Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 a kiddie. What are peoples view on this and generally on homosexual couples adopting children then?
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 As long as they don't touch him inappropriately then I think it's fine.
dune Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 It's not natural. Sorry if this isn't a politically correct view, but that's where I stand on this.
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I think it's fine and not worth making a fuss about.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 I think it's fine and not worth making a fuss about. I wonder if the kid will say the same when he wonders in 10 years time why all his mates have got mums and he hasn't?
Evil Monkey Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I wonder if they'll tell him he's adopted.
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I wonder if the kid will say the same when he wonders in 10 years time why all his mates have got mums and he hasn't? Lots of kids don't have mums for all sorts of reasons (divorce, desertion, death etc.) Lots of kids grow up with lesbian parents so don't have dads. It's not a biggie. And what about kids who have a mother and father and then that parent discovers that he or she is actually gay (the parent, not the child)? In any event, I'm sure they'll be employing a nanny so there'll be plenty of female attention.
GenevaSaint Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I'm sure the child will be loved very much, but I can't help my feeling that it's wrong for any same sex couple to bring up a child.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 Lots of kids don't have mums for all sorts of reasons (divorce, desertion, death etc.) Lots of kids grow up with lesbian parents so don't have dads. It's not a biggie. And what about kids who have a mother and father and then that parent discovers that he or she is actually gay (the parent, not the child)? In any event, I'm sure they'll be employing a nanny so there'll be plenty of female attention. And why are they employing a female nanny? Why are the vast majority of nannies women? Because a woman has natural insticts with children that men simply dont have.
Panda Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 It's not natural. Sorry if this isn't a politically correct view, but that's where I stand on this. It is obviously not 'natural' and would not happen in any other animal species but that does not necessarily make it 'wrong'. We human beings stopped thinking of ourselves as mammals hundreds of years ago. What matters here is obviously the welfare of the child concerned. If there had been no adoption the child would have no parents and I am pretty certain Elton and partner will be better for the child that no parents and probably, especially considering the wealth of the partnership, will be very good for the child. I wish all three of them well, may they live happily together and may all three benefit from the relationship.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 I'm sure the child will be loved very much, but I can't help my feeling that it's wrong for any same sex couple to bring up a child. Also add to this that Elton John in his 63 surely this is just plain selfish. if he is lucky he'll live to see the kid enter its 20's. I get the feeling this child is going to be more treated as a celebrity trophy, that our lovable gay Elton can have his cake and eat it. Not being funny and i know this isn't the politically correct view and will no doubt be shouted down on here as a bigot but a 63 year old gay man should forget any ideas of having a child.
Doctoroncall Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 It's odd, but I'd be more concerned whether they would have the kids best interests at heart. Did they go down the Madonna adoption route or the ordinary people route?
Dog Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Who would you rather have as a parent............. Fred West George Best Michael Jackson George Michael Holly Johnson Freddy Murcury Elton John
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Will Elton be breast feeding the little chap? What's that got to do with anything?
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 And why are they employing a female nanny? Why are the vast majority of nannies women? Because a woman has natural insticts with children that men simply dont have. I don't KNOW that they are - I''m just guessing they will. I know a few women with no 'natural' (I'm guessing you mean maternal?) instincts. Equally I know many men who are as good as any woman when it comes to caring for children.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 I don't KNOW that they are - I''m just guessing they will. I know a few women with no 'natural' (I'm guessing you mean maternal?) instincts. Equally I know many men who are as good as any woman when it comes to caring for children. Oh come on BTF, dont think about this with your politically correct head on. It is a fact that women are naturally more maternal than men, of course there are some great dads about, the bloke opposite me for example who's wife died last year leaving him with two young kids. But the courts recognise that kids are generally better cared for their mums, when deciding custody issues its rare for them to side with the man is it not?
dune Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 What's that got to do with anything? It is possible. How would feel about it?
Dog Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 What's that got to do with anything? Quite a lot, a breast fed baby grows up stronger. So will Elton be getting the old breast pump out?
scotty Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Quite a lot, a breast fed baby grows up stronger. So will Elton be getting the old breast pump out? david furnish is already out. hth
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Oh come on BTF, dont think about this with your politically correct head on. It is a fact that women are naturally more maternal than men, of course there are some great dads about, the bloke opposite me for example who's wife died last year leaving him with two young kids. But the courts recognise that kids are generally better cared for their mums, when deciding custody issues its rare for them to side with the man is it not? I think that's often based on pragmatism. Men usually earn more than women and women sometimes are able to be full-time parents. I know, for example, that my son-in-law is a more natural parent than my daughter (although she's still a great mother). But, in a way, you've made the point about men bringing up children (whether gay or straight). Your work colleague, sadly, has no choice but to be the only parent. I'm sure, however, his children have plenty of contact with females as will EJ's child. I have a couple of gay friends, in a civil partnership, who would love to adopt a child. They'd make brilliant parents (even though they come from Portsmouth) - far better than some conventional couples. But I'm really not being PC about this matter. Oh, and Panda........ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/seahorse/superdads.html
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Quite a lot, a breast fed baby grows up stronger. So will Elton be getting the old breast pump out? Absolutely - but a significant number of mothers don't breastfeed so that is a moot point.
ecuk268 Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Also add to this that Elton John in his 63 surely this is just plain selfish. if he is lucky he'll live to see the kid enter its 20's. I get the feeling this child is going to be more treated as a celebrity trophy, that our lovable gay Elton can have his cake and eat it. Not being funny and i know this isn't the politically correct view and will no doubt be shouted down on here as a bigot but a 63 year old gay man should forget any ideas of having a child. I would agree on the age thing. Anyone with kids knows that you need a lot of energy to keep up with growing children. As a wealthy couple, they'll have plenty of help, but EJ will be in his late 70's when his son is a teenager - it's a big gap. As for having 2 male parents, I don't see it as a problem. You only have to look at some of the specimens wandering about Southampton to see that having heterosexual parents is no guarantee of a good upbringing.
Dog Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Absolutely - but a significant number of mothers don't breastfeed so that is a moot point. Did you breast feed ?
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 The age thing - Michael Douglas is 66. He has two children with Catherine ZJ. One is 11 and one is 7. I don't recall any gasps of disgust when that happened.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 (edited) I would agree on the age thing. Anyone with kids knows that you need a lot of energy to keep up with growing children. As a wealthy couple, they'll have plenty of help, but EJ will be in his late 70's when his son is a teenager - it's a big gap. As for having 2 male parents, I don't see it as a problem. You only have to look at some of the specimens wandering about Southampton to see that having heterosexual parents is no guarantee of a good upbringing. That might be the politically correct view, but science disagrees. I am sure some of you will just dismiss this as bigotry though. http://www.narth.com/docs/needboth.html Edited 7 February, 2011 by Turkish
the colonel Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 As long as they don't touch him inappropriately then I think it's fine. Why would they?!?!
bridge too far Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Did you breast feed ? That's for me (and my 3 children) to know and you to guess at
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 The age thing - Michael Douglas is 66. He has two children with Catherine ZJ. One is 11 and one is 7. I don't recall any gasps of disgust when that happened. I did. I dont think it's fair on the kids. I dont have any but would be ashamed of myself if i could take my kids for a walk in the woods or play football with them because i didn't have the energy. My dad was in his 50's when i was a teenager and i dont mind admitting i was jealous of some of my mates with dads in their thirties and early 40's.
Dog Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 That's for me (and my 3 children) to know and you to guess at Toughened your nipples, didn't it?
scotty Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 The age thing - Michael Douglas is 66. He has two children with Catherine ZJ. One is 11 and one is 7. I don't recall any gasps of disgust when that happened. You werent anywhere near me then.....
Joensuu Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I imagine the child will grow up a mental mess. This will have nothing to do with the sexuality of his/her parents, and everything to do with who his/her parents are. Oh, and good on you Elton, now shun the wig and the limelight and settle down to parenting.
ecuk268 Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 That might be the politically correct view, but science disagrees. I am sure some of you will just dismiss this as bigotry though. http://www.narth.com/docs/needboth.html If you do a bit of digging regarding the author and the organisation, you'll find that they're not entirely objective.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 No different to a child being brought up by a single parent in terms of lacking the female role model.
solentstars Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 If you do a bit of digging regarding the author and the organisation, you'll find that they're not entirely objective. i agree but i worry when people use the term politically correct ,to reinforce their own pet hates.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 i agree but i worry when people use the term politically correct ,to reinforce their own pet hates. It's true though. We live in a PC society where if anyone speaks out against what they are told to believe by the media they are branded a bigot. Some changes in society over the past 20 years or so have been positive, much less racism then there was in the 80's for example, but when you have to ask for "coffee without milk" instead of a "black coffee" then it's going too far. My own personal view point is that same sex, homosexual parenting is wrong, especially when one of the parents will be drawing their pension in 2 years. I have this opinon for the reasons stated above, many of them are facts, but i'll probably be branded a bigot with caveman views for it.
rocknrollman no2 Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Ive known some terrible examples of human beings who continued to have kids without any thought of how they would look after them,or even hold down some sort of job,so they can pay for them.The state ended up paying for their upkeep and no doubt will continue to pay when they dont have enough qualifications to get a job and have to claim the dole. At least Elton and his partner will give their child a loving and finanically secure upbringing. Good luck to the both of them.
dune Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 but i'll probably be branded a bigot with caveman views for it. Don't worry about it. I don't.
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 It's not natural. Sorry if this isn't a politically correct view, but that's where I stand on this. You think WHAT?????? Am I the only one suprised that this nazi-supporting scumbag is also homophobic? Dune you *****. Go back to the 1930's. Then f*ck off.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 Don't worry about it. I don't. I dont.
dune Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 You think WHAT?????? Am I the only one suprised that this nazi-supporting scumbag is also homophobic? Dune you *****. Go back to the 1930's. Then f*ck off. I realise you're just a court jester (not a very funny one) and that you think you're funny, but this has nothing to do with homophobia. My views are centred on what is best for the child and quite clearly any child that was to be adopted would be better off with a mother and a father figure.
Alanh Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 It's true though. We live in a PC society where if anyone speaks out against what they are told to believe by the media they are branded a bigot. Some changes in society over the past 20 years or so have been positive, much less racism then there was in the 80's for example, but when you have to ask for "coffee without milk" instead of a "black coffee" then it's going too far. My own personal view point is that same sex, homosexual parenting is wrong, especially when one of the parents will be drawing their pension in 2 years. I have this opinon for the reasons stated above, many of them are facts, but i'll probably be branded a bigot with caveman views for it. The 'coffee without milk' example is ridiculous. You can call someone black, in fact it's the correct description, as opposed to the quaint 70's term 'coloured' - which colour? Black or gay or Arab can all be used as descriptive terms, it's when they are used in a derogatory way they are unacceptable. Regarding EJ adopting. For me it's at the extremes of the norm given his age and sexuality, but it's not going to impact on my life and I wouldn't want to stop it if I was in a decision making capacity on the adoption panel, as I think that the kids will have access to the best of everything (that money can buy).
Deppo Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I realise you're just a court jester (not a very funny one) and that you think you're funny, but this has nothing to do with homophobia. My views are centred on what is best for the child and quite clearly any child that was to be adopted would be better off with a mother and a father figure. Right, and supporting the EDL has nothing to do with racism, etc etc etc. Why not have the guts to call a spade a f*cking spade? I remember you from your 'The Nazi's should have won the war' days. You're a dirty, destestable little man. Go f*ck a swastika.
SuperMikey Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 David Furnish is Elton John's husband btw, not his boyfriend. I've got no problems with them having a child, the fact that they're a gay couple doesn't mean they'll be any worse parents than a lot of mixed-sex couples out there. I find it quite funny that people get offended about gay couples having children when there are plenty of scumbags out there who abuse and smack around their own flesh and blood. Surely a same-sex couple is 1000x more deserving of having children than they are?
Dog Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Deppo, do you have same sex parents by any chance. What I'm trying to say is......... is your mum a man?
dune Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 The 'coffee without milk' example is ridiculous. You can call someone black, in fact it's the correct description, as opposed to the quaint 70's term 'coloured' - which colour? Who dictates the correct term?
Panda Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 I think that's often based on pragmatism. Men usually earn more than women and women sometimes are able to be full-time parents. I know, for example, that my son-in-law is a more natural parent than my daughter (although she's still a great mother). But, in a way, you've made the point about men bringing up children (whether gay or straight). Your work colleague, sadly, has no choice but to be the only parent. I'm sure, however, his children have plenty of contact with females as will EJ's child. I have a couple of gay friends, in a civil partnership, who would love to adopt a child. They'd make brilliant parents (even though they come from Portsmouth) - far better than some conventional couples. But I'm really not being PC about this matter. Oh, and Panda........ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/seahorse/superdads.html Sorry BTF I don't get the significance of this. I said 'single sex couples' are not found as parents in nature not lone parents nor even loan male parents. Actually what I said is not actually totally true as in bees and ants for example colonies of females bring up the young. Here we have multiple single sex 'parents' although in reality these females are aunts and sisters rather than parents.
Turkish Posted 7 February, 2011 Author Posted 7 February, 2011 Ive known some terrible examples of human beings who continued to have kids without any thought of how they would look after them,or even hold down some sort of job,so they can pay for them.The state ended up paying for their upkeep and no doubt will continue to pay when they dont have enough qualifications to get a job and have to claim the dole. At least Elton and his partner will give their child a loving and finanically secure upbringing. Good luck to the both of them. But they are again products of a society that allows this. The last 20 years has turned a lot of people in this once great country into a bunch of lilly livered, pathetic wierdos who are comsumers, by-products of a lifestyle obsession and brow beaten by the media into what they should believe. ANyone that disagrees with the mianstream is accused of being a bigot. For the thickos in this country they are better off financially not working, how can this be? If we were a bit tougher on these lazy arses and made them undergo strict medicals if they claimed sick benifit and do community service whilst they look for work and take away benifits if they dont then they'd soon buck their ideas up.
dune Posted 7 February, 2011 Posted 7 February, 2011 Right, and supporting the EDL has nothing to do with racism, etc etc etc. Why not have the guts to call a spade a f*cking spade? I remember you from your 'The Nazi's should have won the war' days. You're a dirty, destestable little man. Go f*ck a swastika. We've already discussed the EDL on another thread and you only have to look to David Camerons speech to realise that he's on our side.
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