Smirking_Saint Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 Right ? Wrong ? Over the top ? A topic that is always a bit of a powder keg, lets not start insulting each other but what are everyones views on it ? I would imagine it is quite divisive. Personally, I can understand its merits, but it has been siezed upon by an elite who IMO have lost sight of the real world. The way it is going I think is actually causing more harm then good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 Referring to a dustbin man as a 'sanitsation supervisor' or whatever is silly. However, political correctness with regards to issues such as race is simply good manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 In the United Kingdom, "political correctness gone mad" is a widely used catchphrase associated with the conservativeDaily Mail newspaper.[15] A literal interpretation might be that the catchphrase applies to instances where political correctness, desirable in moderation, is taken too far. In reality, however, "political correctness" is almost always used pejoratively and the catchphrase is applied to stories (frequently apocryphal) seen as representing extreme forms of political correctness Wiki says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 Like everything, it can go to far. Frankly I find it bloody annoying, it's a tool used to steralise many things that are essentially harmless but can be found offensive by 0.5% of those that may overhear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2011 Referring to a dustbin man as a 'sanitsation supervisor' or whatever is silly. However, political correctness with regards to issues such as race is simply good manners. But surely this is it ?? It is good manners, the problem IMO with the world right now is that holding an opinion on anything at all that borders on politically correct infringement results in being branded a bigot and having views from another world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Rushdie-attacks-PC-world/article-2745041-detail/article.html I agree with Sir Salman. He's ver convincing when he speaks about the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2011 Like everything, it can go to far. Frankly I find it bloody annoying, it's a tool used to steralise many things that are essentially harmless but can be found offensive by 0.5% of those that may overhear. Exactly, and that tool is used as a beating stick by those in their ivory tower that believe they are whiter than white. For instance, my father who was carrying out some hiring of staff recently and he was warned by HR that he was not allowed to 'discriminate' about one of the candidates that could not drive. Even though part of the job involved driving. Utter madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 It's defintely a bad thing. You know, you can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someones car without the political correctness brigade jumping down your throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 The thought police do all appear to be white, middle aged, Guardian reading Liberal voters and it has gotten totally and utterly out of hand. Thankfully, the organisations I work for, and with, have a made the majority of the E&D people redundant with much celebration by the rest of us. The powers to be realised that most of us are sensible adults who don't need telling how to speech and what labels to give people. They also, a couple of years ago stopped producing everything in a multitude of languages understanding that nothing brings communities closer together like a common tongue. It also helps reduce poverty and barriers to employment and education. Plenty of the hysterical Doris's went about shouting "race" but none of the Hindu, Sikh or Muslim groups raised an objection and instead very vociferous in their support for the idea and only asked that extra ESOL courses were put on to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 (edited) This Blog (http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/) has some interesting comment, The origins of PC Political Correctness started in a think tank in Germany in 1923. It was going to be called The Institute of Marxism but in order to hide its Marxist roots it became known as The Institute of Social Research. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't communism spreading? Because Western Civilization was in its way with its belief in the individual and that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing. And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help Western Civilization to destroy itself by undermining its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals. One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices. Then use this to stifle any discussion which might show up the lack of common sense in their ideology. And call it something that sounds positive: "Political Correctness." That is how Political Correctness came about and why it is the tool of the far left in politics. When Hitler took over Germany in 1933, the Institute moved to the USA (as most of the thinkers were Jewish). Our thanks to Bill Lind, read the full article 'The Origins of Political Correctness Edited 7 February, 2011 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 That's right. And there is an alien in Roswell, donchaknow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 This Blog (http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/) has some interesting comment, The origins of PC Political Correctness started in a think tank in Germany in 1923. It was going to be called The Institute of Marxism but in order to hide its Marxist roots it became known as The Institute of Social Research. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't communism spreading? Because Western Civilization was in its way with its belief in the individual and that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing. And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help Western Civilization to destroy itself by undermining its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals. One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices. Then use this to stifle any discussion which might show up the lack of common sense in their ideology. And call it something that sounds positive: "Political Correctness." That is how Political Correctness came about and why it is the tool of the far left in politics. When Hitler took over Germany in 1933, the Institute moved to the USA (as most of the thinkers were Jewish). Our thanks to Bill Lind, read the full article 'The Origins of Political Correctness The Frankfurt school recommended (amongst other things): the creation of racism offences continual change to create confusion the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children the undermining of schools and teachers' authority huge immigration to destroy national identity the promotion of excessive drinking emptying the churches an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime dependency on the state or state benefits control and dumbing down of media encouraging the breakdown of the family Welcome to 21st Century Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 That's right. And there is an alien in Roswell, donchaknow. They are extraterrestrials, donchaknow, or isn't that PC anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 If you both believe that guff you are two of the stupidest people alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 You can't even call someone a "ginger tw*t" these days without the PC Brigade complaining about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 You can't even call someone a "ginger tw*t" these days without the PC Brigade complaining about it. But it is OK to call someone a tw*t? If PC is all about good manners, then tw*t would be banned too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 It's just a joke! God, you can't even call someone a tw*t without them getting all offended by it. Bloody PC brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 It's just a joke! God, you can't even call someone a tw*t without them getting all offended by it. Bloody PC brigade. ...and that's my point. Where does it stop? In fact, should everyone say nothing for the sake of not offending anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 ...and that's my point. Where does it stop? In fact, should everyone say nothing for the sake of not offending anyone? Exactly, you stupid, thick, pig-ignorant tw*t! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 7 February, 2011 Share Posted 7 February, 2011 Exactly, you stupid, thick, pig-ignorant tw*t! Lol! I say nothing for the sake of not offending you ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It's defintely a bad thing. You know, you can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someones car without the political correctness brigade jumping down your throat. Ha, another Stewart Lee fan. Just came on this thread to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 It's defintely a bad thing. You know, you can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someones car without the political correctness brigade jumping down your throat. good one deppo its funny how its the pet hate of daily mail whinger types who have a chip on their shoulder and hate anything progressive,far right racists and bullys who want Political correctness scrapped with human rights. yes their are a few cases of Political correctness going over the top but in general its just people having good manners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This Blog (http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/) has some interesting comment, The origins of PC Political Correctness started in a think tank in Germany in 1923. It was going to be called The Institute of Marxism but in order to hide its Marxist roots it became known as The Institute of Social Research. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't communism spreading? Because Western Civilization was in its way with its belief in the individual and that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing. And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help Western Civilization to destroy itself by undermining its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals. One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices. Then use this to stifle any discussion which might show up the lack of common sense in their ideology. And call it something that sounds positive: "Political Correctness." That is how Political Correctness came about and why it is the tool of the far left in politics. When Hitler took over Germany in 1933, the Institute moved to the USA (as most of the thinkers were Jewish). Our thanks to Bill Lind, read the full article 'The Origins of Political Correctness Not only is this a travesty as an account of the work of the Frankfurt School; it's a thinly veiled piece of rabid anti-semitism: the idea that those nasty Jews - even worse, SOVIET Jews - are the ones responsible for the decline of Western civilisation. That such crap should be retailed here as gospel is preposterous - and as good an indication as you can get of the dangers of trivial trawls through google. Much nearer the truth is that Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno and Herbert Marcuse were among a small group of Jewish intellectuals in Weimar Germany warning persistently about the dangers of Nazism. Horkheimer and Adorno's 'Dialectic of Enlightenment', published towards the end of the war (and from the exile in Princeton), was the summation of their early ideas. The work is actually a detailed philosophical analysis of the relationship between the Enlightenment and what they call 'instrumental reason' (it would take longer than a few paragraphs to explain). Marcuse's work - most of it published in the late 1950s - contained many of the ideas subsequently taken up by the counterculture movements of the 1960s. They were about as far from Soviet 'Marxism' as you could get - and were actually about upturning conventions that were the 'political correctness' of the day. Let's talk when you've read Dialectic of Enlightenment - much better than posting anti-semitic bilge on here, wouldn't you say? And when you've read it, perhaps you could try to substantiate a single claim about 'political correctness' in that ludicrous article by referencing quotes from the original texts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Not only is this a travesty as an account of the work of the Frankfurt School; it's a thinly veiled piece of rabid anti-semitism: the idea that those nasty Jews - even worse, SOVIET Jews - are the ones responsible for the decline of Western civilisation. That such crap should be retailed here as gospel is preposterous - and as good an indication as you can get of the dangers of trivial trawls through google. I agree that in this age of Google, we now have access to information that can be dubious and even dangerous in the wrong hands. However, BTF posts something from wikileaks (a known reliable source?) regarding the term being coined from the Daily Mail when in fact the term is global and has been around for some time and no-one says anything. I post something equally as dubious and you get your knickers in a twist. I am certainly not anti-semitic (believing in the state of Israel) and didn't spot that take in the article. I thought he made reference to them leaving Germany as a result of Hitler taking over, which I don't read as anti-semetic, as many Jews left Germany in the 1930's. That's not racism, just a fact and if I was Jewish would have left myself. I would suggest that the article is more anti-marxist than anything else. Perhaps I should take a closer look round that site in case I have missed something and therefore stand to be corrected if necessary. Whether or not the article is acurate or not, I don't know enough about the subject to comment to be fair (although some of it does sound a bit far fetched) and only posted it to stir up debate. Having said this, PC is a weapon of the left and can be hypocritical when enforced particularly in the public sector. I personally am against all discrimination, incuding positive discrimination, whereas PC uses discrimination as a tool to fight descrimination. Surely there has to be a better way...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Its gone far too far.. Offensive behaviour and language that is meant to hurt is one thing and of course it should be rightly condemned, but it is also a vehicle for "ne'r do wells' to leap on a a bandwagon and contribute more heavily to this "wet nurse and litigious society" that sadly pervades this country nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The thought police do all appear to be white, middle aged, Guardian reading Liberal voters and it has gotten totally and utterly out of hand. That's how it seems to me as well. Too many white, middle class liberals with no connection to the minority group or individual in question, getting all upset on their behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What really angers me is so called "positive discrimination". Where employers employ non whites or women just to fulfil a quota. That is racism and discrimination against white males. But such racism and discrimination is not only acceptable, but is actively encouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What really angers me is so called "positive discrimination". Where employers employ non whites or women just to fulfil a quota. That is racism and discrimination against white males. But such racism and discrimination is not only acceptable, but is actively encouraged. I know of 2 examples of this happening in public bodies in Hampshire a few years ago, not sure it's so actively encouraged now though. But it was one of the more ludicrous examples of enforced PC nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 I know of 2 examples of this happening in public bodies in Hampshire a few years ago, not sure it's so actively encouraged now though. But it was one of the more ludicrous examples of enforced PC nonsense. Lots of female MPs are not selected on their ability, but on the fact they are women. They must feel so liberated by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This was in yesterdays Mail, so obviously it`s all made up, but IF it did happen.......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354370/How-referring-gossip-jungle-drums-led-month-racism-probe.html Who was actually offended? Was it really worth the time and money spent investigating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What really angers me is so called "positive discrimination". Where employers employ non whites or women just to fulfil a quota. That is racism and discrimination against white males. But such racism and discrimination is not only acceptable, but is actively encouraged. From now on, just post this: My name is Dune. I honestly believe (and have said so on a public forum) that the world would have been a 'better place' if the Nazi's had beated the Allied forces in the second-world war. Using this opinion as a basis for all my other opinions, there is really no need to ask me my opinion on any subject, as you are all intelligent people, and much more intelligent that me. So from now on you shall all receive this stock response from me when any new subject is brought up on this forum. Unkind regards, Dune A total nobbend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Ha, another Stewart Lee fan. Just came on this thread to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo F*ck sake, I was going to post that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 What really angers me is so called "positive discrimination". Where employers employ non whites or women just to fulfil a quota. That is racism and discrimination against white males. But such racism and discrimination is not only acceptable, but is actively encouraged. you and your made up bnp propaganda again stanley,your type of facist racism will never get power in this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 From now on, just post this: My name is Dune. I honestly believe (and have said so on a public forum) that the world would have been a 'better place' if the Nazi's had beated the Allied forces in the second-world war. Using this opinion as a basis for all my other opinions, there is really no need to ask me my opinion on any subject, as you are all intelligent people, and much more intelligent that me. So from now on you shall all receive this stock response from me when any new subject is brought up on this forum. Unkind regards, Dune A total nobbend. that is dune i wish their was a nazi country we can send these people to enjoy their sad little lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Lots of female MPs are not selected on their ability, but on the fact they are women. They must feel so liberated by this. i see you hate women to then what a surprise oh lonely one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Deppo trying to be funny again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Do grow up Deppo Your statement is sooo wrong "It's defintely a bad thing. You know, you can't even write racial abuse in excrement on someones car without the political correctness brigade jumping down your throat. " The use of excrement is okay but it contravenes Health and safety legilslation you mong (LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This Blog (http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/) has some interesting comment, The origins of PC Political Correctness started in a think tank in Germany in 1923. It was going to be called The Institute of Marxism but in order to hide its Marxist roots it became known as The Institute of Social Research. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't communism spreading? Because Western Civilization was in its way with its belief in the individual and that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing. And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help Western Civilization to destroy itself by undermining its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals. One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices. Then use this to stifle any discussion which might show up the lack of common sense in their ideology. And call it something that sounds positive: "Political Correctness." That is how Political Correctness came about and why it is the tool of the far left in politics. When Hitler took over Germany in 1933, the Institute moved to the USA (as most of the thinkers were Jewish). Our thanks to Bill Lind, read the full article 'The Origins of Political Correctness This has got to be biggest load of bull**** I've ever read on this forum - and that's saying something. I'm with Verbal, this is anti-semetic rubbish. Another play on the anti-semetic lie of "marxist Jews are out to detroy Christian civilisation" that you might hear from KKK nutjobs in the US or indeed Nazis/neoNazis in Europe. JB - I'll grant you that you may not have latched on to the anti-semtic overtones here but surely you smelled the waft of bull**** anyway - I mean attempting to detroy the capitalist west by introducing political correctness? FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Surely the original question can only be answered when we all agree on what political correctness actually is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Lots of female MPs are not selected on their ability, but on the fact they are women. They must feel so liberated by this. yes and Thatcher was one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 A noble and generally positive concept that sometimes suffers, like all concepts, from occasionally being applied in a wrong or over-zealous way. I'm instinctively for it, if nothing else simply because of the type of tedious pub bore arsehole who's sore because he has to lower his voice a bit to tell jokes about thieving wogs, do hilarious imitations of Indian/Pakistani accents etc. and now can't stop going on about the Thought Police and whatever. Figure that anything which p*sses them off is for the greater good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Surely the original question can only be answered when we all agree on what political correctness actually is? Absolutely. At it's core, PC is basically 'common decency'. However, the term has been manipulated by discriminators, to form a umbrella term for 'crazy bureaucracy'. As such, discriminators can now associate the stupidity of the most ridiculous bureaucratic statements with all the offensive things they want to say. In so doing they attempt to tarnish anyone who objects to their discrimination as being bureaucratic and out of touch. The net result is that it is more difficult to put down discrimination. So while PC should mean 'common decency', it has become a term which attempts to mask (and thereby legitimise) everything offensive that discriminators want to say. Based on my definition, anyone who uses the term PC in a negative way is attempting to justify all the thoughts they have which the majority would find offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Deppo trying to be funny again. My name is Dune. I honestly believe (and have said so on a public forum) that the world would have been a 'better place' if the Nazi's had beated the Allied forces in the second-world war. Using this opinion as a basis for all my other opinions, there is really no need to ask me my opinion on any subject, as you are all intelligent people, and much more intelligent that me. So from now on you shall all receive this stock response from me when any new subject is brought up on this forum. Unkind regards, Dune A total nobbend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Deppo you're not funny. You just ruin threads with your childish humour.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 The powers to be realised that most of us are sensible adults who don't need telling how to speech and what labels to give people. This made I larf!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 Right ? Wrong ? Over the top ? A topic that is always a bit of a powder keg, lets not start insulting each other but what are everyones views on it ? I would imagine it is quite divisive. Personally, I can understand its merits, but it has been siezed upon by an elite who IMO have lost sight of the real world. The way it is going I think is actually causing more harm then good. My name is Dune. I honestly believe (and have said so on a public forum) that the world would have been a 'better place' if the Nazi's had beated the Allied forces in the second-world war. Using this opinion as a basis for all my other opinions, there is really no need to ask me my opinion on any subject, as you are all intelligent people, and much more intelligent that me. So from now on you shall all receive this stock response from me when any new subject is brought up on this forum. Unkind regards, Dune A total nobbend. This is the only "reasoned" argument that some people have. "I don`t agree with your view so you must be a nobbend - end of!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 (edited) I agree that in this age of Google, we now have access to information that can be dubious and even dangerous in the wrong hands. However, BTF posts something from wikileaks (a known reliable source?) regarding the term being coined from the Daily Mail when in fact the term is global and has been around for some time and no-one says anything. I post something equally as dubious and you get your knickers in a twist. I am certainly not anti-semitic (believing in the state of Israel) and didn't spot that take in the article. I thought he made reference to them leaving Germany as a result of Hitler taking over, which I don't read as anti-semetic, as many Jews left Germany in the 1930's. That's not racism, just a fact and if I was Jewish would have left myself. I would suggest that the article is more anti-marxist than anything else. Perhaps I should take a closer look round that site in case I have missed something and therefore stand to be corrected if necessary. Whether or not the article is acurate or not, I don't know enough about the subject to comment to be fair (although some of it does sound a bit far fetched) and only posted it to stir up debate. Having said this, PC is a weapon of the left and can be hypocritical when enforced particularly in the public sector. I personally am against all discrimination, incuding positive discrimination, whereas PC uses discrimination as a tool to fight descrimination. Surely there has to be a better way...... Far from 'getting my knickers in a twist', I think it IS an issue when anti-semitic stuff gets posted on here, don't you? Or is it part of your argument against 'political correctness' that ANY abuse directed at other ethnic and religious groups should be given free reign? This is the problem with those who rail against 'political correctness'. Their arguments have a vicious circularity to them. It's a bit like the Freudian analyst-patient dialogue, where the analyst says: You're crazy. And the patient replies, No I'm not. Only for the analyst always to win the argument with: that you say that just PROVES that you are. Not one poster on here has actually defined political correctness; it is, basically, whatever they say it is - or whatever it is they viscerally hate. It seems to me a thin disguise for an overwhelming desire to be able to abuse someone - anyone - with complete impunity. And all kinds of fabrications are advanced as a justification - like that hopeless piece of idiotic fantasy that people have to say 'coffee with milk' rather than black coffee'. A complete fantasy, advanced by complete mediocrities. In the end, though, even the attempt to deny ground to the wailers and gnashers against 'political correctness' is seen itself as political correctness. Edited 8 February, 2011 by Verbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 8 February, 2011 Share Posted 8 February, 2011 This is the only "reasoned" argument that some people have. "I don`t agree with your view so you must be a nobbend - end of!" He's the sort that laughs at his own jokes. And he actually thinks he's funny, wheras the reality is that he's very boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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