Sour Mash Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Some of these comments are actually quite alarming. Are you seriously suggesting that publicly criticising actions of the football club should be considered reasonable contributing factors in restricting someone's ability to support the club? Yep, that's what he's saying. What a fantastic attitude to have.
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 NI courts publicity always has and always will. yes he is a fan but he is being economical with the truth as to why he has been turned down for a season ticket. That's quite the accusation without divulging any facts to back it up...
jam Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 (edited) Edited Edited 3 February, 2011 by jam my question to Viking is no longer relevant
Viking Warrior Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Thats a typo steve should read is he being economical with the truth
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Maybe it's my memory, or just getting confused. I seem to recall someone who was critical of the club having the 'not even a season ticket holder' line trotted out against them. Thought it was someone to do with the trust. Ah, yes, I do remember that. I think that was Brian Bennett, can't remember exactly what was said, but the response from Jim Hone (I believe) was basically "don't care what you think, you're not even a season ticket holder". He wasn't banned, refused entry to a game, or anything like that though. Just a childish putdown via a club statement. Interestingly, the club is using the same PR advisor as it did in the Hone/Hoos era...
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Thats a typo steve should read is he being economical with the truth If he was, why would he go to the Football League and IFO? Surely they would discover that he was talking ******** and tell him where to go?
Viking Warrior Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I have corrected the previous post , it wasnt an accusation just a question , I was just too quick on the key board
saint_stevo Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why is this being trotted out now, more than halfway through the season.......?
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why is this being trotted out now, more than halfway through the season.......? I assume the IFO have only just delivered their verdict, and that Nick didn't approach them straight away in July.
Viking Warrior Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I cant answer this Steve "If he was, why would he go to the Football League and IFO? Surely they would discover that he was talking ******** and tell him where to go?" but there are folk who will move heaven and earth to get their gripe accepted. NI and others have had a grudge against saints for a number of years . sometimes I would have thought it was time to leave the past behind instead of looking for new opportunities to have a pop at the club. I don't have aproblem with NI as I have previously stated its just he comes across as being the voice of the fans.. I would rather have hm as a spoken than tow of his former comrades
Sour Mash Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why is this being trotted out now, more than halfway through the season.......? It was debated at the start of the season, the IFO have just released their verdict now. I'd never even heard of them before today, but looking at other cases on their site, they seem to take close to a year for a lot of their stuff, like a lot of these sort of bodies/cases, not the quickest in the world.
jam Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why is this being trotted out now, more than halfway through the season.......? Because the IFO has just published their adjudication on NI's complaint.
jam Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I cant answer this Steve "If he was, why would he go to the Football League and IFO? Surely they would discover that he was talking ******** and tell him where to go?" but there are folk who will move heaven and earth to get their gripe accepted. NI and others have had a grudge against saints for a number of years . sometimes I would have thought it was time to leave the past behind instead of looking for new opportunities to have a pop at the club. I don't have aproblem with NI as I have previously stated its just he comes across as being the voice of the fans.. I would rather have hm as a spoken than tow of his former comrades Do you not think this is a bit far fetched? I mean, holding a season ticket for years is hardly the way to stick it to the club, surely?
jam Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Ah, yes, I do remember that. I think that was Brian Bennett, can't remember exactly what was said, but the response from Jim Hone (I believe) was basically "don't care what you think, you're not even a season ticket holder". He wasn't banned, refused entry to a game, or anything like that though. Just a childish putdown via a club statement. Interestingly, the club is using the same PR advisor as it did in the Hone/Hoos era... Cheers, Steve - My bad.
Chorlton Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 - Selling un-official gear on the back of the clubs trip to Wembley to make some money for himself. This Happens all over the Country people selling unofficial Merchandise - His negative remarks about the owners when they came in mmm Nick sorted out the Welcome Markus flag - His previous comments about the old regime and how he supported them. I think you will find that he only backedd Lowe when there was no other option at the time other than the club going under. - The Saints party at Silverspoons, which a lot of people think he made money from. Ok have to agree this was very poor but judging by the clientel leaving the place when we arrived its safe to say it was not all his fault. - The Sing for Saints thing, what happened to that money? Saints fans slagging the event off saying money was going to the players when it was not. No profit was made due to lack of support. - His comments in the press about the payment plans i.e lack of them. I think alot of people where left in the lurch after this decision by the club.
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 NI and others have had a grudge against saints for a number of years You genuinely believe that someone would spend what must have been a bloody fortune for 30-odd years on something he holds a grudge against? Apologies if I can't find the logic in that.
jam Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 You genuinely believe that someone would spend what must have been a bloody fortune for 30-odd years on something he holds a grudge against? Apologies if I can't find the logic in that. Glenn Close syndrome?
Viking Warrior Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Come on Steve take a rational view point on what I am saying You miss the point about NI . I do not have a problem with him he is a fan and yes he has held a season ticket for many moons but he sided with SISA and nailed his colours agaist the club ( management etc) If I remember correctly he was one of those that had the campaign about getting fellow fans not to buy season tickets. He has made negative comments against the club in the passed. i do not know why he was not allowed to purchase a season ticket. I am aware of the alleged debacle re silver spoons etc at the final last year but not the total facts so will not comment. He must have ****ed off the club on more than one occassion for them to refuse him a season ticket. Perhaps you can send me an PM on what has or has not happened as you seem very supportive of NI. I was present when chorley and co had a go at rupert at the DELL one evening .NI intervened to stop RC getting into anymore trouble when he was escorted out of the boardroom.
Sour Mash Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Come on Steve take a rational view point on what I am saying You miss the point about NI . I do not have a problem with him he is a fan and yes he has held a season ticket for many moons but he sided with SISA and nailed his colours agaist the club ( management etc) If I remember correctly he was one of those that had the campaign about getting fellow fans not to buy season tickets. He has made negative comments against the club in the passed. i do not know why he was not allowed to purchase a season ticket. I am aware of the alleged debacle re silver spoons etc at the final last year but not the total facts so will not comment. He must have ****ed off the club on more than one occassion for them to refuse him a season ticket. Perhaps you can send me an PM on what has or has not happened as you seem very supportive of NI. I was present when chorley and co had a go at rupert at the DELL one evening .NI intervened to stop RC getting into anymore trouble when he was escorted out of the boardroom. Right, let me explain this very carefully to you. Criticising the directors/management of a football club is not "being against the club". It is wanting the club to do well and believing that those making decisions for the club are making mistakes or have motives that are not in the interest of the club. The "management" is not the club. The "board of directors" or CEO" is not the club.
70's Mike Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Come on Steve take a rational view point on what I am saying You miss the point about NI . I do not have a problem with him he is a fan and yes he has held a season ticket for many moons but he sided with SISA and nailed his colours agaist the club ( management etc) If I remember correctly he was one of those that had the campaign about getting fellow fans not to buy season tickets. He has made negative comments against the club in the passed. i do not know why he was not allowed to purchase a season ticket. I am aware of the alleged debacle re silver spoons etc at the final last year but not the total facts so will not comment. He must have ****ed off the club on more than one occassion for them to refuse him a season ticket. Perhaps you can send me an PM on what has or has not happened as you seem very supportive of NI. I was present when chorley and co had a go at rupert at the DELL one evening .NI intervened to stop RC getting into anymore trouble when he was escorted out of the boardroom. If all of us who had a moan about previous regimes were banned then the 14k who stood up against Lowe at the Ipswich game would have all been banned. As far as I am aware Nick has not really had much of a pop at the current ownership.
JackFrost Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Not that I'm aware of. I know Richard Chorley was banned from St Mary's for a while, although can't remember what that was for. Wasn't that for when he threw those coins at Lowe?
Gemmel Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Come on Steve take a rational view point on what I am saying You miss the point about NI . I do not have a problem with him he is a fan and yes he has held a season ticket for many moons but he sided with SISA and nailed his colours agaist the club ( management etc) If I remember correctly he was one of those that had the campaign about getting fellow fans not to buy season tickets. He has made negative comments against the club in the passed. i do not know why he was not allowed to purchase a season ticket. I am aware of the alleged debacle re silver spoons etc at the final last year but not the total facts so will not comment. He must have ****ed off the club on more than one occassion for them to refuse him a season ticket. Perhaps you can send me an PM on what has or has not happened as you seem very supportive of NI. I was present when chorley and co had a go at rupert at the DELL one evening .NI intervened to stop RC getting into anymore trouble when he was escorted out of the boardroom. Against the SISU bid and thank fook he did (Not that the other shareholders would have gone for it) but that was long before Coretses time
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why do people let saints run their lives...? why do people need to speak to the press about the club..? why do people feel the need to know the inner workings of a football club..? why..?
Weston Saint Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Come on Steve take a rational view point on what I am saying You miss the point about NI . I do not have a problem with him he is a fan and yes he has held a season ticket for many moons but he sided with SISA and nailed his colours agaist the club ( management etc) If I remember correctly he was one of those that had the campaign about getting fellow fans not to buy season tickets. He has made negative comments against the club in the passed. i do not know why he was not allowed to purchase a season ticket. I am aware of the alleged debacle re silver spoons etc at the final last year but not the total facts so will not comment. He must have ****ed off the club on more than one occassion for them to refuse him a season ticket. Perhaps you can send me an PM on what has or has not happened as you seem very supportive of NI. I was present when chorley and co had a go at rupert at the DELL one evening .NI intervened to stop RC getting into anymore trouble when he was escorted out of the boardroom. Mike, I have spoken to Nick about the withdraw of Season Ticket purchase and he does not, even now, know why he has been refused that privilage. Whatever Nick's past he was very supportive of the new regime as it began to take power. He made all the right noises and quotes to the media supporting the Liebherr/Cortese purchase of the club from the Administrator. Yes he voiced opinion's on issues relating to withdrawal of season ticket instalment plans. All he was doing was voicing many season ticket holders concerns who felt that such withdrawal at short notice was a poor decision and precluded them from purchsing the same. Whether you like it or not the media do contact Nick and listen to him and his views. We do not know the reason. Nick approached the club on a number of occasions for a reason/explanation but they stayed silent. He followed the complaint procedure open to all supporters fearing that to do nothing might create a damaging precedent. The Ombudsman report is the result. As Saints have continued to refuse to answer the question, although being co-operative with the investigators in all other ways we have to come to an unsatisfactory conclusion that this is the club (Cortese) flexing his muscles. I am a great supporter of what Cortese is trying to achieve and am still positive he is the best person to continue to strengthen the business and by that our ambitions to return to the position of a great club we are all proud to support but he must be careful how he treats opposite views and have a transparency on such matters. Nick is not one of the "dark forces" Cortese sometimes refers to. Perhaps he thinks he is. That would explain his actions over the silence on the season ticket issue. Hopefully we can all move on. The report is out and if Saints continue to take a stand on the issue there is nothing Nick can do other than withdraw his support. That he will not do after so many years as a loyal supporter
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 He made all the right noises and quotes to the media supporting the Liebherr/Cortese purchase of the club from the Administrator. well, that was jolly decent of him..
St Marco Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Why not ban StuRomseySaint then, who ran two coaches to Wembley, and it would be fair to say he didn't pay for them out of his own pocket. Last time I checked, we live in a (relatively) free world where enterprise is encouraged.Sort of a bit different Steve. By that logic the club should ban anyone who offers anyone a lift to a game who gives the driver petrol money! Bit silly don't you think? Selling merchandise does happen everywhere else. But you cannot spin it that a company would not be ****ed off by someone doing that at Wembley? Especially someone like Cortese who is a strict businessman! What "negative remarks"? I can't remember anyone (other than perhaps Tony Lynam) being in any way disappointed with the takeover Did he not come out in the press saying they should now come out and explain the plans they have for the club? If you just paid £15m or however much it was to save a club and you saw that in the press you could take it as a bit of an insult no? So what? Football club supporter in "supporting the football club" shocker. Then what is the fuss about? If he is going to the games then whats the problem? Don't know. Have you asked him? Was there actually any money raised from it at all? It didn't seem particularly well-supported at the time. I haven't no. I wasen't there. Just as you were not there. But i have yet to see any glowing praise for the event, i guess you have? Comments that have been echoed by hundreds of other people? IIRC, there were quotes from numerous people in the Echo when the ST details were released. But if he paid by credit card then why make the comments? It was proven to be a tiny % of fans that use that method and it was proven that a lot of them do so to get a ticket then cancel the payments. Which would exploit the system right? But that is another debate for a different thread. The point is if he had bought a ticket, not using that system, then why go to the press and criticise the club over something he didn't even use? He had his ticket so did he need to do that? If the reason was a genuine one - and for all I know, there may be a genuine and appropriate reason - why would the club not at least tell Nick himself why he has not been allowed to buy a season ticket this season? It would seem as though he (and others) have asked on numerous occasions, otherwise he wouldn't have seen fit to get the Football League and IFO involved Have no idea. As i mentioned before he deserves to know the reason why. Seems the right thing to do doesn't it. The difference is though you talk about freedom of speech. Does everytime he want to say something does he have to do it via the media? Being someone who also knows about the media i am sure you agree that if someone keeps using it to technically raise issues about a company that company will not be feeling the love towards that guy? I understand your friends, your part of the trust and so on. I respect that you would defend him. But freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to say what you want to the press. Time for the guy to do what Chorley did and just vanish from the publics eye. Be a fan not a representation of a fan group which even you have to admit now is irelivent. I honestly hope Cortese gives him his reason. Even if it is to just say it's because he thinks he's a *****! Because then we will stop having these stupid news articles in The Echo every month or so when he feels he has something to say. Which on the contrary to what you say always seem to be slightly negative about the club don't they? . Time to move on...
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Yes he voiced opinion's on issues relating to withdrawal of season ticket instalment plans. All he was doing was voicing many season ticket holders concerns who felt that such withdrawal at short notice was a poor decision and precluded them from purchsing the same. Whether you like it or not the media do contact Nick and listen to him and his views. It wasn't the fact he voiced concerns that's the issue, it's the fact he used the title "Saints Trust Chairman" implying he was speaking on behalf of his minions.
aintforever Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 This thread is just going round in circles.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 It wasn't the fact he voiced concerns that's the issue, it's the fact he used the title "Saints Trust Chairman" implying he was speaking on behalf of his minions. This, he willing perpetuates the myth that he actually represents something other then just his own opinion. If the club started randomly withdrawing season tickets from people who kept themselves to themselves I would worry. But him? Nah.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 This thread is just going round in circles. Yes, it is somewhat. Just like the same thread when this first broke.
Weston Saint Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 It wasn't the fact he voiced concerns that's the issue, it's the fact he used the title "Saints Trust Chairman" implying he was speaking on behalf of his minions.What has that got to do with his season ticket ban? You and some others are using this thread to voice your prejudice against Nick but missing the real issue which is a long standing supporter was refused a season ticket without a fair explanation.
aintforever Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 It wasn't the fact he voiced concerns that's the issue, it's the fact he used the title "Saints Trust Chairman" implying he was speaking on behalf of his minions. I think you will find the media call him "Saints Trust Chairman" because he is the Saints Trust Chairman, not exactly his fault. The media do it because it sounds better than "we're here at St Mary's talking to some ugly bloke".
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 I think you will find the media call him "Saints Trust Chairman" because he is the Saints Trust Chairman, not exactly his fault. The media do it because it sounds better than "we're here at St Mary's talking to some ugly bloke". why does anyone want to keep talking to the media...i fail to see why...? why do people NEED to know the ins and outs of a football club..? why is it people like him have saints run so much of their lives..?
aintforever Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why does anyone want to keep talking to the media...i fail to see why...? why do people NEED to know the ins and outs of a football club..? why is it people like him have saints run so much of their lives..? Because they want to?
Weston Saint Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 why does anyone want to keep talking to the media...i fail to see why...? why do people NEED to know the ins and outs of a football club..? why is it people like him have saints run so much of their lives..?Why have you posted over 18,000 on a football message board!
Chorlton Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Do people REALLY get upset when he is called 'Voice of the Fans' or whatever? I know Nick doesn't speak for me, and I know that Nick doesn't claim to speak for me. It all gets a bit embarrasing when people get all upset & precious (and jealous?) that Nick is being interviewed. Some of the vitriol on here is unbelievable. Rather than call him names on here, why not contact him on his own site? I know that he will answer you and have a chat. Bit more acceptable than name calling. And doesn't someone from The Echo post on here? Couldn't they arrange for someone else to do interviews? I am sure there would be lots of volunteers, and I know Nick would be more than happy for other people to speal to the media Though why anyone would want to be the voice of such a self centred, petty set of fans is another matter
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Come on Steve take a rational view point on what I am saying You miss the point about NI . I do not have a problem with him he is a fan and yes he has held a season ticket for many moons but he sided with SISA and nailed his colours agaist the club ( management etc) If I remember correctly he was one of those that had the campaign about getting fellow fans not to buy season tickets. He has made negative comments against the club in the passed. i do not know why he was not allowed to purchase a season ticket. I am aware of the alleged debacle re silver spoons etc at the final last year but not the total facts so will not comment. He must have ****ed off the club on more than one occassion for them to refuse him a season ticket. Perhaps you can send me an PM on what has or has not happened as you seem very supportive of NI. I was present when chorley and co had a go at rupert at the DELL one evening .NI intervened to stop RC getting into anymore trouble when he was escorted out of the boardroom. I've just worked out who you are. You posted a diatribe on Saintslist not too long ago slagging off various respected Saints fans and also this forum stating that "I don't post on there anymore and have no intention of returning". Assuming you see no reason to question the club's decision on this, would you therefore not question it if I just suddenly decided that I was going to revoke your subscription to the forum just because you said some nasty words (and unlike the others, didn't apologise for your bizarre and unwarranted outburst) and that if you wanted access, you'll have to pay £10 every time you want to post? I'm afraid it is you who miss the point about Nick, mainly on the basis that this whole situation is not (or at least should not be) about Nick Illingsworth as a "personality" (or however you want to describe him). It is about a genuine long-standing supporter of the club being refused a season ticket without even the common courtesy of being given a reason.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Do people REALLY get upset when he is called 'Voice of the Fans' or whatever? Yes, In the same way I would be upset if anyone misrepresented me. It's pretentious and damn right rude.
Gemmel Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 pretentious and damn right rude. That's enough about you Colin, please stick to the thread
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 That's enough about you Colin, please stick to the thread Quite right, back on track.
aintforever Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Do people REALLY get upset when he is called 'Voice of the Fans' or whatever? I know Nick doesn't speak for me, and I know that Nick doesn't claim to speak for me. It all gets a bit embarrasing when people get all upset & precious (and jealous?) that Nick is being interviewed. Some of the vitriol on here is unbelievable. Rather than call him names on here, why not contact him on his own site? I know that he will answer you and have a chat. Bit more acceptable than name calling. And doesn't someone from The Echo post on here? Couldn't they arrange for someone else to do interviews? I am sure there would be lots of volunteers, and I know Nick would be more than happy for other people to speal to the media Though why anyone would want to be the voice of such a self centred, petty set of fans is another matter I agree, it is pathetic. Whenever I have seen him quoted or on TV it is obviously just one bloke giving an opinion. Anyone who has a problem with that has issues IMO.
eurosaint Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Mike, I have spoken to Nick about the withdraw of Season Ticket purchase and he does not, even now, know why he has been refused that privilage. Whatever Nick's past he was very supportive of the new regime as it began to take power. He made all the right noises and quotes to the media supporting the Liebherr/Cortese purchase of the club from the Administrator. Yes he voiced opinion's on issues relating to withdrawal of season ticket instalment plans. All he was doing was voicing many season ticket holders concerns who felt that such withdrawal at short notice was a poor decision and precluded them from purchsing the same. Whether you like it or not the media do contact Nick and listen to him and his views. We do not know the reason. Nick approached the club on a number of occasions for a reason/explanation but they stayed silent. He followed the complaint procedure open to all supporters fearing that to do nothing might create a damaging precedent. The Ombudsman report is the result. As Saints have continued to refuse to answer the question, although being co-operative with the investigators in all other ways we have to come to an unsatisfactory conclusion that this is the club (Cortese) flexing his muscles. I am a great supporter of what Cortese is trying to achieve and am still positive he is the best person to continue to strengthen the business and by that our ambitions to return to the position of a great club we are all proud to support but he must be careful how he treats opposite views and have a transparency on such matters. Nick is not one of the "dark forces" Cortese sometimes refers to. Perhaps he thinks he is. That would explain his actions over the silence on the season ticket issue. Hopefully we can all move on. The report is out and if Saints continue to take a stand on the issue there is nothing Nick can do other than withdraw his support. That he will not do after so many years as a loyal supporter The voice of reason ! Hear, hear !
stevegrant Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 The difference is though you talk about freedom of speech. Does everytime he want to say something does he have to do it via the media? Nick hasn't raised this issue through the media at all. Read the Echo article again, not a single quote from Nick. When the issue was first raised back in the summer, Nick said nothing about it as he wanted to just get the issue sorted and saw no gain in potentially inflaming the situation. Given that his role within the various supporter organisations that have been around over the years has generally involved getting publicity for whatever projects, initiatives, etc those organisations are running, surely it would be a dereliction of those duties to NOT confer with the media? His involvement at that level and his long history of supporting the club is why the media turn to him first. They know that he's reliable and generally available whenever required. In the age of 24-hour news, that's a priceless commodity for the press. Being someone who also knows about the media i am sure you agree that if someone keeps using it to technically raise issues about a company that company will not be feeling the love towards that guy? I'd like to think that that company, faced with "continued" complaints about their service, would be rather more keen to engage with that customer to see how they could improve things. I understand your friends, your part of the trust and so on. I respect that you would defend him. But freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to say what you want to the press. Well technically it does, within the boundaries of the law. And for clarification, I'm not part of the Saints Trust and haven't been for at least three years (might even be four, I've lost count). Time for the guy to do what Chorley did and just vanish from the publics eye. Be a fan not a representation of a fan group which even you have to admit now is irelivent. No idea on the last part really, I've no idea what they're up to, although I would potentially counter that this sort of situation is EXACTLY why every club needs a strong supporters organisation. I honestly hope Cortese gives him his reason. Even if it is to just say it's because he thinks he's a *****! Because then we will stop having these stupid news articles in The Echo every month or so when he feels he has something to say. Which on the contrary to what you say always seem to be slightly negative about the club don't they? Not that I've noticed, to be honest, but then I don't buy the Echo anymore, mainly as I don't live in the area anymore and most of the content I'm interested in is available online. In the past, I've always found most of his comments are generally "within range" of what I think, occasionally there are some which I disagree with and there are some that I'm completely aligned with, but things are rarely black and white, and yet people seem determined to decide they're in one camp or the other on every single issue. As I said above, ignore the fact that this is Nick Illingsworth. If someone had written into the letters page of the Echo and ended up being quoted in an article (which happens occasionally, so I'm informed by people at the Echo), and their comments are negative towards something that has happened at the club, would you say they deserve a proper and timely explanation for whatever caused that grievance, or would they deserve to be denied the right to guarantee their own seat for every game, as they have done for the preceding 30-odd years?
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 What has that got to do with his season ticket ban? You and some others are using this thread to voice your prejudice against Nick but missing the real issue which is a long standing supporter was refused a season ticket without a fair explanation. Maybe everything, maybe nothing. It just wound me up how he gave his personal opinions weight by using the title of a defunct organisation. It's the same as the RC or PM speaking on behalf of the SISA. Nick could have easily corrected the Echo - anyone else would have. If was Nicola Cortese i'd have ****ed off to have some nobody lording his views as a fans leader when he was nothing of the sort.
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 SAINTS Trust chairman Nick Illingsworth has been “discriminated against and victimised” by the club, the Independent Football Ombudsman has found. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8830210.Saints__victimised__lifelong_fan_Nick/ Even in this latest article he's using his title like he's been made a life peer of The Saints Trust.
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 Even in this latest article he's using his title like he's been made a life peer of The Saints Trust. A defunct organisation chaired by a nobody. No wonder they treat 'The Saints Trust' with credibility.
dune Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 A defunct organisation chaired by a nobody. No wonder they treat 'The Saints Trust' with credibility. It makes it look like Nick is something special - a fans leader who speaks on behalf of his members. So when Nick gives his personal views anyone who isn't wise to the reality would assume Nick is saying what Saints Trust members want him to say. It's a fckin joke. He pulled this little trick when he was saying how we should all get behind Rupert Lowe when he came back. He is using a dead fans group to big up his ego and to make his views carry more weight than the views of Nick Illingsworth Chairman of ****all would. Seriously he's been doing this time and time again months and months after the Trust ceased to function as a democratic fans group. I bet in 10 years time he'll still be doing it just like Chorley and MacMillan still do all these years after Ian Branfoot.
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2011 Posted 3 February, 2011 As Wes tried to explain to you there could be lot's of reasons why. - Selling un-official gear on the back of the clubs trip to Wembley to make some money for himself. It's not illegal to sell the type of T-shirts NI/The Ugly Inside knocked out. No infringment of copyright etc. The Club don't (and shouldn't) have a monopoly on stuff like this. As I mentioned before the owner and members of the forerunner of this site did the very same thing in 2003. - His negative remarks about the owners when they came in I think that when they came in NI was actually very thankful for saving the Club. And if he had said a few negative things it would a massive over reaction to castigate someone for espousing their own opinion. - His previous comments about the old regime and how he supported them. Once again, how can you suggest that supporting a former regime is worthy of revoking his season ticket. - The Saints party at Silverspoons, which a lot of people think he made money from. Despite it being a farce (although I admit I never went), I can't see how this could be considered a valid enough reason. - The Sing for Saints thing, what happened to that money? As with the Silverspoon's debacle, how on earth could this justify the Club's actions, particularly when the initative was attempting to generate funds to keep the Club alive long enough for Markus and Cortese to buy the Club. - His comments in the press about the payment plans i.e lack of them. Once again are you suggesting that critcising the Club over a specific action (an action which many had a problem with, myself included) is enough to revoke a ST? I bet you there are countless others who have had that ability removed to. But of course it isn't a news story unless it is a "chief of the supporters" is it? If you could find just one supporter who has had his ST revoked and not told why then I would be most grateful.
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