The Scapegoat Thread

[VectisSaint]

I blame Darren Ferguson... and Sir Alex Ferguson... and Duncan Ferguson, Barry Ferguson and Sheila Ferguson.

You forgot Massey

[Dig Dig]

You know what ? I couldnt give a f**k what you think of my opinion.

 

You can gush as much as you want over the sporting spectacle, the fact is that on a critical round of matches we slipped back against the competing teams for promotion, having led the match by 2 goals twice.

 

You said we'd lose at 2-2. Thought you'd be happy with a point. You also said that we would lose the two games following man u but we got 4 points. Thought you'd be happy about that too

 

Everything vectis says is true, great game of football

[InvictaSaint]

You forgot Massey

 

And Sarah.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Deppo, why do you have to be such a Rupert?

 

It's not about scapegoats. Fact is, Kelvin is seriously showing flaws in his game and it is costing us.

 

Dan Seabourne is good enough. He loses track of his men, isn't strong enough, has next to no awareness and I find my heart in my mouth everytime he is put under pressure.

 

Dan Harding, although great coming forward and links up superbly with Lallana down the left, he is beaten FAR too often and that second goal last night he just watched Whelpdale get in front of him then pointed the finger at everyone else. Yes, there were others at fault, but he made no effort for the cause there.

 

Fact is, we have some major flaws as it stands. It's not scapegoats, it's honesty.

 

Completely agree with this point of view. If you score four goals away from home and don't win, the defence must come under scrutiny and Seaborne had a mare of a game frankly despite the fact that he was up against the best striker in the league. Harding made one crucial mistake by not sticking with his mark - one mistake but a fundamental one. I think some blame must also go to the management team - at 2-4 they should have made a change to the formation immediately...they didn't and our midfield was overrun. We sat too deep trying to make up for the fact Posh were able to advance through the midfield much too easily.

[Window Cleaner]

Completely agree with this point of view. If you score four goals away from home and don't win, the defence must come under scrutiny and Seaborne had a mare of a game frankly despite the fact that he was up against the best striker in the league. Harding made one crucial mistake by not sticking with his mark - one mistake but a fundamental one. I think some blame must also go to the management team - at 2-4 they should have made a change to the formation immediately...they didn't and our midfield was overrun. We sat too deep trying to make up for the fact Posh were able to advance through the midfield much too easily.

 

Although the stream got a bit sticky in the middle of the second half and may have distorted the action a bit I'd say that our CM pair spent too much time bombing forward even when we were 4-2 up.At that point you've just got to play triangles and keep the f*cking ball.Utd showed us how to do it last week,you just sit in the middle of the park and pass the ball from foot to foot,back forward,round and and round. When someone gets into a good position to threaten you give the ball to him in a safe way,you do not hoof it 50 yards up into the sky and hope you win the header.Still it was a good game and we didn't lose so

a bonus there in seeing it on the old PC..

[Deppo]

Perhaps the scapegoat could he determined by some kind of rota? Alphabetical order? What player's first up on the rota? Chaplow? No, Barnard?

 

This is an excellent idea! This would solve any arguments.

[Turkish]

You know what ? I couldnt give a f**k what you think of my opinion.

 

You can gush as much as you want over the sporting spectacle, the fact is that on a critical round of matches we slipped back against the competing teams for promotion, having led the match by 2 goals twice.

 

If only Lallana had been playing........

[Deppo]

I am pleased with the work you have all done on this thread. I knew you wouldn't let me down, chaps!

[Turkish]

You said we'd lose at 2-2. Thought you'd be happy with a point. You also said that we would lose the two games following man u but we got 4 points. Thought you'd be happy about that too

 

Everything vectis says is true, great game of football

 

Indeed, at 7.30 tuesday night i'd have happily taken 4 points from two difficult away games. Giving away a two goal lead twice in the same game is disapointing, but shouldn't detract from the fact that 4 points this week is a decent return.

[Window Cleaner]

Indeed, at 7.30 tuesday night i'd have happily taken 4 points from two difficult away games. Giving away a two goal lead twice in the same game is disapointing, but shouldn't detract from the fact that 4 points this week is a decent return.

 

4 from 2 is a decent return,5 from 4 well not so much but we're still in the mix so it's OK.We'll need another 44/45 though so

the margins for error are shrinking.Brighton,Bournemouth and Charlton matches will decide between automatic and play-offs IMO,we probably need to win 2 out of those 4.

[Deppo]

Deppo, why do you have to be such a Rupert?

 

It's not about scapegoats. Fact is, Kelvin is seriously showing flaws in his game and it is costing us.

 

Dan Seabourne is good enough. He loses track of his men, isn't strong enough, has next to no awareness and I find my heart in my mouth everytime he is put under pressure.

 

Dan Harding, although great coming forward and links up superbly with Lallana down the left, he is beaten FAR too often and that second goal last night he just watched Whelpdale get in front of him then pointed the finger at everyone else. Yes, there were others at fault, but he made no effort for the cause there.

 

Fact is, we have some major flaws as it stands. It's not scapegoats, it's honesty.

 

You'd better tell me whether you are joking this time or just beign a total rupert.

[benjii]

I don't blame any players. I blame poor substitutions.

 

Actually, I blame Lee Todd. We let our standards slip to an unacceptable level after he was signed. It's been downhill ever since. Todays players think they're better than they are because they look at him and think 'if he was a premier league player then I should be playing for Barcelona'. This over confidence is costing us points. So, it's down to Lee Todd.

 

This.

 

And who's fault was it that we signed Lee Todd? That's right, I blame The Monkees.

[Turkish]

4 from 2 is a decent return,5 from 4 well not so much but we're still in the mix so it's OK.We'll need another 44/45 though so

the margins for error are shrinking.Brighton,Bournemouth and Charlton matches will decide between automatic and play-offs IMO,we probably need to win 2 out of those 4.

 

Yep, we have 4 massive games coming up, if we are serious about automatic promotion, we need not to lose any and win at least two, there is no reason why we shouldn't. Brighton will be difficult but on our day we can beat them and everyone else in this league, lets hope they drop off a little by then and start to suffer promotion jitters which so many sides do towards the end of the season. All our home games are massively winnable, we probably need to win 13 or 14 of our remaining 19. Which we can and should do.

Edited 6 February, 2011 by Turkish

[Turkish]

I blame Lallana, if he'd have been playing Seaborne would have had that extra yard of pace to beat Mackall-Smith to the ball for their first and him and Harding would have had that extra spring in their jump to head clear for their first equalizer. KD Would have saved both pens as well. We'd also have created more chances so would probably have won 7-0.

[Window Cleaner]

I blame Lallana, if he'd have been playing Seaborne would have had that extra yard of pace to beat Mackall-Smith to the ball for their first and him and Harding would have had that extra spring in their jump to head clear for their first equalizer. KD Would have saved both pens as well. We'd also have created more chances so would probably have won 7-0.

 

Lallana and Morgan both create time and space and can hold on to the ball until they can use it safely.Many of our players do not have these attributes,they can hustle and bustle and huff and puff but they haven't the class to play negatively in a positive way (if you catch my drift).

[Chin Strain]

Are you joking? He knocked the ball past Seabourne who in turn comited defensive suicide by sticking his trailing foot out behind him. The most stupid thing he could of done and it just confirmed that he is a liability.

 

To prove the gulf in difference between Fonte and Seabourne, look at how Fonte dealt with pretty much everything CMS put at him, then look at the times Seabourne come up against and was totally out of his depth. Aaron Martin surely, SURELY has to be considered ahead of Seabourne now?

 

Will have to look at it again as I didn't think he moved his leg at all. I agree with Seaborne though. He's an ok L1 defender and squad player, but we should be looking for better for next season.

[The Majestic Channon]

I blame mick mills..oh no mick mills oh no mick mills

[Chin Strain]

You know what Alpine, I couldn't give a **** about your opinion either because it is worthless, as has been demonstrated time after time after time. You occassionally get things right (and on some things such as Pardew I always agreed with you) but that is purely down to the law of averages. You demonstrate remorselessly you do not have the slightest knowledge of football and you have even less knowledge about Saints, and yet you pass judgement on a match you openly admit you know nothing about. Your approcah to suporting Saints (if you do) has nothing to do with reality, it is based purely on looking at statistics and trying to draw conclusions from an incomplete set of facts, thankfully football is not like that, it is a game, it is a set of sporting contests between human beings with all of their weaknesses and strengths, that is what makes it interesting, not whether on paper we should win a game when we are 2 goals to the good. Did you watch Arsenal v Newcastle yesterday? I wonder if there is an equivalent to Alpine who supports the Arse, I guess there probably is, probably several, they must be slittling their wrists today, how would you cope with letting a 4 goal lead slip? I suspect you would suggest sacking the manager, that would be a great idea, sack the best coach in the world (OK, maybe 1 of top 3). **** happens, and in football, if there were no games like yesterday the game would be not worth watching. The feeling that the general public would have taken from yesterday was, great game, contested by 2 very good footballing teams, try watching it then you might understand (but I doubt it). That is not gushing, that is just pure fact. I am as disappointed as anyone that we ended up only getting 1 point, but it doesn't matter, it doesn't mean we will not get promoted. Your endless moaning and negativity take away much of the pleasure people on this board get from watching and supporting Saints. You need to understand football, and the first thing you need to wake up to is that each match is contested by 2 teams. Jeez some people...

 

Yep....I'll go along with all of that

[Turkish]

Lallana and Morgan both create time and space and can hold on to the ball until they can use it safely.Many of our players do not have these attributes,they can hustle and bustle and huff and puff but they haven't the class to play negatively in a positive way (if you catch my drift).

 

Lallana is also a magician who makes poor players good and average players brilliant, his mere presence on the pitch makes them quicker, stronger, better on the ball, better defenders and strikers and he can magically change the direction of the ball and divert shots and headers that would usually go over or wide into the back of the net. (some people think)

[SnailOB]

I blame Cortese

IF the redevelopment of Staplewood had gone ahead as planned we would benefit from better facilities. Better facilities would see better improvement in the standard of training. Improvement in training would then see our players able to perform to a higher standard both physically and mentally therefore reducing the chance of losing two goal leads.

 

Also, better facilities may well have improved the size of our physio room, therefore Lallana could have been treated more quickly and effectively. At the moment our resident lodgers of Holmes and Connoly seem to be taking up more space. As such, Lallana is not back yet and the team missed his abilities on the pitch.

 

Failing that........... its the fault of Pulis.

 

(Or for Dalek, its the fans fault becuase if we had allowed Hoddle to return then none of the last 5 yrs would have happened)

 

HTH

Edited 6 February, 2011 by SnailOB
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[LeBenali]

I'd like to blame Marc Chamberlain, if he'd had the decency to make his son a couple of inches taller, the ball would have clearly struck the side of his body instead of the debatable armpit/arm region.

[Dig Dig]

I'd like to blame Marc Chamberlain, if he'd had the decency to make his son a couple of inches taller, the ball would have clearly struck the side of his body instead of the debatable armpit/arm region.

 

This. A bad gene pool has clearly dented our promotion hopes

[keithd]

I blame the baby Jesus , he's meant to be our saviour

 

And Maddie. All gone quiet on that front, suspiciously so too I might add

[Judge_B]

I blame the Bay of Biscay.

 

Though to be honest, I wasn't at the match, I only saw the telly view. Might have been different in the stadium

[alpine_saint]

You know what Alpine, I couldn't give a **** about your opinion either because it is worthless, as has been demonstrated time after time after time. You occassionally get things right (and on some things such as Pardew I always agreed with you) but that is purely down to the law of averages. You demonstrate remorselessly you do not have the slightest knowledge of football and you have even less knowledge about Saints, and yet you pass judgement on a match you openly admit you know nothing about. Your approcah to suporting Saints (if you do) has nothing to do with reality, it is based purely on looking at statistics and trying to draw conclusions from an incomplete set of facts, thankfully football is not like that, it is a game, it is a set of sporting contests between human beings with all of their weaknesses and strengths, that is what makes it interesting, not whether on paper we should win a game when we are 2 goals to the good. Did you watch Arsenal v Newcastle yesterday? I wonder if there is an equivalent to Alpine who supports the Arse, I guess there probably is, probably several, they must be slittling their wrists today, how would you cope with letting a 4 goal lead slip? I suspect you would suggest sacking the manager, that would be a great idea, sack the best coach in the world (OK, maybe 1 of top 3). **** happens, and in football, if there were no games like yesterday the game would be not worth watching. The feeling that the general public would have taken from yesterday was, great game, contested by 2 very good footballing teams, try watching it then you might understand (but I doubt it). That is not gushing, that is just pure fact. I am as disappointed as anyone that we ended up only getting 1 point, but it doesn't matter, it doesn't mean we will not get promoted. Your endless moaning and negativity take away much of the pleasure people on this board get from watching and supporting Saints. You need to understand football, and the first thing you need to wake up to is that each match is contested by 2 teams. Jeez some people...

 

Thanks for the timely reminder of the complete lack of ambition and utter wishy-washyness inherent in a proportion of our fan base.

 

The type that go home with a smile on their face when the team turns up, knocks the ball to each other in a couple of strings of passes more than 3 long, and when the team comes over to their section to clap the support at the end...

[Frank's cousin]

You forgot Massey

 

No that would be if we had lost against Ipswich surely? ;-)

[alpine_saint]

You said we'd lose at 2-2. Thought you'd be happy with a point. You also said that we would lose the two games following man u but we got 4 points. Thought you'd be happy about that too

 

Everything vectis says is true, great game of football

 

Lets get a few things straight.

 

I said we would lose the next two games if Manyoo thumped us. They didnt. At the end of the game I said, QUITE CLEARLY, that the team would have their peckers up.

 

Yes, at 2-2 I thought we would lose. We did lose - 2 points. We were ahead by two goals TWICE, FFS.

[Deppo]

Thanks for the timely reminder of the complete lack of ambition and utter wishy-washyness inherent in a proportion of our fan base.

 

The type that go home with a smile on their face when the team turns up, knocks the ball to each other in a couple of strings of passes more than 3 long, and when the team comes over to their section to clap the support at the end...

 

Exactly. We don't need his type on this thread. This thread is for the likes of us, alpine saint. Us proper fans who go home miserable and can't see anything worth getting excited about in a game that we choose to watch for enjoyment. I can't stand those c*nts who respond to the players when they come and clap the support at the end. Do you know what I do when they come and clap? I spit at them. I've never actually managed to hit them yet because I sit quite far back, but it doesn't stop me from doing it. I f*cking hate Saints players. I hate them and their stupid football kits and their stupid football team. I hate Saints. I can't believe I actually choose to go and watch them try and play and pay money for it! I must be insane. I f*cking hate them. In fact, I hate football. I hate life.

[ottery st mary]

Exactly. We don't need his type on this thread. This thread is for the likes of us, alpine saint. Us proper fans who go home miserable and can't see anything worth getting excited about in a game that we choose to watch for enjoyment. I can't stand those c*nts who respond to the players when they come and clap the support at the end. Do you know what I do when they come and clap? I spit at them. I've never actually managed to hit them yet because I sit quite far back, but it doesn't stop me from doing it. I f*cking hate Saints players. I hate them and their stupid football kits and their stupid football team. I hate Saints. I can't believe I actually choose to go and watch them try and play and pay money for it! I must be insane. I f*cking hate them. In fact, I hate football. I hate life.

 

 

And more deep breathing.....

[Turkish]

Thanks for the timely reminder of the complete lack of ambition and utter wishy-washyness inherent in a proportion of our fan base.

 

The type that go home with a smile on their face when the team turns up, knocks the ball to each other in a couple of strings of passes more than 3 long, and when the team comes over to their section to clap the support at the end...

 

After giving away a two goal lead twice in this game i'd imagine our defences confidence will be shot to bits. We wont score 4 every game and with the lack of confidence in the back 5 I can only see heavy defeats at home to Carlise and away to Hartlepool and Rochdale and a slide down the table which might lead to a battle against relegation, unless Lallana is back and we'll win all the games 10-0.

Edited 6 February, 2011 by Turkish

[Turkish]

Lets get a few things straight.

 

I said we would lose the next two games if Manyoo thumped us. They didnt. At the end of the game I said, QUITE CLEARLY, that the team would have their peckers up.

 

Yes, at 2-2 I thought we would lose. We did lose - 2 points. We were ahead by two goals TWICE, FFS.

 

You also said we'd lose away at Exeter when we were either losing or drawing (i'm not sure which, i was at the game watching us win), you also said after beating Huddersfield we'd "p*ss it away" against Exeter and Dagenham. keep trying, you might get one right one day.

[benjii]

After giving away a two goal lead twice in this game i'd imagine our defences confidence will be shot to bits. We wont score 4 every game and with the lack of confidence in the back 5 I can only see heavy defeats at home to Carlise and away to Hartlepool and Rochdale. (unless Lallana is back and we'll win all the games 10-0)

 

This is correct. I don't think I'm being an emotionally incontinent, misanthropic, deluded, weirdo by saying that the future of the entire city hangs by a thread.

[alpine_saint]

You also said we'd lose away at Exeter when we were either losing or drawing (i'm not sure which, i was at the game watching us win), you also said after beating Huddersfield we'd "p*ss it away" against Exeter and Dagenham. keep trying, you might get one right one day.

 

Let's anaylse your forecasting then....

 

"The squad is strong enough for promotion"

[dune]

Lets get a few things straight.

 

I said we would lose the next two games if Manyoo thumped us. They didnt. At the end of the game I said, QUITE CLEARLY, that the team would have their peckers up.

 

Yes, at 2-2 I thought we would lose. We did lose - 2 points. We were ahead by two goals TWICE, FFS.

 

I can undestand your frustration. I don't go very often but when I do go it costs about £100. Over a season it all adds up and because of this expense we've got a right to complain as we are customers. Undoubtedly you go to a lot more games than me so you're fully entitled to complain a lot more than most fans who are just whingeing cocks that only ever listen to games on the radio.

[Turkish]

Let's anaylse your forecasting then....

 

"The squad is strong enough for promotion"

 

and your point being?

 

BTW when is this slide down the table starting?

Edited 6 February, 2011 by Turkish

[paulwantsapint]

The grounds man was to blame if ball hadn't bobbled Rickie would got his hatrick & made score line 3-5

[sussexsaint]

Muslim paedo speed cameras.

 

Oh and Guly, for not scoring, awful tackling but mainly for not being subbed by nguessan

[Firead]

It's Alpines fault always is and always will be!!!!

[Window Cleaner]

It's Alpines fault always is and always will be!!!!

 

must be a new record, 1 post and he (or she) slags off Alps.:D

[pele]

A very wise first post!

[Deano6]

Hammond.

 

He makes me so mad with his below outstanding performances that I want to self harm.

 

Absolutely bloody right! Hammond's performace was so bad he even made League One Team of the Week.

[Winnersaint]

You know what Alpine, I couldn't give a **** about your opinion either because it is worthless, as has been demonstrated time after time after time. You occassionally get things right (and on some things such as Pardew I always agreed with you) but that is purely down to the law of averages. You demonstrate remorselessly you do not have the slightest knowledge of football and you have even less knowledge about Saints, and yet you pass judgement on a match you openly admit you know nothing about. Your approcah to suporting Saints (if you do) has nothing to do with reality, it is based purely on looking at statistics and trying to draw conclusions from an incomplete set of facts, thankfully football is not like that, it is a game, it is a set of sporting contests between human beings with all of their weaknesses and strengths, that is what makes it interesting, not whether on paper we should win a game when we are 2 goals to the good. Did you watch Arsenal v Newcastle yesterday? I wonder if there is an equivalent to Alpine who supports the Arse, I guess there probably is, probably several, they must be slittling their wrists today, how would you cope with letting a 4 goal lead slip? I suspect you would suggest sacking the manager, that would be a great idea, sack the best coach in the world (OK, maybe 1 of top 3). **** happens, and in football, if there were no games like yesterday the game would be not worth watching. The feeling that the general public would have taken from yesterday was, great game, contested by 2 very good footballing teams, try watching it then you might understand (but I doubt it). That is not gushing, that is just pure fact. I am as disappointed as anyone that we ended up only getting 1 point, but it doesn't matter, it doesn't mean we will not get promoted. Your endless moaning and negativity take away much of the pleasure people on this board get from watching and supporting Saints. You need to understand football, and the first thing you need to wake up to is that each match is contested by 2 teams. Jeez some people...

 

I couldn't put this any more succinctly. Alps you continually come across as a complete and utter KOK with you constant whining

[Scudamore]

Absolutely bloody right! Hammond's performace was so bad he even made League One Team of the Week.

I should imagine that Hammond would be pleased at that sort of news. It's that kind of attitude that stops him being on a par with Essien in my opinion. In fact until such a time as he wins a lifetime achievement award from the PFA this season i'd like him to just f::ck off somewhere else.

[The9]

Absolutely bloody right! Hammond's performace was so bad he even made League One Team of the Week.

 

It doesn't seem to have had any bearing on Lambert's selection...

[scotty]

It used to be Frank Saul.

 

http://www.canveyisland.org/page_id__742.aspx

 

Canvey Island....Dr Feelgood...Wilko Johnson.....

 

good times

[Hamilton Saint]

Exactly. We don't need his type on this thread. This thread is for the likes of us, alpine saint. Us proper fans who go home miserable and can't see anything worth getting excited about in a game that we choose to watch for enjoyment. I can't stand those c*nts who respond to the players when they come and clap the support at the end. Do you know what I do when they come and clap? I spit at them. I've never actually managed to hit them yet because I sit quite far back, but it doesn't stop me from doing it. I f*cking hate Saints players. I hate them and their stupid football kits and their stupid football team. I hate Saints. I can't believe I actually choose to go and watch them try and play and pay money for it! I must be insane. I f*cking hate them. In fact, I hate football. I hate life.

 

Brilliant!

[alpine_saint]

This thread is hillarious.

 

I point out that fans have the right to be p*ssed at the players for having let a 2 goal lead slip twice (which they have), and the usual suspects freak out with their abuse. Apparently their idea of supporting a team is trying to turn the other cheek to, make weak excuses for, or trying to spin the positives out of every single thing that happens. Sorry, dont buy it, fans should be able to be coldly analytical and critical when the situation requires it. They also seem to forget that on this particular occasion, Adkins apparently was completely unamused with what happened, in the post-match interview.

 

There are some people in these parts in desperate need of help.....

[Turkish]

This thread is hillarious.

 

I point out that fans have the right to be p*ssed at the players for having let a 2 goal lead slip twice (which they have), and the usual suspects freak out with their abuse. Apparently their idea of supporting a team is trying to turn the other cheek to, make weak excuses for, or trying to spin the positives out of every single thing that happens. Sorry, dont buy it, fans should be able to be coldly analytical and critical when the situation requires it. They also seem to forget that on this particular occasion, Adkins apparently was completely unamused with what happened, in the post-match interview.

 

There are some people in these parts in desperate need of help.....

 

Whats your prediction for saturday Alps?

[alpine_saint]

Whats your prediction for saturday Alps?

 

3-1 to Saints.

[Turkish]

3-1 to Saints.

 

will you change it if we aren't winning at half time?