Time to Drop Davis

[Viking Warrior]

As we are on a drop the donkey thread

 

I think it is time to drop Rickie Lambert apart from scoring a few goals from penalties

he has not contributed to much else

Also AC has scored for a couple of games so he should be dropped.

 

 

Personnally I think both players have provided so much to the team for a good few months. One bad game does not mean a crap player

 

In case people think Im being serious about Rickie and AC . Im not but its easy to put out a provocative comment on here

get behind the team who ever is playing on match days instead of looking for scapegoats all the time

[Wade Garrett]

I understand your reservations but in the here and now we have a problem with stoppable goals and Bialkowski may not be the answer, but he is an answer and has kept two clean sheets out of three and let two goal in against MU neither he could be blamed for, whilst last season he had a cracking six games and a loan period at Barnsley where he was outstanding. We certainly can't afford to let Davis have much more time the way we are leaking giveaway goals.

 

A lot of goalkeepers at our level catch/punch our corners and free kicks that are floated into the goal area which immediately ends the threat. Opponents put our defenders under enormous pressure because the ball is delivered between the six yd box and under the crossbar and only rarely does Davis react, which isn't good enough in my book. There is a massive difference between appropriate catching/punching and hardly at all. The very top keepers, Cech, Van de Sar, Reina totally dominate their goal area. I'm looking for where appropriate like Bialkowski, not almost never, like Davis. If our goalkeeper showed a competency and willingness to deal with problems in the goal area the delivery would have to be further out.

 

I'm with you, but Cech is a bottle job and does not dominate his area.

 

Davis is making too many mistakes and should be dropped.

[derry]

I respect your opinions but am surprised that you expect so much from a lower league goalkeeper. Did you watrch Brentfords Lee the other night? It was comical how he tried to come and punch, Cech likewise. Richard wright made so many errors he was dropped by Ipswich and now loaned out, the days of a keeper coming out and taking the ball time after time like the good old days are gone, as the attacking side know how to block the keepers as well as the ball moving in its flight. To me if you know the keeper is not coming surely the centre halves know they must go for the ball. I didnt see that you blamed KD for the 2nd goal and I suspect you agree he was not at fault for that one. I feel he could have done better for the first, but the ball did stay low and not bounce as would be normally expected. I would respect the decision for Bart to be played, but I do not have the same confidence. None of KD's detractors came back and answered my question, whether they believed we would have got a point if they had scored when their player was clean through. had we gone 1 down would we have got back into it? Nobody can answer it but i do believe we may have struggled

 

Firstly Davis WAS a top Championship goalkeeper at Ipswich and went to the Premier with Sunderland on the back of that. He had a nightmare season at Sunderland and it could only be the Ipswich connection that made Burley/Saints pay £2m for him. When he first came he made all sorts of errors, the worst v QPR early in the season. He then settled down to be purely a shotstopper and a good one at that who had a good long kick but nothing else. The relegation season saw him as the star, as the poor side exposed him to a lot of shotstopping opportunities. Since relegation he has been playing behind a decent defence and again in the main his shotstopping has been good but that is not enough. Match after match I see goalkeepers that can shotstop but have other talents, communication, decision making, good early distribution, appropriate intervention on crosses, even Exeter's reserve Jones looked a decent keeper, but for him we would have reached double figures.

 

Davis is now making multiple errors, Tranmere, Exeter, Peterborough and if it had been an outfield player they would have be dropped as happened to the back four/midfield players. Bart has performed well in the last two seasons, any time he has been called on and deserves the opportunity to prove himself one way or the other. Either way we need a replacement for Davis in due course.

 

I don't blame Davis for the second goal because Harding was ball watching, didn't go for the ball and allowed Whelpdale to get in front of him and not only block him but head the ball in. I don't blame Davis for the goal as the ball was six yds out, therefore as he stays on his line virtually always, he was never going to go for the cross, so a defender had to deal with it but didn't. Having said that, it is a prime reason I want him out because a keeper that does deal with crosses would have intervened.

 

As for the save before the first goal, it was nothing out of the ordinary and was a fifty fifty block with the legs most goalkeepers would have achieved as Lewis demonstrated in the second half. If he hadn't made the save is hypothetical, however added to the first goal where he should have done better, it would have dented his reputation as a shot stopper, without which he would be unsupportable.

Edited 9 February, 2011 by derry

[Window Cleaner]

And Mark Schwarzer. Remember him at SMS when we were in the Premier League. He came out and caught every cross that was going.

 

that would probably be because Schwarzer is an excellent and much sought after keeper and Davis is playing in the 3rd division.

I personally think we should have gone after Ankergren when he was out of contract last summer but that's just my opinion.

[Wade Garrett]

I've just watched the goals from the Peterborough game again. Davis went down like a sack of potatoes for the first goal where he was beaten at the near post. The second goal was a loopy sort of cross from a deep position that he should have been challenging for, no question in my book.

 

The Exeter goal was a massive error in judgement.

 

No matter what saves he makes after these mistakes, he has cost us goals and points. I don't really see him making saves that are beyond a lot of pro keepers.

 

I have robustly defended him on more than one occasion in the past, but I can't anymore.

[OldNick]

Firstly Davis WAS a top Championship goalkeeper at Ipswich and went to the Premier with Sunderland on the back of that. He had a nightmare season at Sunderland and it could only be the Ipswich connection that made Burley/Saints pay £2m for him. When he first came he made all sorts of errors, the worst v QPR early in the season. He then settled down to be purely a shotstopper and a good one at that who had a good long kick but nothing else. The relegation season saw him as the star, as the poor side exposed him to a lot of shotstopping opportunities. Since relegation he has been playing behind a decent defence and again in the main his shotstopping has been good but that is not enough. Match after match I see goalkeepers that can shotstop but have other talents, communication, decision making, good early distribution, appropriate intervention on crosses, even Exeter's reserve Jones looked a decent keeper, but for him we would have reached double figures.

 

Davis is now making multiple errors, Tranmere, Exeter, Peterborough and if it had been an outfield player they would have be dropped as happened to the back four/midfield players. Bart has performed well in the last two seasons, any time he has been called on and deserves the opportunity to prove himself one way or the other. Either way we need a replacement for Davis in due course.

 

I don't blame Davis for the second goal because Harding was ball watching, didn't go for the ball and allowed Whelpdale to get in front of him and not only block him but head the ball in. I don't blame Davis for the goal as the ball was six yds out, therefore as he stays on his line virtually always, he was never going to go for the cross, so a defender had to deal with it but didn't. Having said that, it is a prime reason I want him out because a keeper that does deal with crosses would have intervened.

 

As for the save before the first goal, it was nothing out of the ordinary and was a fifty fifty block with the legs most goalkeepers would have achieved as Lewis demonstrated in the second half. If he hadn't made the save is hypothetical, however added to the first goal where he should have done better, it would have dented his reputation as a shot stopper, without which he would be unsupportable.

Lewis is wanted by PL clubs. KD made 2 terrible howlers against QPR and Preston at SMS. This after taking the blame for Sunderlands demise in the PL. Funny how the keepers always to blame when a team lets in shedloads of goals but the defenders are let off.

You like MS I think he is a negative player who slows any of our attacks down, that is football. I believe KD gets a load of unfair stick and some of the nonsense about coming for the ball is unreasonable. I agree that there are occasions when he could take the ball but with that comes risks. His first priority is shotstopping, that is what wins you games, not his kicking or speed out with the ball. If he throws the ball out and the defender is robbed for the opposition to score who gets the blame? many times he is given suicidal backpasses and has to kick to touch, who gets the blame?

I understand where you come from as I never rated Paul jones but he did make some wonderful saves, but i was always worried when he played.

[Goalie66]

Firstly Davis WAS a top Championship goalkeeper at Ipswich and went to the Premier with Sunderland on the back of that. He had a nightmare season at Sunderland and it could only be the Ipswich connection that made Burley/Saints pay £2m for him. When he first came he made all sorts of errors, the worst v QPR early in the season. He then settled down to be purely a shotstopper and a good one at that who had a good long kick but nothing else. The relegation season saw him as the star, as the poor side exposed him to a lot of shotstopping opportunities. Since relegation he has been playing behind a decent defence and again in the main his shotstopping has been good but that is not enough. Match after match I see goalkeepers that can shotstop but have other talents, communication, decision making, good early distribution, appropriate intervention on crosses, even Exeter's reserve Jones looked a decent keeper, but for him we would have reached double figures.

 

Davis is now making multiple errors, Tranmere, Exeter, Peterborough and if it had been an outfield player they would have be dropped as happened to the back four/midfield players. Bart has performed well in the last two seasons, any time he has been called on and deserves the opportunity to prove himself one way or the other. Either way we need a replacement for Davis in due course.

 

I don't blame Davis for the second goal because Harding was ball watching, didn't go for the ball and allowed Whelpdale to get in front of him and not only block him but head the ball in. I don't blame Davis for the goal as the ball was six yds out, therefore as he stays on his line virtually always, he was never going to go for the cross, so a defender had to deal with it but didn't. Having said that, it is a prime reason I want him out because a keeper that does deal with crosses would have intervened.

 

As for the save before the first goal, it was nothing out of the ordinary and was a fifty fifty block with the legs most goalkeepers would have achieved as Lewis demonstrated in the second half. If he hadn't made the save is hypothetical, however added to the first goal where he should have done better, it would have dented his reputation as a shot stopper, without which he would be unsupportable.

 

Spot on post but I still think Davies should have gone for the second but we all know that he does not go for crosses which is the major weakness of his game

[Whitey Grandad]

I understand where you come from as I never rated Paul jones but he did make some wonderful saves, but i was always worried when he played.

Especially when you consider that we bought him for £1m and replaced Maik Taylor who we sold for £500k.

[derry]

Lewis is wanted by PL clubs. KD made 2 terrible howlers against QPR and Preston at SMS. This after taking the blame for Sunderlands demise in the PL. Funny how the keepers always to blame when a team lets in shedloads of goals but the defenders are let off.

You like MS I think he is a negative player who slows any of our attacks down, that is football. I believe KD gets a load of unfair stick and some of the nonsense about coming for the ball is unreasonable. I agree that there are occasions when he could take the ball but with that comes risks. His first priority is shotstopping, that is what wins you games, not his kicking or speed out with the ball. If he throws the ball out and the defender is robbed for the opposition to score who gets the blame? many times he is given suicidal backpasses and has to kick to touch, who gets the blame?

I understand where you come from as I never rated Paul jones but he did make some wonderful saves, but i was always worried when he played.

 

I don't rate MS highly as I think his workrate and effort is poor. His one goal in his Saints career is a joke. Sadly as a youngster he seems to have been allowed to limit himself to strolling around and just passing, whilst avoiding the work rate and effort that is needed to be a midfield player. Against MU with a bit of extra effort he looked brilliant in midfield but faded out in the second half and provided nothing in the MU penalty area. My biggest criticism of him is the number of times he unloads the ball to anyone even five yds away then stops moving slowing everything down. He has a lot of ability on the ball but no dynamism hence the lack of threat in the opposition's half.

[derry]

Spot on post but I still think Davies should have gone for the second but we all know that he does not go for crosses which is the major weakness of his game

 

So do I, but I'm not blaming him as it is a given that he'll stay anchored on the goal line so somebody else however unfairly has to deal with it and Harding let his man get by him because instead of going for the ball he tried to impede Whelpdale, missed and was caught flat footed. This is why I want Davis out especially as he is also making errors gifting goals.

[DT]

Firstly Davis WAS a top Championship goalkeeper at Ipswich and went to the Premier with Sunderland on the back of that. He had a nightmare season at Sunderland and it could only be the Ipswich connection that made Burley/Saints pay £2m for him. When he first came he made all sorts of errors, the worst v QPR early in the season. He then settled down to be purely a shotstopper and a good one at that who had a good long kick but nothing else. The relegation season saw him as the star, as the poor side exposed him to a lot of shotstopping opportunities. Since relegation he has been playing behind a decent defence and again in the main his shotstopping has been good but that is not enough. Match after match I see goalkeepers that can shotstop but have other talents, communication, decision making, good early distribution, appropriate intervention on crosses, even Exeter's reserve Jones looked a decent keeper, but for him we would have reached double figures.

 

Davis is now making multiple errors, Tranmere, Exeter, Peterborough and if it had been an outfield player they would have be dropped as happened to the back four/midfield players. Bart has performed well in the last two seasons, any time he has been called on and deserves the opportunity to prove himself one way or the other. Either way we need a replacement for Davis in due course.

 

I don't blame Davis for the second goal because Harding was ball watching, didn't go for the ball and allowed Whelpdale to get in front of him and not only block him but head the ball in. I don't blame Davis for the goal as the ball was six yds out, therefore as he stays on his line virtually always, he was never going to go for the cross, so a defender had to deal with it but didn't. Having said that, it is a prime reason I want him out because a keeper that does deal with crosses would have intervened.

 

As for the save before the first goal, it was nothing out of the ordinary and was a fifty fifty block with the legs most goalkeepers would have achieved as Lewis demonstrated in the second half. If he hadn't made the save is hypothetical, however added to the first goal where he should have done better, it would have dented his reputation as a shot stopper, without which he would be unsupportable.

Very, very well put, sir.

I've been saying much the same (but not as well) for two years now. Usually get shot down by those who like 'highlights' keepers.

[Bridge]

Firstly Davis WAS a top Championship goalkeeper at Ipswich and went to the Premier with Sunderland on the back of that. He had a nightmare season at Sunderland and it could only be the Ipswich connection that made Burley/Saints pay £2m for him. When he first came he made all sorts of errors, the worst v QPR early in the season. He then settled down to be purely a shotstopper and a good one at that who had a good long kick but nothing else. The relegation season saw him as the star, as the poor side exposed him to a lot of shotstopping opportunities. Since relegation he has been playing behind a decent defence and again in the main his shotstopping has been good but that is not enough. Match after match I see goalkeepers that can shotstop but have other talents, communication, decision making, good early distribution, appropriate intervention on crosses, even Exeter's reserve Jones looked a decent keeper, but for him we would have reached double figures.

 

Davis is now making multiple errors, Tranmere, Exeter, Peterborough and if it had been an outfield player they would have be dropped as happened to the back four/midfield players. Bart has performed well in the last two seasons, any time he has been called on and deserves the opportunity to prove himself one way or the other. Either way we need a replacement for Davis in due course.

 

I don't blame Davis for the second goal because Harding was ball watching, didn't go for the ball and allowed Whelpdale to get in front of him and not only block him but head the ball in. I don't blame Davis for the goal as the ball was six yds out, therefore as he stays on his line virtually always, he was never going to go for the cross, so a defender had to deal with it but didn't. Having said that, it is a prime reason I want him out because a keeper that does deal with crosses would have intervened.

 

As for the save before the first goal, it was nothing out of the ordinary and was a fifty fifty block with the legs most goalkeepers would have achieved as Lewis demonstrated in the second half. If he hadn't made the save is hypothetical, however added to the first goal where he should have done better, it would have dented his reputation as a shot stopper, without which he would be unsupportable.

 

This is an excellent post by derry and sums up the Davis situation. I guess if people on here are still defending Davis, they are not looking at the facts over time. This has exposed Mr Davis as the weakest link in the team now that we have re-built the out-field players. Football I am afraid is like running a business and is all about continuous improvement. Bring on a new Goalkeeper please!!

[Viking Warrior]

Come on Bridge , if you look at all goal keepers of a period of time you will see they make errors grobellor, shilton etc

all goalkeepers even the best make errors

I think where davies is most vulnerable is when the opposition is attacking in numbers deep in our penalty area. especially in the six yard box. I have looked at the Boro goals. Its possible he could have saved one but where was the defensive cover.

 

If he was rested it will not be long before individuals on here would be calling for Barts Head.

 

keep the same team to keep continuity not tinker with it. if change is needed then wait till the summer.

[thesaint sfc]

We need Niemi back IMO.

[Wade Garrett]

Come on Bridge , if you look at all goal keepers of a period of time you will see they make errors grobellor, shilton etc

all goalkeepers even the best make errors

I think where davies is most vulnerable is when the opposition is attacking in numbers deep in our penalty area. especially in the six yard box. I have looked at the Boro goals. Its possible he could have saved one but where was the defensive cover.

 

If he was rested it will not be long before individuals on here would be calling for Barts Head.

 

keep the same team to keep continuity not tinker with it. if change is needed then wait till the summer.

 

Shilton, are you sure? He made less mistakes in a 25 year career than Davis makes in a season. And it was a 25 year career at the top level of the game.

[wild-saint]

I cant quite get over how people can suddenly decide Bart is a better option than Kelvin. ive not seen lots of Bart admittedly but proabably not a lot less than anyone else who is making this call.

 

Barts last two games he flapped a a cross in each game that ended up hitting a post / cross bar which he was extremely luckiy didnt end up in a goal being conceded. I thought he was very average

[Window Cleaner]

I cant quite get over how people can suddenly decide Bart is a better option than Kelvin. ive not seen lots of Bart admittedly but proabably not a lot less than anyone else who is making this call.

 

Barts last two games he flapped a a cross in each game that ended up hitting a post / cross bar which he was extremely luckiy didnt end up in a goal being conceded. I thought he was very average

 

They are both very average,that's just the problem.Goalkeeping is our weak link, it's probably what allows teams of lesser all-round ability to keep pace with or be above us.At first this season it was goalscoring as well but we seem to have that sorted.I'm pretty convinced that Davis has cost us somewhere between 6 and 8 points this season.

[OldNick]

Shilton, are you sure? He made less mistakes in a 25 year career than Davis makes in a season. And it was a 25 year career at the top level of the game.

time does fade the memory. Shilts was a great keeper for us, can you recall the one where he ran out to the touchline and missed a header for WHU to score, the infamous Polish goal that knocked us out of a World cup , how he put the ball down not looking behind him for the attacker to just take it and roll it into the net (3rd 4th play off game in WC) and of course not taking maradonna out when the midget out jumped him to handle the ball. i would call some of those pretty major.

Edited 10 February, 2011 by OldNick

[wild-saint]

how many points have been cost by defenders making defenders in comparison or losst points from forwards not taking thier chances? I think in reality we have a keeper of a decent standard for the league we are in.

 

Admittedly he isnt one of our star players but then id prefer our stars to be in attacking positons. IMO we arent going to get a keeper of a much better standards unless we spend big bucks and then we have the problem of wanting to drop to our level. Im not sure we are going to get a better keeper than Kelvin on a loan.

[Kenilworthy]

As has already been said, we missed the boat badly on Ankergren. It is not as if the Bartman is a totally untried rookie. He played a vital role in the run to the playoffs in 2006/7 thanks mainly to Davis' gross unprofessionalism in getting a ban for kicking a Stoke player. However we have never had a full explanation as to why he was dropped for the second leg at Pride Park - it has been suggested that he bottled it. He also did very well when Davis was injured before Christmas last season. Adkins was pretty ruthless in dropping players who made errors at Carlisle. He needs to show that the same standards apply to everyone in the team.

[saint1977]

I still rate Davis above Bart but he is on thin ice and must be more commanding of his area. The back 4 has been dreadful of late though, only Fonte has bothered defending bar Harding in the Man U game and we could easily have leaked more goals at Exeter as well as Posh as our back has been as square as the early BSB satellite dishes. Adkins needs to really get down to basics with them and get them organised. That'll help out whoever we play in goal.

 

Thankfully Carlisle are struggling for goals post-Madine so only Zoko is a threat amongst their strikers and for some reason Matt Robson can't get a game. They are also leaking like a sieve so we should win but the better sides will keep on finding us out if we don't get back to the solidity we had Xmas and most of January. As Adkins says, this is what championships are built on.

[Wade Garrett]

time does fade the memory. Shilts was a great keeper for us, can you recall the one where he ran out to the touchline and missed a header for WHU to score, the infamous Polish goal that knocked us out of a World cup , how he put the ball down not looking behind him for the attacker to just take it and roll it into the net (3rd 4th play off game in WC) and of course not taking maradonna out when the midget out jumped him to handle the ball. i would call some of those pretty major.

 

There you go. 4 mistakes in a long illustrious career. Davis has made more this season alone.

[OldNick]

There you go. 4 mistakes in a long illustrious career. Davis has made more this season alone.

Lol, that was just off the top of my head, and if leaking a goal against Exeter is the same as costing the nation World Cup qualification......

I was making the point that all keepers are known for mistakes, their mistakes are costly, but it seems some on here expect us to field a keeper that would be the best to ever have played. I will happily say if KD has made a bad error, but he also has made some match winning saves add to that how he gets blamed for goals like Boro's 2nd is comical.

[Wade Garrett]

Lol, that was just off the top of my head, and if leaking a goal against Exeter is the same as costing the nation World Cup qualification......

I was making the point that all keepers are known for mistakes, their mistakes are costly, but it seems some on here expect us to field a keeper that would be the best to ever have played. I will happily say if KD has made a bad error, but he also has made some match winning saves add to that how he gets blamed for goals like Boro's 2nd is comical.

 

He wasn't exactly blameless for the 2nd goal.

 

Peter Shilton is possibly the finest keeper this country has ever produced. He won 125 caps in an era in which English keepers were among the best in the world. He saw off competition from greats such as Banks, Clemence, Corrigan, Rimmer, Parkes and Bailey. He was a major reason why Forest won 2 league championships and 2 European Cups.

 

He didn't make many mistakes. That was one of the reasons he was so good. Have a good think and you won't recall many more mistakes from him.

 

Davis' errors are occurring too frequently and costing us goals.

[David Strover]

The fact is people on here, for some unknown, actually seem to hate Davis and will find any reason and excuse to drop him. When he's gone and nothing changes - which it won't they will either blame the next goalie or another player.

 

For me he's a Southampton player and therefore gets my full support until he ceases to play for us.

 

It's that simply.

[up and away]

The fact is people on here, for some unknown, actually seem to hate Davis and will find any reason and excuse to drop him. When he's gone and nothing changes - which it won't they will either blame the next goalie or another player.

 

For me he's a Southampton player and therefore gets my full support until he ceases to play for us.

 

It's that simply.

 

I don't believe anyone hates Davis, they tend to get wound up when they see a consistent problem and I fully agree that staying on his line creates more problems for the team than himself alone. He stayed loyal to us when times were hard and he deserves respect for that, but that does not extend to a starting place. Davis is good enough for this league but I would want another goalie brought in if we made the Championship and Bart was not up to it. Davis was and is a poor goalie at Championship level, you only have to look back at how fans rated him against Richard Wright to figure that out.

 

I was disappointed with the first goal by Peterborough, but in all truth I would not pick that game to heavily criticise Davis and trying to say he should have come for the second is ludicrous. Although I would like to see Bart given a go to see if he can solve this problem, I readily accept that if Adkins views Kelvin as the best option, then there is good reason.

[Grassmole]

time does fade the memory. Shilts was a great keeper for us, can you recall the one where he ran out to the touchline and missed a header for WHU to score, the infamous Polish goal that knocked us out of a World cup , how he put the ball down not looking behind him for the attacker to just take it and roll it into the net (3rd 4th play off game in WC) and of course not taking maradonna out when the midget out jumped him to handle the ball. i would call some of those pretty major.

 

Not to mention his pathetic running on the spot thing when Germany scored from the Parker-deflected freekick in Italia 90. He was in his own 6 yard box and couldn't just step back and tip it over the bar. Saying that he was 38 and well past it. But Kelvin has had an error strewn career and I'd prefer someone else. Bart for now as we have no other option. Give him a run in the side.

[St_Tel49]

He wasn't exactly blameless for the 2nd goal.

 

Peter Shilton is possibly the finest keeper this country has ever produced. He won 125 caps in an era in which English keepers were among the best in the world. He saw off competition from greats such as Banks, Clemence, Corrigan, Rimmer, Parkes and Bailey. He was a major reason why Forest won 2 league championships and 2 European Cups.

 

He didn't make many mistakes. That was one of the reasons he was so good. Have a good think and you won't recall many more mistakes from him.

 

Davis' errors are occurring too frequently and costing us goals.

I see, so the problem with Davis is that he isn't Shilton. Got it now!

[Legod Third Coming]

The fact is people on here, for some unknown, actually seem to hate Davis and will find any reason and excuse to drop him. When he's gone and nothing changes - which it won't they will either blame the next goalie or another player.

 

For me he's a Southampton player and therefore gets my full support until he ceases to play for us.

 

It's that simply.

 

With all due respect that is a totally ridiculous argument. By your logic, Ali Dia would be in the team and today we would be playing Woking Town... Reserves!

 

I don't know anyone who hates David and does not support him when he is in the team. I have never heard him bood or jeered, for example.

 

Equally, this is a FOOTBALL FORUM for discussing our team and who is playing well and who is playing badly. Davis is out of form - or certainly not in the same form as last season. He has appeard more hesitant and been guilty of a few poor decisions. So why should that not form part of our assessment of his performances? Or should we turn a blind eye?

 

If we are genuinely serious about promotion, every player should be scrutisined and assessed and asked to improve.

 

Not much to ask is it?

 

And isn't the reason we have 22 players - competition?

 

Not much of a competition if any player can have a mare and feel comfortable not worrying about his position...

[farawaysaint]

Davis is a fantastic keeper, that said if he's hit a bad patch of form drop him as you would any other player and let him regain his confidence.

[brmbrm]

Shilton, are you sure? He made less mistakes in a 25 year career than Davis makes in a season. And it was a 25 year career at the top level of the game.

 

FFS the fact that he made so few mistakes was why he was playing at "the top level of the game". And he was top internationally, not just the prem the Champioship or League 1.

 

Thank God we have a manager who is better placed and better able at making these sorts of decisions than web forum posters.

 

(There was an experimetn of fans vote for who goes on the team sheet (can't remember which club) - what a laugh!)

[Goalie66]

So there we have it KD should now be nicknamed "Dracula"

[Wade Garrett]

FFS the fact that he made so few mistakes was why he was playing at "the top level of the game". And he was top internationally, not just the prem the Champioship or League 1.

 

Thank God we have a manager who is better placed and better able at making these sorts of decisions than web forum posters.

 

(There was an experimetn of fans vote for who goes on the team sheet (can't remember which club) - what a laugh!)

 

I only mentioned Shilts when someone tried to excuse Davis' errors by saying that Shilts made them too. I am saying that it's time to drop Davis. What's wrong with that?

[Wade Garrett]

I see, so the problem with Davis is that he isn't Shilton. Got it now!

 

You've got f*ck all you sarcastic idiot. Read the posts again in the context they were written.

[Firead]

Interesting article on OS saying Bart must be patient.....is Na not patient any more with KD??

[conaero]

Looks like the powers that be are listening and paving the way...coincidence?????

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2290892,00.html?

[Legod Third Coming]

Looks like the powers that be are listening and paving the way...coincidence?????

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2290892,00.html?

 

Who is Kevin Davies exactly??

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

As has already been said, we missed the boat badly on Ankergren. It is not as if the Bartman is a totally untried rookie. He played a vital role in the run to the playoffs in 2006/7 thanks mainly to Davis' gross unprofessionalism in getting a ban for kicking a Stoke player. However we have never had a full explanation as to why he was dropped for the second leg at Pride Park - it has been suggested that he bottled it. He also did very well when Davis was injured before Christmas last season. Adkins was pretty ruthless in dropping players who made errors at Carlisle. He needs to show that the same standards apply to everyone in the team.

 

I've got mates who support Brighton and they all say the same thing about Ankergren. If he has a major flaw, it's coming for crosses. I seem to recall Leeds fans saying the same thing. IMO, Davis is similar. Decent shot stopper but doesn't come for crosses and doesn't command the box. That said, he is one of the best at sweeping up behind the defence. Swings and roundabouts really. Whoever's in goal Bart, Davis or A.N. Other they will all have faults at this level.

[St Matty]

I think I will put my faith in Nigel Adkins as he is a proven Manager who has managed in the 2nd tier of the best Leagues in the world. His judgement must be worth more than most people who post on here - unless someone here has managed at a higher level?

As for KD I admire his work rate, his commitment to the club (could have gone to West ham), his captaincy (must mean something when 2 managers or was it 3 make him captain) and on Saturday I will get behind him and the team that is on the pitch.

[Gemmel]

I think I will put my faith in Nigel Adkins as he is a proven Manager who has managed in the 2nd tier of the best Leagues in the world. His judgement must be worth more than most people who post on here - unless someone here has managed at a higher level?

As for KD I admire his work rate, his commitment to the club (could have gone to West ham), his captaincy (must mean something when 2 managers or was it 3 make him captain) and on Saturday I will get behind him and the team that is on the pitch.

 

Good post ST Matty, agree with it all apart from the work rate (Didnt understand what you meant), but ultimately Adkins gets to see them both and he will choose the best one.

[Leicestersaint]

He does make a number of costly mistakes.

[Legod Third Coming]

I think I will put my faith in Nigel Adkins as he is a proven Manager who has managed in the 2nd tier of the best Leagues in the world. His judgement must be worth more than most people who post on here - unless someone here has managed at a higher level?

As for KD I admire his work rate, his commitment to the club (could have gone to West ham), his captaincy (must mean something when 2 managers or was it 3 make him captain) and on Saturday I will get behind him and the team that is on the pitch.

 

Yawn... might as well ban the internet then. Authority knows best.

 

And no doubt everyone else on this thread who questions Davis' form was actually intending to stone him tomorrow... rolly eyes emoticon... followed by winky thing to indicate that I'm thoroughly bored of the debate and people not bothering to enter it other than to state that they support the team. Funny, in 35 years I've just been going along for the hot dog and warm beer...

[saint simes]

I don't believe anyone hates Davis, they tend to get wound up when they see a consistent problem and I fully agree that staying on his line creates more problems for the team than himself alone. He stayed loyal to us when times were hard and he deserves respect for that, but that does not extend to a starting place. Davis is good enough for this league but I would want another goalie brought in if we made the Championship and Bart was not up to it. Davis was and is a poor goalie at Championship level, you only have to look back at how fans rated him against Richard Wright to figure that out.

 

I was disappointed with the first goal by Peterborough, but in all truth I would not pick that game to heavily criticise Davis and trying to say he should have come for the second is ludicrous. Although I would like to see Bart given a go to see if he can solve this problem, I readily accept that if Adkins views Kelvin as the best option, then there is good reason.

 

How did he manage to be voted championship goal keeper of the year then?

[Whitey Grandad]

How did he manage to be voted championship goal keeper of the year then?

 

That was then: this is now.

[Charlie Wayman]

There's a hint on the OS that Barts will be in goal tomorrow, otherwise why showcase his patience? Maybe his time has come?

[Kingsland Nick]

There's a hint on the OS that Barts will be in goal tomorrow, otherwise why showcase his patience? Maybe his time has come?

 

"I've had to bide my time because Kevin Davis has been brilliant."

 

 

Interesting, but it's probably just Bart's turn to be interviewed for the programme.

[Dalek2003]

He wasn't exactly blameless for the 2nd goal.

 

Peter Shilton is possibly the finest keeper this country has ever produced. He won 125 caps in an era in which English keepers were among the best in the world. He saw off competition from greats such as Banks, Clemence, Corrigan, Rimmer, Parkes and Bailey. He was a major reason why Forest won 2 league championships and 2 European Cups.

 

He didn't make many mistakes. That was one of the reasons he was so good. Have a good think and you won't recall many more mistakes from him.

 

Davis' errors are occurring too frequently and costing us goals.

 

 

Brian Clough stated that his Shilton was his most important appointment and that he started building his Championship side from this point onwards.

[saint simes]

That was then: this is now.

 

That may or may not be so, but the statement that he was a poor goalie at Championship is clearly not the case!

[Deppo]

I cannot believe that Adkins has kept Davis in the first team after everyone worked so hard on this thread.

[dune]

I cannot believe that Adkins has kept Davis in the first team after everyone worked so hard on this thread.

 

Maybe Adkins didn't read the thread. I'm guessing he has a life and doesn't spend all day on here like you.