Time to Drop Davis

[ulstersaint]

Davis is a good shot stopper but always reluctant to leave his line and command his area when crosses come in.

 

Tranmere got a goal because David did not come for a bouncing ball in his goal area. The P'boro 2nd goal was a long cross from deep on the left across the goal area and again Davis stayed on his line and it cost us a goal. Contrast the game v ManU when Bart came out and fisted clear. Time to give Bart a run in league games after good performances in the cup games.

Edited 6 February, 2011 by ulstersaint

[DT]

Davis is not up to it.

[Legod Third Coming]

Davis is a good shot stopper but always reluctant to leave his line and command his area when crosses come in.

 

Tranmere got a goal because David did not come for a bouncing ball in his goal area. The P'boro 2nd goal was a long cross from deep on the left across the goal area and again Davis stayed on his line and it cost us a goal. Contrast the game v ManU when Bart came out and fisted clear. Time to give Bart a run in league games after good performances in the cup games.

 

This is my feeling. Bart will come off his line more - maybe because he is younger and more malleable from a training perspective.

 

He is not a bad keeper as all our cup games proved - and he could hardly be considered at fault for either of United's goals...

 

So why not let him prove himself in the league? His kicking isn't great but the whole point is he shouldn't be kicking anyway - we should be WORKING the ball out from the back.

 

What's the point in having him if he's not given a chance when the usual goalkeeper is below par??

 

If you put him in for one game and he has a mare then so be it, at least we know. It's not like Kelvin has been on top form is it?

[Viking Warrior]

No it is not right to be baying for kelvins head. but you cannot help some fans looking for a scapegoat. kelvbin made some excellent stops yesterday to keep us in the game , he wasnt far away with saving their second penalty

Why is it some of you take pleasure in knowcking players?

 

Poor forte , I see some fans have put his head in the noose already.

[Legod Third Coming]

No it is not right to be baying for kelvins head. but you cannot help some fans looking for a scapegoat. kelvbin made some excellent stops yesterday to keep us in the game , he wasnt far away with saving their second penalty

Why is it some of you take pleasure in knowcking players?

 

Poor forte , I see some fans have put his head in the noose already.

 

Do you read any of the posts or only choose to reply to the nutters?

[Alain Perrin]

Anyone who claims he should have come for their second needs their head checking.

[Whitey Grandad]

Anyone who claims he should have come for their second needs their head checking.

 

Agreed, you can't fault him for that. Seaborne & especially Harding should have cleared it but their positioning was awful.

[L1Minus10]

Anyone who claims he should have come for their second needs their head checking.

 

Agree, but the first goal is absolutely abysmal from the keeper.

[rooney]

Bart is so much taller than Kelvin and that is why he will come off his line more. I hope he will have watched Van der Sar is this respect.

[OldNick]

The first goal was down to Seaborne, but KD should have done better. If you notice the ball doesnt bounce as it normally would . We should have been losing if it was not for KD's great save early on, do you think we would have got anything from the game had we gone 1 down?

To blame him for the 2nd Lol

[Viking Warrior]

I have read most of them le god

 

Im a fan who wheres my heart on my sleeve. I just get a tad annoyed when fans criticise different players week in week out. I bit of support might not go amiss occassionally. I do not just read the nutters I take a balanced view of all posts

 

Im still undecided by Bart. admitedly he needs a long run in the team to see if he can cut the mustard, when I have seen hm play

he gives me the jitters with some of his positioning and catching. It might be becuase he dosent know how the first team defensive positons . seems peterboro did on saturday hence the goals

[Dimond Geezer]

Shouldn't this thread be in the Muppet Show, it is a joke after all, & been done to death in 3 or 4 threads over the last few weeks.

 

Be careful what you wish for.

[Legod Third Coming]

I have read most of them le god

 

Im a fan who wheres my heart on my sleeve. I just get a tad annoyed when fans criticise different players week in week out. I bit of support might not go amiss occassionally. I do not just read the nutters I take a balanced view of all posts

 

Im still undecided by Bart. admitedly he needs a long run in the team to see if he can cut the mustard, when I have seen hm play

he gives me the jitters with some of his positioning and catching. It might be becuase he dosent know how the first team defensive positons . seems peterboro did on saturday hence the goals

 

There was a good quote from Martin Johnson on Saturday saying that a pat on the back isn't worth a great deal to help win the Six Nations and what they will do is to anayse all the weaknesses to put them right for the next game.

 

I'm with you, I don't like slating players, but we blow a lot of smoke up their arses when they win, they should be able to take a good critique when they don't. And I don't think any serious observer would say Kelvin's form this season is a patch on his form last season. Now maybe he was just at his peak last year? But a few times this season while not always wholly at fault, I am sure he has caused nervousness in the defence with his lack of command of the back four/five and box.

[Goalie66]

Anyone who claims he should have come for their second needs their head checking.

 

As an ex goalie I have to disagree. Anything in the six yard box should be the goalies. Davies is a good shop stopper but his major weakness is coming for crosses such as for that second goal. If a goalie commits to the cross then often the sight of a goalie coming can put a forward off. Even a slight deflection can prevent a header. Beaciuse it was a cross it would be easy for the keeper to push or punch the ball away from danger. Good keeping is about prevention as well as stopping and this year Davies is being exposed too often.

[Wade Garrett]

I'm an ex keeper as well, and for me Davis is making too many mistakes now. Would definitely give Bart a run now, behind a settled back four.

 

Seaborne was poor for the first, but it was plain for anyone who has played in goal, that Davis was at fault for not covering his near post. I would have liked to have seen him come for the cross as well. No reason why he couldn't have got it if he arced his movement and started early enough with 100% commitment. I'm sure he could have got something on it, instead of trying to stop it on the line on his heels.

 

He nearly got tackled with the ball at his feet in the first half as well. I'm sure Adkins, being an ex-keeper is on top of this.

[Benj]

As an ex goalie I have to disagree. Anything in the six yard box should be the goalies. Davies is a good shop stopper but his major weakness is coming for crosses such as for that second goal. If a goalie commits to the cross then often the sight of a goalie coming can put a forward off. Even a slight deflection can prevent a header. Beaciuse it was a cross it would be easy for the keeper to push or punch the ball away from danger. Good keeping is about prevention as well as stopping and this year Davies is being exposed too often.

He wouldn't have had a hope in hell of getting anywhere near that ball, especially in the wind. Why on Earth would you come for a risky ball like that when there's a defender with a simple header to knock it away at the back post. If he would have tried to come for that he would not have got it and you'd be slating him for not staying on his line when a ball is floated across in winds that strong and there's a defender with a fairly comfortable header to make underneath it.

[Window Cleaner]

Although in defence of Davis you'd have to say that the stop he made from Boyd's effort cancels out the one he didn't make from

Mackail Smith.If you invert those efforts few would have complained except that Boyd's effort was well struck and CMS's was a bit of a bobbler.

[saint1977]

Bit harsh to blame Kelvin - first one he could have done slightly better on but CMS's contact was slightly scuffy but well placed. I like Seaborne but that long ball should have been put in the stand. Second one was Harding - couldn't be bothered to cut out the cross which unfortunately for us was put it with pace and again our CBs were asleep. Look, Kelvin isn't in top form but we were turned as back 4 just as easily at Exeter, difference being they have O'Flynn up front not George Boyd or CMS. The full backs have been very poor as well in the last 2 games which has given Kelvin more to do than he should have had. Old Nick is right to highlight that early save.

[Wade Garrett]

Although in defence of Davis you'd have to say that the stop he made from Boyd's effort cancels out the one he didn't make from

Mackail Smith.If you invert those efforts few would have complained except that Boyd's effort was well struck and CMS's was a bit of a bobbler.

 

Saves don't cancel out errors in my book. Keepers are there to make saves.

[Alain Perrin]

As an ex goalie I have to disagree. Anything in the six yard box should be the goalies. Davies is a good shop stopper but his major weakness is coming for crosses such as for that second goal. If a goalie commits to the cross then often the sight of a goalie coming can put a forward off. Even a slight deflection can prevent a header. Beaciuse it was a cross it would be easy for the keeper to push or punch the ball away from danger. Good keeping is about prevention as well as stopping and this year Davies is being exposed too often.

 

As an ex-goalie (ie. I couldn't cut it outfield ) I have to disagree...

 

Going for what was a whipped in ball, curling away from the goal, on the edge of the 6yd box, at that pace, when you've got two defenders infront of you would have been suicide. He wouldn't have got to it unless he'd started jumping before the cross had been played.

 

Honest. Look at it on the highlights. It's the pace of the ball more than anything. Had he come for it, even with go go gadget boots he'd have missed it. That's not Davies, it's physics.

[Whitey Grandad]

Saves don't cancel out errors in my book. Keepers are there to make saves.

 

Correct. A 50% savings rate is not good enough, well not in this business.

[CanadaSaint]

One of the people whose opinion I value most on here is very critical of Davis and all for giving Bart a chance.

 

Normally I agree completely with what he posts, but not this time. Even though I have serious concerns about KD.

 

If we're going to remove a very experienced 'keeper who has served us well, and the club captain to boot, we'd better be pretty damn sure that it will result in an improvement. Too many people are saying that we should give Bart a chance more in hope than justifiable expectation. We can't afford that gamble.

 

Even after all the time he's spent with us he's still quite inexperienced because we haven't played him much, and it shows. There's a nervousness to his game and I still think he has a fragile psyche which could result not just in errors but in error chains.

 

And I'm still waiting for someone - anyone - to name some keepers who "dominate the box" by coming for crosses on a consistent basis. Very few 'keepers do any more, thanks largely to the livelier ball. Bart certainly doesn't.

 

For the rest of this season, at least, I'd prefer to stay with the devil we know, and I'd bet that our defence feels that way, too.

[Goalie66]

As an ex-goalie (ie. I couldn't cut it outfield ) I have to disagree...

 

Going for what was a whipped in ball, curling away from the goal, on the edge of the 6yd box, at that pace, when you've got two defenders infront of you would have been suicide. He wouldn't have got to it unless he'd started jumping before the cross had been played.

 

Honest. Look at it on the highlights. It's the pace of the ball more than anything. Had he come for it, even with go go gadget boots he'd have missed it. That's not Davies, it's physics.

 

It was not whipped in as you state.It was floated in from distance and it was still in the six yard box. Davies did not come for this or indeed does not come for most crosses where he might be under pressure. That is his major weakness as a goalie which he has repetaed repeatedly this season. Tranmere away being another example of hesitation in the six yard box. Mistakes are inevitable as a goalie and are more severely punished when they happen.However, hesitancy in your goalie unnerves the rest of the defense into errors that could be avoided.

Edited 7 February, 2011 by Goalie66

[Grassmole]

It was not whipped in as you state.It was floated in from distance and it was still in the six yard box. Davies did not come for this or indeed does not come for most crosses where he might be under pressure. That is his major weakness as a goalie which he has repetaed repeatedly this season. Tranmere away being another example of hesitation in the six yard box. Mistakes are inevitable as a goalie and are more severely punished when they happen.However, hesitancy in your goalie unnerves the rest of the defense into errors that could be avoided.

 

As a supposed ex-keeper who played at a high level it amazes me that you fail to mention the most important thing he should have done - yelled at the top of his voice that it was his ball and claimed it. KD is hopeless but you don't seem to know what your talking about son.

[Goalie66]

As a supposed ex-keeper who played at a high level it amazes me that you fail to mention the most important thing he should have done - yelled at the top of his voice that it was his ball and claimed it. KD is hopeless but you don't seem to know what your talking about son.

 

I agree he should have claimed it but he didn't. I would not assert that KD is useless anymore that belittle your opinion which you have done to mine.

[derry]

One of the people whose opinion I value most on here is very critical of Davis and all for giving Bart a chance.

 

Normally I agree completely with what he posts, but not this time. Even though I have serious concerns about KD.

 

If we're going to remove a very experienced 'keeper who has served us well, and the club captain to boot, we'd better be pretty damn sure that it will result in an improvement. Too many people are saying that we should give Bart a chance more in hope than justifiable expectation. We can't afford that gamble.

 

Even after all the time he's spent with us he's still quite inexperienced because we haven't played him much, and it shows. There's a nervousness to his game and I still think he has a fragile psyche which could result not just in errors but in error chains.

 

And I'm still waiting for someone - anyone - to name some keepers who "dominate the box" by coming for crosses on a consistent basis. Very few 'keepers do any more, thanks largely to the livelier ball. Bart certainly doesn't.

 

For the rest of this season, at least, I'd prefer to stay with the devil we know, and I'd bet that our defence feels that way, too.

 

Bill, I have seen most of the games that Bialkowski has played in the last two seasons and I think unless we bring in a better keeper than either of them, Bialkowski is the better all round keeper. John and I are in agreement and we both know what a dominating header of the ball he was, he absolutely hates the way Davis is anchored to his line, none of the Saints defenders are even remotely as good in the air as he was and as a goalkeeper who played behind him, you will understand that dominant as he was, you still had to back that up. Davis is making too many fatal mistakes and four of the last seven goals are down to him. We both think the defence looks much more comfortable with Bialkowski than Davis.

Every time the ball comes into our box his indecision and lack of judgement is causing us problems. He is also short for a goalkeeper which makes it difficult to deal with crosses.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Have to laugh at all the exkeepers having their say.

 

What about an exkeeper who played in the professional game and is now our Manager,together with the specialist goalkeeping coach (if we have onw) they know a bit more about it than us.If they think Bart is a better option, they'll put him in.

[CanadaSaint]

Bill, I have seen most of the games that Bialkowski has played in the last two seasons and I think unless we bring in a better keeper than either of them, Bialkowski is the better all round keeper. John and I are in agreement and we both know what a dominating header of the ball he was, he absolutely hates the way Davis is anchored to his line, none of the Saints defenders are even remotely as good in the air as he was and as a goalkeeper who played behind him, you will understand that dominant as he was, you still had to back that up. Davis is making too many fatal mistakes and four of the last seven goals are down to him. We both think the defence looks much more comfortable with Bialkowski than Davis.

Every time the ball comes into our box his indecision and lack of judgement is causing us problems. He is also short for a goalkeeper which makes it difficult to deal with crosses.

 

Dave, I fully respect all of that, and to have both of you "of the same mind" is very compelling. Not least, you're better placed to see than I am but I've seen quite a lot of both of them - including the U-21 World Cup out here, when Bart played for Poland.

 

I don't disagree at all with your assessment of Davis but I'm a long way from being convinced by Bart. As much as Davis is indecisive, Bart can be decisive but wrong, and I have huge reservations about his psyche. They're both weak on crosses but I've yet to hear from anyone about which modern 'keepers are consistently strong in that area.

 

I have too much respect for your and John's opinions to keep bleating on about this and I'm not going to post on this topic again, but I fear the consequences of putting the relatively inexperienced Bart into the teeth of a promotion push - all the more so because we have a nasty tendency to ball-watch at the back. That's why I hold the "better the devil you know" viewpoint.

 

One thing that we don't disagree on (I think) is that this is only going to be solved with the cheque book.

[Big Bad Bob]

It was not whipped in as you state.It was floated in from distance and it was still in the six yard box. Davies did not come for this or indeed does not come for most crosses where he might be under pressure. That is his major weakness as a goalie which he has repetaed repeatedly this season. Tranmere away being another example of hesitation in the six yard box. Mistakes are inevitable as a goalie and are more severely punished when they happen.However, hesitancy in your goalie unnerves the rest of the defense into errors that could be avoided.

 

Take a look at the higlights again old bean.

 

Ball crossed from near the touchline, takes 1.5-2secs before the attacker heads it, and then that was on the edge of the 6 yard box AND he had to jump to head it.

 

If you really think that KD could have come off of his line in time and punched it clear then you must believe in his SuperKD moniker.

 

If he HAD come off of his line and missed it he would have slated for that, better to blame the two defenders, who let CMS and whoever get between them to get an unchallenged header in.

 

Did you see the Chelsa v Liverpool match yesterday, who was at fault for the 'pool goal? Was it Czech's fault? And he came off of his line.....damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

BTW I did think he was at fault for the first, no matter how badly CMS hit the ball he just didn't seem to react until too late....

Edited 7 February, 2011 by Big Bad Bob

[Village Saint]

He wouldn't have had a hope in hell of getting anywhere near that ball, especially in the wind. Why on Earth would you come for a risky ball like that when there's a defender with a simple header to knock it away at the back post. If he would have tried to come for that he would not have got it and you'd be slating him for not staying on his line when a ball is floated across in winds that strong and there's a defender with a fairly comfortable header to make underneath it.

 

Clearly anyone who describes himself as a 'goalie' has never actually played in goal - well not since 1948 anyway. Not only would it have been ridiculous for Kelvin to come for that ball for the second goal but perhaps people need reminding that just 4 days previously his series of saves gained us 3 points at Exeter. Yes he did make a mistake for the first but all keepers make mistakes; even Shilts made mistakes. But overall its a percentage game and even though he is not in his finest form just at present Kelvin still simply makes less than any other keeper in Division One. Thats why Nigel stands by him.

[Wade Garrett]

Take a look at the higlights again old bean.

 

Ball crossed from near the touchline, takes 1.5-2secs before the attacker heads it, and then that was on the edge of the 6 yard box AND he had to jump to head it.

 

If you really think that KD could have come off of his line in time and punched it clear then you must believe in his SuperKD moniker.

 

If he HAD come off of his line and missed it he would have slated for that, better to blame the two defenders, who let CMS and whoever get between them to get an unchallenged header in.

 

Did you see the Chelsa v Liverpool match yesterday, who was at fault for the 'pool goal? Was it Czech's fault? And he came off of his line.....damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

BTW I did think he was at fault for the first, no matter how badly CMS hit the ball he just didn't seem to react until too late....

 

Cech was at fault because he came off his line and then stopped, fatal for a keeper. Once you decide to go you have to be 100% committed and go though anyone in your way. Cech has been a bottler ever since his head injury.

 

Davis stayed on his line and was caught a little flat-footed. Of course he should have come, even he is taller than most forwards when he's got his arms up. Even if he missed he might have got a foul, or at the very least, put the forward off.

[Goalie66]

Take a look at the higlights again old bean.

 

Ball crossed from near the touchline, takes 1.5-2secs before the attacker heads it, and then that was on the edge of the 6 yard box AND he had to jump to head it.

 

If you really think that KD could have come off of his line in time and punched it clear then you must believe in his SuperKD moniker.

 

If he HAD come off of his line and missed it he would have slated for that, better to blame the two defenders, who let CMS and whoever get between them to get an unchallenged header in.

 

Did you see the Chelsa v Liverpool match yesterday, who was at fault for the 'pool goal? Was it Czech's fault? And he came off of his line.....damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

BTW I did think he was at fault for the first, no matter how badly CMS hit the ball he just didn't seem to react until too late....

 

I just looked at the highlights again and it was floated from the touchline ten yards in from our penalty area. I timed it at about 3.5 seconds. Enough time to come if a you are positioned correctly and are looking to intercept crosses. The ball landed just to the right of the centre of the goal about six yards out. Davies was routed to his line. It does not take 3 seconds to move six yards even allowing for judgement and decision making time.No I did no see the Chelsea game. In any event I am not judging Davies on one error but a constant inability to come for crosses that was highlighted yesterday "ol bean" !!

[DT]

Clearly anyone who describes himself as a 'goalie' has never actually played in goal - well not since 1948 anyway. Not only would it have been ridiculous for Kelvin to come for that ball for the second goal but perhaps people need reminding that just 4 days previously his series of saves gained us 3 points at Exeter. Yes he did make a mistake for the first but all keepers make mistakes; even Shilts made mistakes. But overall its a percentage game and even though he is not in his finest form just at present Kelvin still simply makes less than any other keeper in Division One. Thats why Nigel stands by him.

 

It's not just the mistakes he makes that cost us goals directly (of which there are legion), but the nervousness he causes in the defence, the poor distribution, and overall disconnectness he imparts on that yawning gap between our back line and where he fears to tread. Any opposing manager worth his salt would (and I would argue they do) just look at a few previous games, witness that no man's land, and pump balls into it. Over 90 minutes, you will score. For me Davis is the reason we will not get promoted this year, because if we go to the play-offs I would not trust him to do all of the above. Bart is better, but a new, experienced (even old) keeper might be better still.

[Whitey Grandad]

It's not just the mistakes he makes that cost us goals directly (of which there are legion), but the nervousness he causes in the defence, the poor distribution, and overall disconnectness he imparts on that yawning gap between our back line and where he fears to tread. Any opposing manager worth his salt would (and I would argue they do) just look at a few previous games, witness that no man's land, and pump balls into it. Over 90 minutes, you will score. For me Davis is the reason we will not get promoted this year, because if we go to the play-offs I would not trust him to do all of the above. Bart is better, but a new, experienced (even old) keeper might be better still.

 

Nutshell

[Goalie66]

Clearly anyone who describes himself as a 'goalie' has never actually played in goal - well not since 1948 anyway.QUOTE]

 

for a professional club?School? Fun in the Park? My god some people make some crass assumptions

Edited 7 February, 2011 by Goalie66

[Grassmole]

It's not just the mistakes he makes that cost us goals directly (of which there are legion), but the nervousness he causes in the defence, the poor distribution, and overall disconnectness he imparts on that yawning gap between our back line and where he fears to tread. Any opposing manager worth his salt would (and I would argue they do) just look at a few previous games, witness that no man's land, and pump balls into it. Over 90 minutes, you will score. For me Davis is the reason we will not get promoted this year, because if we go to the play-offs I would not trust him to do all of the above. Bart is better, but a new, experienced (even old) keeper might be better still.

 

Agreed. Confidence in the keeper is paramount to a solid defence, which in turn gives the midfield confidence to push forward and support the attack. Look at Arsenal; they'll never win the league due to no confidence in their keepers. We suffer the same affliction.

I also agree about an experienced old head at the back. It would be great to get someone like Friedel in if we go up for next season. Doesn't look like he's getting a new contract at Villa so who knows? Of course, just a small matter of going up first. It will help if we had confidence in our GK, and its not their with old Kelvin.

[PokingFun]

All last season and this we have said on this forum that Kevin will not dominate his box. At this crucial time of the season chickens are still coming home I am afraid. 5 dodgy goals in three games is a dropable offence unfortunately. Seabourne was poor too.

 

Only dropable if we have a better keeper available. Bart is not as good as KD, about 6 previous managers suggest that so they cannot all be wrong surely?

[Alain Perrin]

I just looked at the highlights again and it was floated from the touchline ten yards in from our penalty area. I timed it at about 3.5 seconds.

 

Got to get me one of those watches. On Saints Player it was struck on 5.13 and in the back of the net by 5.15

 

Being generous I'll give you 2.5 seconds, no more. I think blaming KD is harsh for that.

 

Harding on the other hand was soundly beaten. Great going forward, sometimes suspect at the back.

[scott_saints]

I think Forecast should be our number 1.

 

Oh, and I'm an ex keeper.

[David Strover]

I too am an ex-keeper. I was **** though and have no clue what I am talking about....ever. About anything.

 

Mind you I did see Bart in his last too appearance fluff simple crosses - one he completely missed and was cleared off the the line t'other he missed and it hit the inside of the post.

 

Then people came on here and said they were hit with speed and venom. They weren't.

 

It seems that whatever camp the poster is in he puts on the goalie blinds.

 

If you speak to other team's supporters they always seem to say 'You're keeper is 'king great. Dodgy kicking but 'king great. I wish we had him'.

 

Versions of this have been said to me by Swindon, Leeds, Huddersfield and Charlton fans.

 

I would imagine some posters will say 'Well you haven't seen him play every week' and most fans on here haven't seen other teams goalies play every week either.

 

Watch the entire Football League Highlights. Everytime you'll see goals that result from goalies sticking to their line, misjudging shots or bounces, miscommunications with defenders, flapping hands and fumbles and you'll see great goals too. There is no goalie that dominates his penalty box anymore - none.

 

I watched Swindon Town versus Peterborough recently - ummm I think I'll stick to Kelvin thanks, and we haven't scored past that friggin' team yet!

Edited 7 February, 2011 by David Strover

[DT]

'Simple cross' - the one that looped over Bart from the right hand side of the pitch and came down off the bar? Riiiiight. Kelvin would have gobbled that one up, what with his extra stature and incredible spring. Yes, of course he would. And you talk of goalie blinds? I would like a goalkeeper that does the simple things right, and quietly, not one who occasionally pulls off 'worldies' and matches them with bloopers. Davis ain't that man.

[OldNick]

all the anti KD posters on here answer this question, if KD had not saved the 1 on 1 before we scored do you believe we would have got a point?

As in the game against Exeter a midfield run let them through on goal, i suppose that is Davis fault.

Some on here have said get Lee from Brentford, did you see him flapping away last night? Richard Wright doesnt make the first team and has been loaned out by Ipswich, he has made some real awful errors, but he is a super hero on here. He played well when he was with us, but he has been found wanting. Anti Niemi was probably our best keeper for a couple of decades and he rarely came off his line Shilts also (the ball has changed since those days) I remeber my childhood hero Pat jennings come out and take the ball one handed, but the ball was different and didnt move like it does now.

There is no way the second goal was down to KD.

[Whitey Grandad]

all the anti KD posters on here answer this question, if KD had not saved the 1 on 1 before we scored do you believe we would have got a point?

As in the game against Exeter a midfield run let them through on goal, i suppose that is Davis fault.

Some on here have said get Lee from Brentford, did you see him flapping away last night? Richard Wright doesnt make the first team and has been loaned out by Ipswich, he has made some real awful errors, but he is a super hero on here. He played well when he was with us, but he has been found wanting. Anti Niemi was probably our best keeper for a couple of decades and he rarely came off his line Shilts also (the ball has changed since those days) I remeber my childhood hero Pat jennings come out and take the ball one handed, but the ball was different and didnt move like it does now.

There is no way the second goal was down to KD.

 

He misjudged his charge out of goal and left Nardiello a wide open space to run into.

[yorkiesaint]

As an ex-goalie (ie. I couldn't cut it outfield ) I have to disagree...

 

Going for what was a whipped in ball, curling away from the goal, on the edge of the 6yd box, at that pace, when you've got two defenders infront of you would have been suicide. He wouldn't have got to it unless he'd started jumping before the cross had been played.

 

Honest. Look at it on the highlights. It's the pace of the ball more than anything. Had he come for it, even with go go gadget boots he'd have missed it. That's not Davies, it's physics.

 

As another ex-goalie, I would agree with this. It had too much pace and entered the 6 yard box late. kelvin was correct in my view to stay on his line. Also, note the defenders don't turn to him afterwards, they knew it was theirs to clear. The first goal, you could say it was seabournes fault, but not Davis as he was faced with a shot that could have gone either side of him. The blame here lies with the whole team, whose position was too high up the pitch, leaving posh's best man one on one with seabourne with no cover front or back.

 

Where Davis does lack is in distribution, but he is a good goalkeeper.

 

All IMO.

[OldNick]

He misjudged his charge out of goal and left Nardiello a wide open space to run into.

Lol i do hope you are joking.....then again

[hasper57saint]

Anyone thought what will happen if Kelvin gets injured? Who do we put in his place?

[derry]

Dave, I fully respect all of that, and to have both of you "of the same mind" is very compelling. Not least, you're better placed to see than I am but I've seen quite a lot of both of them - including the U-21 World Cup out here, when Bart played for Poland.

 

I don't disagree at all with your assessment of Davis but I'm a long way from being convinced by Bart. As much as Davis is indecisive, Bart can be decisive but wrong, and I have huge reservations about his psyche. They're both weak on crosses but I've yet to hear from anyone about which modern 'keepers are consistently strong in that area.

 

I have too much respect for your and John's opinions to keep bleating on about this and I'm not going to post on this topic again, but I fear the consequences of putting the relatively inexperienced Bart into the teeth of a promotion push - all the more so because we have a nasty tendency to ball-watch at the back. That's why I hold the "better the devil you know" viewpoint.

 

One thing that we don't disagree on (I think) is that this is only going to be solved with the cheque book.

 

I understand your reservations but in the here and now we have a problem with stoppable goals and Bialkowski may not be the answer, but he is an answer and has kept two clean sheets out of three and let two goal in against MU neither he could be blamed for, whilst last season he had a cracking six games and a loan period at Barnsley where he was outstanding. We certainly can't afford to let Davis have much more time the way we are leaking giveaway goals.

 

A lot of goalkeepers at our level catch/punch our corners and free kicks that are floated into the goal area which immediately ends the threat. Opponents put our defenders under enormous pressure because the ball is delivered between the six yd box and under the crossbar and only rarely does Davis react, which isn't good enough in my book. There is a massive difference between appropriate catching/punching and hardly at all. The very top keepers, Cech, Van de Sar, Reina totally dominate their goal area. I'm looking for where appropriate like Bialkowski, not almost never, like Davis. If our goalkeeper showed a competency and willingness to deal with problems in the goal area the delivery would have to be further out.

Edited 8 February, 2011 by derry

[OldNick]

I understand your reservations but in the here and now we have a problem with stoppable goals and Bialkowski may not be the answer, but he is an answer and has kept two clean sheets out of three and let two goal in against MU neither he could be blamed for, whilst last season he had a cracking six games and a loan period at Barnsley where he was outstanding. We certainly can't afford to let Davis have much more time the way we are leaking giveaway goals.

 

A lot of goalkeepers at our level catch/punch our corners and free kicks that are floated into the goal area which immediately ends the threat. Opponents put our defenders under enormous pressure because the ball is delivered between the six yd box and under the crossbar and only rarely does Davis react, which isn't good enough in my book. There is a massive difference between appropriate catching/punching and hardly at all. The very top keepers, Cech, Van de Sar, Reina totally dominate their goal area. I'm looking for where appropriate like Bialkowski, not almost never, like Davis. If our goalkeeper showed a competency and willingness to deal with problems in the goal area the delivery would have to be further out.

 

I respect your opinions but am surprised that you expect so much from a lower league goalkeeper. Did you watrch Brentfords Lee the other night? It was comical how he tried to come and punch, Cech likewise. Richard wright made so many errors he was dropped by Ipswich and now loaned out, the days of a keeper coming out and taking the ball time after time like the good old days are gone, as the attacking side know how to block the keepers as well as the ball moving in its flight. To me if you know the keeper is not coming surely the centre halves know they must go for the ball. I didnt see that you blamed KD for the 2nd goal and I suspect you agree he was not at fault for that one. I feel he could have done better for the first, but the ball did stay low and not bounce as would be normally expected. I would respect the decision for Bart to be played, but I do not have the same confidence. None of KD's detractors came back and answered my question, whether they believed we would have got a point if they had scored when their player was clean through. had we gone 1 down would we have got back into it? Nobody can answer it but i do believe we may have struggled

[Barry the Badger]

The very top keepers, Cech, Van de Sar, Reina totally dominate their goal area..

 

Yep..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKEYH66bMPM

[rooney]

Yep..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKEYH66bMPM

 

And Mark Schwarzer. Remember him at SMS when we were in the Premier League. He came out and caught every cross that was going.