Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Both things that happened back in the summer. Now 6-7 months ago. But yes, the PR policy is still in something of a hangover. Staying quiet though appears to be the way of things. (Not saying it's right..... before anyone jumps on me...) I'm not sure I understand your point. Both things? What both things? What difference does it make when it took place?
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure I understand your point. Both things? What both things? What difference does it make when it took place? The decision to revoke the season ticket installment plan and then the removal of Illingsworth's ability to buy the season ticket occured 6-7 months ago. My point is that there was silence at the time. Nicola Cortese has since admitted this is something he needs to learn from, yet the mistake then (and the remaining silence on things that clearly matter a lot to some people) has stuck in a lot of minds. The decision not to allow installment payment was made for good reason. 100 or so people were signing up to it (a very small percentage, but some nonetheless), obtaining the tickets and then cancelling direct debits and still having a useable ticket booklet. It was cancelled until something more watertight couldn't be implemented. This wasn't communicated at the time, very little warning was given. It was handled badly. The decision to revoke one fan's ticket has not been explained. Apparently not even to him and he doesn't know what he did wrong. (Gemmel, sorry, but that doesn't fly with me! Cynical sod I must be.) It could be cleared up with one communication from the club. This hasn't happened. This is in contravention of a charter that didn't exist in an up to date form until this PFO organisation investigated. So the upset is understandable.... especially as it is not unprecidented on things that have effected more people then that one. Edited 3 February, 2011 by Colinjb
Junction 9 Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Does anybody really care about this issue? Oh, nine pages. You must do.
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 In my opinion Yes, for two reasons.. 1. It wrong that he does it and it flies in the face of what the Trust should be i.e a democratic entity. 2. By using the title he can influence others who are unsuspecting of the truth by making them think Saints fans have influenced a given stance. I'm really surprised that you don't see what is so wrong about what he's doing. I'm surprised, that like many others, you are bringing in somewhat irrelevant issues in to this thread. If you (and others) want to start a thread on how much NI is a c*** and debate his many failings, then fell free. However, I'm unsure how the Silverspoons debacle and his perceived abuse of "power" fit in to this thread. If those individuals who feel ripped off at Silversppons want to have a pop at NI feel free, and if those who think his role at the Trust is wanting then feel free, but I find it hilarious that either of these issues could be considered as a justification for revoking his season ticket. That bloke whose coach I went on should be worried, as should Granty, Daren Wheeler etc who get quoted in The Echo. LOL
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 However, I'm unsure how the Silverspoons debacle and his perceived abuse of "power" fit in to this thread. If those individuals who feel ripped off at Silversppons want to have a pop at NI feel free, and if those who think his role at the Trust is wanting then feel free, but I find it hilarious that either of these issues could be considered as a justification for revoking his season ticket. Could the indirect association of the club with the event be a factor in the decision not to let him buy a season ticket? It may be laughable but it could indeed be something daft.... but it must be something! I'm not suggesting Illingsworth is a Mafia head... I'm saying that SOMETHING must have happened! I doubt we will ever know.
Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 But it's not what he says, it's the fact he's saying what he's saying using a title that no longer has any mandate. that might annoy you, and I think you have made a good point, but I doubt that is the reason why he has been prevented from getting a season ticket. I therefore question its relevance.
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I'm surprised, that like many others, you are bringing in somewhat irrelevant issues in to this thread. If you (and others) want to start a thread on how much NI is a c*** and debate his many failings, then fell free. It's not irrelevent and because of the very fact you are unable to justify his stance you have come out with this pathetic reply. What Nick is doing is exactly the same as the SISA lot have done for years. They puff their chests out and issue statements as fans leaders. Nick is doing exactly the same as them when all is said and done. And the fact you don't see what is so inherently wrong with this is disapointing.
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Could the indirect association of the club with the event be a factor in the decision not to let him buy a season ticket? It may be laughable but it could indeed be something daft.... but it must be something! I'm not suggesting Illingsworth is a Mafia head... I'm saying that SOMETHING must have happened! I doubt we will ever know. You would have to be a toal ignoramus to think that the Silverspooms debacle had any association (even indirect) with the Club. I bet the bloke who organised the JPT coach I went on has gone in to hiding!!!! If you see anyone in a Groucho Marx get up at SMS for the next match, I bet that's him.
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 It's not irrelevent and because of the very fact you are unable to justify his stance you have come out with this pathetic reply. What Nick is doing is exactly the same as the SISA lot have done for years. They puff their chests out and issue statements as fans leaders. Nick is doing exactly the same as them when all is said and done. And the fact you don't see what is so inherently wrong with this is disapointing. I think you may have missed the point. Your criticism of NI in this regard may well be valid (as might be the criticism of the Silverspoons debacle), but to try and link this to his season ticket being revoked is, how would you say, bonkers.
capitalsaint Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Nick's name was used because this thread is actually about Nick AND the club. If you read the thread you'll see one person has stated that Nick helped them when they felt they had a problem with the club. I never quoted you as saying eff you Nick, I said that you had said it in a polite way but I believe that the sentiment is there. I actually said that Nick might say that but I suspect he'd help you. What if it did affect you? What if it was you? Of course one man cannot sway the club, or another single person for that matter but I feel that there are enough voices raising a question about the whole thing and, in an effort to try and at least appear reasonable, the club would contact Nick to try and resolve the issue. As I previously stated, should that happen and Nick made no more of a comment apart from 'The club and I have resolved our differences' then we would realise that the club and Nick may have learned a valuable lesson. Supporting the team and club is not a one way affair and it does not place either party, fans or club, above question. Why should Nick not be able to have the same choice as you or I regarding match tickets? The club should, at the least, have told him why then, maybe, he might have understood and took it on the chin? i see your point, i apologise.
Dr Who? Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I think I speak for everybody on here when I say we're all sick of Nick Illingsworth making statements that he claims are representative of Saints fans. Whoosh.... that one went over everyones head bar one it seems? Very good! Now I do not know if I should agree with you or not!! lol
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I think you may have missed the point. Your criticism of NI in this regard may well be valid (as might be the criticism of the Silverspoons debacle), but to try and link this to his season ticket being revoked is, how would you say, bonkers. I've already explained why it could be linked and i'm not going to explain it again.
Gemmel Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 A charter that didn't exist for this season until it was highlighted by this case, so at least it had some direct benefit. Many thanks for the pleasantries by the way. I am fully aware that some of what I am saying is unpalatable, we would hate this to happen to ourselves but there must be a reason and you do not get stung by the hornets nest unless you provoke it. Thank heavens the art of polite conversation isn't dead. We wonder why the forum is losing popularity.... Honestly couldn't care less. Maybe the question of why is relevant. But that it's that Illingsworth character removes any sympathy I could have held. +1 He can f**k off. Good work Nicola in refusing him a season ticket. This is your pleasantries in the first five minutes of this thread. As for what your saying being unpalatable, it has nothing to do with whether NI has or hasn't done anything to warrant this, it is the way he has been treated and the the club breaking its own charter (And exposing a breach in FA rules at the same time, so we'll just have to wait and see what the penalty is for that, but that's a different story) by refusing to tell him why. We don't need an explanation, I wouldnt give a flying fook if i never read about this again, but as a life long fan - home and away, he deserves an explanation ...End of. You have tried, convicted and sentanced him without having a ******* clue about the situation (Neither do I by the way) or even knowing the bloke and just very disappointed to watch Saints fans turn on one of their own, when the fact that the Clu broke their own charter means it's not even up for debate whether they are wrong or not. And just to bore you to death a little more; I used to cringe when Chorley and his croanies got on their soap box, but ultimatley they were doing what they thought best for the club. I didn't agree with any of it, but at least they got off their arse and did something about it, whilst we sat here typing ******. I don't agree with alot of NI's thoughts and comments over the years and that's fine, that's whats footballs about, but to laugh and say your glad and he can **** off that he cant get a season ticket, without having one shred of knowlegde, is very strange (Plenty of other words I could have used there)
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 You would have to be a toal ignoramus to think that the Silverspooms debacle had any association (even indirect) with the Club. It was an event held specifically for the club's fans. It would be a daft thing to hang over someone's head as it was organised privately. Yet it was disasterous and upset a few people.... who knows who all those people may have been.
Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Does anybody really care about this issue? Oh, nine pages. You must do. yes absolutely. I felt strongly about the issue of the removal of the ST payment without any notice and posted at length on here. The Echo don't contact me as they do Nick, but if they did then I'd of expressed those same views to them and it might now be me that has had sanctions placed on buying a ST. I got my first in 1985 and renewed through thin and thin, so I'd be bloody fuming if I was treated as NI looks as though he has been. Quite frankly I'm amazed at his restraint. As I posted earlier it depresses me the lack of sympathy from fellow fans.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) This is your pleasantries in the first five minutes of this thread. As for what your saying being unpalatable, it has nothing to do with whether NI has or hasn't done anything to warrant this, it is the way he has been treated and the the club breaking its own charter (And exposing a breach in FA rules at the same time, so we'll just have to wait and see what the penalty is for that, but that's a different story) by refusing to tell him why. We don't need an explanation, I wouldnt give a flying fook if i never read about this again, but as a life long fan - home and away, he deserves an explanation ...End of. You have tried, convicted and sentanced him without having a ******* clue about the situation (Neither do I by the way) or even knowing the bloke and just very disappointed to watch Saints fans turn on one of their own, when the fact that the Clu broke their own charter means it's not even up for debate whether they are wrong or not. And just to bore you to death a little more; I used to cringe when Chorley and his croanies got on their soap box, but ultimatley they were doing what they thought best for the club. I didn't agree with any of it, but at least they got off their arse and did something about it, whilst we sat here typing ******. I don't agree with alot of NI's thoughts and comments over the years and that's fine, that's whats footballs about, but to laugh and say your glad and he can **** off that he cant get a season ticket, without having one shred of knowlegde, is very strange (Plenty of other words I could have used there) I do not like the guy. That is clear, I reacted badly instinctively to something without giving it consideration. I have played devils advocate for a point of view that's unpalatable to you, I can understand why, we would not like to be denied the ability to buy a season ticket. You do not agree with some of Illingsworths comments in OUR name over the years, neither do I... This feeling has obviously polarised myself more then you. Yet oddly, after consideration we both agree on one thing. The club do need to clarify why this has happened.... because we both want to know why! Edited 3 February, 2011 by Colinjb
Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 It's not irrelevent and because of the very fact you are unable to justify his stance you have come out with this pathetic reply. What Nick is doing is exactly the same as the SISA lot have done for years. They puff their chests out and issue statements as fans leaders. Nick is doing exactly the same as them when all is said and done. And the fact you don't see what is so inherently wrong with this is disapointing. so are you suggesting the `speaking on behalf others' is the reason for the ST removal? If the answer is no then your point IS irrelevant.
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 who knows who all those people may have been. Call it a lucky guess, but I reckon they well have been his fellow Saints fans. Of all the wild guesses about why his ticket has been revoked, I have to say his "abuse of power" and "undemocratic" actions as Chairman of the Saints Trust or his role in the Silverspoons debacle have to be the two wildest. If either of them turn out to be the justification then (a) I'm a banana, and (b) Cortese really has lost the plot on this one.
Dellman Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Nine pages! I can't believe it, I use this forum to get news about the team I support not these rants and as for the Club's pledge to fans I understand that was to get the club on a debt free footing and earn promotion NC is doing fine in my book
rocknrollman no2 Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 yes absolutely. I felt strongly about the issue of the removal of the ST payment without any notice and posted at length on here. The Echo don't contact me as they do Nick, but if they did then I'd of expressed those same views to them and it might now be me that has had sanctions placed on buying a ST. I got my first in 1985 and renewed through thin and thin, so I'd be bloody fuming if I was treated as NI looks as though he has been. Quite frankly I'm amazed at his restraint. As I posted earlier it depresses me the lack of sympathy from fellow fans. Good post Chez.
Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Yet oddly, after consideration we both agree on one thing. The club do need to clarify why this has happened.... because we both want to know why!fair play to you for putting you dislike of the guy to one side to see the club have failed to act correctly in terms of giving an explanation.
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 so are you suggesting the `speaking on behalf others' is the reason for the ST removal? If the answer is no then your point IS irrelevant. The answer is that it is a strong possibility. The cumulative effect on Nicks "opinions" using the title "Chairman of the Saints Trust" (which carries a lot more weight than just Nicks personal views) can be very influential and potentially damaging. Nicola Cortese was, imo, completely justified in taking the stance he did if he felt the same as i do about this.
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 SISA today V The Saints Trust today - what's the difference?
Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) Nine pages! I can't believe it, I use this forum to get news about the team I support not these rants and as for the Club's pledge to fans I understand that was to get the club on a debt free footing and earn promotion NC is doing fine in my book go and find a thread more to your liking then. Edited 3 February, 2011 by Chez
Chez Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 The answer is that it is a strong possibility. The cumulative effect on Nicks "opinions" using the title "Chairman of the Saints Trust" (which carries a lot more weight than just Nicks personal views) can be very influential and potentially damaging. Nicola Cortese was, imo, completely justified in taking the stance he did if he felt the same as i do about this. so you are saying that Cortese knows the Saints Trust has all but dissolved? Boy he's clued up especially seeing as regular posters on here still haven't a clue what the status is to that fans group. Tell me another.
rocknrollman no2 Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 The answer is that it is a strong possibility. The cumulative effect on Nicks "opinions" using the title "Chairman of the Saints Trust" (which carries a lot more weight than just Nicks personal views) can be very influential and potentially damaging. Nicola Cortese was, imo, completely justified in taking the stance he did if he felt the same as i do about this. So if i say i dont like Cortese and i am the spokesman of the "New Forest Saints Fan club",im not allowed a ST?
littleoldladysaint Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I have been following this thread, on and off all evening, with great interest, wondering when someone would ask the obvious question - assuming that there is no valid reason for NI's season ticket to be withheld, then there must be a motive! What has NC/SFC got to gain by taking this stance? Why would they seemingly out of the blue take this action - there must be something behind it. Many posters seem to put it down to pettiness/an act of spite on NC's part. Personally, I don't buy this. NC is far too clinical/prefessional in his approach to sink to that level. He thinks carefully before he acts, therfore I think that there must be a reason that he finds sufficiently compelling for him to take this action! I cannot see him talking publicly about this, he has never responded to the incidents involving MLT and Franny Benali - thats just the way he works, never discussing this sort of thing openly. Of course its possible that this IFO ruling will force his hand. If it does, I'm pretty sure that he will give a good account of himself!
Deppo Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Does anybody really care about this issue? Oh, nine pages. You must do. I care. Maybe not to the tune of 9 pages. I probably care about enough for 4 pages. Maybe 3.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I have been following this thread, on and off all evening, with great interest, wondering when someone would ask the obvious question - assuming that there is no valid reason for NI's season ticket to be withheld, then there must be a motive! What has NC/SFC got to gain by taking this stance? Why would they seemingly out of the blue take this action - there must be something behind it. Many posters seem to put it down to pettiness/an act of spite on NC's part. Personally, I don't buy this. NC is far too clinical/prefessional in his approach to sink to that level. He thinks carefully before he acts, therfore I think that there must be a reason that he finds sufficiently compelling for him to take this action! I cannot see him talking publicly about this, he has never responded to the incidents involving MLT and Franny Benali - thats just the way he works, never discussing this sort of thing openly. Of course its possible that this IFO ruling will force his hand. If it does, I'm pretty sure that he will give a good account of himself! An excellent point well made. I totally agree.
Guan 2.0 Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Why will Nick Illinsgworth not comment on this forum? Has he been denied access here too?
Deppo Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Is Kadeem Hardison still banned from the main board on this site? I seem to recall the site owners never giving him a reason despite numerous requests for one in the Lounge and Muppet Show? Can somebody confirm this?
JRM Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 yes absolutely. I felt strongly about the issue of the removal of the ST payment without any notice and posted at length on here. The Echo don't contact me as they do Nick, but if they did then I'd of expressed those same views to them and it might now be me that has had sanctions placed on buying a ST. I got my first in 1985 and renewed through thin and thin, so I'd be bloody fuming if I was treated as NI looks as though he has been. Quite frankly I'm amazed at his restraint. As I posted earlier it depresses me the lack of sympathy from fellow fans. Spot on mate that is exactly how I feel, this Colin chap sounds like a strange jealous person bordering on obsessive, clearly spends to much time getting angry on the internet. Nick is saints through and through, seen him at loads of away games this season.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) Spot on mate that is exactly how I feel, this Colin chap sounds like a strange jealous person bordering on obsessive, clearly spends to much time getting angry on the internet. Nick is saints through and through, seen him at loads of away games this season. You are entitled to your opinion on me JRM. Regardless of how wrong it may be. This argument is entitled to both sides, littleoldladysaint outlined my perspective (removing my dislike of the the guy) extremely well. Why do I dislike him? Anyone who offers a misrepresentation of what he claims to represent (The Saints Trust being representative of the fanbase is such a fallacy - but that is a topic for another thread) will be on the end of my contempt. Nontheless, we do need to know why this has happened. Beyond my dislike for him he is a fan and has had something many of us hold dear withheld. We would all hate being in that position. Edited 3 February, 2011 by Colinjb
Deppo Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Is Kadeem Hardison still banned from the main board on this site? I seem to recall the site owners never giving him a reason despite numerous requests for one in the Lounge and Muppet Show? Can somebody confirm this? It's ok, I've found these threads: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26028-The-Kadeem-Hardison-viewing-the-mainboard-thread http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?20039-Kadeem-Hardison Baj even posted on the second thread there, but not to respond to Kadeem's requests. Interesting stuff.
Deppo Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Same goes for Atticus Finch of Maycomb. Numerous requests for reasons: no response from the site owners. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26027-The-Atticus-Finch-viewing-the-mainboard-thread
trousers Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 I have been following this thread, on and off all evening, with great interest, wondering when someone would ask the obvious question - assuming that there is no valid reason for NI's season ticket to be withheld, then there must be a motive! What has NC/SFC got to gain by taking this stance? Why would they seemingly out of the blue take this action - there must be something behind it. Many posters seem to put it down to pettiness/an act of spite on NC's part. Personally, I don't buy this. NC is far too clinical/prefessional in his approach to sink to that level. He thinks carefully before he acts, therfore I think that there must be a reason that he finds sufficiently compelling for him to take this action! I cannot see him talking publicly about this, he has never responded to the incidents involving MLT and Franny Benali - thats just the way he works, never discussing this sort of thing openly. Of course its possible that this IFO ruling will force his hand. If it does, I'm pretty sure that he will give a good account of himself! Thought provoking post IMHO
trousers Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 Same goes for Atticus Finch of Maycomb. Numerous requests for reasons: no response from the site owners. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?26027-The-Atticus-Finch-viewing-the-mainboard-thread Good luck with your reasonable request to get a reason for not getting a reason...
The Cat Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 Part of journalistic training is to label people. This is even more prevalent in tabloid newspapers like the Echo. Therefore when writing this article the journalist, or sub-editor will label Nick Illingsworth as "Saints Trust Chairman". The Echo don't care if the Trust only has 12 members or whatever, it exists. That's enough because the casual reader won't know or possibly even care about the finer details of their current membership. The Echo are hardly on chummy terms with the club and are quite happy to write negative articles about them. Therefore presenting Nick as a Trust Chairman gives the story more gravitas than if it was about Joe Bloggs from the Chapel Stand. If the Trust didn't exist then the Echo would probably label him as Editor of the Ugly Inside Website. I doubt Nick's banging on at them down the phone to make sure they print he's the Saints Trust Chairman, they'll put it whether he likes it or not. Unlike most clubs, Saints don't have a large supporters group. I'd hazard a guess that if you discount the Trust, the next largest would be London Saints. When a story that affects supporters arises, the Echo will want quotes from a fans representative. All local papers do the same. Until someone else who represents supporters comes forward (I haven't noticed them going to SISA for quotes recently) it will be Nick they contact. Maybe the Echo could hunt out a new supporter to quote, but I doubt they could be bothered. In theory it could be a number of people, yet no one except SISA seems to want the job. They are hardly going to start quoting random fans at length. Nick is recognisable to many local supporters, and especially to those fans who go to pretty much every match. He's always there and people rightly respect that. Most fans who attend that many games live in or around Southampton, which is where the Echo sells it's newspapers.
Liquidshokk Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 I dont know too much about this guy and only heard bits and pieces lately but could it all just be about cortese not liking people trying to represent the club?; He has mentioned before about people trying to hang onto a link with the club after they came in and he prob sees him and his comments as unnecessary under the new setup. We also know that cortese is protective over the saints brand as he's kicked up a fuss about use of saints badges, photos etc before and nicks actions probably don't comply with this. Just a thought.
hamster Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 ... Nick is a passionate bloke, loves footie, cares enough to stand up for what he believes - I respect that.... So does my grandson and I respect him too for that. Even my grandson though does not speak for me so i'll be buggered if Nick Illingsworth speaks for me either. Met him once, loked him. This is not a personal attacl ny me just stating my position re him being self proclaimed. Even if that is down to the papares I would persoanlly disrance myself from them, maybe it's just me. Seems a bit petty after all last season they gave a lifetime season ticket to a baby born in the car park. A bloody GIRL at that!!!
BadgerBadger Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 It's all about a shot across the bows of someone that says he's the voice of supporters. He's not that by a million miles, Echo saying 'supporters chief' is a case in point. He's fac all to me and has spent too many years being that to most of us, club may have been a little ham fisted over their misson but hopefully the end result will rid us of this frigging muppet.
hamster Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 One thing is for sure and that is that this thread would be twice the length if the club had respondede. I know who's response I find the more dignified. Having said that I do not blame any person for being peed off at being shunned by anyone, I am 100% behind any man for not taking it lieing down. I would , personally, be mortigied if they did this to me.
SaintBobby Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 Does anybody really care about this issue? Oh, nine pages. You must do. Yeah. I care. There's some pretty good evidence that the club has acted like a bunch of a**eholes. Nick Illingsworth himslef may be an a**ehole. Whether he is or not seems to be a matter of great fascination for many of us. Certainly, after the Silverspoons debacle, my own impression is that he is probably incompetent, is incapable of delivering on his promises and is not a man to be trusted ever again. But I don't much care if NI is an a**ehole. I am certainly not intending to have any sort of business or personal relationship with him again. Ever. And I'd advise any other sensible Saints fan (or indeed human being) to follow the same course. Put as much distant between yourself and Illingsworth as you reasonably can, without getting too paranoid about it. And certainly don't send any money in his direction. In contrast, I am intending to have an ongoing relationship with Southampton Football Club. And I am intending to give Southampton Football Club a large chunk of my cash in months and years to come. I care passionately about Southampton Football Club. Nick Illingsworth isn't even worth ignoring in comparison. Consequently, if Illingsworth scores, say, 9 on the a**ehole scale and SFC score, say, 5 for their treatment of him, I'm still more worried by the 5. It's not a "who is the biggest a**ehole"?" issue. It's whether you're worried about the behaviour of the club. I am.
BadgerBadger Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 I'm not too worried about the behaviour of the club - if you stick your head above the parapet expect it to be shot off. That said I very much enjoyed your eloquent disparaging of the said NI and your info only adds weight to the clubs mission to put the goon back in his box
brmbrm Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 I have been following this thread, on and off all evening, with great interest, wondering when someone would ask the obvious question - assuming that there is no valid reason for NI's season ticket to be withheld, then there must be a motive! What has NC/SFC got to gain by taking this stance? Why would they seemingly out of the blue take this action - there must be something behind it. Many posters seem to put it down to pettiness/an act of spite on NC's part. Personally, I don't buy this. NC is far too clinical/prefessional in his approach to sink to that level. He thinks carefully before he acts, therfore I think that there must be a reason that he finds sufficiently compelling for him to take this action! I cannot see him talking publicly about this, he has never responded to the incidents involving MLT and Franny Benali - thats just the way he works, never discussing this sort of thing openly. Of course its possible that this IFO ruling will force his hand. If it does, I'm pretty sure that he will give a good account of himself! That doesn't hold - hell he has form for petty, childish behaviour: photographer ban, statements to the media/SFC web site about FA cup ticket prices (against Cheltenham? Shrewsbury? Can't remember)
brmbrm Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 How about some polls: Do you like NI? Yes/no/don't know Should we (i.e. SFC) ban gingers? Yes/no/don't know Should we (i.e. SFC) ban women? Yes/don't know/women go to the footy????? etc etc
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 Again Anyone here able to tell us all what the hell the saints trust is these days that warrants being used to gain any shred of credibility to any opinion??? Why can't people answer this?
dubai_phil Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 (edited) That doesn't hold - hell he has form for petty, childish behaviour: photographer ban, statements to the media/SFC web site about FA cup ticket prices (against Cheltenham? Shrewsbury? Can't remember) Just a moment. Let's take a step back on this. You make an unrelated (to this thread) statement here - "petty childish behaviour" relating to the photographer ban No it was not. It was decision made for a reason AT THE TIME by "The Football Club". Your post is invalidated because you have not used the IMHO comment. The ban on photographers was an Incorrect decision, BUT the club made it for what THEY (ie NC) thought were valid reasons. HINDSIGHT has shown it to have been a pretty stupid decision to have made and one that I do not fully understand because I don't know WHY it was made. My opinion on that issue is that it was a wrong decision, bordering on stupid, and that the club entered into discussions and changed their decision. BUT they did NOT make a public statement about WHY the decision was made at the time. Again, despite 9 pages of OPINIONS and speculation we have a similar situation. The Club has made a decision for reasons that THEY believe are valid and have decided to continue to be consistent by NOT giving a reason. The club haven't given a detailaed public statement or reason why AP was sacked, they haven't (actually) made a public statement on a great number of decisions that have been debated on here. They didn't give a reason for signing N'Guessan & Forte, for deciding to delay Staplewood or even detail how the Liebherr family will continue to support the club. There are many deep and meaningful and TBH IMHO far more important decisions that haven't been explained. The CLUB believe THEY have a reason for not saying anything. We don't know what it is. The ONLY thing we know from the short history is that the club appear NEVER to explain their decisions. It is tough on Nick, it MAY well be hugely unfair, both sides in the argument are putting forward valid "arguments" but nobody has answered the question and IMHO unless Nick takes the club to court, he will NOT get an answer. But, you know what? One thing here is good news. Tough on one guy in this instance, but at least the Club IS being consistent. Oh, and one other thing we have learnt. About the only way this will be answered - someone is going to have to ask NC to his face at one of those ST Dinner evenings. That seems to be the only way to get detalied answers - off the record and face to face. I like consistency, it makes a change. Edited 4 February, 2011 by dubai_phil
JustMike Posted 4 February, 2011 Posted 4 February, 2011 anyone actually thought that there must have been a reason for the refusal to sell one to him, a breach of terms and conditions perhaps.
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