Daily Fail: Southampton players told to boycott 125th centenary dinner...

[hypochondriac]

Oh but didn't you hear, he knows the Bournemouth physio I'm sure him and someone who is related to someone who used to managed us 30 years ago know everything that's going on at the club. Top contacts indeed.

 

I never said I did odd that you would read it that way

[Wes Tender]

Well, I have been supporting Saints for the best part of 50 years. I never thought I would hear this sort of comment from a Saints "fan".

 

In 5, 10, 20 years, Cortese, Lowe etc will be gone and forgotten. Matt won't. And maybe by the SFC PLC will support charity events again.

 

Let's not forget the context for my remark

Dune:

Matt Le Tissier seems to think this is Cortese's doing and I have a lot of respect for MLT. Certainy far more respect for him than for that slimy Italian.

 

I just thought that I'd give Dune a little bit of his own medicine back. He can dish it out, but he can't take it back, so he had to resort to infantile name-calling.

 

I have enjoyed watching Le Tiss as much as the next fan for many years. But don't think for one minute that it isn't possible to divorce feelings towards him as a player from those of him as an ex-player who is acting like a spoilt child.

[dune]

I just thought that I'd give Dune a little bit of his own medicine back.

 

I have enjoyed watching Le Tiss as much as the next fan for many years.

 

You decided to slag off our greatest ever player who is not only a legend but who showed unbelieveable loyalty to us.

 

If you have enjoyed him as much as the next fan why did you slag off how he played?

[Roger]

Can't debate properly without recourse to name-calling? No. You proved that by your labelling of Cortese. Grow up.

 

Jesus we'd! I've respected you a long time but to say that about matty you have lost my complete respect. Of course you really started supporting saints in the late 90s so you would have missed matty saving the club for ten years. He's the best footballer I've seen and he does make mistakes but I for one forgive him for all the great things he's done! Cortese fwiw is doing a great job but I think he's got this wrong. He needs to stop being petty with echo etc too. Just because he's not lowe doesn't make him right about everything. I think after what cortese did to benalis house matty is doing what any mate would do and stick up for his mate! Cortese, thanks for saving club but stop being so blooming petty! Wes, don't be stupid

[Legod Third Coming]

Cortese needs to move on this I fear.

 

I have the utmost respect for him and what he's doing.

 

But football clubs are nothing without their history. And whatever his differences with Le Tiss, he needs to bury them because it would make sense to use Matt for the good of the club, not leave him outside of it.

 

And for those who criticise Matt, wash your fecking mouths out! He is not above critisicm, but you have HIM to thank for not being relegated years ago...

[Roger]

Let's not forget the context for my remark

 

 

I just thought that I'd give Dune a little bit of his own medicine back. He can dish it out, but he can't take it back, so he had to resort to infantile name-calling.

 

I have enjoyed watching Le Tiss as much as the next fan for many years. But don't think for one minute that it isn't possible to divorce feelings towards him as a player from those of him as an ex-player who is acting like a spoilt child.

wes, again stop bring pathetic. I have agreed with you about almost everything but you are bang out of order on this one. Matty is sticking up for his friend, check the facts first.

[Wes Tender]

You decided to slag off our greatest ever player who is not only a legend but who showed unbelieveable loyalty to us.

 

If you have enjoyed him as much as the next fan why did you slag off how he played?

 

Did I slag off how he played? I said that he was lazy. I'm sure that I read him admitting it himself in his autobiography. I'll apologise for the lazy remark, if you're big enough to withdraw the slimey tag you gave to Cortese. But I don't think that you're big enough to do that.

[dune]

Did I slag off how he played? I said that he was lazy. I'm sure that I read him admitting it himself in his autobiography. I'll apologise for the lazy remark, if you're big enough to withdraw the slimey tag you gave to Cortese. But I don't think that you're big enough to do that.

 

I'm big enough to do it, but I won't because I think he is slimy. I'll support cortese on some things, but i'll judge each situation as I see it and on this issue i'm not impressed.

Edited 8 February, 2011 by dune

[Wes Tender]

wes, again stop bring pathetic. I have agreed with you about almost everything but you are bang out of order on this one. Matty is sticking up for his friend, check the facts first.

 

You don't know the facts though. You might have heard some things from various sources, but anybody with any sense doesn't accept just one side of a story as being factual without hearing the other side

[dune]

You don't know the facts though. You might have heard some things from various sources, but anybody with any sense doesn't accept just one side of a story as being factual without hearing the other side

 

So now it's up to Nicola to deny that he's blocked the players and manager from attending or explain why he's done it. Agreed?

[Wes Tender]

I'm big enough to do it, but I won't because I think he is slimy. I'll support cortese on some things, but i'll judge each situation as I see it and on this issue i'm not impressed.

 

Well, just accept that pointless name-calling doesn't advance your credibility as nobody takes anybody seriously in a debate if they have to resort to such pettiness.

[Wes Tender]

So now it's up to Nicola to deny that he's blocked the players and manager from attending or explain why he's done it. Agreed?

 

Why? I'm sure that he has far more important things to do with his time. I'm pretty sure that many on here have probably worked out why the players and manager have been banned from attending, if indeed they have been.

[S-Clarke]

I'm going to throw my 2 pence into this debate.

 

I think there are rights and wrongs from both sides – neither party is perfect in the way they are acting.

 

I have felt for a while that there is a feeling of ''bitterness'' from a few of our ex-players/managers with regards to their lost ''access'' and lost ''perks''. When Cortese came into the club himself and Markus made a pledge that no one will be offered perks, everyone will be equal and you'll have to pay for your ticket the same as everyone else.

 

Nicola and Markus stuck by this and purchased their own season tickets and through this method I believe a few people lost the access they once had. The communication regarding this could have probably been done better and by doing it the way he has done, Cortese has rubbed a few noses up the wrong way, It should have been initiated better before letting it get to this stage - communication has been one of my main gripes with Cortese.

 

I must say though that some of the recent comments from Benali in particular are pretty poor and show a complete lack of professionalism and they have surprised me. I know that they have the best wishes of the club at heart and I'll never forget what they've all contributed to our history, but I don't believe they warrant perks and the use of the clubs name and brand where and when they want. We're being run as a professional structure and Cortese holds a lot of pride in the brand and the name of Southampton around the world - which I think we should be very grateful for; some owners wouldn't give a damn.

 

I don't think Cortese is ignoring our history, I believe he's trying to accelerate our future. There have been many a year where we have all lived in the past at what once was and I felt this held us back. We have a very forward thinking chairman and I think that needs to be applauded rather than criticized.

 

It's sad to see that it's come to this but our ex-guys need to realise that we're moving forward very quickly now - their impact on Southampton will never be forgotten but we cannot continue to live in the past. It's time to create a new history.

[dune]

Now might be a good time to refresh peoples memories of this rant from Cortese.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

Oh and Wes move on, you've shown yourself up enough for one day.

[miserableoldgit]

I'm going to throw my 2 pence into this debate.

 

I think there are rights and wrongs from both sides – neither party is perfect in the way they are acting.

 

I have felt for a while that there is a feeling of ''bitterness'' from a few of our ex-players/managers with regards to their lost ''access'' and lost ''perks''. When Cortese came into the club himself and Markus made a pledge that no one will be offered perks, everyone will be equal and you'll have to pay for your ticket the same as everyone else.

 

Nicola and Markus stuck by this and purchased their own season tickets and through this method I believe a few people lost the access they once had. The communication regarding this could have probably been done better and by doing it the way he has done, Cortese has rubbed a few noses up the wrong way, It should have been initiated better before letting it get to this stage - communication has been one of my main gripes with Cortese.

 

I must say though that some of the recent comments from Benali in particular are pretty poor and show a complete lack of professionalism and they have surprised me. I know that they have the best wishes of the club at heart and I'll never forget what they've all contributed to our history, but I don't believe they warrant perks and the use of the clubs name and brand where and when they want. We're being run as a professional structure and Cortese holds a lot of pride in the brand and the name of Southampton around the world - which I think we should be very grateful for; some owners wouldn't give a damn.

 

I don't think Cortese is ignoring our history, I believe he's trying to accelerate our future. There have been many a year where we have all lived in the past at what once was and I felt this held us back. We have a very forward thinking chairman and I think that needs to be applauded rather than criticized.

It's sad to see that it's come to this but our ex-guys need to realise that we're moving forward very quickly now - their impact on Southampton will never be forgotten but we cannot continue to live in the past. It's time to create a new history.

Very good post!

[CB Fry]

You lot pick some beady eyed Italian sleaze ball.

 

I pick Matt Le Tiss.

 

See you all in ten years time. I bet my Saints hero is still my hero and still a Saints legend.

 

We'll see if you lot are still knocking one out into a sock over some Chairman we once had. A freaking chairman.

 

Matt Le Tiss will walk proud and tall in St Mary's once again, and shame, shame, shame on you lot lining up behind some swarthy beancounter against him.

[NickG]

Mike Osman owns 2 season tickets paid for by himself.

 

are those tickets for wife, daughter, son, mate??? What I was wondering, as heard he has only been handful of times in last couple of seasons.

 

His personal choice and circumstances but interesting in this debate criticising the club and lack of interest in it.

Edited 8 February, 2011 by NickG

[hypochondriac]

You lot pick some beady eyed Italian sleaze ball.

 

I pick Matt Le Tiss.

 

See you all in ten years time. I bet my Saints hero is still my hero and still a Saints legend.

 

We'll see if you lot are still knocking one out into a sock over some Chairman we once had. A freaking chairman.

 

Matt Le Tiss will walk proud and tall in St Mary's once again, and shame, shame, shame on you lot lining up behind some swarthy beancounter against him.

 

you will get killed for that post. Once again CB you crack me up. Legend.

Edited 8 February, 2011 by hypochondriac

[saint-crinny]

Whole thing leaves a nasty taste for me. Shame as MLT is a legend, and i have a lot of respect for what NC has alreaady done for this club over the past two years. The thing is, and i have to say i have no idea if this has ever happened or not, have the two of them ever actually sat down together and had a chat? Why don't they just get things sorted? NC must see that it would be great for everyone involved with Saints to have MLT as an ambassador involved with the club, he is a true Saints legend. And clearly, MLT wants to be involved otherwise he wouldnt keep piping up every five minutes.

[benjii]

You lot pick some beady eyed Italian sleaze ball.

 

I pick Matt Le Tiss.

 

See you all in ten years time. I bet my Saints hero is still my hero and still a Saints legend.

 

We'll see if you lot are still knocking one out into a sock over some Chairman we once had. A freaking chairman.

 

Matt Le Tiss will walk proud and tall in St Mary's once again, and shame, shame, shame on you lot lining up behind some swarthy beancounter against him.

 

 

I like you posts but.... don't be a tit.

 

Whether we idolise MlT legitimately or not, it doesn't mean Cortese is duty bound to endorse every tin-pot local event for locan people he sticks his mug on.

[scotty]

You lot pick some beady eyed Italian sleaze ball.

 

I pick Matt Le Tiss.

 

See you all in ten years time. I bet my Saints hero is still my hero and still a Saints legend.

 

We'll see if you lot are still knocking one out into a sock over some Chairman we once had. A freaking chairman.

 

Matt Le Tiss will walk proud and tall in St Mary's once again, and shame, shame, shame on you lot lining up behind some swarthy beancounter against him.

 

am I missing something, is this meant to be ironic?

[hypochondriac]

Whole thing leaves a nasty taste for me. Shame as MLT is a legend, and i have a lot of respect for what NC has alreaady done for this club over the past two years. The thing is, and i have to say i have no idea if this has ever happened or not, have the two of them ever actually sat down together and had a chat? Why don't they just get things sorted? NC must see that it would be great for everyone involved with Saints to have MLT as an ambassador involved with the club, he is a true Saints legend. And clearly, MLT wants to be involved otherwise he wouldnt keep piping up every five minutes.

 

Great post. MLT would bring so much as a club ambassador. Surely Cortese can see the value in bringing him onside?

[Matthew Le God]

You lot pick some beady eyed Italian sleaze ball.

 

I pick Matt Le Tiss.

 

See you all in ten years time. I bet my Saints hero is still my hero and still a Saints legend.

 

We'll see if you lot are still knocking one out into a sock over some Chairman we once had. A freaking chairman.

 

Matt Le Tiss will walk proud and tall in St Mary's once again, and shame, shame, shame on you lot lining up behind some swarthy beancounter against him.

 

The insults you use towards Nicola Cortese are pathetic and xenophobic. All Cortese is doing is not giving any perks to those that criticise him, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and most people would do the same. Why go out of your way for someone that tries to rubbish your name in the press?

 

Do you think Cortese should give Le Tissier perks and treats, even though Le Tissier has on numerous occasions slagged Cortese off in the media over the last 18 months?

 

Yes, Le Tissier is a Saints legend. But outside of the football pitch he makes some very questionable decisions and doesn't realise his actions have consequences he may not like.

Edited 8 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[Frank's cousin]

Its worth pointing out that the only part of the history of the club/legends etc that are being in some folks eyes 'badly treated' are those who were involved in the politics of the past - we saw plenty of ex playing legends at SMS a couple of weeks ago - and the club is doing 125th anniversary things, the shirt etc + other things to come... so what is all this crap about legends being ignored? Nope its those who have had their nose put out of joint because the new ownership wanted to wipe the slate clean of anything to do with the previous political infighting... and thus are no longer heavily associated (financially or otherwise) with the club – it’s the politics that’s all, so over emotive ******** that NC is forgetting the clubs history is juvenile histrionics.... Quick question - would those angered by NC be as quick to defend Lowe, Wilde or Crouch if it was them sniping in the press? Yes Lawrie and Matt are entitled to their opinions, but by making them public at every opportunity they are simply making themselves look selfish and bitter

 

In response to CBFry - heros? well nobody with any sense would deny what Matt has contributed on the pitch and the memories of his heroics will not be forgotten as you say - but everyone is fallable and there is a real danger that this memory will become tainted simply by the chipping away with these very public remarks - Look at it this way, at what point will he stop? And at what point will even you lose patiance? By that I mean should we be as successful as Markus dreamed of and NC is determined to deliver, wont continued digs really not look selfish and infantile in the end? Or would you prefer that we are not successful, and therefore Matt and Lawries digs could be considered prescient? Surely if taht is the case eventually we become as sad as those lot down the road spouting on about their victories in the 50s as its the only thing to hold onto when everything else is crumbling? I would rather NC succeed in the manner he is going about business than have a future where 'history' and heros are the only things we are able to be proud of.

[benjii]

Great post. MLT would bring so much as a club ambassador. Surely Cortese can see the value in bringing him onside?

 

He was one before and by his own admission did feck all other than hang around the buffet.

 

Look, MLT is a complete legend for what he did on the pitch but he is increasingly making himself look like a bit of a cockle with his amateurish pronouncements.

 

Quite simply, the scenario is this...

 

A bunch of ex-employees of company A, with a recent history, between them, of:

 

1) Admitting using company A in furtherance of a betting scam;

2) Being the public face of an embarrassing and impotent attempt to acquire company A;

3) Spouting off to the media criticising the management of company A;

4) Publically announcing that they are in a legal dispute with company A;

5) Pursuing publically personal vendettas against company A's chairman;

 

are narked because company A has told it's current employees not to attend a small-time local event that will give said people a platform to publically ejaculate forth once more. Whether company A was ever asked for its endorsement of said event before the event was publicised is unknown. Company A has its own charitable foundation and is clearly willing to support initiatives that it considers worthwhile (http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/charity/8839214.Saint_kicks_off____copter_SOS/ http://www.saintsfoundation.co.uk/)

 

FFS - if you were the management of company A would you want to endorse this? Of course not.

 

If anyone needs to make an effort to get onside it is MLT, not Cortese.

Edited 8 February, 2011 by benjii

[aintforever]

The insults you use towards Nicola Cortese are pathetic and xenophobic. All Cortese is doing is not giving any perks to those that criticise him, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that and most people would do the same. Why go out of your way for someone that tries to rubbish your name in the press?

 

Do you think Cortese should give Le Tissier perks and treats, even though Le Tissier has on numerous occasions slagged Cortese off in the media over the last 18 months?

 

How exactly does SFC benefit from having spats with former greats and high profile media personalities?

 

MLT and Lawrie Mac are respected by all the club's supporters (or company's customers), they have contacts throughout the industry and links to the press. MLT is on national TV every Saturday in a position to give good publicity for SFC - why does it make sense to **** him off/airbrush him out?

 

The whole thing smacks of petty personal vendetta, nothing to do with the good of the club.

[benjii]

How exactly does SFC benefit from having spats with former greats and high profile media personalities?

 

MLT and Lawrie Mac are respected by all the clubs supporters (or company's customers), they have contacts throughout the industry and links to the press. MLT is on national TV every Saturday in a position to give good publicity for SFC - why does it make sense to **** him off/airbrush him out?

 

The whole thing smacks of petty personal vendetta, nothing to do with the good of the club.

 

Of course it doesn't: which is why MLT should stop being such a ****.

[Wes Tender]

Now might be a good time to refresh peoples memories of this rant from Cortese.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2051138,00.html

 

Oh and Wes move on, you've shown yourself up enough for one day.

 

LOL! You're a fine one to talk about being shown up. The number of times you've been demonstrably shown up is legion on here.

[hypochondriac]

Of course it doesn't: which is why MLT should stop being such a ****.

 

Or alternatively NC should stop being such a petty Italian.

[hypochondriac]

Its worth pointing out that the only part of the history of the club/legends etc that are being in some folks eyes 'badly treated' are those who were involved in the politics of the past - we saw plenty of ex playing legends at SMS a couple of weeks ago - and the club is doing 125th anniversary things, the shirt etc + other things to come... so what is all this crap about legends being ignored? Nope its those who have had their nose put out of joint because the new ownership wanted to wipe the slate clean of anything to do with the previous political infighting... and thus are no longer heavily associated (financially or otherwise) with the club – it’s the politics that’s all, so over emotive ******** that NC is forgetting the clubs history is juvenile histrionics.... Quick question - would those angered by NC be as quick to defend Lowe, Wilde or Crouch if it was them sniping in the press? Yes Lawrie and Matt are entitled to their opinions, but by making them public at every opportunity they are simply making themselves look selfish and bitter

 

In response to CBFry - heros? well nobody with any sense would deny what Matt has contributed on the pitch and the memories of his heroics will not be forgotten as you say - but everyone is fallable and there is a real danger that this memory will become tainted simply by the chipping away with these very public remarks - Look at it this way, at what point will he stop? And at what point will even you lose patiance? By that I mean should we be as successful as Markus dreamed of and NC is determined to deliver, wont continued digs really not look selfish and infantile in the end? Or would you prefer that we are not successful, and therefore Matt and Lawries digs could be considered prescient? Surely if taht is the case eventually we become as sad as those lot down the road spouting on about their victories in the 50s as its the only thing to hold onto when everything else is crumbling? I would rather NC succeed in the manner he is going about business than have a future where 'history' and heros are the only things we are able to be proud of.

 

Not to any real saints fan there isn't.

[benjii]

Or alternatively NC should stop being such a petty Italian.

 

What's nationality got to do with it?

 

Christ, you're a *****.

 

PS - enjoy hitting that "report" button.

[aintforever]

Of course it doesn't: which is why MLT should stop being such a ****.

 

He's done nothing wrong IMO, merely responded to petty actions by Cortese. These spats don't look great in the press but if Matt is ****ed off I don't see why he should have to keep quiet about it.

 

Like with the ticket thing, being refused the chance to BUY (yes that's put £500 of his hard earned cash into the club) 10 tickets for a game that didn't even come close to selling out - can someone explain how that benefits SFC?

Edited 8 February, 2011 by aintforever

[Dig Dig]

you will get killed for that post. Once again CB you crack me up. Legend.

 

Think we all know who's going to be knocking one off into a sock tonight. How about I put together some of CB's best bits for you?

[dubai_phil]

I'm with FC on this. I cannot believe that some on here don't believe that the '76 Cup Winners are Legends and yet Benali is. They all have been involved and were at the club recently.

 

MLT is not a Legend to me, he is more than that, a Hero, and I count myself very lucky that I and a good number of other Dubai Saints managed to meet him last year. As I said at the time I spoke at length with him about the takeover and I know for a fact that he feels very badly let down for being turned into "Someone's PR B1tch"

 

But, here's the rub. He has decided to take his gripe with NC into the media. I think that is a bad choice. It doesn't stop him being a Hero to me.

 

The real issue though is very simple. In life and in business I have always maintained the same mantra - play it as it is, don't take the p1ss. My opinion is that if somebody was dissing me or my business off, was working behind the scenes to undermine my relationships with people, then, to be honest, I would not be pre-disposed to do that particular person ANY favours. In fact I'd probably do a Liverpool fax to their request.

 

So. MLT is a hero.

 

He has decided to be concerned about NC's reign and take those thoughts into the media - fine

 

But, I'm sorry, Hero, Legend he may be, but to take one side and then ask for support/favours - no, that is IMHO taking the p1ss.

 

I exclude Lawrie from the full force of that rant because he at least doesn't keep running to the press. For Frannie, no I'm sorry Nick Holmes was an equally committed servant of this club and yet he doesn't get anywhere near the "Hero worship" that Frannie gets.

 

Mike Osman is a good entertainer making his way who does what any Professional Entertainer would do - look for events that aid his day to day business. He though should also be careful not to be seen to take sides

[Guan 2.0]

Not to any real saints fan there isn't.

 

Because anybody who disagrees isn't a real saints fan right?

 

And wow, you actually skipped a step to make this!

 

No true Scotsman is an intentional logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion

 

http://atheism.about.com/od/logicalfallacies/a/notruescotsman.htm

[Macey_J2]

Unofficial event, is it a suprise the current employees arent attending?

[Robsk II]

[benjii]

I'm with FC on this. I cannot believe that some on here don't believe that the '76 Cup Winners are Legends and yet Benali is. They all have been involved and were at the club recently.

 

MLT is not a Legend to me, he is more than that, a Hero, and I count myself very lucky that I and a good number of other Dubai Saints managed to meet him last year. As I said at the time I spoke at length with him about the takeover and I know for a fact that he feels very badly let down for being turned into "Someone's PR B1tch"

 

But, here's the rub. He has decided to take his gripe with NC into the media. I think that is a bad choice. It doesn't stop him being a Hero to me.

 

The real issue though is very simple. In life and in business I have always maintained the same mantra - play it as it is, don't take the p1ss. My opinion is that if somebody was dissing me or my business off, was working behind the scenes to undermine my relationships with people, then, to be honest, I would not be pre-disposed to do that particular person ANY favours. In fact I'd probably do a Liverpool fax to their request.

 

So. MLT is a hero.

 

He has decided to be concerned about NC's reign and take those thoughts into the media - fine

 

But, I'm sorry, Hero, Legend he may be, but to take one side and then ask for support/favours - no, that is IMHO taking the p1ss.

 

I exclude Lawrie from the full force of that rant because he at least doesn't keep running to the press. For Frannie, no I'm sorry Nick Holmes was an equally committed servant of this club and yet he doesn't get anywhere near the "Hero worship" that Frannie gets.

 

Mike Osman is a good entertainer making his way who does what any Professional Entertainer would do - look for events that aid his day to day business. He though should also be careful not to be seen to take sides

 

Indeed, quite right.

[Legod Third Coming]

What's nationality got to do with it?

 

Christ, you're a *****.

 

PS - enjoy hitting that "report" button.

 

In my experience most Italians aren't petty. Most petty people work in Health and Safety and are invariably from Nuneaton, Lincoln or Solihull or some other hell-hole and are only in Health and Safety because they are failed Traiffic Wardens...

 

Italians are flamboyant, womanising, lacking attention to detail and often fail at critical moments - for evidence see Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, etc.

 

But enough of this rampant xenophobia, otherwise I feel a slot on Top Gear in the offing...

[hypochondriac]

What's nationality got to do with it?

 

Christ, you're a *****.

 

PS - enjoy hitting that "report" button.

 

What does being a c*nt have to do with it? p.s. I am half Italian.

[hypochondriac]

Because anybody who disagrees isn't a real saints fan right?

 

And wow, you actually skipped a step to make this!

 

No true Scotsman is an intentional logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion

 

http://atheism.about.com/od/logicalfallacies/a/notruescotsman.htm

 

No because anyone who believes that MLT speaking to the paper diminishes his status as a total and utter legend is not a real saints fan IMO.

[CB Fry]

He was one before and by his own admission did feck all other than hang around the buffet.

 

Look, MLT is a complete legend for what he did on the pitch but he is increasingly making himself look like a bit of a cockle with his amateurish pronouncements.

 

Quite simply, the scenario is this...

 

A bunch of ex-employees of company A, with a recent history, between them, of:

 

1) Admitting using company A in furtherance of a betting scam;

2) Being the public face of an embarrassing and impotent attempt to acquire company A;

3) Spouting off to the media criticising the management of company A;

4) Publically announcing that they are in a legal dispute with company A;

5) Pursuing publically personal vendettas against company A's chairman;

 

are narked because company A has told it's current employees not to attend a small-time local event that will give said people a platform to publically ejaculate forth once more. Whether company A was ever asked for its endorsement of said event before the event was publicised is unknown. Company A has its own charitable foundation and is clearly willing to support initiatives that it considers worthwhile (http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/charity/8839214.Saint_kicks_off____copter_SOS/ http://www.saintsfoundation.co.uk/)

 

FFS - if you were the management of company A would you want to endorse this? Of course not.

 

If anyone needs to make an effort to get onside it is MLT, not Cortese.

 

 

And it's alllll Company A

 

Alllll company A

 

They're by far the greatest company

 

The world has ever seen.

 

 

 

That's why your analogy is possibly the most p is s weak thing you've posted on here. Which is going some.

[Robsk II]

Hypochondriac is a weirdo.

[hypochondriac]

Hypochondriac is a weirdo.

 

Cheers.

[Daren W]

FFS. Lawrie, Tiss and Benali are starting to make themselves look very silly indeed.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1354685/Southampton-players-told-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner-Keegan-McMenemy--Co.html

 

Not one single person has picked up on this quote, funnily enough...

"‘Now we are being told the ex-Saints, which is a charity that raises money for good causes and former players who have fallen on hard times, have been told they can’t use the club badge on any of its paraphernalia or literature."

 

How come not one person has picked up on this?? The club refusing a charity using the club badge for their charity events? That's shocking, absolutely shocking. Just what cost does that incur the club? "Here's our gesture to the charity, the free use of the club badge/emblem." No much is it?

 

It's amazing how blinkered people are by success, we're actually having people making excuses for one side and denigrating the other. So people assume that the reason the current players have been stopped attending a charity event is down to image rights? Image rights?? If you'd have said, the club may want to keep them matchday fresh then I'd have gone with that but Image rights? The morale thing has some validity but it's a mealy mouthed excuse none the less.

 

It's really distasteful the way Mike Osman gets slagged off on her. Decent man who does a hell of a lot of work for charity. And "Lazy Guernsey man"?? Have we really sunk that low that the man who we absolutely worshipped can be called that? For your information Wes, we have no concrete facts from either side, does that entitle anyone to slag off a genuine Saints legend? Are we that desperate for success that we'll side with the club no matter what? I usually agree with you on a lot of things Wes but you're way off base with that comment... way off..

 

People have to judge the chairman independently. How would people be re-acting if, say, it was Rupert Lowe who had done this? Or Michael Wilde? Or Leon Crouch? Think outside your own personal agendas and ask yourself if one of those personalities, perhaps one you vehemently disliked, did this... what would you say? If it was negative, then if it was negative for Lowe or Wilde or Crouch then surely it's a negative for Cortese?

 

I'm actually pro Cortese, I'm grateful that he saved this club and I'm grateful for the intelligent way the club has been run since but that doesn't mean the club is faultless. If Le Tiss and co are annoying them then surely the more dignified response is to be nice, to be accommodating, give them nothing to moan about. Stopping the use of a club logo for a charity, stopping players attending a charity function, is childish and spiteful...

Edited 8 February, 2011 by Daren W

[NickG]

I'm with FC on this. I cannot believe that some on here don't believe that the '76 Cup Winners are Legends and yet Benali is. They all have been involved and were at the club recently.

 

MLT is not a Legend to me, he is more than that, a Hero, and I count myself very lucky that I and a good number of other Dubai Saints managed to meet him last year. As I said at the time I spoke at length with him about the takeover and I know for a fact that he feels very badly let down for being turned into "Someone's PR B1tch"

 

But, here's the rub. He has decided to take his gripe with NC into the media. I think that is a bad choice. It doesn't stop him being a Hero to me.

 

The real issue though is very simple. In life and in business I have always maintained the same mantra - play it as it is, don't take the p1ss. My opinion is that if somebody was dissing me or my business off, was working behind the scenes to undermine my relationships with people, then, to be honest, I would not be pre-disposed to do that particular person ANY favours. In fact I'd probably do a Liverpool fax to their request.

 

So. MLT is a hero.

 

He has decided to be concerned about NC's reign and take those thoughts into the media - fine

 

But, I'm sorry, Hero, Legend he may be, but to take one side and then ask for support/favours - no, that is IMHO taking the p1ss.

 

I exclude Lawrie from the full force of that rant because he at least doesn't keep running to the press. For Frannie, no I'm sorry Nick Holmes was an equally committed servant of this club and yet he doesn't get anywhere near the "Hero worship" that Frannie gets.

 

Mike Osman is a good entertainer making his way who does what any Professional Entertainer would do - look for events that aid his day to day business. He though should also be careful not to be seen to take sides

 

footballing heroes are just that - heroes for their feats on the pitch - it doesn't make them perfect.

 

also agree legend is far too easy a term now.

 

To put this into perspective, these people are on about history - they are not going along each week to watch - they have moved on, and so has the club.

[NickG]

Daren - the comparison with Lowe is one we will always have. Bottom line is a chairman is judged on team performance and crowd support. Lowe had this at times (Hoddle, cup final)- but once that drops the personality and PR flaws are examined.

 

Cortese seems to be running a tight ship, having things going in the right direction - team heading up, crowds very good.

[NickG]

but he doesn't go out of his way to be personable and play to the crowd, he is single minded.

 

Personally I feel these people should try to keep their comments out of the paper for 5 minutes and see if the club is heading in the right direction.

[um pahars]

Not one single person has picked up on this quote, funnily enough...

"‘Now we are being told the ex-Saints, which is a charity that raises money for good causes and former players who have fallen on hard times, have been told they can’t use the club badge on any of its paraphernalia or literature."..

 

You lazy ba****d. I posted the following earlier today (bottom of page 4 I think), you could have at least read it LOL:

 

 

 

IMHO, the freezing out of the Ex-Saints and removing their usage of the crest is just petty and doesn't reflect well on the Club.

 

You can argue that Saints have their own Foundation/Charity now (we have always been involved in other charitable/good causes, but still supported the Ex Saints) and you can argue that it is within their rights to retain ownership of the logo (fair enough to stop exploitation for commercial reasons, but to stop it being used by a bunch of Ex players trying to do some good????) and you can argue that the Club has no control over the direction and operations of the Ex Saints Foundation, but are we really saying that it is impossible for the Club and the Ex Saints to sit down together and agree some parameters about how things will work and what is allowed and what isn't??

 

There has to be some common ground, a position whereby both parties can benefit from harnassing the goodwill of both ex players and the Club.

 

 

 

Allowing the Ex Saints to use our badge costs us nothing in monetary or emotional terms. They are not commercial rivals, its use is not to the detriment of the Club and there is no risk attached to them using it. In fact, IMHO, it can only be a positive relationship (and it should be one where we all benefit). Removing it from them just smacks of pettiness and IMHO is probably due to MLT and Benali sitting on their board. This has got personal, which is a crying shame.

[dune]

Not one single person has picked up on this quote, funnily enough...

"‘Now we are being told the ex-Saints, which is a charity that raises money for good causes and former players who have fallen on hard times, have been told they can’t use the club badge on any of its paraphernalia or literature."

 

How come not one person has picked up on this?? The club refusing a charity using the club badge for their charity events? That's shocking, absolutely shocking. Just what cost does that incur the club? "Here's our gesture to the charity, the free use of the club badge/emblem." No much is it?

 

It's amazing how blinkered people are by success, we're actually having people making excuses for one side and denigrating the other. So people assume that the reason the current players have been stopped attending a charity event is down to image rights? Image rights?? If you'd have said, the club may want to keep them matchday fresh then I'd have gone with that but Image rights? The morale thing has some validity but it's a mealy mouthed excuse none the less.

 

It's really distasteful the way Mike Osman gets slagged off on her. Decent man who does a hell of a lot of work for charity. And "Lazy Guernsey man"?? Have we really sunk that low that the man who we absolutely worshipped can be called that? For your information Wes, we have no concrete facts from either side, does that entitle anyone to slag off a genuine Saints legend? Are we that desperate for success that we'll side with the club no matter what? I usually agree with you on a lot of things Wes but you're way off base with that comment... way off..

 

People have to judge the chairman independently. How would people be re-acting if, say, it was Rupert Lowe who had done this? Or Michael Wilde? Or Leon Crouch? Think outside your own personal agendas and ask yourself if one of those personalities, perhaps one you vehemently disliked, did this... what would you say? If was negative, then if was negative for Lowe or Wilde or Crouch then surely it's a negative for Cortese?

 

I'm actually pro Cortese, I'm grateful that he saved this club and I'm grateful for the intelligent way the club has been run since but that doesn't mean the club is faultless. If Le Tiss and co are annoying them then surely the more dignified response is to be nice, to be accommodating, give them nothing to moan about. Stopping the use of a club logo for a charity, stopping players attending a charity function, is childish and spiteful...

 

Well put.