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dune

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I wonder which there are most of, people who find deppo's posts entertaining or people who think Dune's are of any value. Genuine post as these two seem to be constantly squabbling over who is posting the most rubbish.

 

I have no interest in Deppo and his childish remarks, but as he keep mentioning me I occasionally (but not always) respond.

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dune

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You always make racist and bigoted remarks first, and I think that's worse than snide.

 

Explain how thinking positive dicrimination is wrong is racist or bigoted? Istead of coming out with crap all the time you could try to debate like an adult.

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What really angers me is so called "positive discrimination". Where employers employ non whites or women just to fulfil a quota. That is racism and discrimination against white males. But such racism and discrimination is not only acceptable, but is actively encouraged.

 

From now on, just post this:

 

My name is Dune. I honestly believe (and have said so on a public forum) that the world would have been a 'better place' if the Nazi's had beated the Allied forces in the second-world war.

 

Using this opinion as a basis for all my other opinions, there is really no need to ask me my opinion on any subject, as you are all intelligent people, and much more intelligent that me. So from now on you shall all receive this stock response from me when any new subject is brought up on this forum.

 

Unkind regards,

 

Dune

A total nobbend.

 

This is the sort of crap you come out with all the time.

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buctootim

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I am prepared to call a truce with Dune, as long as he never posts anything again. The offer is there, it's genuine, it's from the heart and I hope he accepts it in the manner it is intended.

 

Its a fair offer, but I'm not sure it really reflects the extent of Dune's popularity. We should have a vote to ban him permanently to demonstrate how many people voted for him and what a clear winner he is.

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dune

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Do you believe the world would be better if the nazis had won the war, yes or no?

 

I don't know, maybe it would have, maybe it wouldn't have. There is a debate to be had, but alas juveniles like yourself can't debate sensibly. Britain had concentration camps and comitted genocide in post 1945 Kenya so we weren't much better than them.

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I don't know, maybe it would have, maybe it wouldn't have. There is a debate to be had, but alas juveniles like yourself can't debate sensibly. Britain had concentration camps and comitted genocide in post 1945 Kenya so we weren't much better than them.

 

If that's all you think that was wrong with the Nazis then you're very mis-informed.

 

The British, in fact, were the first to use any sort of concentration camp, but it's really very irrelevant.

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If that's all you think that was wrong with the Nazis then you're very mis-informed.

 

The British, in fact, were the first to use any sort of concentration camp, but it's really very irrelevant.

 

A lot more was wrong with them I agree, but on subject of ethnic cleansing we were no angels.

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But what has that got to do with anything on this thread and also, why does that somehow tie in to your mental statement suggesting that it might have been better if the Nazis won WWII?

 

I was responding to deppo's question, but agree it's not relevent to the thread.

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dune

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and the other part of the question?

 

It's not relevent to the thread therfore i'm not getting into it. I'm interested in history and have done a lot of reading on our history, but as someone who pm'd me the other day said "there's no point trying to have a debate on here".

 

I wish the old mods were still here as when they were Deppo was always confined to the muppet show and we could at least be sensible on here.

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Deppo

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You can't even say the Nazi's were alright anymore without the PC brigade getting on your back. This country makes me sick. What next - we won't be able to use the word P*ki (term of endearment), W*g (friendly nickname), Sambo (harmless banter) or even N*gger (they love that word).

 

As far as I can see, being PC means not being able to say all the things we want to say. The PC brigade (we know who they are - basically (and I'll get in trouble with them for this as well) they're a bunch of benders) pander to all those other groups of society whilst ignoring us ordinary white men! I'm like a second class citizen in my own country. Some people, like dune are even like 3rd class citizens, but then I suppose the PC brigade will tell me I'm not allowed to say "3rd class" in case it upsets people. I'll probably have to say "class hindered" or something.

 

Well, I can tell you this for nothing, so listen carefully any PC benders out there - if I want to express my human rights by calling someone a W*g or a P*ki then I will. I won't have my thoughts controlled by turd burgling do gooders like you! I hate you! I hate all of you, out there, "doing good". Who they hell do you think you are?

 

In fact, I've come round to Dunes point of view. Maybe the world would be better if the Nazis had won the war. We certainly wouldn't have PC benders telling us what to do (or any disabled for the matter).

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But what has that got to do with anything on this thread and also, why does that somehow tie in to your mental statement suggesting that it might have been better if the Nazis won WWII?

 

Two things:

 

1. Just to be clear. Though Dune is now saying that he thinks it might have been better, his original statement said that he thought things would have been much better had the Nazi's been in power in Britain; no 'might' about it. At least his slight retraction shows he has some understanding of the stupidity of his original statement.

 

2. Don't you think it is important that Dune is shown to be a dyed-in-the-wool fascist, when considering his opinions on every other subject, such as political correctness, the rights of gay people to marry/adopt, multiculturalism, etc? He has strong opinions on every subject, and has already made up his mind. He is not interested in debate, despite what he says. That is why I do not debate with him.

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ecuk268

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They're a bit like an old married couple - constantly sniping away.

 

Probably, deep down, they have secretly repressed desires for each other but can't bring themselves to admit it.

 

C'mon chaps, you can't fool us, come out of the closet.

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dune

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Two things:

 

1. Just to be clear. Though Dune is now saying that he thinks it might have been better, his original statement said that he thought things would have been much better had the Nazi's been in power in Britain; no 'might' about it. At least his slight retraction shows he has some understanding of the stupidity of his original statement.

 

2. Don't you think it is important that Dune is shown to be a dyed-in-the-wool fascist, when considering his opinions on every other subject, such as political correctness, the rights of gay people to marry/adopt, multiculturalism, etc? He has strong opinions on every subject, and has already made up his mind. He is not interested in debate, despite what he says. That is why I do not debate with him.

 

In respect of point 1 you're a liar.

 

In respect of point 2 you're typical of the far left. You can't debate properly so you ruin threads.

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I don't know, maybe it would have, maybe it wouldn't have. There is a debate to be had, but alas juveniles like yourself can't debate sensibly. Britain had concentration camps and comitted genocide in post 1945 Kenya so we weren't much better than them.

 

I think that says everything anyone needs to know. That you can concieve that the Nazis - who were intent on exterminating an entire race (and succeeded in killing 6 million of that race), as well as attempting to enslave several other nations and being responsible for muderering many millions more - might have delivered in your view a better world, shows what a sick idiot you are.

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solentstars

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You can't even say the Nazi's were alright anymore without the PC brigade getting on your back. This country makes me sick. What next - we won't be able to use the word P*ki (term of endearment), W*g (friendly nickname), Sambo (harmless banter) or even N*gger (they love that word).

 

As far as I can see, being PC means not being able to say all the things we want to say. The PC brigade (we know who they are - basically (and I'll get in trouble with them for this as well) they're a bunch of benders) pander to all those other groups of society whilst ignoring us ordinary white men! I'm like a second class citizen in my own country. Some people, like dune are even like 3rd class citizens, but then I suppose the PC brigade will tell me I'm not allowed to say "3rd class" in case it upsets people. I'll probably have to say "class hindered" or something.

 

Well, I can tell you this for nothing, so listen carefully any PC benders out there - if I want to express my human rights by calling someone a W*g or a P*ki then I will. I won't have my thoughts controlled by turd burgling do gooders like you! I hate you! I hate all of you, out there, "doing good". Who they hell do you think you are?

 

In fact, I've come round to Dunes point of view. Maybe the world would be better if the Nazis had won the war. We certainly wouldn't have PC benders telling us what to do (or any disabled for the matter).

 

thats dunes world wait for his next thread to start praising the moderate bnp or edl again,its quite clear what this small little man represents.

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I think that says everything anyone needs to know. That you can concieve that the Nazis - who were intent on exterminating an entire race (and succeeded in killing 6 million of that race), as well as attempting to enslave several other nations and being responsible for muderering many millions more - might have delivered in your view a better world, shows what a sick idiot you are.

 

good post southsea and notice the way he runs down us brits,he yearns for the days of the fatherland.

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I think that says everything anyone needs to know. That you can concieve that the Nazis - who were intent on exterminating an entire race (and succeeded in killing 6 million of that race), as well as attempting to enslave several other nations and being responsible for muderering many millions more - might have delivered in your view a better world, shows what a sick idiot you are.

 

Exactly.

 

I think the real problem, perhaps with this board and perhaps with the world in general, is that people spend hours quibbling about whether Baa Baa Black Sheep is offensive, in the meanwhile Dune comes out with stuff like this, stuff he believes, and no one bats an eyelid.

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Can not stand this at all. It has gone too far now, especially in many lessons at my college where debate is stifled and frankly sterile at times.

 

It just ****es me off how everyone gets offended at everything non-stop, so ****ing what? I firmly believe that you should be able to say pretty much anything you want. The truth hurts, and if what they person says is bad then banning them is not the way to solve it. The way to tackle bad ideas is by critiquing and ridiculing them until the whole idea looks stupid.

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Exactly.

 

I think the real problem, perhaps with this board and perhaps with the world in general, is that people spend hours quibbling about whether Baa Baa Black Sheep is offensive, in the meanwhile Dune comes out with stuff like this, stuff he believes, and no one bats an eyelid.

 

If you look back at our Empire it's been riddled with episodes of ethnic cleansing. Even after the full extent of the the NAZI genocide came to light we had concentration camps in Kenya. Nobody knows whether the world would have been a better place or not had we sided with Germany, but what can be said is that world since then would have been very different. I will not say the world would have been worse for sure (like you and others who are adamant that you know best) because when you're dealing with such a complex hypotheical scenario you cannot be sure. Let us not forget that because Germany lost the war commusim spread and eastern europe spent years under it and millions were murdered...

 

I found this post on another forum, and whilst I don't necessarily agree with it, it illustrates how very different things could have been - for better or worse.

 

Well, maybe if we'd sided with Germany, I doubt the government would've allowed Hitler to undertake the holocaust and maybe he would've agreed to our idea to move the Jews etc to the colonies in Africa.

 

We wouldn't have been burdened by the cost of the war as much, Hitler would've rampaged through Europe, probably with us helping, except I think we'd have probably twisted Hitler's arm to be a bit more...well...sane

 

We'd probably have gotten France and the Benelux countries, Hitler would've gotten the Alsace-Lorraine from France and all of Eastern Europe. Japan probably wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbour as the US wouldn't have helped us with supplies.

 

The atomic bomb wouldn't therefore be dropped on Hiroshima, instead, probably Germany and Japan would've waged war on Russia and won by dropping an atomic bomb on Stalingrad or something.

 

Therefore, you have a Europe dominated by a Fascist dictatorship as opposed to a Communist dictatorship for the next fifty years.

 

Then in China you get the Civil War, but the Axis support the conservative Kuomintang, so China becomes fascist too.

 

Japan has also gotten Korea and parts of the former French Indochina, but the British maintain its technically part of their empire, leading to the division of Vietnam.

 

In the after-war years, the Americans join the British in fighting the Japanese in Vietnam. The British win and Japan gets annoyed and starts bombing Hong Kong, this upsets China due to the battle so near to their mainland, and China invades Japanese Korea, leading to a Korean War. The result is the division of Korea into North Korea and South Korea, the north becomes highly fascist under China whilst the South becomes Japanese affiliated.

 

With the world now between three superpowers; the British Empire, the German Empire and the Republic of China, plus the smaller big powers, the United States and Japan. In 1968, the Beatles release Back in the GUNS (German Union of Nazi States).

 

Meanwhile, stirrings of a revolt begin in Europe, the Italians overthrow Mussolini finally in 1970 at the age of 86, whilst the increasingly ill and crippled Hitler had been a recluse for the last fifteen years, with rumours circling he had died. His Berlin had also only been partly finished much to his disappointment when marches occurred at the Brandenburg Gate against Nazism. In 1972, the government revealed Hitler had died, leading to the overthrowing of the Nazis in West Germany spurred by the much freer British way of life in France, with half the Nazis captured by liberation forces, whilst the remainder fled to Moscow to re-base their government.

 

The British Empire absorbs West Germany causing a Cold War, the US naturally sides with the British Empire, whilst the Japanese side with the German Empire. The Germans become increasingly secretive and insane in a desperate attempt to keep in control. However, rebellion begins in Czechoslovakia and spreads across the Balkans, they all soon cede from the GUNS.

 

In 1983, the GUNS breaks up and the division of Europe ends, numerous new states appear such as Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Prussia, Russia, Greece and Belarus. Notably, Germany no-longer exists, separated into West Germany, now officially a member of British Union of Commonwealths (the empire has ceased to exist) and Prussia, made up of East Germany, and Poland. Italy becomes a member of the BUC.

 

Today, the world is made up of the superpowers; the United Commonwealths of Britain (Great Britain, Ireland, West Germany, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Italy), the United States of America, the Federal Republic of Prussia (East Germany, Poland, parts of Estonia, etc), the Japanese Empire (Japan and South Korea) and Russia. The world's pains in the neck are the fascist North Korea and Persia, the world's emerging economies are India and the Republic of China. The UCB is currently at war in the Middle East along with the US.

 

None of the above is serious mind, all complete made up fiction, but I always was a storyteller.

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Right ? Wrong ? Over the top ?

 

A topic that is always a bit of a powder keg, lets not start insulting each other but what are everyones views on it ?

I would imagine it is quite divisive.

 

Personally, I can understand its merits, but it has been siezed upon by an elite who IMO have lost sight of the real world. The way it is going I think is actually causing more harm then good.

 

 

Rather optimistic it has to be said :lol:

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If you look back at our Empire it's been riddled with episodes of ethnic cleansing. Even after the full extent of the the NAZI genocide came to light we had concentration camps in Kenya. Nobody knows whether the world would have been a better place or not had we sided with Germany, but what can be said is that world since then would have been very different. I will not say the world would have been worse for sure (like you and others who are adamant that you know best) because when you're dealing with such a complex hypotheical scenario you cannot be sure. Let us not forget that because Germany lost the war commusim spread and eastern europe spent years under it and millions were murdered...

 

 

Just when you think Dune can't get any more nuts you get proven wrong. Comparing the industrial extermination of the European Jews (6 million dead) to Britain's repression of the Mau Mau rebellion (50,000 dead) is at best f'king stupid and at worse akin to Holocaust denial.

 

"Nobody knows whether the world would have been a better place or not had we sided with Germany"
errr, yes they do.
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To be fair, he knew full well what he was doing when he started the thread. He knew it would go like this and this is exactly what he wanted.

 

yes he thinks hes clever and loves posting his extreme ideology but you tell he what hes going to post the predicable bile and hate messages of a typical loser.

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dune

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yes he thinks hes clever and loves posting his extreme ideology but you tell he what hes going to post the predicable bile and hate messages of a typical loser.

 

I agree. Smirking Saint needs to move to centre ground with me.

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