Political correctness

[Frank's cousin]

Dune - you mentioned before that you find Positive discrimination wrong.... Of course positive discrimination is 'wrong' - because in an enlightened and civilized society there would be no need for it. However, as the number of under educated bigots amongst our society proves time and again, there is a necessity for it to avoid the discrimination in the first place. That is why in some cases these HR rules apply. Simple solution is get rid of bigotry in our society and there will be no need for these policies and we would all be happy.

 

Dune, if you want to be given 'respect' and have adult debate, then at the very least you need to respect those that you are 'debating'. That means coming clean on your agenda and politic. Even Oswald Moseley at least stood behind his fascist banner (with the support of the Daily Mail no less)... you frequent denials of your obvious xenophobia and extreme political views is so obviously characteristic of the 'new' far right, with its futile and frankly pathetic attempts to present an intellectual debate and the 'sunny' and 'intelugent' side of fascism... would make me laugh if it was not so dangerous, because sadly it works well as a recruitment tool with teh under educated whofail to see the truth beyond te fake mask of respectibilty - Thankfully recruiting efforts for your right wing paranoid groups on here will hopefully bear no fruit as there are at leats some who see through it and will happily expose it for what it is.

[dune]

Dune - you mentioned before that you find Positive discrimination wrong.... Of course positive discrimination is 'wrong' - because in an enlightened and civilized society there would be no need for it. However, as the number of under educated bigots amongst our society proves time and again, there is a necessity for it to avoid the discrimination in the first place. That is why in some cases these HR rules apply. Simple solution is get rid of bigotry in our society and there will be no need for these policies and we would all be happy.

 

Dune, if you want to be given 'respect' and have adult debate, then at the very least you need to respect those that you are 'debating'. That means coming clean on your agenda and politic. Even Oswald Moseley at least stood behind his fascist banner (with the support of the Daily Mail no less)... you frequent denials of your obvious xenophobia and extreme political views is so obviously characteristic of the 'new' far right, with its futile and frankly pathetic attempts to present an intellectual debate and the 'sunny' and 'intelugent' side of fascism... would make me laugh if it was not so dangerous, because sadly it works well as a recruitment tool with teh under educated whofail to see the truth beyond te fake mask of respectibilty - Thankfully recruiting efforts for your right wing paranoid groups on here will hopefully bear no fruit as there are at leats some who see through it and will happily expose it for what it is.

 

Define what fascism is. The term is banded around a lot, but nobody really knows what it is. Most scholars agree that a "fascist regime" is foremost an authoritarian form of government, although not all authoritarian regimes are fascist.

[Verbal]

Fascism is a combination of the denial of civil rights common in all liberal democracies (including right of assembly, universal suffrage, the principle of equality before the law, etc), state-sponsored repression (including the routine use of torture and other means of silencing civil opposition from the populace), militaristic rule (and the concomitant imprisonment, killing and torture of democratic political figures), and a political ideology suffused with the idea of political centrism and leftism as contagion - all yoked to a ferocious nationalism or 'volk'.

 

All of this led to your evidently favoured outcome - the Holocaust.

[Deppo]

Don't be daft, Verbal. Didn't you hear dune - NOBODY knows what fascism is. NOBODY. You hear me? Not even you. So don't pretend you do. Fascism is like love, it's an abstract concept that can't be defined.

Edited 9 February, 2011 by Deppo

[Deppo]

Oh, wait... I've just read your post, Verbal. Yeah, you actually did get that one right. That IS what fascism is. Sorry. What was I mistaking it with? Art? Yes, I think it is art that you can't define.

[solentstars]

Dune - you mentioned before that you find Positive discrimination wrong.... Of course positive discrimination is 'wrong' - because in an enlightened and civilized society there would be no need for it. However, as the number of under educated bigots amongst our society proves time and again, there is a necessity for it to avoid the discrimination in the first place. That is why in some cases these HR rules apply. Simple solution is get rid of bigotry in our society and there will be no need for these policies and we would all be happy.

 

Dune, if you want to be given 'respect' and have adult debate, then at the very least you need to respect those that you are 'debating'. That means coming clean on your agenda and politic. Even Oswald Moseley at least stood behind his fascist banner (with the support of the Daily Mail no less)... you frequent denials of your obvious xenophobia and extreme political views is so obviously characteristic of the 'new' far right, with its futile and frankly pathetic attempts to present an intellectual debate and the 'sunny' and 'intelugent' side of fascism... would make me laugh if it was not so dangerous, because sadly it works well as a recruitment tool with teh under educated whofail to see the truth beyond te fake mask of respectibilty - Thankfully recruiting efforts for your right wing paranoid groups on here will hopefully bear no fruit as there are at leats some who see through it and will happily expose it for what it is.

 

i think you summed up the far right racist for what he is,reminds me of that other far right thickish idiot stanley, where do these sad little losers come from.

[dune]

Don't be daft, Verbal. Didn't you here dune - NOBODY knows what fascism is. NOBODY. You hear me? Not even you. So don't pretend you do. Fascism is like love, it's an abstract concept that can't be defined.

 

Grow up.

[dune]

Here is one definition of fascism:

 

Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.

 

I'm certainly not a fascist if this is the correct definition.

[Mao Cap]

Here is one definition of fascism:

 

Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism.

 

I'm certainly not a fascist if this is the correct definition.

 

We went over all this back when you were Stanley.

 

http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

[miserableoldgit]

Dune - you mentioned before that you find Positive discrimination wrong.... Of course positive discrimination is 'wrong' - because in an enlightened and civilized society there would be no need for it. However, as the number of under educated bigots amongst our society proves time and again, there is a necessity for it to avoid the discrimination in the first place. That is why in some cases these HR rules apply. Simple solution is get rid of bigotry in our society and there will be no need for these policies and we would all be happy.

 

Dune, if you want to be given 'respect' and have adult debate, then at the very least you need to respect those that you are 'debating'. That means coming clean on your agenda and politic. Even Oswald Moseley at least stood behind his fascist banner (with the support of the Daily Mail no less)... you frequent denials of your obvious xenophobia and extreme political views is so obviously characteristic of the 'new' far right, with its futile and frankly pathetic attempts to present an intellectual debate and the 'sunny' and 'intelugent' side of fascism... would make me laugh if it was not so dangerous, because sadly it works well as a recruitment tool with teh under educated whofail to see the truth beyond te fake mask of respectibilty - Thankfully recruiting efforts for your right wing paranoid groups on here will hopefully bear no fruit as there are at leats some who see through it and will happily expose it for what it is.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments in your post, what people can`t seem to see is that the perceived rise of "Political Correctness" (getting back to the original subject!) is one the things that is making the extreme right seem like good prospect to certain people. The recent reported case of the head of a health watchdog losing her position and the watchdog losing it`s funding after a long costly investigation because she used the phrase "jungle drums" when talking about rumours is a prime example of this. Whether or not the report is accurate doesn`t matter because this will just be seen as "another brick in the wall" to the Right. The perception that we are not allowed to "Offend" anyone but it doesn`t matter if we are "Offended" ourselves is one of the things that drive the Right. People on the left who in general dislike censorship of most kinds, can`t seem to understand that "PC" in it`s extreme form is becoming censorship in itself

[dune]

We went over all this back when you were Stanley.

 

http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

 

Clearly that definition is taken from the Marxist definition. The Marxist definition seeks to undermine Western Christian right wing Conservatism. By calling Conservatives Fascists the Marxists are able to link 1930's/40's Germany with the politics of the West. It's a classic example how the Marxists seek to spread their ideologies and it was very sucessful particularly in Africa where Colonialism was replaced with Communist dictatorships.

[Mao Cap]

Clearly that definition is taken from the Marxist definition. The Marxist definition seeks to undermine Western Christian right wing Conservatism. By calling Conservatives Fascists the Marxists are able to link 1930's/40's Germany with the politics of the West. It's a classic example how the Marxists seek to spread their ideologies and it was very sucessful particularly in Africa where Colonialism was replaced with Communist dictatorships.

 

"Obsession with a plot, possibly an international one." Point number 7.

 

[dune]

"Obsession with a plot, possibly an international one." Point number 7.

 

 

Precisely. These are points Trotsky made in his definition of fascism. Marxists are well known for their well oiled propaganda machine and by labelling those opposed to Communism as Fascists with obsessions with an international plot it enables the Marxists to call Conservatives Fascists and thus undermine Western Christian Democracy.

[RedAndWhite91]

Back to the original topic of political correctness, I was just reading about Johnson Beharry, the soldier who was awarded the Victoria Cross for twice saving the lives of his comrades in Iraq, when I saw this:

 

"According to The Daily Telegraph, a planned 90-minute drama about Beharry was cancelled by the BBC allegedly because it was too positive and would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq."

 

That is, in my opinion, political correctness gone mad.

[dune]

That is just typical of political correctness gone mad. It started out with marmalade jars and now we can't even honour war hero's. But the worst of it is that by and large it isn't minority communties that are the instigators of such lunacy, it's middle class left wing busy bodies.

[solentstars]

That is just typical of political correctness gone mad. It started out with marmalade jars and now we can't even honour war hero's. But the worst of it is that by and large it isn't minority communties that are the instigators of such lunacy, it's middle class left wing busy bodies.

 

far right nazi propagandist alert

[RedAndWhite91]

I just don't understand it; if you were against the War in Iraq, don't watch the programme. Simple as.

[solentstars]

We went over all this back when you were Stanley.

 

http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

 

you got to remember like stanley who i think he is, he is very thick and can only think of his own bigotry

[solentstars]

Dune - you mentioned before that you find Positive discrimination wrong.... Of course positive discrimination is 'wrong' - because in an enlightened and civilized society there would be no need for it. However, as the number of under educated bigots amongst our society proves time and again, there is a necessity for it to avoid the discrimination in the first place. That is why in some cases these HR rules apply. Simple solution is get rid of bigotry in our society and there will be no need for these policies and we would all be happy.

 

Dune, if you want to be given 'respect' and have adult debate, then at the very least you need to respect those that you are 'debating'. That means coming clean on your agenda and politic. Even Oswald Moseley at least stood behind his fascist banner (with the support of the Daily Mail no less)... you frequent denials of your obvious xenophobia and extreme political views is so obviously characteristic of the 'new' far right, with its futile and frankly pathetic attempts to present an intellectual debate and the 'sunny' and 'intelugent' side of fascism... would make me laugh if it was not so dangerous, because sadly it works well as a recruitment tool with teh under educated whofail to see the truth beyond te fake mask of respectibilty - Thankfully recruiting efforts for your right wing paranoid groups on here will hopefully bear no fruit as there are at leats some who see through it and will happily expose it for what it is.

 

spot on

[Joensuu]

That is just typical of political correctness gone mad. It started out with marmalade jars and now we can't even honour war hero's. But the worst of it is that by and large it isn't minority communties that are the instigators of such lunacy, it's middle class left wing busy bodies.

 

What was it you just said to Deppo? Oh, yeah, 'grow up'.

 

BTW, Deppo is definately beating you in lots of ways. His posts are ahead for accuracy, common sense and humor (albeit, not to my liking). He is behind you on the childish spam stakes though, so don't worry, you're still doing well on something.

[Verbal]

Back to the original topic of political correctness, I was just reading about Johnson Beharry, the soldier who was awarded the Victoria Cross for twice saving the lives of his comrades in Iraq, when I saw this:

 

"According to The Daily Telegraph, a planned 90-minute drama about Beharry was cancelled by the BBC allegedly because it was too positive and would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq."

 

That is, in my opinion, political correctness gone mad.

 

It's also completely untrue. Like a lot of these idiotic whinges, the wailings about 'political correctness' are mostly based on fantasies dreamed up by the tiny minds who feel squashed by not being able to hurl volleys of cathartic abuse at whomever they wish.

[Mao Cap]

Precisely. These are points Trotsky made in his definition of fascism. Marxists are well known for their well oiled propaganda machine and by labelling those opposed to Communism as Fascists with obsessions with an international plot it enables the Marxists to call Conservatives Fascists and thus undermine Western Christian Democracy.

 

What, like how you call your (very moderate, centrist) opponents such as Verbal, Joensuu "Marxists" in every other post?

 

"For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason". Point number 4.

[RedAndWhite91]

It's also completely untrue. Like a lot of these idiotic whinges, the wailings about 'political correctness' are mostly based on fantasies dreamed up by the tiny minds who feel squashed by not being able to hurl volleys of cathartic abuse at whomever they wish.

 

Calm down, it's not untrue.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1548007/Heros-tale-is-too-positive-for-the-BBC.html

[Verbal]

Calm down, it's not untrue.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1548007/Heros-tale-is-too-positive-for-the-BBC.html

 

I can tell you, first-hand, that story is complete nonsense.

[RedAndWhite91]

I can tell you, first-hand, that story is complete nonsense.

 

Why was it in the Telegraph then?

[Mao Cap]

I don't know, the standard of journalistic integrity at the Telegraph has gone downhill in the last couple of years. Whilst I disagreed with it on most stuff I used to have a grudging respect for it as a proper paper; now it's increasingly becoming a kind of a Mail/Express for posh people.

[Special K]

So to sum up then. A) Nobody can define what "Political Correctness" really is. B) Everybody can define what Fascism is and C) If you don't like someones version of A) you will be called an advocate of B) and yet again a thread decends into

"It's a load of facking ********"

"What do you mean, you're a cahhnt"

"No you are, you Bigot"

"No i'm not (fingers crossed)"

"Everyone's a fascist"

"I love/hate the Daily Mail" (delete as appropriate)

[dune]

I don't know, the standard of journalistic integrity at the Telegraph has gone downhill in the last couple of years. Whilst I disagreed with it on most stuff I used to have a grudging respect for it as a proper paper; now it's increasingly becoming a kind of a Mail/Express for posh people.

 

Translation - You don't like the truth so you'd rather not hear it.

[Verbal]

Why was it in the Telegraph then?

 

I don't work for the Telegraph, so I can't tell you where they found their 'anonymous' source.

[Mao Cap]

Translation - You don't like the truth so you'd rather not hear it.

 

Well I suppose I don't like your definition of the truth - but then that "truth" is based on the type of hysterical, skewed, misleading, half-true reports of your favourite newspapers, with all of their cherry-picked statistics from vested interests and the smokescreens of rhetoric they use to hide the reality of an incident. My job comprises detailed reading and summarising of articles from all the national newspapers, see, so I know what I'm talking about.

 

But you're wrong about me not enjoying hearing it. After a mental deconstruction of the relatively sophisticated and sane stuff in the Telegraph, picking apart your amateurish bilge is a f*cking breeze

[Joensuu]

Agree entirely MC, I also think both the Times and the Guardian have slipped in quality over the past few years too. IMO, only really the Indy and the FT make efforts to print quality over 'celebrity'.

[Wade Garrett]

I would think even the ethnic minorities think political correctness has gone way too far.

 

Some people have no sense of humour.