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altoniansaints

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Am I missing something here? Why does an international in Cardiff affect our game in Plymouth? The only rationale I can see is that some 'fans' might not go to the game because they want to watch the international match on TV, but a) how many club fans are going to make that a priority over their own team's game? and b) most fans won't be home in time to watch a 3pm TV game anyway from a 12.30 ko, so it makes little difference moving it to then.

 

Maybe police are being drafted in from the west country to cardiff thus not leaving enough to police the saints game at the same time

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Papa Shango

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Am I missing something here? Why does an international in Cardiff affect our game in Plymouth? The only rationale I can see is that some 'fans' might not go to the game because they want to watch the international match on TV, but a) how many club fans are going to make that a priority over their own team's game? and b) most fans won't be home in time to watch a 3pm TV game anyway from a 12.30 ko, so it makes little difference moving it to then.

 

Agreed. I'm English but I can't stand the England team. Couldn't care less about that game. Early kick off is a bit annoying. All the more reason to get out of this crappy league asap so we don't have this problem again.

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Whitey Grandad

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Agreed. I'm English but I can't stand the England team. Couldn't care less about that game. Early kick off is a bit annoying. All the more reason to get out of this crappy league asap so we don't have this problem again.

 

True, but the Premier League has an awful lot of strange kick-off times.

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I was sat in a hospital here in Austria nursing a poorly child after surgery the day the news broke that the Micky Fialka / Pinnacle b*ll*cks had fallen apart. The effect of the two things together nearly crushed me.

 

I feel for Plymouth fans; anyone with nerve endings should. I am frankly astounded that some "football fans" would be happy to see the club of fellow fans die for the sake of a few measly points. I could scarcely believe it of North London Yobbo or Northern Monkey clubs, but I am disgusted that some of them are Saints fans considering the experience we had is still so raw.

 

Well said Alps. I would not wish to be promoted on the back of the demise of Plymouth Argyle FC. It would be a hollow promotion. Football means more to me than that. We should be supporting the Plymouth fans in this, and I truly wish them well.

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Charlie Wayman

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Would rather see them struggle and stay afloat then be gone, it would ruin football if any team from the 4 pro leagues went bust.

 

The logic in this statement is a bit errh! illogical.

 

At least 12 former Football League sides are now playing in the Conference but does anybody miss them? What's the difference, they have disappeared from sight for most fans - except their own of course - remember Luton, Newport County, Mansfield? Thought not. Plymouth Who?

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err, no they bloody dont....some of the pikiest I have seen infact..

 

Their fans are the same as at any other club. Men and women and their kids who grew up in the area or have associations to it and that is the important thing. If it was the quality of football we'd all support Barcelona. They are decent well meaning people. I had to film their protest for work today. Ok, it was a poor turnout, which probably reflects a general apathy in lower league football. Many of the sentiments were that football cannot exist just in the premier league.

 

Anyways, I don't know what you mean by Pikey. Just people. Was us just a year ago.

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Their fans are the same as at any other club. Men and women and their kids who grew up in the area or have associations to it and that is the important thing. If it was the quality of football we'd all support Barcelona. They are decent well meaning people. I had to film their protest for work today. Ok, it was a poor turnout, which probably reflects a general apathy in lower league football. Many of the sentiments were that football cannot exist just in the premier league.

 

Anyways, I don't know what you mean by Pikey. Just people. Was us just a year ago.

 

I live in plymouth and have for 11 years..it is one of the most 50s grey, pikey place I have ever been to in the UK....good night out though and it has a couple of good areas

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I live in plymouth and have for 11 years..it is one of the most 50s grey, pikey place I have ever been to in the UK....good night out though and it has a couple of good areas

 

Fair play, you have to live there and it's not an inspiring place, but that's your choice ultimately if you want to drive a submarine or whatever you do.

 

The fan's of the club are just as you or me, local football fans. Who, if anything should be applauded for not supporting Arsenal or Man United. If the club disappears (which is looking likely) it's a sad day.

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Well said Alps. I would not wish to be promoted on the back of the demise of Plymouth Argyle FC. It would be a hollow promotion. Football means more to me than that. We should be supporting the Plymouth fans in this, and I truly wish them well.

 

Ditto.

 

I 'd feel for fans of any proper club going through this, Plymouth and many before (Newport County,Aldershot for two), possibly even the skates, although that might be tinged with some slight amusement....

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Matthew Le God

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Well said Alps. I would not wish to be promoted on the back of the demise of Plymouth Argyle FC. It would be a hollow promotion.

 

I don't want them gone either. But it certainly wouldn't be a hollow promotion!

 

Plymouth beat Saints on the opening day of the season using players they couldn't afford and should have sold in the Summer and not spent £500k on a new pitch. If they did go bust, we'd just be voiding the game where in a way cheated Saints out of 3 points.

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I saw this. Doesn't affect one way or the other.

 

I've never liked them (second only to Pompey in my books) and I suppose it's not very sporting of me but I won't miss them, whatever happens.

 

Going bottom by some margin when they were above the relegation zone won't exactly fire their players up for their game against Brighton, will it? Are they due to play many other of our rivals still this season? May well affect us.

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Going bottom by some margin when they were above the relegation zone won't exactly fire their players up for their game against Brighton, will it? Are they due to play many other of our rivals still this season? May well affect us.

 

Tue 22 19:45 ABrighton FL1

Sat 26 15:00 HColchester FL1

March Tue 1 19:45 ALeyton Orient FL1

Sat 5 15:00 ASheffield Wed FL1

Tue 8 19:45 HSwindon Town FL1

Sat 12 15:00 AHartlepool FL1

Sat 19 15:00 HRochdale FL1

Sat 26 12:30 HSouthampton FL1

April Sat 2 15:00 ACarlisle FL1

Sat 9 15:00 HWalsall FL1

Sat 16 15:00 APeterborough FL1

Fri 22 15:00 ADagenham & R FL1

Mon 25 15:00 HMK Dons FL1

Sat 30 15:00 AExeter City FL1

May Sat 7 15:00 HLeyton Orient FL1

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Unlike many other teams in financial difficulty, there is a real chance Plymouth Argyle will be liquidated next week. Even the "safety net" of going into administration maybe unlikely due to a number of factors. Many Argyle fans think the away game to Brentford could be the last ever game for the Green Army. :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/9380064.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12309652

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12332438

 

If they are, then their results would be expunged from League One, the league would become a 44 game season rather than 46 and as things stand before tonights game vs Exeter it would in theory look how it does below...

 

                     Pl    GD     Pts

Brighton              24    23     46    
[b]Southampton           24    22     41[/b]
.......................................    
Bournemouth           25    16     40
Huddersfield          24    10     40
MK Dons               26    -1     40
Colchester            24     0     37
.......................................  
Peterborough          24     0     36
Sheff Weds            24     9     35
Rochdale              24     5     35
Exeter                25    -4     35
Carlisle              23    10     34
Charlton              22     4     34
Oldham                24    -2     34
Leyton Orient         24     2     32
Hartlepool            24    -9     31
Brentford             25    -5     29
Yeovil                25   -12     29
Notts County          22    -2     27
Tranmere              24    -9     27
Swindon               25   -10     27
.......................................  
Bristol Rovers        24   -18     27
Dag & Red             23   -14     21
Walsall               26   -17     20

 

your original post was 1st feb...what does the table look like today ?

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What happens if they're relegated anyway (even without the -10) does it not get carried over all the same. Plymouth are in desperate trouble anyway and could be relegated in any case.

 

Application before cutoff date - minus 10 this season.

Application after cutoff date - minus 10 this season IF they avoid relegation themselves. If they go down anyway (like we did), then it gets carried over to next season.

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I wouldnt want to be in second place on the back of a club going to the wall.

 

I remember much too clearly how I felt in the months before Markus came along and saved us.

 

Unlike some Argyle haven't cheated and lied their way through a mess so i hope they pull through.

 

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This

 

Thing is, apart from the blue few, I really would NOT want any fan to go through the horrors and emotional turmoil we had to cope with.

 

But, at the end of the day, the Board of the Football club spent more money than they had coming in to the club. That's very unfair on the fans, but until FIFA, UEFA & the FA/FL change the rules, they have made errors of judgement and spent money they did not have. So I feel extreme sympathy for their fans, but where were they marching when we protested about Lowe or when we questioned (or applauded) the crazy 7 million quid gamble on promtion back to the PL under Burley and the signing of Jason Euell to save us?

 

Sorry, the fans do not deserve this but their Leadership spent money they did not have and beat us with a team they could not afford. Sorry, feck 'em I'll take promotion on the back of their demise in a heartbeat BECAUSE THEY WOULD DO THE SAME IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED.

 

The planet is full of the Victims of Arrogance, we were and the Plymouth fans are. But this is Football and it is about where you finish in the League. Sure I will raise a glass to them and hope that they can get out of it - hell, I'll even give them the Dodgy Russkies from the Skates email address if they asked. But if we get promoted because they go bust - So be it, and I would happily join them in burning down the house or whatever they do of the idiots that spent too much (if I happen to be back that weekend of course & it wasn't deemed to be illegal or whatever)

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This will take a few weeks for this to resolve itself, todays Guardian is not very optimistic. However I can see a local White Knight (or consortum) coming in to support them for the rest of the season. Starting next season in League 2 though not much of an attraction for longer term investment and they will struggle for a few years.

 

"The notice of intention to appoint Brendan Guilfoyle as administrator does give Argyle 10 working days to complete the sale, since it legally prevents creditors such as HM Revenue & Customs – whose six-figure monthly PAYE demands cannot be serviced – from issuing a winding-up order. There may be the prospect of a request for a court order permitting a further 10 days' grace. That would give Argyle between a fortnight and four weeks to secure a takeover by one of three interested parties.

 

Yet, if it fails, Guilfoyle would face the troublesome task of raising the working capital required to permit the club to see out the season. One well-placed source said that would amount to between £2m and £3m and there is almost no prospect of that being generated from the club's own resources without the support of a white-knight investor. If Guilfoyle is called in, liquidation would logically ensue, making Argyle the first Football League club to succumb since Maidstone United in 1992 and throwing the League One competition into chaos."

 

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/21/plymouth-argyle-administration-points-deduction

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Going bottom by some margin when they were above the relegation zone won't exactly fire their players up for their game against Brighton, will it? Are they due to play many other of our rivals still this season? May well affect us.

 

I kind of disagree with this, they are going to be fighting for their lives to stay in the league, loads of games to be played yet and a few wins for them and they'll think they can get out of relegation. They are much more dangerous now than when they were just languishing around mid table mediocrity. I really wouldn't be surprised if they beat Brighton at the weekend.

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I kind of disagree with this, they are going to be fighting for their lives to stay in the league, loads of games to be played yet and a few wins for them and they'll think they can get out of relegation. They are much more dangerous now than when they were just languishing around mid table mediocrity. I really wouldn't be surprised if they beat Brighton at the weekend.

 

I would. They are playing them tonight !!!

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A sad day for football in the South West all round yesterday when combined with the death of Tony Kellow. Plymouth were doing okay as an NPC club although I never understood why their gates were hovering around 11k when Holloway was doing so well there when Shilton got 20k+ in a lower division in the mid-90s. Sturrock got them up from League 2 and by sad irony he wasted a lot of money to set the wheels in motion to send them back there. Good manager at League 2/League 1 level 1 possibly but not sure how he ended up with the Saints job. Shows you how lucky we were with Markus, could have ended up with Plymouth's mob instead.

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Unlike many other teams in financial difficulty, there is a real chance Plymouth Argyle will be liquidated next week. Even the "safety net" of going into administration maybe unlikely due to a number of factors. Many Argyle fans think the away game to Brentford could be the last ever game for the Green Army. :(

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/plymouth_argyle/9380064.stm

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12309652

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12332438

 

If they are, then their results would be expunged from League One, the league would become a 44 game season rather than 46 and as things stand before tonights game vs Exeter it would in theory look how it does below...

 

                     Pl    GD     Pts

Brighton              24    23     46    
[b]Southampton           24    22     41[/b]
.......................................    
Bournemouth           25    16     40
Huddersfield          24    10     40
MK Dons               26    -1     40
Colchester            24     0     37
.......................................  
Peterborough          24     0     36
Sheff Weds            24     9     35
Rochdale              24     5     35
Exeter                25    -4     35
Carlisle              23    10     34
Charlton              22     4     34
Oldham                24    -2     34
Leyton Orient         24     2     32
Hartlepool            24    -9     31
Brentford             25    -5     29
Yeovil                25   -12     29
Notts County          22    -2     27
Tranmere              24    -9     27
Swindon               25   -10     27
.......................................  
Bristol Rovers        24   -18     27
Dag & Red             23   -14     21
Walsall               26   -17     20

WHY THE HELL do ppl ALWAYS jump on this sort of post & then post all these scenarios .. What utter claptrap

 

they announced what they did yesterday to avert the HMRC action, but as such they may not even go into admin yet. It's a clever gamble really & the 10 points will be a hit they feel justifed IF they avoid the total debt & get an investor .. but as yet we dont know .. the answer is .. it's not worth looking at how it effects us ..

 

It's like this we have more away games crap ( because of the postponed games . actually I think you will find we will play the same amount of away games at season end as set out on the day fictures where released, just in a different order.

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WHY THE HELL do ppl ALWAYS jump on this sort of post & then post all these scenarios .. What utter claptrap

 

You do realise MLG made his post TWENTY ONE day ago?

 

Yeah? At the time there was a real chance PAFC could have gone into liquidation, bypassing administration. Have a look around the 'net and read up on it.

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