um pahars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 If there is to be any reconcilliation........ then both sides have to come to the table with a determination to resolve the dispute and acceptance that there has to be a degree of trust, respect, compromise and perhaps even an apology in the discussions. Maybe a good airing of views and then a way forward!!!! Your post just highlights all the "slurs" & "slights" from one side only, which are then countered by others from exactly the opposite position. It's this intransigence that will get us nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 its probably what Hypo "heard"...he has his ear to the ground on so many things You have no idea who I am or who I talk to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 but it is. Cortese is nothing. The Liebherrs are the important people. If cortese was replaced tomorrow, but the Liebherrs stayed it'd, cause a little ripple but nothing more. how is NC cortese nothing when he says himself, he is in complete control...how do you know that markus has not left a pot of money for SFC as long as Cortese runs the show..? you dont....then, you know best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 You have no idea who I am or who I talk to. you imaginary friends Hypo....you are the worst sort of forum snake...try to make out you know stuff, when you clearly dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What do you mean how do I know that? Erm maybe because Cortese does not own the club? In the December 2010 BBC interview, Cortese implied that he is in complete control, none of us know what structure Markus left in place at the club and how any funding is structured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 does it upset you that nasty nick runs our club....maybe sultan bin trump would massage your ego better I'm not upset at all. I think there are many areas he could improve on, just some of which have been mentioned in this thread. Ultimately though he is JUST an employee of the Liebherrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 In the December 2010 BBC interview Cortese implied that he is in complete control, none of us know what structure Markus left in place at the club and how any funding is structured. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) you imaginary friends Hypo....you are the worst sort of forum snake...try to make out you know stuff, when you clearly dont Go and talk to Lawrie's son or the Bournemouth physio and they will confirm they know who I am. While you are at it, also go and talk to Benali (often found at the David Llyod centre) and MLT (often found doing work for organisations such as the BBC including epsiodes of a Question of Sport). If you are serious I am happy to give you my name via PM if you want to go and contact these to confirm that they know me and that I have had conversations with them. If not then STFU. Edited 8 February, 2011 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 how is NC cortese nothing when he says himself, he is in complete control...how do you know that markus has not left a pot of money for SFC as long as Cortese runs the show..? you dont....then, you know best Cortese might think he's in complete control but he isn't in control of his own position therefore he's not in complete control. Do you get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Lol. That adds a lot to the debate! Care to enlighten me with your actual view rather than just "lol". I repeated it because you ignored it the first time and just concentrated on the first part of my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese might think he's in complete control but he isn't in control of his own position therefore he's not in complete control. How do you know that for certain? You are only guessing as you have no idea of the structure Markus left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 How do you know that? You are only guessing. I know because he is just an employee. Employees are not owners. Do you understand the difference between the two? If you do please explain it to delldays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 How do you know that for certain? You are only guessing as you have no idea of the structure Markus left behind. Because in your world Cortese is in total control despite the fact that he does not own the football club or the finance. Lol indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 That is not a fact. "Nicola has been pivotal in conceiving the purchase of the Club and making it happen. I am now delighted to entrust him with overseeing the Club's progress, development and achievement of success over the long term. Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me about buying the Club. I made it clear that I would only buy the Club if he remained involved following the purchase" - Markus Liebherr July 2009 That fact enough for you or do you need it in the mail to believe it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1971 Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese is only an employee. He's nothing special. If the Liebherrs get bored he's gone. I think you will find that Nicola Cortese is actually a Trustee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) Go and talk to Lawrie's son or the Bournemouth physio and they will confirm they know who I am. While you are at it, also go and talk to Benali (often found at the David Llyod centre) and MLT (often found doing work for organisations such as the BBC including epsiodes of a Question of Sport). If you are serious I am happy to give you my name via PM if you want to go and contact these to confirm that they know me and that I have had conversations with them. If not then STFU. Lolz you really are big time Hypo! You have spoken to the son of a manager from 30 years ago, the Bournemouth physio and two ex players who have been retired 12 years or so. I am so sorry to have ever doubted your insight! Edited 8 February, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Lolz you really are big time Hypo! You have spoken to the son of a manager from 30 years ago, the Bournemouth physio and two ex players. I am so sorry to have ever doubted your insight! No I am not big time in any way. TDD is suggesting that I just make things up to appear ITK on here. I do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I know because he is just an employee. Employees are not owners. Do you understand the difference between the two? If you do please explain it to delldays. Because in your world Cortese is in total control despite the fact that he does not own the football club or the finance. Lol indeed. He is not "just an employee". He was a very close friend with the former owner and was left to run the club on his own. It was also Cortese that set up the whole takeover in the first place. The club's website says the club is owned by the "estate of Markus Liebherr" and not the Liebherr family. None of us know how the club's ownership is now structured, Cortese may have been given far more power than you think. He certainly implies this in the 8th December 2010 interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Why has this important thread turned into yet another personal p*ssing contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Hypo and Dune are on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Hypo and Dune are on it. Your contribution moved everyone who saw it to horrible tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I'll just go get some popcorn. This is b*tch fight is really heating up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I think you will find that Nicola Cortese is actually a Trustee. He is not "just an employee". He was a very close friend with the former owner and was left to run the club on his own. It was also Cortese that set up the whole takeover in the first place. The club's website says the club is owned by the "estate of Markus Liebherr" and not the Liebherr family. None of us know how the club's ownership is now structured, Cortese may have been given far more power than you think. He certainly implies this in the 8th December 2010 interview. Can anyone expand on these points because I think we have a right to know about the ownership of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I'll just go get some popcorn. This is b*tch fight is really heating up! I enjoy the us against the world mentality. I don't hate Cortese at all, I just think he isn't the messiah SOME (not all- the balanced people are fine) believe him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 ................. So without concrete evidence, you're going to take the side of the lazy Guernsey man? Well, I have been supporting Saints for the best part of 50 years. I never thought I would hear this sort of comment from a Saints "fan". In 5, 10, 20 years, Cortese, Lowe etc will be gone and forgotten. Matt won't. And maybe by the SFC PLC will support charity events again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Well, I have been supporting Saints for the best part of 50 years. I never thought I would hear this sort of comment from a Saints "fan". In 5, 10, 20 years, Cortese, Lowe etc will be gone and forgotten. Matt won't. And maybe by the SFC PLC will support charity events again. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) In 5, 10, 20 years, Cortese, Lowe etc will be gone and forgotten. Matt won't. And maybe by the SFC PLC will support charity events again. It does support numerous charity events now. However if key figures in a charity slag you off in the national press on numerous occasions you are under no obligation to support that charity. Also "if" under Cortese's leadership the club returned to the Premier League, I'm sure he won't be forgotten when people review the history of the club. Edited 8 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It does support numerous charity events now. However if key figures in a charity slag you off in the national press on numerous occasions you are under no obligation to support that charity. But it's pathetic of our jumped up chairman to stop the manager and the players supporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Matt le Tissier will always be a massive part of Southampton FC, wether Cortese likes that fact or not is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Also "if" under Cortese's leadership the club returned to the Premier League, I'm sure he won't be forgotten when people review the history of the club. I doubt many people remember who owned the club in 1976, let alone who the Chief Exec was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 "Nicola has been pivotal in conceiving the purchase of the Club and making it happen. I am now delighted to entrust him with overseeing the Club's progress, development and achievement of success over the long term. Nicola and I have enjoyed a long business relationship and it was Nicola who convinced me about buying the Club. I made it clear that I would only buy the Club if he remained involved following the purchase" - Markus Liebherr July 2009 That fact enough for you or do you need it in the mail to believe it? Guess that's Hypo 'owned' again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 But it's pathetic of our jumped up chairman to stop the manager and the players supporting it. Do you agree it is pathetic what key members of the charity in question have been doing in the press for the last 18 months? I see nothing wrong with a business telling its employees that they aren't allowed to represent the business at an event held by a charity that has been critical of the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Matt le Tissier will always be a massive part of Southampton FC, wether Cortese likes that fact or not is irrelevant. Cortese is on very dodgy ground if he thinks it's acceptable to take a Wes Tender stance with Matt. There are lot of fans that won't like it and who will quite rightly side with Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I enjoy the us against the world mentality. I don't hate Cortese at all, I just think he isn't the messiah SOME (not all- the balanced people are fine) believe him to be. Are you suggesting that he is a very naughty boy?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 You have no idea who I am or who I talk to. A dark force, or part off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I doubt many people remember who owned the club in 1976, let alone who the Chief Exec was. You can't really compare the two. Never before in Saint's 125 years have they had an owner with real ambition and the resources to match the ambition of putting Saints on the footballing map. Without Cortese/Liebherr the club may have been liquidated in 2009, I think that deserves some recognition in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) Matt le Tissier will always be a massive part of Southampton FC, wether Cortese likes that fact or not is irrelevant. Yes, Le Tissier is a key figure in Saints history. But that doesn't give him the right to slag off Cortese with largely unsubstantiated slurs on numerous occasions in the national and local press and then expect to receive perks and privileges from Cortese. Although it is for very different reasons than Le Tissier and on a much shorter timescale, Nicola Cortese is a key figure for Southampton Football Club, without him we could very well have been without a team at all in the summer of 2009. Edited 8 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Yes, Le Tissier is a key figure in Saints history. But that doesn't give him the right to slag off Cortese with largely unsubstantiated slurs on numerous occasions in the national and local press and then expect to receive perks and privileges from Cortese. Although it is for very different reasons than Le Tissier and other a much shorter timescale, Nicola Cortese is a key figure for Southampton Football Club, without him we could very well have been without a team at all in the summer of 2009. Matt le Tiss has more than earned the right to have an opinion about Southampton FC. Saints were never going to be liquidated, look at the debts of pompey and other clubs, SFC didn't even miss a tax payment. You have to be pretty thick to think the club was going to fold when even a billionare like Marcus said the opportunity was "too good to turn down". The administrators would have had a que of people lined up, that's why they could afford to let pinnacle have a pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Yes, Le Tissier is a key figure in Saints history. But that doesn't give him the right to slag off Cortese with largely unsubstantiated slurs on numerous occasions in the national and local press and then expect to receive perks and privileges from Cortese. Although it is for very different reasons than Le Tissier and on a much shorter timescale, Nicola Cortese is a key figure for Southampton Football Club, without him we could very well have been without a team at all in the summer of 2009. MLG we live in a free society and MLT can say anything within the law if he feels what he is saying is right. You may not agree with what MLT says but that is life. I have no idea whether the Daily Mail's story is true but if current SFC players do not turn up to the celebrations it will be a shame and a pretty strange situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Go and talk to Lawrie's son or the Bournemouth physio and they will confirm they know who I am. While you are at it, also go and talk to Benali (often found at the David Llyod centre) and MLT (often found doing work for organisations such as the BBC including epsiodes of a Question of Sport). If you are serious I am happy to give you my name via PM if you want to go and contact these to confirm that they know me and that I have had conversations with them. If not then STFU. So Benali himself told you he was suing the NC/the club? Or are you not on those kind of talking terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) Matt le Tiss has more than earned the right to have an opinion about Southampton FC. Yes, of course he can say what he likes. It would be better if he had evidence for his views though, rather than jumping on the slagging Cortese off bandwagon with unsubstantiated rumours. However he shouldn't act all surprised and go running back to the press when the person he slagged off doesn't do him any favours with tickets etc etc. Saints were never going to be liquidated, look at the debts of pompey and other clubs, SFC didn't even miss a tax payment. You have to be pretty thick to think the club was going to fold when even a billionare like Marcus said the opportunity was "too good to turn down". The administrators would have had a que of people lined up, that's why they could afford to let pinnacle have a pop. The administrators during administration and afterwards said the club came extremely close to folding. Are they "pretty thick"? Yes, it may make them look better and help their cause in selling the business if they say this. However they still said it and it may have been true. Thus to call me "pretty thick" as you did for believing it may have been a possibility, I feel is unjustified. Edited 8 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 But it's pathetic of our jumped up chairman to stop the manager and the players supporting it. 1) You do not know that is the case 2) The Chairman is running the club and responsible for making decisions concerning use of name & resources - not a huge amount of jumping up to do from that position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Yes, of course he can say what he likes. It would be better if he had evidence for his views though, rather than jumping on the slagging Cortese off bandwagon with unsubstantiated rumours. However he shouldn't act all surprised and go running back to the press when the person he slagged of doesn't do him any favours. The administrators during administration and afterwards said the club came extremely close to folding. Are they "pretty thick"? Yes, it may make them look better and help their cause in selling the business if they say this. However they still said it and it may have been true. Thus to call me "pretty thick" as you did for believing it may have been a possibility, I feel is unjustified. The administrators said what they had to to get people to chuck money in buckets and to try and force a sale - do you seriously think SFC would have folded when you see how many lives that shower of sh!te down the road have had? Compare SFC's assets and size of debt - no way would they have folded. If someone of Marcus' business acumen thought it was a bargain there would have been loads of others waiting to step in. MLT was a bit critical when Pardew was sacked but so was everyone, Cortese just has issues with him over the Pinnacle thing so is just being spiteful IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Originally Posted by Thedelldays you imaginary friends Hypo....you are the worst sort of forum snake...try to make out you know stuff, when you clearly dont Go and talk to Lawrie's son or the Bournemouth physio and they will confirm they know who I am. While you are at it, also go and talk to Benali (often found at the David Llyod centre) and MLT (often found doing work for organisations such as the BBC including epsiodes of a Question of Sport). If you are serious I am happy to give you my name via PM if you want to go and contact these to confirm that they know me and that I have had conversations with them. If not then STFU. You could have chapter and verse tattooed on yourself and you would still misread it. Just why should Cortese let club employees attend a function where you cannot identify what is being done for charity and what is personal gain? Does anybody know for sure any monies go to charity, what people are paid for taking part? Do you then think it's not a bit much that you should bolster such an event with club staff, for people who continually snipe in your direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 you imaginary friends Hypo....you are the worst sort of forum snake...try to make out you know stuff, when you clearly dont Oh but didn't you hear, he knows the Bournemouth physio I'm sure him and someone who is related to someone who used to managed us 30 years ago know everything that's going on at the club. Top contacts indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The administrators said what they had to to get people to chuck money in buckets and to try and force a sale - do you seriously think SFC would have folded when you see how many lives that shower of sh!te down the road have had? Compare SFC's assets and size of debt - no way would they have folded. If someone of Marcus' business acumen thought it was a bargain there would have been loads of others waiting to step in. MLT was a bit critical when Pardew was sacked but so was everyone, Cortese just has issues with him over the Pinnacle thing so is just being spiteful IMO. The problem is the club have to run day to day, that means costs. You have your running costs and your debts, both seperate. The club itself was struggling to pay those costs. We had to sell players and loan people out just to keep running. Even Crouch had put his own money in at one point. The difference between what happened to us and them is that they had someone who agreed to pay the running costs of the club. This mean they could go on for as long as they could with that backing. We didn't have that backing. If we got to the point where our daily out goings were a lot higher then our income and nobody made up the difference we would of had to fold. I don't think you understand the reality of where we were at. Having people interested in buying you is very different from them actually buying you. At the time it looked like ML and Cortese were seen as the last chance saloon. If they walked away we would of had nobody to pay the day to day costs of the company. Meaning the admin team would of had a legal duty to pull the plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 That is not a fact. What is not a fact? That Cortese did the research? That he was the one originally interested in it? That he got ML interested in it? That without Markus' money Cortese would not be here? That without Markus' money we woudn't be here? Or that some of us would prefer us to go under or still be struggling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The problem is the club have to run day to day, that means costs. You have your running costs and your debts, both seperate. The club itself was struggling to pay those costs. We had to sell players and loan people out just to keep running. Even Crouch had put his own money in at one point. The difference between what happened to us and them is that they had someone who agreed to pay the running costs of the club. This mean they could go on for as long as they could with that backing. We didn't have that backing. If we got to the point where our daily out goings were a lot higher then our income and nobody made up the difference we would of had to fold. I don't think you understand the reality of where we were at. Having people interested in buying you is very different from them actually buying you. At the time it looked like ML and Cortese were seen as the last chance saloon. If they walked away we would of had nobody to pay the day to day costs of the company. Meaning the admin team would of had a legal duty to pull the plug. I disagree, it was the bank who called in the administrators and they would have got nothing if it had folded. It was all a game of cat and mouse, the bank wanted as much as possible, the buyer wants it as cheap as possible - that's why it always goes to the edge. At the end of the day a deal would have been done with someone even if it was a leveraged buyout by Lifelong Saint with the bank owning the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 1) You do not know that is the case. I believe Matt Le Tissier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What is not a fact? That Cortese did the research? That he was the one originally interested in it? That he got ML interested in it? That without Markus' money Cortese would not be here? That without Markus' money we woudn't be here? Or that some of us would prefer us to go under or still be struggling? Were it not for "the lazy Guernseyman" as you so scumbagly put it we'd have been down and struggling many years before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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