Daily Fail: Southampton players told to boycott 125th centenary dinner...

[buctootim]

But Ex Saints does. It's not actually that difficult.

 

Before you Libelled a good cause, you should have gone out of your way to make sure what you were claiming was true. The onus is on you to get it right.

 

 

 

Apart from the following on the Ex Saints (www.exsaints.co.uk ) homepage:

 

Southampton FC Old Boys Association

 

Welcome to the website of the Southampton FC Old Boys Association which is a registered charity.

 

Great. Its been updated and corrected since yesterday. Im glad my posts were helpful

[um pahars]

Great. Its been updated and corrected since yesterday.

 

The bit underneath shows that it hasn't been updated recently (as with the Charity Commission search, you only saw/found what fitted in with your agenda):

 

The Ex Saints enjoy a close relationship with Southampton FC and have an affiliation agreement with the club.

 

Im glad my posts were helpful

 

I think it would be fair to say that your posts have been distinctly unhelpful, unecessary and in rather poor taste. Trying to discredit a decent little charity in order to justify/demonstrate your support for the Club in this instance is rather distasteful IMHO.

[dune]

Great. Its been updated and corrected since yesterday. Im glad my posts were helpful

 

I looked on there the day before yesterday and it said it was a registered charity. You must have missed it.

 

Now say sorry.

[buctootim]

The bit underneath shows that it hasn't been updated recently (as with the Charity Commission search, you only saw/found what fitted in with your agenda):

 

The Ex Saints enjoy a close relationship with Southampton FC and have an affiliation agreement with the club.

 

 

 

I think it would be fair to say that your posts have been distinctly unhelpful, unecessary and in rather poor taste. Trying to discredit a decent little charity in order to justify/demonstrate your support for the Club in this instance is rather distasteful IMHO.

 

I don't have an agenda. It really isnt difficult to run a charity, especially one turning over

Edited 9 February, 2011 by buctootim

[up and away]

I think that's what the Charity Commission is there for. If you think there is something that needs investigating, then I suggest you contact them direct, as opposed to joining in with the other insinuations, unsubstantiated claims, fallacies and underhand jibes on here.

 

I do find it incredibly sad that people are prepared to step in to the gutter with insinuations and allegations against a registered charity that has done some great work over the years (probably a damn sight more than some of those having a pop on here). Throw in the fact that many of those involved are/were a part of the wider Saints community and I struggle to understand why people want to discredit such a decent little set up.

 

You are going off at a tangent as to why the club should be involved with this? If anyone wants to get the support of the club in any event such as this, they need to show exactly what is happening to monies generated. This is not a two way street, this is some organisation wanting to use the Saints brand for their own purposes. Whether this be under some charitable status or whatever, they need to give far more definition than a charity number for many businesses to get involved.

 

But it still does not explain why this has to be blown out into the public arena. The show is a sell out, what more do they want? I don't think Cortese is perfect and wish some things had never happened, but I cannot fault him on this one. Why should he get the club involved with people who continually snipe in his direction, yet expect unfettered favouritism? When your negotiating tactic is to slag the guy off at every corner, then wonder why he is not lending you his full support, are you really surprised?

 

Cortese does not twig that those having a poke in his direction are nothing more than extending a well worn British pastime, especially when he sees the devastating consequences some of these rumours can have. The damage is now done and they just have to go their own seperate ways, I love Matty to bits for what he has done for the club and his continued support, but he really is as thick as **** on occasions. His addendum to his book in which he claims his take over would still have been able to afford the likes of Lambert is just preposterous, along with his hastily adjusted betting scam. Did he really belive that FA cup mark II was the real deal to provide finance to buy out Saints, did he really believe the FL would suddenly turn their rules inside out halfway through when difficulty was finding the funding?

 

I will always appreciate what Matty has done and he is still a hero, but Cortese is doing things for this club I never thought I would see again. Every couple of months I will watch Matty's goals for a pick up, but If it comes to a choice between the two, Matty does not get a look in.

[um pahars]

It really isnt difficult to run a charity,

 

It might get slightly more difficult when people who haven't got a clue start to state that it isn't even a charity on a public message board in order to discredit it and use it in some petty argument.

 

Your initial claims were simply wrong. If you are going to make such a forceful allegation you have a duty to get it right, you didn't.

 

You were right to remove the false claims (I removed your claim when they were quoted in my reply), but you're doing yourself a disservice here in trying to justify yourself. I'm not sure why you're trying to pick an argument and squirm on this one. You'd be better off just accepting you were out of order and move on.

[um pahars]

You are going off at a tangent as to why the club should be involved with this?

 

I'm afraid I would have to say you're the one going off on a tangent. My main issue on this thread has been with regards the Ex Saints and the withdrawal of the use of the logo etc and that it is the issue I have been discussing (I'm not even bothered about the Mayflower and other gigs and the Club's refusal to let people attend, after all the punters have shown what they think of them by signing up in their thousands to attend).

 

As per Daren W's thread last night, I find this the more petty of the actions by the Club in this sorry affair. Go and have a look at what the Ex-Saints do, how they have been linked in with the Club in the past, how they have used facilities, how the Club has helped them etc etc etc. All of this now has to stop. Why??? I'm guessing that Cortese has widened his net with regards MLT and Benali and is now punishing anything/anyone associated with them. QED The Ex Saints suffer.

Edited 9 February, 2011 by um pahars

[buctootim]

It might get slightly more difficult when people who haven't got a clue start to state that it isn't even a charity on a public message board in order to discredit it and use it in some petty argument.

 

Your initial claims were simply wrong. If you are going to make such a forceful allegation you have a duty to get it right, you didn't.

 

You were right to remove the false claims (I removed your claim when they were quoted in my reply), but you're doing yourself a disservice here in trying to justify yourself. I'm not sure why you're trying to pick an argument and squirm on this one. You'd be better off just accepting you were out of order and move on.

 

Condecension doesn't change facts. You were pleasantly balanced for a week or so after a long sabbatical from here, but have now returned to type. Go back to the head in sand routine, it suits you.

Edited 9 February, 2011 by buctootim

[dune]

It might get slightly more difficult when people who haven't got a clue start to state that it isn't even a charity on a public message board in order to discredit it and use it in some petty argument.

 

Your initial claims were simply wrong. If you are going to make such a forceful allegation you have a duty to get it right, you didn't.

 

You were right to remove the false claims (I removed your claim when they were quoted in my reply), but you're doing yourself a disservice here in trying to justify yourself. I'm not sure why you're trying to pick an argument and squirm on this one. You'd be better off just accepting you were out of order and move on.

 

I agree. He should have just held his hands up and said sorry. End of argument.

 

In a way I hope he now comes back with a snide remark because it's good entertainment seeing him make even more of a fool of himself. Not for the first time.

[dune]

Condecension doesn't change facts. You were pleasantly balanced for a week or so after a long sabbatical from here, but have now returned to type. Go back to the head in sand routine, it suits you.

 

Right on cue...

 

[um pahars]

Condecension doesn't change facts. You were pleasantly balanced for a week or so after a long sabbatical from here, but have now returned to type. Go back to the head in sand routine, it suits you.

 

If you consider asking someone to correct themselves when they have made a completely untrue, potentially damaging and totally unnecessary allegation as head in sand, then I'm happy to be on the beach.

 

First time around I stated I wasn't looking for an argument just pointing out that if you are going to posts such stuff then you need to make sure it is water tight (as it was stated as a fact not an opinion). You've been the one squirming, when you'd have been better off just apologising and leaving it as a ckco up on your part.

[saintjay77]

 

What is their exact definition of charity? All time and services given completely free, or do we have "expenses" in here? Under Wilde we had people taking money out of the club that we could not afford. Unless the club knows exactly these details, they are well advised to stay well clear and do their own thing. No company gets involved with a charity, unless they are sure of what is being done and what costs are being levied. Do you know and would you like to share this information?

 

I have seen one do at Eastleigh supported by ex Saints players which I could only describe as pyramid selling. Another at SMS in one of the suites which was promoting some miracle product, again with an ex Saint in attendance. Miracles don't seem to last as long as they used to, especially on the evidence of that ones duration.

 

http://opencharities.org/charities/1122431

This has a little bit on the accounts but doesnt really show much.

 

Accounts date Income Spending More info

31 Mar 2009 £20,411 £8,842

 

What that means I have no idea.

[Gemmel]

buctootim, youve made a bit of arse of yourself.... stop digging

[shurlock]

Lets not kid ourselves - plenty of things qualify as charities, even private schools that have dubious value. While I have nothing against ex-saints, its important to distinguish between how much of its proceeds go to local good causes and how much goes it to helping out former players (not to mention how much gets swallowed up in overheads). While I have nothing against helping former players -certainly many of these pros are bigger men than scumbag c**nts that pass as professionals nowdays will ever be but never enjoyed the same advantnages, there are nonetheless probably more deserving causes in the ultimate scheme of things. Money's tight, so some things will lose out. Given the choice I would prefer to donate my metaphorical loose change to the Saints foundation which appears to support a wider set of causes than ex-saints. We live in a world in which charities are in competition with each for scarce resources - and that can lead to unfortunate outcomes.

[aintforever]

I don't see what the charity thing has got to do with it anyway, the Saints Foundation won't lose out on a penny if some players turn up at the Mayflower on Sunday.

 

If SFC gave a sh!te about the Saints Foundation the whole team would be there with buckets.

 

Fact is it would be nice for the fans if some players were there, for that reason alone they should have been allowed to go, charity or no charity.

[shurlock]

If SFC gave a sh!te about the Saints Foundation the whole team would be there with buckets

 

That would be a good idea.

[hypochondriac]

buctootim, youve made a bit of arse of yourself.... stop digging

 

Yep.

[CB Fry]

Condecension doesn't change facts.

 

Go back to the head in sand routine, it suits you.

 

 

Lies don't change facts either.

 

I don't think it's condecending to point that out to someone peddling lies that they are, in fact, full of it. And you are.

 

True to form for you of course, as I have seen beofre how jolly skilled you are at fact avoidance.

 

 

 

 

Fabulous stuff on this thread people. The march of the Cortese cult goes on, and Matthew Le Tissier is nothing more than "an ex employee of a company" in the eyes of a select few in our fanbase. "An ex employee of a company". Matthew. Le. Tissier.

 

If Rupert Lowe had said anything even approaching that in his time there would be absolute frigging uproar.

 

But you lot have gone weak at the knees for some Mediterranean accountant like Shirley Valentine getting all wet over Tom Conti.

 

And Le Tissier is forgotten like the abandoned kids of a 39 year old Portswood trollop who's eloped with some Greek waiter.

 

Who needs players and heritage and history when we've got a wonderful chairman with 18 months service to swoon over. "Ex-employees" no longer welcome or needed. Nicola is all that matters now. Nicola is all that matters now.

[um pahars]

We live in a world in which charities are in competition with each for scarce resources - and that can lead to unfortunate outcomes.

 

Absolutely, and it should be left up to the individual where they donate their time, services or money. That is their personal choice.

 

But why are we now so concerned with the Ex Saints (it's mission statement, it's fund raising record, it's overhead costs, it's charity reg. no., it's website etc)? I never remember it causing so much uproar in the past, or being accused of being in competition with the Club or its charitable arm (in fact I would argue they should be complimentary).

 

In the past it has gone about it's work without much fuss, working with the Club and various local communities, supporting worthy causes, spreading cheer and leaving a positive association with Saints and the Club's former players.

 

The simple reason is that it has now become a political football being kicked about by people (on here and in the real world) in their attempt to justify someone's actions and to score some cheap points in an increasingly bitter personal struggle.

 

Had the Club continued to allow them to use the Club badge and their association with the Club, then I doubt anyone would have raised an eyebrow. It would have just been happily accepted that the Club and the Ex Saints could work together in a positive manner for all concerned.

 

Instead people seem to be looking to find a hole in their raison detre as a justification to back up what I can only describe as a sorry and petty decision, fuelled IMHO not by any commercial, moral or charitable reasoning, but instead another blow in an increasingly spiteful battle of egos.

Edited 9 February, 2011 by um pahars

[Roger]

You are going off at a tangent as to why the club should be involved with this? If anyone wants to get the support of the club in any event such as this, they need to show exactly what is happening to monies generated. This is not a two way street, this is some organisation wanting to use the Saints brand for their own purposes. Whether this be under some charitable status or whatever, they need to give far more definition than a charity number for many businesses to get involved.

 

But it still does not explain why this has to be blown out into the public arena. The show is a sell out, what more do they want? I don't think Cortese is perfect and wish some things had never happened, but I cannot fault him on this one. Why should he get the club involved with people who continually snipe in his direction, yet expect unfettered favouritism? When your negotiating tactic is to slag the guy off at every corner, then wonder why he is not lending you his full support, are you really surprised?

 

Cortese does not twig that those having a poke in his direction are nothing more than extending a well worn British pastime, especially when he sees the devastating consequences some of these rumours can have. The damage is now done and they just have to go their own seperate ways, I love Matty to bits for what he has done for the club and his continued support, but he really is as thick as **** on occasions. His addendum to his book in which he claims his take over would still have been able to afford the likes of Lambert is just preposterous, along with his hastily adjusted betting scam. Did he really belive that FA cup mark II was the real deal to provide finance to buy out Saints, did he really believe the FL would suddenly turn their rules inside out halfway through when difficulty was finding the funding?

 

I will always appreciate what Matty has done and he is still a hero, but Cortese is doing things for this club I never thought I would see again. Every couple of months I will watch Matty's goals for a pick up, but If it comes to a choice between the two, Matty does not get a look in.

 

Congratulations for youre little speech. Ge you. Two words. Short memories.

[dune]

buctootim, youve made a bit of arse of yourself.... stop digging

 

I think he's doing alright.

[Jonnyboy]

 

And Le Tissier is forgotten like the abandoned kids of a 39 year old Portswood trollop who's eloped with some Greek waiter.

 

QUOTE]

 

eh?

[Guan 2.0]

 

And Le Tissier is forgotten like the abandoned kids of a 39 year old Portswood trollop who's eloped with some Greek waiter.

 

 

eh?

 

Don't worry, anybody who doens't want to give up your house to build a statue Matt Le Tiss is not a true saints fan in CB fry's eyes. Also he thinks that thinking that Matt might not be a perfect human being, and could even be wrong on some things (i.e. pinnacle), makes you in love with Cortese, who is just "some rat faced foriegner" (his words). In fact, a lot of his posting follow a hypersexual bent. And at all costs, disavow any positive vibes towards the chairman. Odd that!

[Daren W]

Lies don't change facts either.

 

I don't think it's condecending to point that out to someone peddling lies that they are, in fact, full of it. And you are.

 

True to form for you of course, as I have seen beofre how jolly skilled you are at fact avoidance.

 

 

 

 

Fabulous stuff on this thread people. The march of the Cortese cult goes on, and Matthew Le Tissier is nothing more than "an ex employee of a company" in the eyes of a select few in our fanbase. "An ex employee of a company". Matthew. Le. Tissier.

 

If Rupert Lowe had said anything even approaching that in his time there would be absolute frigging uproar.

 

But you lot have gone weak at the knees for some Mediterranean accountant like Shirley Valentine getting all wet over Tom Conti.

 

And Le Tissier is forgotten like the abandoned kids of a 39 year old Portswood trollop who's eloped with some Greek waiter.

 

Who needs players and heritage and history when we've got a wonderful chairman with 18 months service to swoon over. "Ex-employees" no longer welcome or needed. Nicola is all that matters now. Nicola is all that matters now.

 

Pretty much true.. It's pretty shameful how people have turned on Matt, one poster on here even had the temerity to say that Matt wasn't so much loyal more lazy and stuck with Saints as it was just closer to home.. Show me one person, just one person, who thought that in the late 90's. They never existed . To a man we all adored Matt.

 

I appreciate Cortese, appreciate what he's achieved here but I'm also just as appreciative that we had a player like Matt to make the quite awful 90's bearable...

 

The way he's been denigrated on here by some people is just shameful...

[scotty]

10 pages and counting, ffs

[hypochondriac]

10 pages and counting, ffs

 

I think the last few pages, more and more sensible people are posting now they aren't being shouted down so much by the loons. Daren W, Um Pahars, Steve Godwin, CB Fry and others.

[Saint_clark]

There is a reason the likes of Rodrigues and Channon are still involved with the club and the likes of Le Tissier and McMenemy are not. The former have not been mouthing off in the press.

Obviously some people are being absolute retards in their comments about Le Tissier, but these are few and far between. If Matt and Lawrie stopped moaning in the papers they'd have more of a role at the club - that is what the majority of us are saying.

[Roger]

There is a reason the likes of Rodrigues and Channon are still involved with the club and the likes of Le Tissier and McMenemy are not. The former have not been mouthing off in the press.

Obviously some people are being absolute retards in their comments about Le Tissier, but these are few and far between. If Matt and Lawrie stopped moaning in the papers they'd have more of a role at the club - that is what the majority of us are saying.

I think the fact you use words like retards show that youre not able to debate mate. I think it is absolutely disgusting how people are forgetting what matt did for us. I also think that cortese needs to change his stance on this. Its completely pathetic this situation

[scotty]

I think the last few pages, more and more sensible people are posting now they aren't being shouted down so much by the loons. Daren W, Um Pahars, Steve Godwin, CB Fry and others.

 

tbh mate, I just cant be bothered to trawl through it all. This threads like my cooking, overdone and tasteless. Far as I can tell it boils down to "Matty was a great player and a Saints legend, but may have an agenda due to his Pinnacle connection and therefore planted a story in the daily mail", or "Cortese is a ruthless bastard who happens to be the person in charge of our current money supply and isnt overly fond of Pinnacle". I imagine theres a grain of truth in both of those, and if nobodys agreed on it after 10 pages of waffle then they arent likely to.

[Roger]

tbh mate, I just cant be bothered to trawl through it all. This threads like my cooking, overdone and tasteless. Far as I can tell it boils down to "Matty was a great player and a Saints legend, but may have an agenda due to his Pinnacle connection and therefore planted a story in the daily mail", or "Cortese is a ruthless bastard who happens to be the person in charge of our current money supply and isnt overly fond of Pinnacle". I imagine theres a grain of truth in both of those, and if nobodys agreed on it after 10 pages of waffle then they arent likely to.

 

I think also the fact that its the clubs 125 year anniversary and the club has stopped the players from going to the do. I think that that is petty.

[Roger]

I think also the fact that its the clubs 125 year anniversary and the club has stopped the players from going to the do. I think that that is petty.

 

Also, did anyone notice that matty wasnt on the clubs 125 year pictures on merchandise? That must have been pre empted. Shearer etc were on there but no matty. If thats not petty I dont know what is?

[Saint_clark]

I think the fact you use words like retards show that youre not able to debate mate. I think it is absolutely disgusting how people are forgetting what matt did for us. I also think that cortese needs to change his stance on this. Its completely pathetic this situation

 

Erm, what? I agree with you about the comments r.e. Le Tissier. I.E, the people forgetting what he did for us are retards.

[shurlock]

Absolutely, and it should be left up to the individual where they donate their time, services or money. That is their personal choice.

 

But why are we now so concerned with the Ex Saints (it's mission statement, it's fund raising record, it's overhead costs, it's charity reg. no., it's website etc)? I never remember it causing so much uproar in the past, or being accused of being in competition with the Club or its charitable arm (in fact I would argue they should be complimentary).

 

In the past it has gone about it's work without much fuss, working with the Club and various local communities, supporting worthy causes, spreading cheer and leaving a positive association with Saints and the Club's former players.

 

The simple reason is that it has now become a political football being kicked about by people (on here and in the real world) in their attempt to justify someone's actions and to score some cheap points in an increasingly bitter personal struggle.

 

Had the Club continued to allow them to use the Club badge and their association with the Club, then I doubt anyone would have raised an eyebrow. It would have just been happily accepted that the Club and the Ex Saints could work together in a positive manner for all concerned.

 

Instead people seem to be looking to find a hole in their raison detre as a justification to back up what I can only describe as a sorry and petty decision, fuelled IMHO not by any commercial, moral or charitable reasoning, but instead another blow in an increasingly spiteful battle of egos.

 

I agree with alot of this - why bang on about the charity? in part because I think NC is sincere about saints foundation and wants it to be successful - its one of the most noticeable things that have changed under the new regime (though this might also be due to branding but i won't be surprised if it goes on to have a larger impact than previous club-sanctioned efforts).

 

The economics are that ex-saints and the saints foundation are in a zero-sum game for donations. Because the people who are most likely to donate money to ex-saints are the same people who will be donating money to the saints foundation and money is tight-one charity's gain is increasingly the other's loss.

 

And to the extent that two charities have quite different goals, NC quite rationally wants to ensure that as much money as possible flows to saints foundation - if that means keeping tight control over his big ticket items (e.g. access to players) so they can be leveraged for its own events, so be it. After all, how many times would you be willing to pay to meet or dine with players (if at all)? Personally I have no preference for either charity in terms of the personalities or the endorsement of the club (or lack of); but I do think the saints foundation supports a greater and more valuable range of good causes and therefore more worthwhile (or maybe I just have a thing for kids in Africa ).

 

But as you say, politics underlie this - nobody has come away looking good - not NC not the former players. Each party has been involved in a futile d ick-waving contest. NC is predictably intranisigent. Meanwhile, legends though they are, the likes of MLT and Franny have mixed arrogance with incompetence - arrogance because they are presumptuous to think that they can call the tune and pay no heed to what they say in an irresponsible, sh*t-stirring media which affects the club in the here and now. Incompetence because they've played into NC's hands -rather than taking the moral high ground and working behind the scenes, they've made it easy for NC to cast them in the wrong. And while they have some legitimate concerns, those concerns look shakier and shakier with each kiss-and-tell and rent-a-quote to gimps on Soccer AM or in the Mail.

 

Finally, shame that the d ick-waving has spread to the thread - anyone who claims to be balanced is a liar. Alas because they are on the defensive and feel embattled, the anti-NC voices have been the most extreme - that's human but self-defeating - every forum needs its sceptics; but it becomes harder to look past the personalities whenever a contrarian positon is held and all too easy not to take them seriously, even when they might be getting at some truth. Ultimately, that's all our loss.

Edited 10 February, 2011 by shurlock

[Big John]

and there was of course the suggestion on here a while ago that suggested that Fry asked Markus for a 'bonus'. Markus apparently told him that if ever he repeated the request he would report him to the police. all alleged of course.

[Matthew Le God]

the people forgetting what he did for us are retards.

 

No-one in this thread that I have seen has doubted the good service Le Tissier gave the club for many years. Doesn't mean he should expect any favours from the club if he constantly uses the media to bad mouth Cortese. Nor should the "Ex Saints" if some of their key members do the same.

 

Of course Cortese isn't above criticism, but to publicly criticise him constantly with unsubstantiated rumour isn't professional, nor is it going to make someone go out of their way to help your cause. It is odd that Le Tiss and other former Saints that have done the same seem surprised that Cortese doesn't give them favours. I'd do exactly the same if I were Cortese, who has remained quiet and professional on this issue and all he has done is not dished out favours to those that use the media against him.

Edited 10 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[hypochondriac]

Well done to the intelligent posters who have confirmed my belief that this forum is largely made up of normal fans that I meet in the pubs around Southampton and not the odd people that believe Cortese to be something akin to a deity a MLT a lazy bloke from Guernsey (FFS). All that happens is that people don't want to share their sensible opinions for fear of being shouted down or insulted. It has taken a few pages for the louder ones to wear themselves out and then we get some posts of real quality putting across what I believe to be the view of 90% of saints fans away from the forum.

 

Of course you still get the obsessives like Matthew Le God (possibly consider a name change?) droning on but no one is really listening now.

 

The last few pages on here has been heartening. I say to the people who have contributed on them to speak up more often and make your voices heard. The forum is better for it.

[Frank's cousin]

I appreciate that the sniping is not actually that harmful - nor is it of any real impotance apart from being an annoying distraction, but several posters have implied that 'NOTHING' should/could take anything thing away from Matts/Lawries status if you are a real fan (Hypo)... I am just curious to know what would in your opinion erode that status... would they actually have to do real damage to the club in some way for this hero status to change? What if we heard Lawrie or Matt saying that in their opinion Chamberlain would have been better to go to a 'bigger club? would that have done it?

 

Its just as Weston pointed out, the recent 'critism' on Sky seemed planned - and although entitled to their opinion as we all are, what is the aim of these remarks, just what are they hoping will be the outcome? From those defending the explayers and mangers etc who are publiclly critical, what is your take on why they are doing it? Do they have a long term plan? Do they think it will help their cause, because from wher I am sitting its simply dividing a message board - not much else really.

[hypochondriac]

They would have to actively work to damage the club. MLT would not do that so he will not be diminished in my eyes.

[shurlock]

Well done to the intelligent posters who have confirmed my belief that this forum is largely made up of normal fans that I meet in the pubs around Southampton and not the odd people that believe Cortese to be something akin to a deity a MLT a lazy bloke from Guernsey (FFS). All that happens is that people don't want to share their sensible opinions for fear of being shouted down or insulted. It has taken a few pages for the louder ones to wear themselves out and then we get some posts of real quality putting across what I believe to be the view of 90% of saints fans away from the forum.

 

Of course you still get the obsessives like Matthew Le God (possibly consider a name change?) droning on but no one is really listening now.

 

The last few pages on here has been heartening. I say to the people who have contributed on them to speak up more often and make your voices heard. The forum is better for it.

 

Does intelligence only extend to people who agree with you? Are MLT and co. beyond total reproach for the way they've dealt with this issue? Have kiss-and-tells to the press not ratcheted up tensions and made them harder, not easier to solve? What about stories that we're up for sell (whatever their provenance)?

Edited 10 February, 2011 by shurlock

[Saint_clark]

Does intelligence only extend to people who agree with you? Are MLT and co. beyond total reproach for the way they've dealt with this issue? Have kiss-and-tells to the press not ratcheted up tensions and made them harder, not easier to solve? What about stories that we're up for sell (whatever their provenance)?

 

It certainly seems that way.

This thread is just very bizarre.

[hypochondriac]

Does intelligence only extend to people who agree with you?

 

Not at all, I just think that my view is representative of the majority of saints fans not on this forum, as evidenced by some of people I know in real life from here posting similar thoughts to myself and the vast vast majority who I speak to not on here who believe as I do.

 

Are MLT and co. beyond total reproach for the way they've dealt with this issue?

 

Nope, but I feel the onus is on Cortese seeing as he is the one denying a charity use of the clubs logo and actively discouraging a very worth cause as well as making no attempt to recognise the value that MLT and others brings to SFC and trying to put his own dislike of Matt aside for the good of the club. Ultimately it is the club which misses out.

 

Have kiss-and-tells to the press not ratcheted up tensions and made them harder, not easier to solve? What about stories that we're up for sell (whatever their provenance)?

 

I am not aware if MLT has not tried to contact the club in the past to try to resolve the situation. Cortese's disdain for MLT who he believed helped Pinnacle was clear at the last fans forum. If we also look at how NI was ignored about the season ticket issue then it is quite plausible that Matt was ignored had he tried to find a sensible resolution.

 

You see to me, Southampton FC has and always will be a family, even (believe it or not) after the current employees have left. As a family, SFC should be inclusive and not exclusive. I find it extremely sad that an event to celebrate 125 years of SFC and attended by a load of fans and club legends is not going ahead without the complete backing of the club. Now the club could ring up tomorrow, say lets put it behind us and we could all move together on the same page. I think the fact that the club refuses to do so is very sad.

Edited 10 February, 2011 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

It certainly seems that way.

This thread is just very bizarre.

 

Don't assume. It makes an ass out of you and me (mostly you.)

[Saint_clark]

Don't assume. It makes an ass out of you and me (mostly you.)

 

Meh, I don't care either way. It's clear to me that almost everyone has got the wrong end of multiple sticks in this thread, and I can't wait for it to disappear.

[shurlock]

It certainly seems that way.

This thread is just very bizarre.

 

Absolutely - even the suggestion that criticism of MLT over this issue must start from deeper objection to him is bizarre. That's akin to once trusting neighbours or even family members ratting on each other in some f**ked up dystopia.

Edited 10 February, 2011 by shurlock

[Matthew Le God]

Meh, I don't care either way. It's clear to me that almost everyone has got the wrong end of multiple sticks in this thread, and I can't wait for it to disappear.

 

Well you have the power. Close the thread as it is going round in circles now.

[Matthew Le God]

Of course you still get the obsessives like Matthew Le God (possibly consider a name change?) droning on but no one is really listening now.

 

My username represents my appreciation for him as a player (I first used this username over 8 years ago), it not all encompassing of all things he has done outside the football pitch. He says some very silly things and doesn't think about the implications of his actions and words.

[hypochondriac]

My username represents my appreciation for him as a player (I first used this username over 8 years ago), it not all encompassing of all things he has done outside the football pitch. He says some very silly things and doesn't think about the implications of his actions and words.

 

As do you, though the implication of your words is that I am no off to sleep, safe in the knowledge that it will be easier to nod off.

[Matthew Le God]

As do you, though the implication of your words is that I am no off to sleep, safe in the knowledge that it will be easier to nod off.

 

I am just a random on an internet messageboard. Fleet Street, Sky, Daily Echo etc don't publish or broadcast my views (thank god you may say ) so there is a significant difference. Le Tissier and other ex Saints running to the press with their views does impact on Saints and the perceptions of the fanbase for better or worse and they really should think through what their comments may lead to.

Edited 10 February, 2011 by Matthew Le God

[hypochondriac]

I am just a random on an internet messageboard. Fleet Street, Sky, Daily Echo etc don't publish or broadcast my views (thank god you may say ) so there is a significant difference. Le Tissier and other ex Saints running to the press with their views does impact Saints for better or worse and they really should think through what their comments may lead to.

 

I am not aware if MLT has not tried to contact the club in the past to try to resolve the situation. Cortese's disdain for MLT who he believed helped Pinnacle was clear at the last fans forum. If we also look at how NI was ignored about the season ticket issue then it is quite plausible that Matt was ignored had he tried to find a sensible resolution. If this were the case and MLT felt he had exhausted other avenues then it is possible that he felt the best course of action was to make his concerns public in the hope that it would publically shame the club into some sort of constructive dialogue (as the Sun did very successfully.).

[Jimmy_D]

Well you have the power. Close the thread as it is going round in circles now.

 

Agreed.

 

I can't see anything else constructive coming from this thread now, and everyone has had a chance to put their opinion already. I doubt more arguing will change anyone's mind now.

 

I understand that Ex Saints is in fact a registered charity. I'd missed that when I posted earlier in the thread and stated it wasn't, so I'm sorry for that, especially if it's caused some of the arguing here.

 

In any case I don't see it being too long before something else happens between Cortese and MLT and this all comes up again. Hopefully the next thread will be discussing how Cortese and MLT have reconciled their differences.