CanadaSaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Both sides must accept their share of the blame, but sadly there would appear to be too many egos out there to allow for any swallowing of pride. True, but the absolute, crucial, unarguable first step is for the trio to STFU because it's becoming much more than a "spat" and good things are falling victim to it. Cortese is not the one doing the personalized sniping. Although his reaction to it is frustrating and even disappointing, it's also understandable. I don't think he's a man that deals in many compromises, and the sooner people accept that, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) It boils down to whether you believe Matt Le Tissier or not. Unlike some traitors I believe MLT and i'd never refer to him in the snide way you did. MLT should stop giving interviews like this then... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3117929/Matt-Le-Tissier-Whod-work-for-this-chairman.html or this http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8160113.Le_Tiss_wants_Pardew_to_stay_at_Saints/?action=complain&cid=8504937 or this http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/football-league/1011/6/le-tissier-i-wouldnt-be-too-much-rush-work-cortese etc etc etc Is Le Tissier really that stupid that he believes he can say all these things (largely unsubstantiated) about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do him favours? Edited 8 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) ... Edited 8 February, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I just wish they'd all shut TF up and let us get on with our season. In the minority of 1 as usual but I find Cortese's auto trumpet blowing over the AOC affair pretty sick making.Ex Saints and Chairmen should be like small boys, seen and not heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) The Ex Saints is a charity, registered with the Charity Commission (no. 1122431). Edited 8 February, 2011 by um pahars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I just wish they'd all shut TF up and let us get on with our season. In the minority of 1 as usual but I find Cortese's auto trumpet blowing over the AOC affair pretty sick making.Ex Saints and Chairmen should be like small boys, seen and not heard. The ex Saints are the ones making unsubstantiated claims about Cortese in the press and then running back to the press when Cortese doesn't give them perks. All Cortese has done is not give perks to people that slag him off, which he is well within his rights to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Personally I believe because of what they have done for the club they both desearve a bit more respect. Respect is something that is earned, it is not a right due because of some other event or events. I always respected MLT and even more so Lawrie Mac, but the respect they have previously earned has been severely eroded recently. I find it hard to take a bloke seriously who runs to the press to complain about not getting tickets for a game that he has no intention of attending anyway due to work commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Is Le Tissier really that stupid that he believes he can say all these things (largely unsubstantiated) about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do him favours? Not sure whether that was a rhetorical question or not. But the answer is probably "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The ex Saints are the ones making unsubstantiated claims about Cortese in the press and then running back to the press when Cortese doesn't give them perks. All Cortese has done is not give perks to people that slag him off, which he is well within his rights to do. But I wish they'd all just can it all the same.Ex Saints,Chairman Cortese the whole darned lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 hypo, if you have to misrepresent what people are saying in order to make your point, perhaps you don't really have one. Very few people "think Cortese can do no wrong" or that "the onus is entirely on those frozen out of the club to offer an olive branch". But a lot of people seem to think that shutting the frick up instead of sniping from the bushes would be a good start if they truly want this thing resolved. If you count that first step as an "olive branch", I guess I'll have to plead guilty. The evidence of this and numerous other threads suggests that there are many people who would defend Cortese if he said that black was white (not you). All I'm asking for is a bit of balance and that when he f*cks up people are able to admit that he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Oh! and Hypo, may I remind you of this. I was replying to a post about him in this thread but I was referring to the wider issue of fan communication rather than the specific Nick issue which has nothing to do with NC really. Topics as long as this do have a tendency to go off topic a bit and that was one example. I never discussed the merits of NC in relation to the club withholding Nick's ticket and I never used this issue as an excuse to have a pop at NC like Marco is suggesting. WITHIN THAT THREAD I never discussed the merits of NC in relation to the club. I have done so on plenty of other threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 True, but the absolute, crucial, unarguable first step is for the trio to STFU because it's becoming much more than a "spat" and good things are falling victim to it. Cortese is not the one doing the personalized sniping. Although his reaction to it is frustrating and even disappointing, it's also understandable. The problem is that we are now in a vicious curcle and those on the other side would say they are only giving air to their grievances, grievances that have been brought about by Cortese in the first instance. I think the only way to make this work is for some peacemaker (he'd have to be a hell of a peacemaker) to be able to knock some heads together, massage all the bulging egos and clear the air. Ultimately, I'm sure they all have the Club's interests at heart, so there must be some common ground. I don't think he's a man that deals in many compromises, and the sooner people accept that, the better. Well if there is to be any reconcilliation and potential progress, then that may have to be a trait that he moves on, otherwise everyone might as well say that they're not up for a compromise and we just carry on with the vicious circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 As always, Steve Godwin says what I want to say far better than I either could. Well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) The Ex Saints is a charity, registered with the Charity Commission (no. 1122431). You really do need to be careful with what you post on here and would do well to go and do some research before you make incorrect statements accusing organisations of not being something they claim (not having a pop, just think it's dangerous/diengenuous to be talking about subjects/individuals about whom your knowledge is dodgy). Good, Im pleased to hear it. However in that case they are in breach of their Charity Commission registration by not listing on their website their charity registration number, who their trustees are and what their aims are. They need to make that clear, not just because its a statutory duty, but also because without it it frankly makes the organisation look dodgy. Edited 8 February, 2011 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 But I wish they'd all just can it all the same.Ex Saints,Chairman Cortese the whole darned lot of them. Cortese hasn't been the one running to the press about it. He has kept quiet and professional about it without naming names, it is those ex Saints that are going to the press with largely unsubstantiated claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 MLT should stop giving interviews like this then... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3117929/Matt-Le-Tissier-Whod-work-for-this-chairman.html or this http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8160113.Le_Tiss_wants_Pardew_to_stay_at_Saints/?action=complain&cid=8504937 or this http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/football-league/1011/6/le-tissier-i-wouldnt-be-too-much-rush-work-cortese etc etc etc Is Le Tissier really that stupid that he believes he can say all these things (largely unsubstantiated) about Cortese and then expect Cortese to do him favours? Sadly I agree. He was a wonderful wonderful footballer and truly believe he wants what is best for the club yet he has never been the cleverest of people. His heart has always ruled his head and now he has crossed swords with Don Nicola I doubt he can see anything else. It's all so petty though. He'll never be less then a legend in my eyes though despite all this. He is part of our past but we must focus on our future. Nicola Cortese is that future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The Ex Saints is a charity, registered with the Charity Commission (no. 1122431). You really do need to be careful with what you post on here and would do well to go and do some research before you make incorrect statements accusing organisations of not being something they claim (not having a pop, just think it's dangerous/diengenuous to be talking about subjects/individuals about whom your knowledge is dodgy). Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Good, Im pleased to hear it. However in that case they are in breach of their Charity Commission registration by not listing on their website their charity registration number, who their trustees are and what their aims are. They need to make that clear, not just because its a statutory duty, but also because without it it frankly makes the organisation look dodgy. More deceit Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It's all so petty though. He'll never be less then a legend in my eyes though despite all this. He is part of our past but we must focus on our future. Nicola Cortese is that future. Cortese is only an employee. He's nothing special. If the Liebherrs get bored he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 More deceit Tim. How so? Please do enlighten us with your knowledge of charity law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese is only an employee. He's nothing special. Yep. Heaven forbid you post that on here though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 How so? Please do enlighten us with your knowledge of charity law. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28121-Daily-Fail-Southampton-players-told-to-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner...&p=961759#post961759 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese is only an employee. He's nothing special. If the Liebherrs get bored he's gone. really...I think he is slightly more than an employee at the mo...he runs the fecking show he decides who stays, he decides who goes, he says yes to funds, he decides who is the managers etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese is only an employee. He's nothing special. If the Liebherrs get bored he's gone. He was directly quoted in his interview before Christmas that in the event of the Leibherrs wanting to withdraw he knew of other investors. He has delivered on the rest of his claims recently. No reason to doubt him on that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 really...I think he is slightly more than an employee at the mo...he runs the fecking show he decides who stays, he decides who goes, he says yes to funds, he decides who is the managers etc etc etc Custodian of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 really...I think he is slightly more than an employee at the mo...he runs the fecking show he decides who stays, he decides who goes, he says yes to funds, he decides who is the managers etc etc etc And the Liebherrs can fire him with a click of their fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Cortese is only an employee. He's nothing special. If the Liebherrs get bored he's gone. Nope, he said in December interview with the BBC that he has other investors more than happy to step in with the same levels of funding. Do you really think Le Tissier can slag Cortese all he wants in the press and then should be given favours by Cortese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Custodian of the club. but more than "just an employee" though..which was my point he got rid of the home wrecker though...not any old employee could do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Nope, he said he has other investors more than happy to step in with the same levels of funding. It wouldn't be up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Well if there is to be any reconcilliation and potential progress, then that may have to be a trait that he moves on, otherwise everyone might as well say that they're not up for a compromise and we just carry on with the vicious circle. If there is to be any reconcilliation then people who take the chance to bash him through the media need to stop doing that. They have to sit down and talk. But the problem is what do they actually want? It seems to be about them expecting to be entitled to freebies as pointed out in other posts. In that regards it is a selfish individual thing and has nothing at all to do with "the good of the club". Because the club right now is in it's best position in regards to players,fans watching,atmosphere,finance and direction then it has for a long long time. The reality is we could win the premiership, the champions league, and these people would still find something to bash him for. How is talking to the media at every turn "having the clubs best interests at heart"? Seems more of having your own interests at heart in my opinion. Cortese has shown he is a guy who will put his hand up and say he did wrong when he makes a mistake. He will sit down with a group and sort it out. The pictures thing and the argument with News Corp shows that. If MLT and the rest of them want to be involved with our future they need to show the same respect of which they request. Personally in their comments i don't see that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 but more than "just an employee" though..which was my point he got rid of the home wrecker though...not any old employee could do that Markus did, not him. Without Markus' money he is nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Good, Im pleased to hear it. However in that case they are in breach of their Charity Commission registration by not listing on their website their charity registration number, who their trustees are and what their aims are. They need to make that clear, not just because its a statutory duty, but also because without it it frankly makes the organisation look dodgy. You might want to go back through your posts and amend the inaccuracy just in case people only glimpse over this thread and are left with the impression they are not a charity. Sadly mud sticks and the false allegations you have made on here might in some way hurt their activities (however subtly). Plus if you're that concerned with the legal issues, then maybe drop them an e-mail with your queries/concerns Email: m.thew@btinternet.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Markus did not him. Without Markus' money he is nothing. you really are some piece of work.....but he does have markus' money so to speak...with no markus...now what..? you do realise they came in together dont you..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 but more than "just an employee" though..which was my point And your point is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 These are some of the same dark forces that launched a vendetta against Hoddle in 2004. Some of the more gullible and misleaded fans believed it, kicked up a fuss and were responsible for our spiral down to Div 3 ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 And your point is wrong. but it is not....HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 you really are some piece of work.....but he does have markus' money so to speak...with no markus...now what..? you do realise they came in together dont you..? It is up to the Liebherr family what they do not Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It is up to the Liebherr family what they do not Cortese. and thus far, they are leaving cortese to get on with it..... you could say that he is the glue that is holding the leibherrs to the club....which makes him vital could as easily say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 These are some of the same dark forces that launched a vendetta against Hoddle in 2004. Some of the more gullible and misleaded fans believed it, kicked up a fuss and were responsible for our spiral down to Div 3 ! The voice of consistency will surprise us all one day, but not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?28121-Daily-Fail-Southampton-players-told-to-boycott-125th-centenary-dinner...&p=961759#post961759 Hypochondriac in missing the point shocker...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 and thus far, they are leaving cortese to get on with it..... you could say that he is the glue that is holding the leibherrs to the club....which makes him vital could as easily say that But ultimately he is simply an employee of the Liebherrs. He only has as much influence as they allow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 you really are some piece of work.....but he does have markus' money so to speak...with no markus...now what..? you do realise they came in together dont you..? Factually it was Cortese who did all the research into the deal. He was the guy who was interested in it. He got Markus on side and the rest is history. It is true without Markus' money Cortese would not be here. But then again, neither would we. Seems to me some would of prefered us to go under or to still be strugling..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Hypochondriac in missing the point shocker...... Tim doing likewise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It is up to the Liebherr family what they do not Cortese. How do you know that? In the December BBC interview Cortese implied that he is in complete control, none of us know what structure Markus left in place at the club and how any funding is structured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 But ultimately he is simply an employee of the Liebherrs. He only has as much influence as they allow him. does it upset you that nasty nick runs our club....maybe sultan bin trump would massage your ego better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Factually it was Cortese who did all the research into the deal. He was the guy who was interested in it. He got Markus on side and the rest is history. It is true without Markus' money Cortese would not be here. But then again, neither would we. Seems to me some would of prefered us to go under or to still be strugling..... That is not a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 but it is not....HTH but it is. Cortese is nothing. The Liebherrs are the important people. If cortese was replaced tomorrow, but the Liebherrs stayed it'd, cause a little ripple but nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 How do you know that? In the December BBC interview Cortese implied that he is in complete control, none of us know what structure Markus left in place at the club. its probably what Hypo "heard"...he has his ear to the ground on so many things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The problem is that we are now in a vicious curcle and those on the other side would say they are only giving air to their grievances, grievances that have been brought about by Cortese in the first instance. I think the only way to make this work is for some peacemaker (he'd have to be a hell of a peacemaker) to be able to knock some heads together, massage all the bulging egos and clear the air. Ultimately, I'm sure they all have the Club's interests at heart, so there must be some common ground. Well if there is to be any reconcilliation and potential progress, then that may have to be a trait that he moves on, otherwise everyone might as well say that they're not up for a compromise and we just carry on with the vicious circle. Um, to me the only entity capable of making that peace is the fan base, because the protagonists each seem to have their own media outlets. Several of those outlets, sadly, seem to have deserted the middle ground, so they have no part to play in the peace-making. God knows (!) there isn't really one credible voice of the fans, so we'd have to try another way to get our point across that we see this as a very big, very sad negative in a sea of positives. I hasten to point out that I'm not talking about a protest (that's the last thing we need) but some direct fans-to-protagonists communication. Perhaps it's a poll that we could run on here with the results being forwarded to the club. I don't know. Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 How do you know that? In the December BBC interview Cortese implied that he is in complete control, none of us know what structure Markus left in place at the club and how any funding is structured. What do you mean how do I know that? Erm maybe because Cortese does not own the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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