrong". It does quite eloquently illustrate why so much ****e is written on here though. Really doesnt help in any shape or form posts like that. I think its better to not get nasty or we add fuel to the fire. Benji matt le tissier is an absolute god to me, he saved us so many times and showed so much loyalty. He would never deliberately harm sfc. However, on the other hand cortese other than being silly over this is imo doing a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 9 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Really doesnt help in any shape or form posts like that. I think its better to not get nasty or we add fuel to the fire. Benji matt le tissier is an absolute god to me, he saved us so many times and showed so much loyalty. He would never deliberately harm sfc. However, on the other hand cortese other than being silly over this is imo doing a great job. Somewhere on this thread are 3 links to separate interviews MLT done with 3 separate papers. Each one is slating Cortese to the core and warning any future manager (this is after he sacked AP) that they would be working for a control freak and would recommend anyone against taking the job. There was no need for that as MLT knew NO facts and in doing these he put steps in place to harm our club. I worship the very ground MLT walks on, but I lost some respect for him over that. Now, each and every time he goes running to the papers with pathetic stories and basically airing his dirty laundry in public, I lose a little more for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Really doesnt help in any shape or form posts like that. I think its better to not get nasty or we add fuel to the fire. Benji matt le tissier is an absolute god to me, he saved us so many times and showed so much loyalty. He would never deliberately harm sfc. However, on the other hand cortese other than being silly over this is imo doing a great job. Somewhere on this thread are 3 links to separate interviews MLT done with 3 separate papers. Each one is slating Cortese to the core and warning any future manager (this is after he sacked AP) that they would be working for a control freak and would recommend anyone against taking the job. There was no need for that as MLT knew NO facts and in doing these he put steps in place to harm our club. I worship the very ground MLT walks on, but I lost some respect for him over that. Now, each and every time he goes running to the papers with pathetic stories and basically airing his dirty laundry in public, I lose a little more for him. Here you go... MLT should stop giving interviews like this then... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3117929/Matt-Le-Tissier-Whod-work-for-this-chairman.html or this http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8160113.Le_Tiss_wants_Pardew_to_stay_at_Saints/?action=complain&cid=8504937 or this http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/football-league/1011/6/le-tissier-i-wouldnt-be-too-much-rush-work-cortese etc etc etc (he has done many other in the written press, also on radio and Sky over the last 18 months) Is Le Tissier really that stupid that he believes he can say all these things (largely unsubstantiated) about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do him favours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Don't know who is right and who is wrong, but having a **** waving competion in the newspapers is unhelpful. Please also stop peddling the myth that Le Tis was loyal. He stayed for quality of life, closeness to home etc., loyalty was a convenient add-on. Great player, a legend, but behaving unhelpfully at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 So is your ability and qualification to espouse an opinion based upon how many season tickets you have, attendance at home and away games and how much is spent in the Club shop??? Unbelievable. missing the point. people need to remember that Cortese and players are here for a job - none like us. Point about Osman is wondering how much of fan he is and how much is about the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Not one single person has picked up on this quote, funnily enough... "‘Now we are being told the ex-Saints, which is a charity that raises money for good causes and former players who have fallen on hard times, have been told they can’t use the club badge on any of its paraphernalia or literature." How come not one person has picked up on this?? The club refusing a charity using the club badge for their charity events? That's shocking, absolutely shocking. Just what cost does that incur the club? "Here's our gesture to the charity, the free use of the club badge/emblem." No much is it? It's amazing how blinkered people are by success, we're actually having people making excuses for one side and denigrating the other. So people assume that the reason the current players have been stopped attending a charity event is down to image rights? Image rights?? If you'd have said, the club may want to keep them matchday fresh then I'd have gone with that but Image rights? The morale thing has some validity but it's a mealy mouthed excuse none the less. It's really distasteful the way Mike Osman gets slagged off on her. Decent man who does a hell of a lot of work for charity. And "Lazy Guernsey man"?? Have we really sunk that low that the man who we absolutely worshipped can be called that? For your information Wes, we have no concrete facts from either side, does that entitle anyone to slag off a genuine Saints legend? Are we that desperate for success that we'll side with the club no matter what? I usually agree with you on a lot of things Wes but you're way off base with that comment... way off.. People have to judge the chairman independently. How would people be re-acting if, say, it was Rupert Lowe who had done this? Or Michael Wilde? Or Leon Crouch? Think outside your own personal agendas and ask yourself if one of those personalities, perhaps one you vehemently disliked, did this... what would you say? If it was negative, then if it was negative for Lowe or Wilde or Crouch then surely it's a negative for Cortese? I'm actually pro Cortese, I'm grateful that he saved this club and I'm grateful for the intelligent way the club has been run since but that doesn't mean the club is faultless. If Le Tiss and co are annoying them then surely the more dignified response is to be nice, to be accommodating, give them nothing to moan about. Stopping the use of a club logo for a charity, stopping players attending a charity function, is childish and spiteful... To be fair I mentioned it a few pages ago. Sorry to p*ss on your parade. I'm going to bed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Point about Osman is wondering how much of fan he is and how much is about the event. No, I think you (along with others who attacked the Ex Saints Charity for a myriad of reasons) are missing the point, in that you seem to be going to great lengths to denegrate those involved in the argument in order to try and justify the Club's actions. Is it not possible to be a fan and care about the event? Is it not possible that organising an event is a demonstration of how much of a fan he is? For the record my father no longer attends home matches, struggles with the cold, at his age thinks everything is an effort and I'm sure he's getting somewhat agrophobic. However, he is going to the Mayflower on Sunday. I suppose he cares more about the event than being a fan on a matchday!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Some people IMO think to "love" Cortese is cool as he is the new generation "I take no **** from anyone" "I can do what I like" "respect me or fail"...as pointed out if this was Lowe I am sure these people would have a different stance? Personally I think Cortese like most people have + and - parts to their make-up. At the moment all I would ask of him is where are Southampton FC in his planned 5 year plan? Are we on track, slightly behind or smack on? Answer that and I would be happy. Regarding the 125 celebration surely both sides could have come to some sensible agreement, as this only makes Southampton FC a bad news item! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Some people would argue Marcus Liebherr "saved" SFC. I prefer to consider he made a very "sound" investment and one of the spin off consequences of that sound investment was that we lived on as SFC. I am pretty sure Marcus's overriding ambition was to invest wisely and if at the same time he made a lot of people happy then great. He seemed to take genuine pleasure in that fact. But please can we take the "evangelical knight in shining armour can do no wrong" element out of the argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Some people would argue Marcus Liebherr "saved" SFC. I prefer to consider he made a very "sound" investment and one of the spin off consequences of that sound investment was that we lived on as SFC. I am pretty sure Marcus's overriding ambition was to invest wisely and if at the same time he made a lot of people happy then great. He seemed to take genuine pleasure in that fact. But please can we take the "evangelical knight in shining armour can do no wrong" element out of the argument? The investment and saving of the club are however one and the same thing. Had he not invested the past the legends represent could well have been all we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Jesus we'd! I've respected you a long time but to say that about matty you have lost my complete respect. Of course you really started supporting saints in the late 90s so you would have missed matty saving the club for ten years. He's the best footballer I've seen and he does make mistakes but I for one forgive him for all the great things he's done! Cortese fwiw is doing a great job but I think he's got this wrong. He needs to stop being petty with echo etc too. Just because he's not lowe doesn't make him right about everything. I think after what cortese did to benalis house matty is doing what any mate would do and stick up for his mate! Cortese, thanks for saving club but stop being so blooming petty! Wes, don't be stupid I be very careful if I were you. Some sweeping statements there, bordering on being Libellous. Re the house business, there is a second side to this story, not everything reported by the itk Hypo, is true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Can't be arsed to read all 8 pages of this pro/anti ****e. To be honest, I think both sides are behaving like bloody children. What I do know is that my mum has been diagnosed with terminal cancer and might have as little as 3 months left on this ****hole we call earth and is going to the 125th meal and it would have been nice for her to see the current crop as well as some of the legends, but now she won't. grow up you little t w a t s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 How exactly does SFC benefit from having spats with former greats and high profile media personalities? MLT and Lawrie Mac are respected by all the club's supporters (or company's customers), they have contacts throughout the industry and links to the press. MLT is on national TV every Saturday in a position to give good publicity for SFC - why does it make sense to **** him off/airbrush him out? The whole thing smacks of petty personal vendetta, nothing to do with the good of the club. So true, but flip it, because the vendetta, if such, is being carried out against the club imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I would have liked to go to the Centenary Dinner, but this thread has demonstrated that I wouldn't enjoy it, as it will almost certainly consist of a series of snide remarks from people whom I had the greatest respect for, attacking the Club. The end result under those circumstances would be that I would lose much of that respect for them. At present, I can remember all the good things they did for the club and that is how it should remain. This debate has become hysterical because some former Club legends have been criticised for actions they have taken against the current club hierarchy and some don't like it. But they are quite happy to dish it out to those now running the club. It is a two-way street and if posters take the side of these past employees, then they must expect that some criticism comes the other way. I am content that those getting increasingly more hysterical are a select few who are gaining a history of complaint against Cortese and although they get ever more shrill, they remain a small minority. If their posts were removed from this debate, it would be considerably shortened. No doubt something else will surface either through these disgruntled ex-legends or some red-top rag and the very same people will surface again to vent their spleen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I support what NC is doing to the club but episodes like this make him look like an uptight ass. NC, just let the players go to the dinner and stop behaving like a petty control freak. It's supposed to be a bit of fun for god's sake. PS Those who are slagging off MLT just remember that he kept us in the prem for years when he could have easily clicked his fingers and left. He stuck by us when we needed him and gave me some of my greatest football memories, I just wish some ungrateful fans would remember this before they start their rants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Can't be arsed to read all 8 pages of this pro/anti ****e. To be honest, I think both sides are behaving like bloody children. What I do know is that my mum has been diagnosed with terminal cancer and might have as little as 3 months left on this ****hole we call earth and is going to the 125th meal and it would have been nice for her to see the current crop as well as some of the legends, but now she won't. grow up you little t w a t s ^ This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I support what NC is doing to the club but episodes like this make him look like an uptight ass. NC, just let the players go to the dinner and stop behaving like a petty control freak. It's supposed to be a bit of fun for god's sake. PS Those who are slagging off MLT just remember that he kept us in the prem for years when he could have easily clicked his fingers and left. He stuck by us when we needed him and gave me some of my greatest football memories, I just wish some ungrateful fans would remember this before they start their rants. I support your post completely Cabrone and I cannot see how anyone can argue against it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 (edited) So without reading all eight pages, what's happening to any profit from this little soiree? If all of the profit is going to charity I really cannot see an issue from the clubs perspective. Edited 9 February, 2011 by GenevaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I would have liked to go to the Centenary Dinner, but this thread has demonstrated that I wouldn't enjoy it, as it will almost certainly consist of a series of snide remarks from people whom I had the greatest respect for, attacking the Club. The end result under those circumstances would be that I would lose much of that respect for them. At present, I can remember all the good things they did for the club and that is how it should remain. This debate has become hysterical because some former Club legends have been criticised for actions they have taken against the current club hierarchy and some don't like it. But they are quite happy to dish it out to those now running the club. It is a two-way street and if posters take the side of these past employees, then they must expect that some criticism comes the other way. I am content that those getting increasingly more hysterical are a select few who are gaining a history of complaint against Cortese and although they get ever more shrill, they remain a small minority. If their posts were removed from this debate, it would be considerably shortened. No doubt something else will surface either through these disgruntled ex-legends or some red-top rag and the very same people will surface again to vent their spleen. I think cortese is doing a great job wes I really do. I am very happy with a lot of things, but I think on some occasions he doesnt cover himself in glory and this is one of them. I understand youre point about matty not saying anything to the press and at times matty should be quiet and try and do things behind the scenes. I know you prob dont think matty was a lazy guernsey player etc but that comment is always going to upset people on here. You know aswell as I do too that mike osman loves the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Matt le Tiss has more than earned the right to have an opinion about Southampton FC. Saints were never going to be liquidated, look at the debts of pompey and other clubs, SFC didn't even miss a tax payment. You have to be pretty thick to think the club was going to fold when even a billionare like Marcus said the opportunity was "too good to turn down". The administrators would have had a que of people lined up, that's why they could afford to let pinnacle have a pop.you are kidding!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I support what NC is doing to the club but episodes like this make him look like an uptight ass. NC, just let the players go to the dinner and stop behaving like a petty control freak. It's supposed to be a bit of fun for god's sake. PS Those who are slagging off MLT just remember that he kept us in the prem for years when he could have easily clicked his fingers and left. He stuck by us when we needed him and gave me some of my greatest football memories, I just wish some ungrateful fans would remember this before they start their rants. What makes it worse is that Wes claims to have been a fan when Matt Le Tissier was playing for us. I for one cannot believe that any Saints fan that experienced this era in our clubs history would snidely label him as "the lazy guernseyman". That's the sort of comment you'd expect from a Pompey fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I am all for the 2 sides making up but i suggest MLT sitting alongside FB slagging off NC on national TV is not the best way of doing it. MLT is a hero to the majority of Saints fans, as a businessman and judge of a situation i dont think he is so good. Sadly i doubt there will ever be a truce, and whilst it looked for a time we would be united as a fan base having heroes like Matt sniping away the divisions will stay open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdavewatson Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 There are a few FACTS that should be remembered... 1) Matty should never, ever be slagged off by any Saints fan after what he did for this club. 2) Mike Osman is someone I have worked with personally and he is an absolute diamond. He didn't hesitate and went out of his way to organise a charity event for a friend of mine who's daughter was seriously injured in a car crash. He spent days organising the entertainment and event and we raised £60k for charity in one night - he didn't make nor ask for a penny. 3) The current players could have put in an appearance and probably would have liked to spend an evening in the company of Keegan, Matty, Shearer, Souness etc. 4) Anyone who hasn't got tickets, and is a Saints fan over the age of 25, should go in my opinion. I know what is planned and really wouldn't miss it for the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 What makes it worse is that Wes claims to have been a fan when Matt Le Tissier was playing for us. I for one cannot believe that any Saints fan that experienced this era in our clubs history would snidely label him as "the lazy guernseyman". That's the sort of comment you'd expect from a Pompey fan. I remember plenty of idiots at the Dell shouting and moaning at him for being lazy. A section of our fan base have always been ****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 What makes it worse is that Wes claims to have been a fan when Matt Le Tissier was playing for us. I for one cannot believe that any Saints fan that experienced this era in our clubs history would snidely label him as "the lazy guernseyman". That's the sort of comment you'd expect from a Pompey fan. Equally of course, so-called Saints fans calling Cortese slimey might also be labelled as Pompey fans. But then you have plenty of previous in juvenile name-calling when you can't get your argument across by proper debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 In my opinion those outside the club spitting in know exactly what they are doing. They know one of Cortese's weak spots is his ego. The Echo Editor was in dispute with Cortese. A year into the Liehberr purchase they ran an article praising all he had done for the club. Not once did they mention Cortese's involvement. That, in my opinion, was deliberate and they knew Cortese would fume. He did of course, from accounts I have heard. This group setting up the 125 year event approached the club, I am told by an unreliable source - StuRomseySaint, and were told that the club would not endorse it as they had their own idea's on celebrating the event. The group went away and organised it, sold out within weeks, and many supports/fans are looking forward to attending. Because it is a sell out there is no need for further advertising. Why then, just before the event, is things appearing in the media. Could it be that they knew the invitations sent to the club, not to the individual homes of the invitees, would be rejected by Cortese? Was this not another opportunity to dig? Why did Banali and Le Tissier make comment on two different Sky programmes on the day of the Man Utd cup game? It was clear the question put to Benali was pre managed. Geoff Sterling, returning to Le Tissier after discussing the potential of Alex Chamberlain and whether he should stay, asked about his problems getting tickets from the club to which Le Tissier responded. Stage Managed again? I think so. I can understand that they feel they might be being excluded. It is sad to see it. BUT their actons are not going to shift Cortese nor soften his resolve. What their actions are doing, as demonstrated on this thread once again, is to divide the supporters, keeping the unacceptable face of politics alive and well and gnawing away at our future potential. It would be nice to get them in one room, knock their head together to gain consensus, and move on but there are too many egos. Too much bad blood. We, the supporters and the players we pay to watch much rise above such bickering or we are once again a dead club walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 There are a few FACTS that should be remembered... 1) Matty should never, ever be slagged off by any Saints fan after what he did for this club. These are not FACTS. They are your opinion. And your view is that just because MLT gave good loyal service to the club for many years, that he is totally beyond criticism for anything that he does afterwards when he retires? Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 What makes it worse is that Wes claims to have been a fan when Matt Le Tissier was playing for us. I for one cannot believe that any Saints fan that experienced this era in our clubs history would snidely label him as "the lazy guernseyman". That's the sort of comment you'd expect from a Pompey fan. You do not have the intellect to make an argument on this forum - please return to school! If you cannot rise from the playground in terms of lack of understanding and insults it really would be better if you returned there. Perhaps you could start with the word 'context'. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 Not one single person has picked up on this quote, funnily enough... "‘Now we are being told the ex-Saints, which is a charity that raises money for good causes and former players who have fallen on hard times, have been told they can’t use the club badge on any of its paraphernalia or literature." How come not one person has picked up on this?? The club refusing a charity using the club badge for their charity events? That's shocking, absolutely shocking. Just what cost does that incur the club? "Here's our gesture to the charity, the free use of the club badge/emblem." No much is it? It's amazing how blinkered people are by success, we're actually having people making excuses for one side and denigrating the other. So people assume that the reason the current players have been stopped attending a charity event is down to image rights? Image rights?? If you'd have said, the club may want to keep them matchday fresh then I'd have gone with that but Image rights? The morale thing has some validity but it's a mealy mouthed excuse none the less. It's really distasteful the way Mike Osman gets slagged off on her. Decent man who does a hell of a lot of work for charity. And "Lazy Guernsey man"?? Have we really sunk that low that the man who we absolutely worshipped can be called that? For your information Wes, we have no concrete facts from either side, does that entitle anyone to slag off a genuine Saints legend? Are we that desperate for success that we'll side with the club no matter what? I usually agree with you on a lot of things Wes but you're way off base with that comment... way off.. People have to judge the chairman independently. How would people be re-acting if, say, it was Rupert Lowe who had done this? Or Michael Wilde? Or Leon Crouch? Think outside your own personal agendas and ask yourself if one of those personalities, perhaps one you vehemently disliked, did this... what would you say? If it was negative, then if it was negative for Lowe or Wilde or Crouch then surely it's a negative for Cortese? I'm actually pro Cortese, I'm grateful that he saved this club and I'm grateful for the intelligent way the club has been run since but that doesn't mean the club is faultless. If Le Tiss and co are annoying them then surely the more dignified response is to be nice, to be accommodating, give them nothing to moan about. Stopping the use of a club logo for a charity, stopping players attending a charity function, is childish and spiteful... I haven't read anything but pages 1 and 8 of this thread, but this constant referal to a charity. Is it a 'charity' in the 'official' sense of the word. Is it registered with a charity no. etc? Does it have Trustees or Officials or whatever they are called? Does it produce proper accounts? I am asking this because i do not know. And these simple facts would make a major diiference to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 We are now well aware that Cortese likes to do his buisness behind closed doors. If you go against this method he cuts you out & refuses to deal with you. Now I'm not saying that this is the right way forward, but people dealing with him must realise that they have to come to terms with this & try to change things from within. Standing on the side lines continuing to stamp your feet & shout to whoever will listen will not endear you to or make Cortese change his mind. I find it a great shame that Cortese has seemingly cut out all of our heritage & put them on the side lines, but if we go back to the pre & take over period we were beset by split factions. Big characters on all sides using their personalities to shout loudest in the media. When Nicola & Marcus took us over I think they came out immediately & said no free loaders everyone pays. This was done to try to cut out any of the old arguments resurfacing, EVERYONE treated the same. No favourites, do we really want to go back to that so soon again. Now I totally agree that we should respect our heritage & respect our heroes from bygone days. But it has to be within the ground rules laid down by the present incumbent. We know about transfers only when they happen, we are all happy about the way he has dealt with the AOC during the transfer window. I'm nore than happy for him to give Wenger a lambasting over it. He is basically using the press & letting it be known you deal with me in private or you stand on the side lines stamping your feet. If he/the club let some players Legends etc get what they want then he is choosing sides & off we go again. I'm not for one minute saying Cortese is never wrong but you need to deal with him behind closed doors. Ask yourselves this do we really want to go back to the days of 2/3 different factions fighting themselves in the full glare of the media. NC appears to me do be trying to do our buisness behind closed doors, I wish our heroes & legends would do the same. Everyone treated the same no factions! Anyone got a better idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I haven't read anything but pages 1 and 8 of this thread, but this constant referal to a charity. Is it a 'charity' in the 'official' sense of the word. Is it registered with a charity no. etc? Does it have Trustees or Officials or whatever they are called? Does it produce proper accounts? I am asking this because i do not know. And these simple facts would make a major diiference to this thread. The Ex Saints is an official charity registered with The Charity Commission (reg no. 1122431). HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 The Ex Saints is an official charity registered with The Charity Commission (reg no. 1122431). HTH. Thank you. The Forum works again. Ask a question and someone somewhere has the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I remember plenty of idiots at the Dell shouting and moaning at him for being lazy. A section of our fan base have always been ****s. TBF I think that MLT would quite happily describe himself as a "lazy Guernseyman". He has never professed to being the fittest player in the Unierse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 There really isn't an answer out there that will appease both sides of the fence and ultimately that's the sad thing to all of this. Coretse has come at this with a clean brush and nothing is off limits.....absolutely nothing. The bullish, hard nosed, balls of steel, fook the world if they don't agree, persona acheives great results in some cases (Like screwing up 10 million pound offers and binning them) but can also manifest itself into inappropriate, unnecessary and petty arguments in another. I think we've seen examples of both and would add that I think in the long run, Cortese will be successful and deliever us back to former glory, but the benchmark of where we strive to be, was built by the very people he is alienating. They are part of what he bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 I haven't read anything but pages 1 and 8 of this thread, but this constant referal to a charity. Is it a 'charity' in the 'official' sense of the word. Is it registered with a charity no. etc? Does it have Trustees or Officials or whatever they are called? Does it produce proper accounts? I am asking this because i do not know. And these simple facts would make a major diiference to this thread. Quite, there are general charity events and then there is the event at the Mayflower. Who is getting the proceeds from this event @ the Mayflower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 The Ex Saints is an official charity registered with The Charity Commission (reg no. 1122431). HTH. As is Nuffield Health, who are also a profit making organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerous Albert Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 In my opinion those outside the club spitting in know exactly what they are doing. They know one of Cortese's weak spots is his ego. The Echo Editor was in dispute with Cortese. A year into the Liehberr purchase they ran an article praising all he had done for the club. Not once did they mention Cortese's involvement. That, in my opinion, was deliberate and they knew Cortese would fume. He did of course, from accounts I have heard. This group setting up the 125 year event approached the club, I am told by an unreliable source - StuRomseySaint, and were told that the club would not endorse it as they had their own idea's on celebrating the event. The group went away and organised it, sold out within weeks, and many supports/fans are looking forward to attending. Because it is a sell out there is no need for further advertising. Why then, just before the event, is things appearing in the media. Could it be that they knew the invitations sent to the club, not to the individual homes of the invitees, would be rejected by Cortese? Was this not another opportunity to dig? Why did Banali and Le Tissier make comment on two different Sky programmes on the day of the Man Utd cup game? It was clear the question put to Benali was pre managed. Geoff Sterling, returning to Le Tissier after discussing the potential of Alex Chamberlain and whether he should stay, asked about his problems getting tickets from the club to which Le Tissier responded. Stage Managed again? I think so. I can understand that they feel they might be being excluded. It is sad to see it. BUT their actons are not going to shift Cortese nor soften his resolve. What their actions are doing, as demonstrated on this thread once again, is to divide the supporters, keeping the unacceptable face of politics alive and well and gnawing away at our future potential. It would be nice to get them in one room, knock their head together to gain consensus, and move on but there are too many egos. Too much bad blood. We, the supporters and the players we pay to watch much rise above such bickering or we are once again a dead club walking. As usual,I think Weston has hit on the root of it here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 As is Nuffield Health, who are also a profit making organisation. These innuendos that the Ex-Saints are at it are bang out of order and sully the reputations of decent people past and present who have given up their time for decent causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 The Ex Saints is an official charity registered with The Charity Commission (reg no. 1122431). HTH. For anyone that wants more info http://www.exsaints.co.uk/ http://opencharities.org/charities/1122431 The 2nd has a bit more info including some accounts info. The 1st states that they are affiliated with the club which I guess may have to be re-written now the club is directly affiliated with The Saints Foundation. Weston Saint's post puts things into context though. Times have changed for all and some might not like it. Everyone should get a grip and at least question weather their actions are for the good of the club or not though. I think all sides could handle things better and I hope they soon will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 What makes it worse is that Wes claims to have been a fan when Matt Le Tissier was playing for us. I for one cannot believe that any Saints fan that experienced this era in our clubs history would snidely label him as "the lazy guernseyman". That's the sort of comment you'd expect from a Pompey fan. As brilliant as he was, are you saying that he wasnt Lazy? Part of the reason we all love him so much is that he was pure class without even giving full effort. He had that much skill he only needed to turn up for 5 mins of most matches to be hailed as our hero. Dont think knickers need twisting over that comment TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 These are not FACTS. They are your opinion. And your view is that just because MLT gave good loyal service to the club for many years, that he is totally beyond criticism for anything that he does afterwards when he retires? Bizarre. The same could be said for NC just becuase he had a mate with a load of cash doesn't mean he should always be beyond critiscim..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 9 February, 2011 Share Posted 9 February, 2011 The same could be said for NC just becuase he had a mate with a load of cash doesn't mean he should always be beyond critiscim..................... Which is what makes the entire debate a little pointless don't you think? Both are at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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